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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 18, 2019 14:30:59 GMT
Try having faith in our great country instead of wetting it. We just need to BELIEVE!!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 18, 2019 14:33:24 GMT
I see the usual suspects are at it again - Grieve, Letwin, Benn, Gauke, Clark have hi-jacked the Northern Ireland bill and turned it into an attempt to prevent prorogation of Parliament. Brexit: MPs debate fresh attempt to block autumn no-deal prorogation The vote should take place around 2.00pm. In theory David Gauke, the justice secretary, and Greg Clark, the business secretary, could be sacked for abstaining. If Tory MPs are being whipped to vote against the Benn amendment (as they are), an abstention counts as an act of dissent - although obviously it is not as serious as voting in favour. But, in practice, Number 10 is more likely to turn a blind eye - not least because, in private, Theresa May would probably not consider it the end of the world if MPs did vote for a mechanism to stop Boris Johnson proroguing parliament. Brexit: MPs debate fresh attempt to block autumn no-deal prorogatio link Amazing what they can do when they put their mind to it, isn't it? I can't begin to tell you how much I hate these bastards.
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 18, 2019 14:35:02 GMT
The EU is not perfect, but little is... Is that it? Laconic🙊
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 14:37:03 GMT
You see it is business AND we can afford to walk away and I think we will. All the rest of your post is fear you do not have the first clue what if any damage will result the same as me. Try having faith in our great country instead of wetting it. Anyone would think mad max is just around the corner it's funny. It isn't, like I said, it's international diplomacy. And no, we can't. You're right, I'm not certain at all. But the NHS has been stockpiling medicine. We have no plan for what to do with exports and imports for the day we leave. We have no trade routes open when we leave. We have no plan in place for small businesses (although Scotland has). We've lost several large businesses already. We have no Irish border plan. I don't like the EU at all, and I agree with leaving, but the clamour for no deal sounds like it's mostly people just going 'get it over with' rather than actually thinking. You see it's make believe we've being planning for no deal, 99% of small business don't export. The NHS is planning for no deal to avoid any issues 😁 when Stoke are two nil down afyer 39mins do you leave or stay? I guess you stay so try and have faith pal have some positively. You say leavers are this and that but remainers are scared and negative, I would use a quote from The Donald but I'm not racist 😁
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 14:38:28 GMT
It isn't, like I said, it's international diplomacy. And no, we can't. You're right, I'm not certain at all. But the NHS has been stockpiling medicine. We have no plan for what to do with exports and imports for the day we leave. We have no trade routes open when we leave. We have no plan in place for small businesses (although Scotland has). We've lost several large businesses already. We have no Irish border plan. I don't like the EU at all, and I agree with leaving, but the clamour for no deal sounds like it's mostly people just going 'get it over with' rather than actually thinking. You see it's make believe we've being planning for no deal, 99% of small business don't export. The NHS is planning for no deal to avoid any issues 😁 when Stoke are two nil down afyer 39mins do you leave or stay? I guess you stay so try and have faith pal have some positively. You say leavers are this and that but remainers are scared and negative, I would use a quote from The Donald but I'm not racist 😁 Okay. And no, I don't leave, but I certainly don't bet my house on them to win 8-2.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 14:38:44 GMT
We just need to BELIEVE!! Yep in a nut shell I'd rather that than wet me pants and run off scared.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 14:44:27 GMT
Yep in a nut shell I'd rather that than wet me pants and run off scared. What the hell does that even mean? It's not the playground.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 14:45:02 GMT
You see it's make believe we've being planning for no deal, 99% of small business don't export. The NHS is planning for no deal to avoid any issues 😁 when Stoke are two nil down afyer 39mins do you leave or stay? I guess you stay so try and have faith pal have some positively. You say leavers are this and that but remainers are scared and negative, I would use a quote from The Donald but I'm not racist 😁 Okay. And no, I don't leave, but I certainly don't bet my house on them to win 8-2. Neither do I but I have faith we'll pull it around even when it looks bleak.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 14:46:18 GMT
Yep in a nut shell I'd rather that than wet me pants and run off scared. What the hell does that even mean? It's not the playground. It not amaied at you so get get pissy, not my fault Dave can't quote right.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 14:50:07 GMT
Okay. And no, I don't leave, but I certainly don't bet my house on them to win 8-2. Neither do I but I have faith we'll pull it around even when it looks bleak. But it's not just 'having faith'. You're advocating us turning round from kick off, booting it in the net 5 times against Man City and then 'having faith' that we'll win 6-5?
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 14:58:11 GMT
Neither do I but I have faith we'll pull it around even when it looks bleak. But it's not just 'having faith'. You're advocating us turning round from kick off, booting it in the net 5 times against Man City and then 'having faith' that we'll win 6-5? You see now who's being silly the EU are not Man City far from it. You have to have faith ! Faith that the people in charge know what they are doing. I believe we'll be fine you have faith it will be a disaster. Trust is not a bad thing it just depends which side of the argument you're on. I'm not an idiot for believing and your not for having your thoughts we just disagree. When all said and done it's gonna happen whether you like it or not I just prefer to be positive unlike Dave who tries to ridicule I don't I'll have a laugh and poke fun but ultimately I'm a positive person not a bad thing.
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Post by Northy on Jul 18, 2019 15:08:20 GMT
IF we leave with no deal we do not pay at all. The £39 Billion is the divorce bill for an amicable deal, no deal no money. But we do lose out on trade with the EU, and all subsequent trade deals the EU has, immediately. but we gain on not giving the EU a share of the tariffs we currently take
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Post by Davef on Jul 18, 2019 15:11:02 GMT
But it's not just 'having faith'. You're advocating us turning round from kick off, booting it in the net 5 times against Man City and then 'having faith' that we'll win 6-5? You see now who's being silly the EU are not Man City far from it. You have to have faith ! Faith that the people in charge know what they are doing. I believe we'll be fine you have faith it will be a disaster. Trust is not a bad thing it just depends which side of the argument you're on. I'm not an idiot for believing and your not for having your thoughts we just disagree. When all said and done it's gonna happen whether you like it or not I just prefer to be positive unlike Dave who tries to ridicule I don't I'll have a laugh and poke fun but ultimately I'm a positive person not a bad thing. How can you have faith that the people in charge know what they are doing when they have proved demonstrably over the past three years that they haven't got a clue? The Tories are probably going to inflict a Prime Minister on us who thinks that we'll get an implementation period in the case of a no deal Brexit. He's as thick as pigshit and not fit for purpose.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 15:14:13 GMT
You see now who's being silly the EU are not Man City far from it. You have to have faith ! Faith that the people in charge know what they are doing. I believe we'll be fine you have faith it will be a disaster. Trust is not a bad thing it just depends which side of the argument you're on. I'm not an idiot for believing and your not for having your thoughts we just disagree. When all said and done it's gonna happen whether you like it or not I just prefer to be positive unlike Dave who tries to ridicule I don't I'll have a laugh and poke fun but ultimately I'm a positive person not a bad thing. How can you have faith that the people in charge know what they are doing when they have proved demonstrably over the past three years that they haven't got a clue? The Tories are probably going to inflict a Prime Minister on us who thinks that we'll get an implementation period in the case of a no deal Brexit. He's as thick as pigshit and not fit for purpose. Opinions hey! Edit: when did he say that regarding the implementation period missed that?
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 15:20:41 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 18, 2019 15:24:20 GMT
What the hell does that even mean? It's not the playground. It not amaied at you so get get pissy, not my fault Dave can't quote right. At least I can spell.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 15:25:17 GMT
It not amaied at you so get get pissy, not my fault Dave can't quote right. At least I can spell. I'm not that precious.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 18, 2019 15:37:36 GMT
But it's not just 'having faith'. You're advocating us turning round from kick off, booting it in the net 5 times against Man City and then 'having faith' that we'll win 6-5? You see now who's being silly the EU are not Man City far from it. You have to have faith ! Faith that the people in charge know what they are doing. I believe we'll be fine you have faith it will be a disaster. Trust is not a bad thing it just depends which side of the argument you're on. I'm not an idiot for believing and your not for having your thoughts we just disagree. When all said and done it's gonna happen whether you like it or not I just prefer to be positive unlike Dave who tries to ridicule I don't I'll have a laugh and poke fun but ultimately I'm a positive person not a bad thing. I prefer to go off facts and informed opinions rather than just closing my eyes and 'believing' or having 'faith', and the facts and informed opinions point towards Brexit, especially a no deal Brexit not being a good thing for the UK (or for Europe for that matter)
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Post by Northy on Jul 18, 2019 15:38:34 GMT
Just about every government department and business has planned and is ready for a no deal, it's only the remoaners and those on the EU gravy train that won't say it
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 15:40:24 GMT
You see now who's being silly the EU are not Man City far from it. You have to have faith ! Faith that the people in charge know what they are doing. I believe we'll be fine you have faith it will be a disaster. Trust is not a bad thing it just depends which side of the argument you're on. I'm not an idiot for believing and your not for having your thoughts we just disagree. When all said and done it's gonna happen whether you like it or not I just prefer to be positive unlike Dave who tries to ridicule I don't I'll have a laugh and poke fun but ultimately I'm a positive person not a bad thing. I prefer to go off facts and informed opinions rather than just closing my eyes and 'believing' or having 'faith', and the facts and informed opinions point towards Brexit, especially a no deal Brexit not being a good thing for the UK (or for Europe for that matter) Can you point me to the facts of no deal being bad for the UK. Not thoughts or opinions facts? Edit: Part two: informed opinions I assume you have faith and believe those opinions correct or once again point me to the facts backing those thoughts up!!
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Post by M on Jul 18, 2019 15:43:26 GMT
Not popped back on this thread for a while. Still going around in circles? Still pissing in the wind that no deal is ever slightly possible? Have the leavers accepted that 'Project Fear' was actually 'Project Fact'?
Come on now. It's easier to just accept the reality that Brexit either isn't going to happen or it's going to happen in a way that means we've effectively stayed...
Literally the only difference from the last two years is that the Tories are now looking unelectable for a generation which I'm taking a great result!
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Post by Davef on Jul 18, 2019 15:45:13 GMT
I think that highlights my point. Johnson assumes that with a no deal Brexit, an implementation or transition period will be agreed with the EU. His interview with Andrew Neill last week proves that he hasn't got much of a clue about how trade will work if we leave with no deal.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 15:55:02 GMT
I think that highlights my point. Johnson assumes that with a no deal Brexit, an implementation or transition period will be agreed with the EU. His interview with Andrew Neill last week proves that he hasn't got much of a clue about how trade will work if we leave with no deal. But Dave it could happen it's not 100% ruled out so his comment might not be as stupid as you suggest.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 18, 2019 15:55:31 GMT
It isn't, like I said, it's international diplomacy. And no, we can't. You're right, I'm not certain at all. But the NHS has been stockpiling medicine. We have no plan for what to do with exports and imports for the day we leave. We have no trade routes open when we leave. We have no plan in place for small businesses (although Scotland has). We've lost several large businesses already. We have no Irish border plan. I don't like the EU at all, and I agree with leaving, but the clamour for no deal sounds like it's mostly people just going 'get it over with' rather than actually thinking. You see it's make believe we've being planning for no deal, 99% of small business don't export. The NHS is planning for no deal to avoid any issues 😁 when Stoke are two nil down afyer 39mins do you leave or stay? I guess you stay so try and have faith pal have some positively. You say leavers are this and that but remainers are scared and negative, I would use a quote from The Donald but I'm not racist 😁 Maybe the Stoke fan's didn't believe enough last season. It's all our fault really.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 15:58:18 GMT
You see it's make believe we've being planning for no deal, 99% of small business don't export. The NHS is planning for no deal to avoid any issues 😁 when Stoke are two nil down afyer 39mins do you leave or stay? I guess you stay so try and have faith pal have some positively. You say leavers are this and that but remainers are scared and negative, I would use a quote from The Donald but I'm not racist 😁 Maybe the Stoke fan's didn't believe enough last season. It's all our fault really. And the point is......
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Post by thevoid on Jul 18, 2019 16:09:26 GMT
It not amaied at you so get get pissy, not my fault Dave can't quote right. At least I can spell. He's probably a proof-reader for The Guardian.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 18, 2019 16:12:42 GMT
He's probably a proof-reader for The Guardian. *proofreader.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 16:18:38 GMT
He's probably a proof-reader for The Guardian. *proofreader. Come on Dave still waiting for those facts you never know I might change my mind 😂
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Post by vokeswagen on Jul 18, 2019 16:23:32 GMT
He's probably a proof-reader for The Guardian. *proofreader.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 18, 2019 16:59:03 GMT
Come on Dave still waiting for those facts you never know I might change my mind 😂 Think you and I know that's very doubtful.
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