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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 21, 2022 15:12:27 GMT
I think part of the original plan was that Brexit would lower the pound so we could be cheap labour. Not necessarily the China/Bangladesh route but higher tech stuff - R&D, finance, specialist manufacturing etc.
Other countries want technical folk too though. In my work area Brexit froze things so a few workmates and I stayed out of the country for a bit. British pay has fallen behind and I'd have to suck up a 50-60% pay cut to move home. Three of us have stayed out and I know others who've left the UK for similar reasons. I'd rather live back home but tbh I was sick of having to live with 3 other people in a 2 bedroom terrace.
If we could keep or get scientists, engineers, coders, technicians etc in country then the UK could become a cheap exporter of know-how. Russia did well out of that for a bit.
The UK is still competitive to Indians, Pakistanis etc, so trying to bring more of their technical people could reinvigorate things.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 21, 2022 16:07:42 GMT
Remainers gotta remain, easyjet employs 13k in the UK, 11k of them are pilots / cabin crew so if you want to believe they had 8k applications I have some magic beans to sell you, perhaps they should have looked after staff better during the pandemic rather than trying to make 4500 people redundant now they just want cheap labour instead of paying the going rate.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 21, 2022 19:07:27 GMT
I think part of the original plan was that Brexit would lower the pound so we could be cheap labour. Not necessarily the China/Bangladesh route but higher tech stuff - R&D, finance, specialist manufacturing etc. Other countries want technical folk too though. In my work area Brexit froze things so a few workmates and I stayed out of the country for a bit. British pay has fallen behind and I'd have to suck up a 50-60% pay cut to move home. Three of us have stayed out and I know others who've left the UK for similar reasons. I'd rather live back home but tbh I was sick of having to live with 3 other people in a 2 bedroom terrace. If we could keep or get scientists, engineers, coders, technicians etc in country then the UK could become a cheap exporter of know-how. Russia did well out of that for a bit. The UK is still competitive to Indians, Pakistanis etc, so trying to bring more of their technical people could reinvigorate things. Not usually my Comic of choice but even the Express gets it (stopped clock and all that) on the Horizon Project, rather non participation therein www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/science/1620485/brexit-news-horizon-europe-uk-replacement-fund-scientists-leave-eu-ayming/amp
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 21, 2022 19:22:16 GMT
I think part of the original plan was that Brexit would lower the pound so we could be cheap labour. Not necessarily the China/Bangladesh route but higher tech stuff - R&D, finance, specialist manufacturing etc. Other countries want technical folk too though. In my work area Brexit froze things so a few workmates and I stayed out of the country for a bit. British pay has fallen behind and I'd have to suck up a 50-60% pay cut to move home. Three of us have stayed out and I know others who've left the UK for similar reasons. I'd rather live back home but tbh I was sick of having to live with 3 other people in a 2 bedroom terrace. If we could keep or get scientists, engineers, coders, technicians etc in country then the UK could become a cheap exporter of know-how. Russia did well out of that for a bit. The UK is still competitive to Indians, Pakistanis etc, so trying to bring more of their technical people could reinvigorate things. Not usually my Comic of choice but even the Express gets it (stopped clock and all that) on the Horizon Project, rather non participation therein www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/science/1620485/brexit-news-horizon-europe-uk-replacement-fund-scientists-leave-eu-ayming/ampThis affected my workmates and me. Right after the vote I was screwed by very few positions opening at my level. Literally overnight the job list on the email groups shrank massively. And most of them were short term because the managers didn't know if they'd keep getting funding in years 2,3,4... British science is still brilliant. It was sapped pretty hard by austerity but we punched hard for European money and won lots more than we put in. Our science is not doing well out of Brexit yet, but we have great unis to be hubs for new industry etc. A few billion/year more to the research councils and help to bring in more Indians, Russians, etc could be a way to exploit how Brexit made us cheaper. Top US, European etc scientists I've spoken to no longer consider Britain a place to aim for, outside of Oxbridge, so I think we have to be nimble and look for new talent.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 22, 2022 2:27:10 GMT
This affected my workmates and me. Right after the vote I was screwed by very few positions opening at my level. Literally overnight the job list on the email groups shrank massively. And most of them were short term because the managers didn't know if they'd keep getting funding in years 2,3,4... British science is still brilliant. It was sapped pretty hard by austerity but we punched hard for European money and won lots more than we put in. Our science is not doing well out of Brexit yet, but we have great unis to be hubs for new industry etc. A few billion/year more to the research councils and help to bring in more Indians, Russians, etc could be a way to exploit how Brexit made us cheaper. Top US, European etc scientists I've spoken to no longer consider Britain a place to aim for, outside of Oxbridge, so I think we have to be nimble and look for new talent. Some genuine questions which although I have followed the machinations I do not have the first hand knowledge to answer I think you will agree that UK has no possibility now of gaining Associate Membership of Horizon and can no longer afford to wait in Limbo. I detect you are optimistically bullish about Plan B. Do you think this can create the prestige around it to have the quality of peer review, the quality of the panels and the people involved in the short to medium term The soundings coming out regarding Plan B are that it will place emphasis on Innovation over Research do you think this is the right approach From other soundings it suggests Plan B may have more Top Down Government direction on areas and Countries of collaboration rather than academics identifying the fields.This sounds like a horrific prospect to me Big question, with economy fragile do you think Treasury will fully commit to funding You reference Oxbridge for good reason but many lesser Universities depend heavily on EU Funding for shall we say more fringe research do you think this will be any great loss under Plan B Already UK Researchers cannot lead Horizon projects but many researchers have also been informed of their ERC Grants have been withdrawn unless they associate with an EU institution Anecdotally quite a number particularly Foreign Researchers are upping sticks. Can this be arrested in the short term with replacement funding but without the collaboration Acknowledgement from Academia on both sides is that they are caught in a Mexican standoff which benefits no-one
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 22, 2022 7:18:35 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 22, 2022 10:21:48 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 22, 2022 16:31:32 GMT
Why are brexiteers not all over this thread discussing the retained EU law dashboard released today!? It’s the marquee brexit opportunities bill after all!? Certainly not just a waste of millions of taxpayers money and civil service resources!?
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 22, 2022 17:24:29 GMT
Why are brexiteers not all over this thread discussing the retained EU law dashboard released today!? It’s the marquee brexit opportunities bill after all!? Certainly not just a waste of millions of taxpayers money and civil service resources!? Why do Remoaners never stop moaning?
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Post by 4372 on Jun 22, 2022 17:31:17 GMT
I think that was the plan.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 22, 2022 17:53:28 GMT
New study by company owned by former best for britain chair an anti brexit organisation and he says brexit is bad you say knock me down with a feather.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 22, 2022 17:54:48 GMT
Why are brexiteers not all over this thread discussing the retained EU law dashboard released today!? It’s the marquee brexit opportunities bill after all!? Certainly not just a waste of millions of taxpayers money and civil service resources!? Why do Remoaners never stop moaning? Because Brexiters never come up with any tangible benefits with which to shut them up.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 22, 2022 18:10:12 GMT
Why do Remoaners never stop moaning? Because Brexiters never come up with any tangible benefits with which to shut them up. Leaving was a pretty good tangible benefit for me, not paying the £615m a week it would now cost us is a nice bonus too.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 22, 2022 18:25:27 GMT
I don't think so. If something doesn't work, renegotiate But the real answer is an independent, United Ireland, Seymour Brexit doesn't work for me full stop. But apparently I need to shut up and move on - which is what I'm trying to do. Unfortunately there are leavers who just want to keep the old debates going. If we want a debate about a united Ireland lets have it - out in the open - but not by proxy due to some shit (sorry 'Great Oven Ready",) deal Johnson signed disingenuously. I fully believe in a United Ireland with the queen as head of state next question
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 22, 2022 18:42:37 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Jun 22, 2022 18:59:54 GMT
New study by company owned by former best for britain chair an anti brexit organisation and he says brexit is bad you say knock me down with a feather. In your daily work and personal life do you also habitually tell blatant lies also? The Resolution Foundation was set up in 2005 long before Brexit with the aims of improving living standards for low to middle income earners funded by Clive Cowdrey a Businessman and Philanthropist It's current Chairman is Gavin Kelly former Deputy Cheif of Staff to David Cameron Nothing to do with Best for Britain
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 22, 2022 19:04:51 GMT
Brexit doesn't work for me full stop. But apparently I need to shut up and move on - which is what I'm trying to do. Unfortunately there are leavers who just want to keep the old debates going. If we want a debate about a united Ireland lets have it - out in the open - but not by proxy due to some shit (sorry 'Great Oven Ready",) deal Johnson signed disingenuously. I fully believe in a United Ireland with the queen as head of state next question I agree. And your choice of Graham Norton is an excellent one.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 22, 2022 19:08:31 GMT
Because Brexiters never come up with any tangible benefits with which to shut them up. Leaving was a pretty good tangible benefit for me, not paying the £615m a week it would now cost us is a nice bonus too. That's for you to decide. However if we're going to make any progress I sincerely hope some of your Brexiting campadres have significantly more ambition.
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Post by 828492 on Jun 22, 2022 19:44:24 GMT
Because Brexiters never come up with any tangible benefits with which to shut them up. Leaving was a pretty good tangible benefit for me, not paying the £615m a week it would now cost us is a nice bonus too. So, if by chance the UK was to rejoin the EU or the single market , what BREXIT BENEFIT would you miss most?
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 22, 2022 22:29:49 GMT
Leaving was a pretty good tangible benefit for me, not paying the £615m a week it would now cost us is a nice bonus too. So, if by chance the UK was to rejoin the EU or the single market , what BREXIT BENEFIT would you miss most? See previous answer.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 23, 2022 4:59:28 GMT
Leaving was a pretty good tangible benefit for me, not paying the £615m a week it would now cost us is a nice bonus too. So, if by chance the UK was to rejoin the EU or the single market , what BREXIT BENEFIT would you miss most? The pound We’d have to join the euro
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 23, 2022 6:56:38 GMT
Here’s one Brexit Bonus… although one that may surprise folk… Britain is now a high-immigration country and most are fine with thatNote this is from the FT of all places. Immigration is up. The number of people who are concerned about immigration is way down. How is this possible? The article makes this comment; The best explanation is that British views on immigration have always been far more than a simple numbers game. Research by the think-tank British Future has consistently found much stronger public support for an immigration policy that prioritises who is allowed in — regardless of the impact on overall numbers — than one that deters all comers.Sort of pisses on those rancid accusations of racism directed at people who voted to leave the EU. Anyway, good news I’m sure we’ll all agree.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 23, 2022 7:00:34 GMT
Why are brexiteers not all over this thread discussing the retained EU law dashboard released today!? It’s the marquee brexit opportunities bill after all!? Certainly not just a waste of millions of taxpayers money and civil service resources!? Why do Remoaners never stop moaning? I just love saying I told you so
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 23, 2022 7:08:16 GMT
New study by company owned by former best for britain chair an anti brexit organisation and he says brexit is bad you say knock me down with a feather. But every economic analysis of brexit is very negative. I know you will complain because at least one person working on the analysis will have voted remain, rendering the analysis invalid in your view. The financial reality is obvious to everyone who is not blinded by indoctrinated hatred of everything EU related
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 23, 2022 7:15:09 GMT
New study by company owned by former best for britain chair an anti brexit organisation and he says brexit is bad you say knock me down with a feather. In your daily work and personal life do you also habitually tell blatant lies also? The Resolution Foundation was set up in 2005 long before Brexit with the aims of improving living standards for low to middle income earners funded by Clive Cowdrey a Businessman and Philanthropist It's current Chairman is Gavin Kelly former Deputy Cheif of Staff to David Cameron Nothing to do with Best for Britain www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44331013.ampIt literally takes 30 seconds to google Cowdrey Best For Britain scroll down to the directors bit of the bbc. Kelly was a civil servant also deputy chief of staff to Brown so completely irrelevant. Quite odd to accuse people of lying when you clearly post such blatant untruths and half truths fella.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 23, 2022 7:51:23 GMT
New study by company owned by former best for britain chair an anti brexit organisation and he says brexit is bad you say knock me down with a feather. But every economic analysis of brexit is very negative. I know you will complain because at least one person working on the analysis will have voted remain, rendering the analysis invalid in your view. The financial reality is obvious to everyone who is not blinded by indoctrinated hatred of everything EU related It's not an analysis it's a forecast at best you would after 2 years of covid forecasting people might be a bit more questioning. This tweet kind of sums up the approach of the pro EU organisations, its a very Covid like approach.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 23, 2022 8:16:21 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 23, 2022 8:25:45 GMT
New study by company owned by former best for britain chair an anti brexit organisation and he says brexit is bad you say knock me down with a feather. But every economic analysis of brexit is very negative. I know you will complain because at least one person working on the analysis will have voted remain, rendering the analysis invalid in your view. The financial reality is obvious to everyone who is not blinded by indoctrinated hatred of everything EU related That is just not true. Every analysis is seriously flawed if you examine them properly and not just read the headline. Lord Frost said yesterday that any view that Brexit is damaging the UK economy “cannot be supported by any objective analysis of the figures” and I have examined them and he is correct.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 23, 2022 9:24:09 GMT
But every economic analysis of brexit is very negative. I know you will complain because at least one person working on the analysis will have voted remain, rendering the analysis invalid in your view. The financial reality is obvious to everyone who is not blinded by indoctrinated hatred of everything EU related That is just not true. Every analysis is seriously flawed if you examine them properly and not just read the headline. Lord Frost said yesterday that any view that Brexit is damaging the UK economy “cannot be supported by any objective analysis of the figures” and I have examined them and he is correct. Someone who is routinely pulled up for quoting misleading and often false information on here has looked at figures analysed by arch-Brexiteer and architect of the failing EU deal, Lord Frost, and decided that he's right. Well I never.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 23, 2022 9:28:30 GMT
Oh, the irony. Immigration was the primary vote winner according to most post referendum analyses (along with the bus bollocks - which probably goes some way to showing the validity of most of the immigration stuff that was said at the time. Millions of Romanians are coming. Do you want Romanians living next door, etc). And now it's fine again, which simply shows how easily weaponised it is as a topic. Not such a great reflection on our politicians nor public, in reality.
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