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Post by mrcoke on May 14, 2021 14:34:38 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on May 14, 2021 15:10:45 GMT
Interesting to see how that goes. If the case is against the Government and say they lose, where does it go after that? As it’s part of the treaty, could it go to the European Court. I honestly don’t profess to know, but imagine the irony of Boris appealing something in the hope the European Court supports him.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 14, 2021 15:52:29 GMT
And all so avoidable, oh well.
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Post by wagsastokie on May 14, 2021 16:06:28 GMT
And all so avoidable, oh well. What’s so avoidable the the Eu giving the northern Irish a early dear sentence
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Post by wagsastokie on May 14, 2021 16:07:24 GMT
It’s time to cancel the Northern Ireland protocol
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 14, 2021 16:22:57 GMT
And all so avoidable, oh well. What’s so avoidable the the Eu giving the northern Irish a early dear sentence In the sense that none of this was remotely an issue 10 years ago. Meanwhile, aside from the mess in NI and back to the environment... Michael Gove promised a "green Brexit" when he was environment secretary in 2018. So far, the only practical policy decision the current environment secretary, George Eustice, has made has been to announce the scrapping of EU "greening measures" in England from the beginning of this year. Greening measures required farmers to maintain 5% of their land as "ecological focus areas" by planting cover crops or buffer strips around the headlands of intensively farmed fields. Eustice's decision to free English farmers from the greening measures has completely disconnected farmers from having to engage in conservation work in order to receive the subsidies that will not be completely phased out until 2027. Little wonder that a report from Greener UK, representing the likes of RSPB and FoE among others, highlighted "massive gaps in environmental regulation" post-Brexit and the outlook for agriculture - in terms of biodiversity and pollution - as uncertain at best.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 16, 2021 10:47:20 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on May 16, 2021 14:28:35 GMT
When I worked for French multinational company, it was galling the number of times the Paris HQ said businesses had to do something although the other nations divisions said it was not a good idea. Only for the plants in France to do something different! It really was a case of one rule for the French plants and a different rule for everyone else. That is apart from the American business because under American law although businesses may be foreign owned, they are autonomous and cannot be forced to do something they don't want by foreign owners. (Maybe that dates back to the War of Independance?) After years negotiating for the EU trying to force the UK to tow the EU line, like trying to stop the UK negotiating future trade deals before the UK left the EU, it seems Barnier has changed his tune, or it it simply another example of the duplicity of the French. (Apologies if that sounds xenophobic- I actually worked with a number of very decent French people, but I don't think there is another nation that looks at the world purely through their own eyes and interest more than the French.) www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-french-borders-shut-pledge/
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Post by wagsastokie on May 16, 2021 14:33:01 GMT
When I worked for French multinational company, it was galling the number of times the Paris HQ said businesses had to do something although the other nations divisions said it was not a good idea. Only for the plants in France to do something different! It really was a case of one rule for the French plants and a different rule for everyone else. That is apart from the American business because under American law although businesses may be foreign owned, they are autonomous and cannot be forced to do something they don't want by foreign owners. (Maybe that dates back to the War of Independance?) After years negotiating for the EU trying to force the UK to tow the EU line, like trying to stop the UK negotiating future trade deals before the UK left the EU, it seems Barnier has changed his tune, or it it simply another example of the duplicity of the French. (Apologies if that sounds xenophobic- I actually worked with a number of very decent French people, but I don't think there is another nation that looks at the world purely through their own eyes and interest more than the French.) www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-french-borders-shut-pledge/The yanks are pretty good at looking to there own interests
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 16, 2021 17:21:30 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on May 16, 2021 18:41:48 GMT
Another pointless post......
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Post by mrcoke on May 16, 2021 21:05:27 GMT
I'm sure the Neweuropean is the fount of knowledge on the dairy industry and I wouldn't want a few facts to get in the way of a good anti Brexit story knocking the government, but Dairy/milk production was down significantly in February. www.gov.uk/government/statistics/milk-utilisation-by-dairies-in-england-and-wales/usage-of-milk-by-dairies-in-the-united-kingdom-statistics-december-2020The vast majority of UK milk and dairy production is consumed in the UK and the surplus exported. Dairy products (like fish) are not in the top 80 UK exports in terms of value. It is only in recent years the UK has become a net exporter of dairy products and the pandemic is causing lots of distortions of the market. I couldn't get my usual filtered milk a few weeks ago. It is a fact that EU red tape has impeded exports to the EU. Normally a lot of UK milk goes to Ireland to be sold back as cheese. A Yorkshire cheese producer has hit major problems selling to the EU, so they advertised elsewhere and have been inundated with enquiries to buy from North America. Leaving the EU is going to create lots of changes in the market place just as it did in the 1970s when we joined the common market.
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Post by partickpotter on May 16, 2021 21:25:25 GMT
Another pointless post...... From a pointless poster.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 16, 2021 23:26:59 GMT
I see the Scottish melt has joined the pile on....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 16, 2021 23:28:32 GMT
I'm sure the Neweuropean is the fount of knowledge on the dairy industry and I wouldn't want a few facts to get in the way of a good anti Brexit story knocking the government, but Dairy/milk production was down significantly in February. www.gov.uk/government/statistics/milk-utilisation-by-dairies-in-england-and-wales/usage-of-milk-by-dairies-in-the-united-kingdom-statistics-december-2020The vast majority of UK milk and dairy production is consumed in the UK and the surplus exported. Dairy products (like fish) are not in the top 80 UK exports in terms of value. It is only in recent years the UK has become a net exporter of dairy products and the pandemic is causing lots of distortions of the market. I couldn't get my usual filtered milk a few weeks ago. It is a fact that EU red tape has impeded exports to the EU. Normally a lot of UK milk goes to Ireland to be sold back as cheese. A Yorkshire cheese producer has hit major problems selling to the EU, so they advertised elsewhere and have been inundated with enquiries to buy from North America. Leaving the EU is going to create lots of changes in the market place just as it did in the 1970s when we joined the common market. So they are down then? North America? Really? GFA?
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Post by partickpotter on May 17, 2021 6:29:31 GMT
I'm sure the Neweuropean is the fount of knowledge on the dairy industry and I wouldn't want a few facts to get in the way of a good anti Brexit story knocking the government, but Dairy/milk production was down significantly in February. www.gov.uk/government/statistics/milk-utilisation-by-dairies-in-england-and-wales/usage-of-milk-by-dairies-in-the-united-kingdom-statistics-december-2020The vast majority of UK milk and dairy production is consumed in the UK and the surplus exported. Dairy products (like fish) are not in the top 80 UK exports in terms of value. It is only in recent years the UK has become a net exporter of dairy products and the pandemic is causing lots of distortions of the market. I couldn't get my usual filtered milk a few weeks ago. It is a fact that EU red tape has impeded exports to the EU. Normally a lot of UK milk goes to Ireland to be sold back as cheese. A Yorkshire cheese producer has hit major problems selling to the EU, so they advertised elsewhere and have been inundated with enquiries to buy from North America. Leaving the EU is going to create lots of changes in the market place just as it did in the 1970s when we joined the common market. So they are down then? North America? Really? GFA? GYTF
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 17, 2021 8:06:33 GMT
Scottish melt losing his shit and resorting to insult. Wow..........
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 17, 2021 8:15:00 GMT
Scottish melt losing his shit and resorting to insult. Wow.......... He always does when you disagree with him. Meanwhile, some rumblings of discontent around the Australia UK trade deal - the first one that isn't simply a roll over of previous EU conditions... Landmark Brexit trade deal with Australia must be secured or UK should 'throw in towel' Daniel Hannan, a prominent Brexiteer who served as a Tory MEP for 21 years, urged the Prime Minister to “exercise” the freedom leaving the EU has given Britain. He pointed to a hotly-anticipated free trade agreement (FTA) with Australia which many hope will conclude next month. Mr Hannan, who campaigned for a soft Brexit but accepts he “lost the argument”, warned that the deal is under threat by a combination of Remoaners and campaigners who do not want the UK to diverge from EU rules. Sticking “wherever possible, to the status quo” would hamper the Prime Minister’s vision of a “global Britain”. Mr Hannan urged Mr Johnson scrap this in favour of pursuing free trade deals with the world’s emerging economies - where much of the predicted future economic growth is due to take place. Writing in the Telegraph, he said that “if we can't do a proper trade deal even with our kinsmen Down Under, we might as well throw in the towel”. He added: “We shouldn't be satisfied with preservation. We should be winning new markets. “Beef sells here for around half the price it fetches in Japan or South Korea.” Mr Hannan went on to argue that we would be “mad” not to use the autonomy that Brexit handed the UK. He added: “There were arguments for staying in the EU and there were arguments for leaving. “There is no argument at all for abandoning the advantages of membership and then ignoring the opportunities of withdrawal.”
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Post by partickpotter on May 17, 2021 8:24:19 GMT
Scottish melt losing his shit and resorting to insult. Wow.......... Says the wet blouse who is permanently shitting himself.
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Post by partickpotter on May 17, 2021 8:26:06 GMT
Scottish melt losing his shit and resorting to insult. Wow.......... He always does when you disagree with him. Meanwhile, some rumblings of discontent around the Australia UK trade deal - the first one that isn't simply a roll over of previous EU conditions... Landmark Brexit trade deal with Australia must be secured or UK should 'throw in towel' Daniel Hannan, a prominent Brexiteer who served as a Tory MEP for 21 years, urged the Prime Minister to “exercise” the freedom leaving the EU has given Britain. He pointed to a hotly-anticipated free trade agreement (FTA) with Australia which many hope will conclude next month. Mr Hannan, who campaigned for a soft Brexit but accepts he “lost the argument”, warned that the deal is under threat by a combination of Remoaners and campaigners who do not want the UK to diverge from EU rules. Sticking “wherever possible, to the status quo” would hamper the Prime Minister’s vision of a “global Britain”. Mr Hannan urged Mr Johnson scrap this in favour of pursuing free trade deals with the world’s emerging economies - where much of the predicted future economic growth is due to take place. Writing in the Telegraph, he said that “if we can't do a proper trade deal even with our kinsmen Down Under, we might as well throw in the towel”. He added: “We shouldn't be satisfied with preservation. We should be winning new markets. “Beef sells here for around half the price it fetches in Japan or South Korea.” Mr Hannan went on to argue that we would be “mad” not to use the autonomy that Brexit handed the UK. He added: “There were arguments for staying in the EU and there were arguments for leaving. “There is no argument at all for abandoning the advantages of membership and then ignoring the opportunities of withdrawal.” Wet blouses of the world unite. That’s so beautiful. When’s the wedding boys?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 17, 2021 8:37:59 GMT
Scottish melt losing his shit and resorting to insult. Wow.......... He always does when you disagree with him. Meanwhile, some rumblings of discontent around the Australia UK trade deal - the first one that isn't simply a roll over of previous EU conditions... Landmark Brexit trade deal with Australia must be secured or UK should 'throw in towel' Daniel Hannan, a prominent Brexiteer who served as a Tory MEP for 21 years, urged the Prime Minister to “exercise” the freedom leaving the EU has given Britain. He pointed to a hotly-anticipated free trade agreement (FTA) with Australia which many hope will conclude next month. Mr Hannan, who campaigned for a soft Brexit but accepts he “lost the argument”, warned that the deal is under threat by a combination of Remoaners and campaigners who do not want the UK to diverge from EU rules. Sticking “wherever possible, to the status quo” would hamper the Prime Minister’s vision of a “global Britain”. Mr Hannan urged Mr Johnson scrap this in favour of pursuing free trade deals with the world’s emerging economies - where much of the predicted future economic growth is due to take place. Writing in the Telegraph, he said that “if we can't do a proper trade deal even with our kinsmen Down Under, we might as well throw in the towel”. He added: “We shouldn't be satisfied with preservation. We should be winning new markets. “Beef sells here for around half the price it fetches in Japan or South Korea.” Mr Hannan went on to argue that we would be “mad” not to use the autonomy that Brexit handed the UK. He added: “There were arguments for staying in the EU and there were arguments for leaving. “There is no argument at all for abandoning the advantages of membership and then ignoring the opportunities of withdrawal.” He is seriously losing his shit. Now if I was crapslinger I'd have gone crying to admin to get him a ban. I'm no sad rat though.
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Post by partickpotter on May 17, 2021 8:42:57 GMT
He always does when you disagree with him. Meanwhile, some rumblings of discontent around the Australia UK trade deal - the first one that isn't simply a roll over of previous EU conditions... Landmark Brexit trade deal with Australia must be secured or UK should 'throw in towel' Daniel Hannan, a prominent Brexiteer who served as a Tory MEP for 21 years, urged the Prime Minister to “exercise” the freedom leaving the EU has given Britain. He pointed to a hotly-anticipated free trade agreement (FTA) with Australia which many hope will conclude next month. Mr Hannan, who campaigned for a soft Brexit but accepts he “lost the argument”, warned that the deal is under threat by a combination of Remoaners and campaigners who do not want the UK to diverge from EU rules. Sticking “wherever possible, to the status quo” would hamper the Prime Minister’s vision of a “global Britain”. Mr Hannan urged Mr Johnson scrap this in favour of pursuing free trade deals with the world’s emerging economies - where much of the predicted future economic growth is due to take place. Writing in the Telegraph, he said that “if we can't do a proper trade deal even with our kinsmen Down Under, we might as well throw in the towel”. He added: “We shouldn't be satisfied with preservation. We should be winning new markets. “Beef sells here for around half the price it fetches in Japan or South Korea.” Mr Hannan went on to argue that we would be “mad” not to use the autonomy that Brexit handed the UK. He added: “There were arguments for staying in the EU and there were arguments for leaving. “There is no argument at all for abandoning the advantages of membership and then ignoring the opportunities of withdrawal.” He is seriously losing his shit. Now if I was crapslinger I'd have gone crying to admin to get him a ban. I'm no sad rat though.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 17, 2021 9:05:43 GMT
Always entertaining when someone can't resist proving the very point being raised... Let it go, partick
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Post by followyoudown on May 17, 2021 9:25:03 GMT
Scottish melt losing his shit and resorting to insult. Wow.......... Says the wet blouse who is permanently shitting himself. Quite amazing how easily the far left slide into insults based on race / ethnicity / nationality, them and the far right are two cheeks of the same arse, only real difference is the far left hate most british people too.
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Post by thevoid on May 17, 2021 9:33:10 GMT
Scottish melt losing his shit and resorting to insult. Wow.......... Hello pot, meet kettle 😄 What does PP's nationality have to do with anything by the way? (I thought he was born in England but I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong about that)
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Post by mrcoke on May 17, 2021 9:39:53 GMT
Scottish melt losing his shit and resorting to insult. Wow.......... He always does when you disagree with him. Meanwhile, some rumblings of discontent around the Australia UK trade deal - the first one that isn't simply a roll over of previous EU conditions... Landmark Brexit trade deal with Australia must be secured or UK should 'throw in towel' Daniel Hannan, a prominent Brexiteer who served as a Tory MEP for 21 years, urged the Prime Minister to “exercise” the freedom leaving the EU has given Britain. He pointed to a hotly-anticipated free trade agreement (FTA) with Australia which many hope will conclude next month. Mr Hannan, who campaigned for a soft Brexit but accepts he “lost the argument”, warned that the deal is under threat by a combination of Remoaners and campaigners who do not want the UK to diverge from EU rules. Sticking “wherever possible, to the status quo” would hamper the Prime Minister’s vision of a “global Britain”. Mr Hannan urged Mr Johnson scrap this in favour of pursuing free trade deals with the world’s emerging economies - where much of the predicted future economic growth is due to take place. Writing in the Telegraph, he said that “if we can't do a proper trade deal even with our kinsmen Down Under, we might as well throw in the towel”. He added: “We shouldn't be satisfied with preservation. We should be winning new markets. “Beef sells here for around half the price it fetches in Japan or South Korea.” Mr Hannan went on to argue that we would be “mad” not to use the autonomy that Brexit handed the UK. He added: “There were arguments for staying in the EU and there were arguments for leaving. “There is no argument at all for abandoning the advantages of membership and then ignoring the opportunities of withdrawal.” Negotiation of trade deals is about just that negotiation. That negotiation goes on behind closed doors and I doubt Mr Hannan is in the know on the details of negotiations. Since he was a "soft Brexiteer" I doubt he was a true Brexiteer and prepared to accept EU Commission and ECOJ decisions. His comments sound like "sour grapes" to me. The EU have generally only achieved trade deals with countries they could easily bully. It took them many years to do a deal with Japan and Canada, and have failed to make agreements with Australia and India who are tougher nuts to crack and not going to roll over easily without clear benefits for their countries. It takes a long time to get to a win- win situation. Your second sentence above is wrong. The UK - Japan trade deal is not a "roll over", it has improved terms on the EU - Japan trade deal. The UK also has a joint commitment with Canada for an enhanced trade deal. There was little point in delaying a roll over as the deal between Canada and the EU had only been agreed quite recently. When debating trade deals it should be remembered that countries' governments doing trade deals and organising trade fairs etc. does not in itself actually increase trade. Increased trade is done by the business community and it incumbent on them to take advantage of improved terms, reduced tariffs and quotas, etc. for any actual benefits to flow. This is something that British business are actually very good at. Governments are pretty useless at doing business deals as we have seen in the last 18 months with the UK government's ppe and track and trace deals, and the EU Commission's vaccine deals. We don't know what the future will bring to the world in terms of pandemics, other natural disasters, wars, and politics/politicians policies, but we can be sure of climate change (and the need for mankind to respond), pollution (and the need for abatement), increased population, technological advancement, and rising wealth (in monetary terms) and increased leisure time. These are things we can be sure will happen and are things the UK are very good at exploiting, and coupled with our national resources will mean the UK can look forward to a prosperous future. Now the UK is no longer locked inside the customs union of the EU and treaty regulations, it will find it far more advantageous to make faster progress. The whole point of Brexit for many of us that the UK is now free to make our own laws and judicial decisions, trade deals, etc. and not have to abide my decisions made in Brussels, Luxembourg etc.
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Post by partickpotter on May 17, 2021 9:39:59 GMT
Always entertaining when someone can't resist proving the very point being raised... Let it go, partick You are quite right. My apologies. It’s just that, in these terrible days of war and pestilence (not to mention Tory government and Brexit), it is too easy to get carried away witnessing a beautiful romance develop. I wish you and Huddy all the best for the future. You make a lovely couple.
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Post by partickpotter on May 17, 2021 9:45:45 GMT
Scottish melt losing his shit and resorting to insult. Wow.......... Hello pot, meet kettle 😄 What does PP's nationality have to do with anything by the way? (I thought he was born in England but I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong about that) Certainly was; born in England in 1963. In Chester. Yes, I’m one of those Cheshire Stokies. Moved to Scotland in 89, so been living here an awfully long time. And for my sins, my 21 year old Glasgow born and bred son is a Stokie who, I’m pleased to say, like his dad, wears a Stoke top when playing 5-a-side. As to Huddy, I forgive him. He can’t help it.
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Post by thevoid on May 17, 2021 10:57:23 GMT
Always entertaining when someone can't resist proving the very point being raised... Let it go, partick You are quite right. My apologies. It’s just that, in these terrible days of war and pestilence (not to mention Tory government and Brexit), it is too easy to get carried away witnessing a beautiful romance develop. I wish you and Huddy all the best for the future. You make a lovely couple. They could form a street dance act, and I have the perfect name. DUOplicity 😎
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 17, 2021 11:02:30 GMT
Always entertaining when someone can't resist proving the very point being raised... Let it go, partick You are quite right. My apologies. It’s just that, in these terrible days of war and pestilence (not to mention Tory government and Brexit), it is too easy to get carried away witnessing a beautiful romance develop. I wish you and Huddy all the best for the future. You make a lovely couple. Oh, lighten up, partick, stop being so prissy
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