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Post by followyoudown on Oct 26, 2020 10:48:57 GMT
If the increasing likelihood of a deal results in an agreement that results in EU fishermen seeing their catches in U.K. waters reduce from 70% to say 40% meaning we can catch around 60% would that mean sovereignty has been achieved or does the U.K. have to catch 100% of fish in our waters? Eu fisherman can catch 90 percent and sovereignty is achieved if we tell them they can and we set the quotas each year or so Correct we can also tell them where they have to land the catch, where the boat has to be registered and therefore affect where it pays tax.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 26, 2020 17:12:05 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 26, 2020 17:17:47 GMT
Oh dear never mind That’s cheered me up a touch
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 26, 2020 22:39:35 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 26, 2020 22:48:20 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 27, 2020 6:29:32 GMT
Eu fisherman can catch 90 percent and sovereignty is achieved if we tell them they can and we set the quotas each year or so Correct we can also tell them where they have to land the catch, where the boat has to be registered and therefore affect where it pays tax. Yes, all the new British fishing vessels will be registered in Bermuda and other Caribbean islands just like our cruise liners who have paid a stack in tax down the years? Can you believe it? A Tory advocating that people pay British tax not Caribbean? I see FYD that you were never David Cameron’s accountant ?😄
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 27, 2020 12:49:11 GMT
Correct we can also tell them where they have to land the catch, where the boat has to be registered and therefore affect where it pays tax. Yes, all the new British fishing vessels will be registered in Bermuda and other Caribbean islands just like our cruise liners who have paid a stack in tax down the years? Can you believe it? A Tory advocating that people pay British tax not Caribbean? I see FYD that you were never David Cameron’s accountant ?😄 Why am I not surprised you don't understand the basic principles of taxation, by landing the fish in the uk it becomes a sale from the UK when it is then shipped onwards to customers, where the fishing boat is registered is not that important then that's a bit different than cruise ships that sail through many countries waters without always landing. As for David Cameron I think this is a poorly executed attempt at a joke about his fathers hedge / investment fund domiciled in the Bahamas at the time of the panama papers there was a couple of articles explaining how it was pretty standard, very boring stuff which actually wasn't even that tax efficient. These countries are mostly chosen due to less regulation on needing to disclose investors, the hedge fund companies never really make a "profit" because they gamble with other peoples money and charge them commission, the income goes back to the investors and or owners as salary, as soon as they try and move money back to the UK it gets taxed except in a few very limited instances like inheritance tax etc I probably should have started you with something simpler to understand like this is your elbow, this is your ars..... but there you go
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 27, 2020 13:52:35 GMT
Yes, all the new British fishing vessels will be registered in Bermuda and other Caribbean islands just like our cruise liners who have paid a stack in tax down the years? Can you believe it? A Tory advocating that people pay British tax not Caribbean? I see FYD that you were never David Cameron’s accountant ?😄 Why am I not surprised you don't understand the basic principles of taxation, by landing the fish in the uk it becomes a sale from the UK when it is then shipped onwards to customers, where the fishing boat is registered is not that important then that's a bit different than cruise ships that sail through many countries waters without always landing. As for David Cameron I think this is a poorly executed attempt at a joke about his fathers hedge / investment fund domiciled in the Bahamas at the time of the panama papers there was a couple of articles explaining how it was pretty standard, very boring stuff which actually wasn't even that tax efficient. These countries are mostly chosen due to less regulation on needing to disclose investors, the hedge fund companies never really make a "profit" because they gamble with other peoples money and charge them commission, the income goes back to the investors and or owners as salary, as soon as they try and move money back to the UK it gets taxed except in a few very limited instances like inheritance tax etc I probably should have started you with something simpler to understand like this is your elbow, this is your ars..... but there you go This seems rather like the sort of tone that you would generally cite as being “personal” or “insulting” if it were directed at you fella Is it just that you’re a snowflake who can give it but not take it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 14:06:44 GMT
Mate, are you religious or something? You're talking like you're being driven by belief in a higher power, cause Christ knows what you're saying has got fuck all to do with anything I've got to say. with the greatest respect, deanohaspissedhispants, who gives a flying fuck what you’ve got to say (smiley face) That doesn't sound very respectful
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 27, 2020 14:24:09 GMT
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Post by Kpsje on Oct 27, 2020 14:48:40 GMT
with the greatest respect, deanohaspissedhispants, who gives a flying fuck what you’ve got to say (smiley face) That doesn't sound very respectful (lächelndes gesicht)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 16:06:07 GMT
That doesn't sound very respectful (lächelndes gesicht) Gesundtheit
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Post by Kpsje on Oct 27, 2020 16:17:59 GMT
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Post by potteringermany on Oct 27, 2020 20:50:46 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 28, 2020 6:53:42 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 28, 2020 7:45:14 GMT
The slow removal of environmental and food protections continues... www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54706675Looks like a steady march towards the politicisation of previously independent bodies, much like in the States where even the ultimate law interpreting body is politicised. Dangerous move. The once independent Environment Agency, which used to have opinions on environmental matters like not building a third runway at Heathrow because it'll, you know, cause a lot of environmental damage and ruin people's lives, now has its press releases controlled by the government. In terms of its 'independence' it's just about got the 'o' of quango left and little else.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 28, 2020 11:30:30 GMT
The slow removal of environmental and food protections continues... www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54706675Looks like a steady march towards the politicisation of previously independent bodies, much like in the States where even the ultimate law interpreting body is politicised. Dangerous move. The once independent Environment Agency, which used to have opinions on environmental matters like not building a third runway at Heathrow because it'll, you know, cause a lot of environmental damage and ruin people's lives, now has its press releases controlled by the government. In terms of its 'independence' it's just about got the 'o' of quango left and little else. That's democracy. You vote a government into power and they pass laws. If the UK voted in the Green Party would you expect the same thing to happen? People who are highly concerned about green issues, support and campaign for them which is what the BBC is reporting. People get the government they vote for and the policies they vote for. I worked in the steel industry. A highly polluting industry which had to cope with masses of health, safety, and environmental legislation. I saw the demise of the UK steel industry while the Dutch steel industry increased in size. In 2004 I started to work for Corus, tha Anglo Dutch steel company and started to visit The Netherlands a lot. I found that in The Netherlands environment is a very high concern of the people and the political parties, which is hardly surprising as in a lot of the country the water table is "higher" than the land! There is a lot of EU environmental legislation. The UK industry bears the cost, but in The Netherlands half the capital cost of implementing environmental legislation is paid for by the Dutch government. This meant not just the cost of installing new environmental controls, but also the Dutch steelworks could replace old plant and equipment with new to meet better standards and reduce their day to day operating costs. Would that the British steel industry could do that. What's left of it! Unfortunately there are no votes in environmental issues in UK politics. That is not the fault of the politicians but reflecting the views of the people. That's how democracy works. Of course there are lots of countries in the world that would not dream of letting the people decide the priorities, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 11:42:34 GMT
Hello Mr Arse. Meet Mr Elbow....
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Post by thevoid on Oct 28, 2020 14:32:00 GMT
Have you got a bit more meat to the bones for this- who was polled, where, was it just Leavers who were polled or a mixture of both, that sort of thing?
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 28, 2020 15:55:26 GMT
Have you got a bit more meat to the bones for this- who was polled, where, was it just Leavers who were polled or a mixture of both, that sort of thing? YouGov do online polling. So anyone without or don't bother much with Internet like my wife and her brother who voted leave would be highly unlikely to be polled. Those satisfied with Brexit having happened are less likely to bother answering, then those who want to protest.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 28, 2020 16:05:53 GMT
Have you got a bit more meat to the bones for this- who was polled, where, was it just Leavers who were polled or a mixture of both, that sort of thing? YouGov do online polling. So anyone without or don't bother much with Internet like my wife and her brother who voted leave would be highly unlikely to be polled. Those satisfied with Brexit having happened are less likely to bother answering, then those who want to protest. That's simply not the case. Like most polling companies, they will attempt to balance their sampling methodology to make it representative. To claim otherwise is disingenuous. That doesn't mean the polls are always right - nothing to stop people giving false or misleading answers at the time they are questioned. Similarly, any sample is inherently prone to degrees of error depending on sample size, methodology, question types etc. However, I'm surprised none of you Brexiteers have noticed (I'm not really ) that 'Wrong' and 'Don't Know' are lumped in together on that chart, which makes it pointless. If you want to see what people think about Brexit, Europe etc since we left, What Britain Thinks is a much better site since it contains poll of polls type stuff: whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 28, 2020 16:09:31 GMT
Meanwhile, deal in two weeks according to Ireland.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 28, 2020 16:28:35 GMT
Have you got a bit more meat to the bones for this- who was polled, where, was it just Leavers who were polled or a mixture of both, that sort of thing? Polls about brexit are irrelevant
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 28, 2020 18:19:07 GMT
YouGov do online polling. So anyone without or don't bother much with Internet like my wife and her brother who voted leave would be highly unlikely to be polled. Those satisfied with Brexit having happened are less likely to bother answering, then those who want to protest. That's simply not the case. Like most polling companies, they will attempt to balance their sampling methodology to make it representative. To claim otherwise is disingenuous. That doesn't mean the polls are always right - nothing to stop people giving false or misleading answers at the time they are questioned. Similarly, any sample is inherently prone to degrees of error depending on sample size, methodology, question types etc. However, I'm surprised none of you Brexiteers have noticed (I'm not really ) that 'Wrong' and 'Don't Know' are lumped in together on that chart, which makes it pointless. If you want to see what people think about Brexit, Europe etc since we left, What Britain Thinks is a much better site since it contains poll of polls type stuff: whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/We saw what people really think last December and if BJ doesn't deliver a proper exit he will be out on his ear at the next GE. That is assuming the Tory grandees don't ditch him first because of his pandemic performance, and have a leadership vote to install a more electable leader which is the usual Tory party policy.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 28, 2020 18:40:18 GMT
That's simply not the case. Like most polling companies, they will attempt to balance their sampling methodology to make it representative. To claim otherwise is disingenuous. That doesn't mean the polls are always right - nothing to stop people giving false or misleading answers at the time they are questioned. Similarly, any sample is inherently prone to degrees of error depending on sample size, methodology, question types etc. However, I'm surprised none of you Brexiteers have noticed (I'm not really ) that 'Wrong' and 'Don't Know' are lumped in together on that chart, which makes it pointless. If you want to see what people think about Brexit, Europe etc since we left, What Britain Thinks is a much better site since it contains poll of polls type stuff: whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/We saw what people really think last December and if BJ doesn't deliver a proper exit he will be out on his ear at the next GE. That is assuming the Tory grandees don't ditch him first because of his pandemic performance, and have a leadership vote to install a more electable leader which is the usual Tory party policy. Boris is being panned for the pandemic! He’ll be out and Rishi ‘I’ve got trillions of dodgy monies’ Sunak will replace him? And to complete the sovereignty fraud the Limousine Democrats will be in bed with Rishi just like they did with Neville Chamberlain and other National p.m.s, David ‘Vote Blue Get Green’ Cameron well Cameron meant ‘Vote Blue Get Orange’!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 28, 2020 19:33:55 GMT
Have you got a bit more meat to the bones for this- who was polled, where, was it just Leavers who were polled or a mixture of both, that sort of thing? Polls about brexit are irrelevant Yes, in the sense that they'll change nothing. They will, however, demonstrate that we're probably leaving now at a time when most people probably wouldn't actually want to, now that they have the benefit of hindsight. Which is nothing if not ironic! But, never mind, good old call me Dave will have that as his lasting legacy. That and the break up of the United Kingdom probably. What a pair of things to be remembered for!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 28, 2020 19:36:48 GMT
That's simply not the case. Like most polling companies, they will attempt to balance their sampling methodology to make it representative. To claim otherwise is disingenuous. That doesn't mean the polls are always right - nothing to stop people giving false or misleading answers at the time they are questioned. Similarly, any sample is inherently prone to degrees of error depending on sample size, methodology, question types etc. However, I'm surprised none of you Brexiteers have noticed (I'm not really ) that 'Wrong' and 'Don't Know' are lumped in together on that chart, which makes it pointless. If you want to see what people think about Brexit, Europe etc since we left, What Britain Thinks is a much better site since it contains poll of polls type stuff: whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/We saw what people really think last December and if BJ doesn't deliver a proper exit he will be out on his ear at the next GE. That is assuming the Tory grandees don't ditch him first because of his pandemic performance, and have a leadership vote to install a more electable leader which is the usual Tory party policy. Yes, we did. People were sick and tired of hearing about Brexit and just wanted it to go away. The second part I agree with. I think he's already seen as shot, too many ordinary people have now seen through the bluff and bluster for what it was (not before taking a good percentage of the population for a good ride along the way!) ie vapid opportunism and a sense of entitlement backed up by not very much.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 28, 2020 20:39:56 GMT
We saw what people really think last December and if BJ doesn't deliver a proper exit he will be out on his ear at the next GE. That is assuming the Tory grandees don't ditch him first because of his pandemic performance, and have a leadership vote to install a more electable leader which is the usual Tory party policy. Yes, we did. People were sick and tired of hearing about Brexit and just wanted it to go away. The second part I agree with. I think he's already seen as shot, too many ordinary people have now seen through the bluff and bluster for what it was (not before taking a good percentage of the population for a good ride along the way!) ie vapid opportunism and a sense of entitlement backed up by not very much. Trouble is who the hell is going to take over? It’s a pretty shallow pond. The public are so far detached from politics right now it’s untrue
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 28, 2020 20:53:54 GMT
Yes, we did. People were sick and tired of hearing about Brexit and just wanted it to go away. The second part I agree with. I think he's already seen as shot, too many ordinary people have now seen through the bluff and bluster for what it was (not before taking a good percentage of the population for a good ride along the way!) ie vapid opportunism and a sense of entitlement backed up by not very much. Trouble is who the hell is going to take over? It’s a pretty shallow pond. The public are so far detached from politics right now it’s untrue It’ll be Rishi Furlough Sunak! The Tories are grooming him for the role. Party with first female P.M. and party with first ethnic minority P.M.. It may be tokenism but it’s effective tokenism?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 29, 2020 0:40:21 GMT
All this winning eh?
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