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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 23, 2020 19:16:07 GMT
Tiptoe through the Tulips š· To be fair when you put it like that it sounds fantastic for everyone on both sides of our 'frictionless' border. The way we used to do it was far to simple. Which is why after a small period of difficulty I'm pretty sure, a compromise will be found And in your honest opinion (and for what it is worth I agree about the compromise) do you feel that the outcome of that compromise will be better or worse for the businesses who depend on that frictionless trade?
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 23, 2020 19:25:38 GMT
Which is why after a small period of difficulty I'm pretty sure, a compromise will be found And in your honest opinion (and for what it is worth I agree about the compromise) do you feel that the outcome of that compromise will be better or worse for the businesses who depend on that frictionless trade? I think the compromise will leave things pretty much as they are yes I belive there will be more paper /computer work to be done but I think they will find a way for some to be done retrospective when needed In the end it will be down to money which generally trumps politics
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 23, 2020 19:27:26 GMT
Which is why after a small period of difficulty I'm pretty sure, a compromise will be found And in your honest opinion (and for what it is worth I agree about the compromise) do you feel that the outcome of that compromise will be better or worse for the businesses who depend on that frictionless trade? It doesn't matter. If anyone loses their job or their company suffers, they'll be comforted by knowing it's our own mess now, which we'll fully own and no-one (other than the unelected bureaucrats in the HoL, oh and Prime Minister Cummings) can tell us what to do...
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 23, 2020 19:48:09 GMT
And in your honest opinion (and for what it is worth I agree about the compromise) do you feel that the outcome of that compromise will be better or worse for the businesses who depend on that frictionless trade? I think the compromise will leave things pretty much as they are yes I belive there will be more paper /computer work to be done but I think they will find a way for some to be done retrospective when needed In the end it will be down to money which generally trumps politics There may be hope for you yet Waga
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 23, 2020 19:53:03 GMT
Getting Brexit done will allow us to do more on the international stage. We will continue to be an outward-looking country that is a champion of collective security, the rule of law, human rights, free trade, anti-corruption efforts and a rules-based international system.
Tory Party manifesto, December 2019.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 23, 2020 23:51:43 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2020 7:01:39 GMT
Have I understood this bollocks correctly? Lorry drivers will need a permit to drive into Kent, from other parts of England?! If so, WTF?!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 24, 2020 7:17:10 GMT
Have I understood this bollocks correctly? Lorry drivers will need a permit to drive into Kent, from other parts of England?! If so, WTF?! Weāre taking back control of our borders! Dunner werrit? As long as the permit has blue covers the Brexiters wonāt froth at the mouth?!š§
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 24, 2020 7:26:16 GMT
Have I understood this bollocks correctly? Lorry drivers will need a permit to drive into Kent, from other parts of England?! If so, WTF?! Weāre taking back control of our borders! Dunner werrit? As long as the permit has blue covers the Brexiters wonāt froth at the mouth?!š§ Always thought the Isle of White was in Hampshire not Kent
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Post by elystokie on Sept 24, 2020 7:34:04 GMT
Weāre taking back control of our borders! Dunner werrit? As long as the permit has blue covers the Brexiters wonāt froth at the mouth?!š§ Always thought the Isle of White was in Hampshire not Kent Are islands available in other colours? Perhaps there's been a mix up?
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 24, 2020 7:56:05 GMT
Always thought the Isle of White was in Hampshire not Kent Are islands available in other colours? Perhaps there's been a mix up? I have heard of Ireland being discribed as the emerald Isle before
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 24, 2020 7:59:58 GMT
Have I understood this bollocks correctly? Lorry drivers will need a permit to drive into Kent, from other parts of England?! If so, WTF?! It's so we can control the flow. Rather than turn up and find the French have blockaded the ports AGAIN like the good old days, and turned Kent into a lorry park.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 24, 2020 8:04:36 GMT
Are islands available in other colours? Perhaps there's been a mix up? I have heard of Ireland being discribed as the emerald Isle before The Isle of Sheppey is in Kent, not sure what colour it's deemed to be tho, there may be other Kentish islands I'm unaware of.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2020 8:09:33 GMT
Have I understood this bollocks correctly? Lorry drivers will need a permit to drive into Kent, from other parts of England?! If so, WTF?! It's so we can control the flow. Rather than turn up and find the French have blockaded the ports AGAIN like the good old days, and turned Kent into a lorry park. Right. I don't remember that being a selling point during the referendum campaign - you'll need permission to drive into a part of England from England Having a new border in the Irish Sea was farcical enough, but this takes it to another level!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 24, 2020 8:21:10 GMT
It's so we can control the flow. Rather than turn up and find the French have blockaded the ports AGAIN like the good old days, and turned Kent into a lorry park. Right. I don't remember that being a selling point during the referendum campaign - you'll need permission to drive into a part of England from England Having a new border in the Irish Sea was farcical enough, but this takes it to another level! Blockading the ports is contrary to Art 34 to 36 of TFEU which breaks international law. Which raises an interesting point. When, rather than if, the French start their shenanigans on 1st of January will they exempt Irish/EU goods from the blockade or break international law?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2020 11:13:54 GMT
Right. I don't remember that being a selling point during the referendum campaign - you'll need permission to drive into a part of England from England Having a new border in the Irish Sea was farcical enough, but this takes it to another level! Blockading the ports is contrary to Art 34 to 36 of TFEU which breaks international law. Which raises an interesting point. When, rather than if, the French start their shenanigans on 1st of January will they exempt Irish/EU goods from the blockade or break international law? Provided they only break international law in a very limited and specific way, it's fine
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 24, 2020 11:42:47 GMT
Weāre taking back control of our borders! Dunner werrit? As long as the permit has blue covers the Brexiters wonāt froth at the mouth?!š§ Always thought the Isle of White was in Hampshire not Kent Don't worry about it, the Europhiles also think the Channel Islands are in the EU, but the fact is they never have been. Nevertheless the Channel islands have always had a sound and sensible relationship with the EU and the UK, which is something successive British governments and the Brussels Eurocrats seem incapable of resolving. It also appears it is something the Remainiacs do not want, despite a referendum and general election that has sent a clear message of what the majority do want. You don't hear many calling for a second referendum these days, just constant carping about the fact our government hasn't yet rolled over to EU demands. Not yet anyway, as I don't trust Johnson and Co not to fudge it in the end, which of course is what Brussels is expecting still, and all the Remainiacs really want. Apologies for my uncharitable attitude in not wanting to hand over the country to an unelected bureaucracy and pay for the privilege.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 24, 2020 11:45:49 GMT
Blockading the ports is contrary to Art 34 to 36 of TFEU which breaks international law. Which raises an interesting point. When, rather than if, the FrenchĀ start their shenanigans on 1st of January will they exempt Irish/EU goods from the blockade or break international law? Provided they only break international law in a very limited and specific way, it's fineĀ Nobodyās blockading anybodyās ports? Checking all the extra paper work will take time on both sides of the Channel. Weāve known about this for months! This will be one of the consequences of leaving the CU and SM!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 24, 2020 11:58:27 GMT
Always thought the Isle of White was in Hampshire not Kent Don't worry about it, the Europhiles also think the Channel Islands are in the EU, but the fact is they never have been. Nevertheless the Channel islands have always had a sound and sensible relationship with the EU and the UK, which is something successive British governments and the Brussels Eurocrats seem incapable of resolving. It also appears it is something the Remainiacs do not want, despite a referendum and general election that has sent a clear message of what the majority do want. You don't hear many calling for a second referendum these days, just constant carping about the fact our government hasn't yet rolled over to EU demands. Not yet anyway, as I don't trust Johnson and Co not to fudge it in the end, which of course is what Brussels is expecting still, and all the Remainiacs really want. Apologies for my uncharitable attitude in not wanting to hand over the country to an unelected bureaucracy and pay for the privilege. Forgive me but I understood Bunter had cleared out all the āāRemainiacsā from the Cabinet! The backswoodsmen in the Tory party got rid of any āRemainiacsā from the HoC. Yet, mysteriously the āRemainiacsā are to blame for the shambles the Brexiters are creating?! How convenient for you lot! Next year I will get a letter about my state pension from the DWP! OMG! No, not the unelected bureaucracy! Letās us all refuse to have anything to do with these unelected bureaucrats and refuse to claim our pensions, sickness and disability benefits, tax credits from these bureaucrats? š±
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2020 12:34:47 GMT
Always thought the Isle of White was in Hampshire not Kent Don't worry about it, the Europhiles also think the Channel Islands are in the EU, but the fact is they never have been. Nevertheless the Channel islands have always had a sound and sensible relationship with the EU and the UK, which is something successive British governments and the Brussels Eurocrats seem incapable of resolving. It also appears it is something the Remainiacs do not want, despite a referendum and general election that has sent a clear message of what the majority do want. You don't hear many calling for a second referendum these days, just constant carping about the fact our government hasn't yet rolled over to EU demands. Not yet anyway, as I don't trust Johnson and Co not to fudge it in the end, which of course is what Brussels is expecting still, and all the Remainiacs really want. Apologies for my uncharitable attitude in not wanting to hand over the country to an unelected bureaucracy and pay for the privilege. I presume there are no longer calls for a second referendum because the chances of getting one are non-existent so why waste breath on it. Despite the fact that polls have consistently shown buyer's regret in relation to Brexit for about three years! I think most of the 'carping' as you put it is less about the government rolling over and more about pointing out the farcical nonsense that Brexit is continuing to produce: international law-breaking by our own government; a new border in the Irish Sea and now English people requiring permission to drive from one part of England to another! If it wasn't such a car crash it'd be funny. Can you begin to imagine the shitstorm that Brexiteers would create if, say, a Labour administration introduced such measures for no reason? But, it's fine, it's Brexit, we'll put up with any old bollocks in the name of Brexit! You already live in a country which has handed over power to an unelected bureaucracy (the House of Lords - currently swelling in number thanks to the Bluffer) and you pay handsomely for the privilege...will you be advocating getting rid of that next? I'd support you if you did!
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Post by thevoid on Sept 24, 2020 13:10:27 GMT
He did. A great shame that while Gibraltar and the UK were part of the EU for decades that Spain so often reverted to use border controls "as a weapon". (The DCM's words, not mine.) That just speaks volumes about our former so call EU partners, just like French lorry drivers and fishermen. Macron talks of "punishing" the UK, for making our own laws, while French border control assist illegal refugees to the UK. Fortunately Macron has raised no support from the rest of the EU, who actually know which side their bread is buttered. It's all those pesky foreigners' fault, as usual. For a Christian, you do struggle with the love thy neighbour bit! It's certainly a great shame for Gibraltarians who voted 98% Remain! I don't see why the members of any club should bend over backwards to make life easier for non-members? I also wonder if patience has finally run out with the UK. After all, no-one has benefited more from various opt-outs over the years than the UK, we still voted to Leave and we still want to have our cake and eat it...given that most Brexiteers are quite happy to tell "Brussels to go fuck themselves", I don't understand why the reverse coming back should be anything other than tit for tat? I didn't see much neighbourly love when French fishermen were attacking British boats a while back. It's probably safe to say that most Average Joes in any country will put their own individual- and nation's- interests before that of their neighbours. It's hardly unique to the UK.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2020 13:16:19 GMT
It's all those pesky foreigners' fault, as usual. For a Christian, you do struggle with the love thy neighbour bit! It's certainly a great shame for Gibraltarians who voted 98% Remain! I don't see why the members of any club should bend over backwards to make life easier for non-members? I also wonder if patience has finally run out with the UK. After all, no-one has benefited more from various opt-outs over the years than the UK, we still voted to Leave and we still want to have our cake and eat it...given that most Brexiteers are quite happy to tell "Brussels to go fuck themselves", I don't understand why the reverse coming back should be anything other than tit for tat? I didn't see much neighbourly love when French fishermen were attacking British boats a while back. It's probably safe to say that most Average Joes in any country will put their own individual- and nation's- interests before that of their neighbours. It's hardly unique to the UK. Yep. Which is why the idea of closer ties as a fundamental approach of the EU is a good thing. After all, we've got quite the history in Europe of what happens when we don't do that...likewise in the UK itself for centuries.
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Post by walstoke on Sept 24, 2020 13:16:38 GMT
Don't worry about it, the Europhiles also think the Channel Islands are in the EU, but the fact is they never have been. Nevertheless the Channel islands have always had a sound and sensible relationship with the EU and the UK, which is something successive British governments and the Brussels Eurocrats seem incapable of resolving. It also appears it is something the Remainiacs do not want, despite a referendum and general election that has sent a clear message of what the majority do want. You don't hear many calling for a second referendum these days, just constant carping about the fact our government hasn't yet rolled over to EU demands. Not yet anyway, as I don't trust Johnson and Co not to fudge it in the end, which of course is what Brussels is expecting still, and all the Remainiacs really want. Apologies for my uncharitable attitude in not wanting to hand over the country to an unelected bureaucracy and pay for the privilege. I presume there are no longer calls for a second referendum because the chances of getting one are non-existent so why waste breath on it. Despite the fact that polls have consistently shown buyer's regret in relation to Brexit for about three years! I think most of the 'carping' as you put it is less about the government rolling over and more about pointing out the farcical nonsense that Brexit is continuing to produce: international law-breaking by our own government; a new border in the Irish Sea and now English people requiring permission to drive from one part of England to another! If it wasn't such a car crash it'd be funny. Can you begin to imagine the shitstorm that Brexiteers would create if, say, a Labour administration introduced such measures for no reason? But, it's fine, it's Brexit, we'll put up with any old bollocks in the name of Brexit! You already live in a country which has handed over power to an unelected bureaucracy (the House of Lords - currently swelling in number thanks to the Bluffer) and you pay handsomely for the privilege...will you be advocating getting rid of that next? I'd support you if you did! The house of lords (parasites) is what drives me mad. A bunch of already rich scoundrels being given free money for doing f##k all.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 24, 2020 13:29:27 GMT
I presume there are no longer calls for a second referendum because the chances of getting one are non-existent so why waste breath on it. Despite the fact that polls have consistently shown buyer's regret in relation to Brexit for about three years! I think most of the 'carping' as you put it is less about the government rolling over and more about pointing out the farcical nonsense that Brexit is continuing to produce: international law-breaking by our own government; a new border in the Irish Sea and now English people requiring permission to drive from one part of England to another! If it wasn't such a car crash it'd be funny. Can you begin to imagine the shitstorm that Brexiteers would create if, say, a Labour administration introduced such measures for no reason? But, it's fine, it's Brexit, we'll put up with any old bollocks in the name of Brexit! You already live in a country which has handed over power to an unelected bureaucracy (the House of Lords - currently swelling in number thanks to the Bluffer) and you pay handsomely for the privilege...will you be advocating getting rid of that next? I'd support you if you did! The house of lords (parasites) is what drives me mad. A bunch of already rich scoundrels being given free money for doing f##k all. Support the Brexit party then....the only party that would actually DO what it says in relation to the House of Lords. Imagine the Labour Party actually , really intending to abolish it.... A POLITICAL REVOLUTION The way the political Establishment has conspired to frustrate democracy over Brexit has highlighted the need for fundamental political reform. The Brexit Party can deliver real democratic change because we are not part of the Westminster status quo. It is now time for a debate on a written constitution. We pledge to: ā¢ Reform the voting system to make it more representative. ā¢ Abolish the unelected House of Lords. ā¢ Make MPs who switch parties subject to recall petitions. ā¢ Overhaul the postal voting system to combat fraud and abuse. ā¢ Reform the Supreme Court ā judges who play a role in politics must be subject to political scrutiny. Ensure political balance by broadening participation in the Selection Commission or conduct interviews by Parliamentary Committee. ā¢ Make the Civil Service more accountable to the public ā we would require civil servants to sign an oath to act with political neutrality. ā¢ Phase out the BBC licence fee. ā¢ Require Universities to incorporate an obligation to protect legal free speech. ā¢ Introduce Citizensā Initiatives to allow people to call referendums, subject to a 5m threshold of registered voter signatures and time limitations on repeat votes. WE PLEDGE TO INTRODUCE CITIZENSā INITIATIVES TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO CALL REFERENDUMS
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 24, 2020 13:50:17 GMT
Blockading the ports is contrary to Art 34 to 36 of TFEU which breaks international law. Which raises an interesting point. When, rather than if, the French start their shenanigans on 1st of January will they exempt Irish/EU goods from the blockade or break international law? Provided they only break international law in a very limited and specific way, it's fine Like on bailouts you mean? France's Lagarde: EU rescues "violated" rules: report
Or how about unilaterally overriding the legally binding treaty on running the Channel tunnel? The EUās power grab in the Channel Tunnel must be stopped This is nothing less than a blatant power grab by the EU, which seeks to usurp a bilateral arrangement that is sound in international law in order to be able to impose EU regulation and the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice in the UK. Or how about the German Supreme Court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) overruled the ECB by finding that ' Federal Government and the German Bundestag violated the complainantsā rights'. Therefore subordinating EU law to German law.https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/EN/2020/bvg20-032.html Pesky little violations.
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Post by walstoke on Sept 24, 2020 14:39:38 GMT
The house of lords (parasites) is what drives me mad. A bunch of already rich scoundrels being given free money for doing f##k all. Support the Brexit party then....the only party that would actually DO what it says in relation to the House of Lords. Imagine the Labour Party actually , really intending to abolish it.... A POLITICAL REVOLUTION The way the political Establishment has conspired to frustrate democracy over Brexit has highlighted the need for fundamental political reform. The Brexit Party can deliver real democratic change because we are not part of the Westminster status quo. It is now time for a debate on a written constitution. We pledge to: ā¢ Reform the voting system to make it more representative. ā¢ Abolish the unelected House of Lords. ā¢ Make MPs who switch parties subject to recall petitions. ā¢ Overhaul the postal voting system to combat fraud and abuse. ā¢ Reform the Supreme Court ā judges who play a role in politics must be subject to political scrutiny. Ensure political balance by broadening participation in the Selection Commission or conduct interviews by Parliamentary Committee. ā¢ Make the Civil Service more accountable to the public ā we would require civil servants to sign an oath to act with political neutrality. ā¢ Phase out the BBC licence fee. ā¢ Require Universities to incorporate an obligation to protect legal free speech. ā¢ Introduce Citizensā Initiatives to allow people to call referendums, subject to a 5m threshold of registered voter signatures and time limitations on repeat votes. WE PLEDGE TO INTRODUCE CITIZENSā INITIATIVES TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO CALL REFERENDUMS I'm a brexit supporter, but the brexit party didn't stand in north Walsall. I wrote an email to Eddie Hughes, my Tory mp, asking him to support abolishing the h.o.l, I never got a reply.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 24, 2020 15:10:01 GMT
Don't worry about it, the Europhiles also think the Channel Islands are in the EU, but the fact is they never have been. Nevertheless the Channel islands have always had a sound and sensible relationship with the EU and the UK, which is something successive British governments and the Brussels Eurocrats seem incapable of resolving. It also appears it is something the Remainiacs do not want, despite a referendum and general election that has sent a clear message of what the majority do want. You don't hear many calling for a second referendum these days, just constant carping about the fact our government hasn't yet rolled over to EU demands. Not yet anyway, as I don't trust Johnson and Co not to fudge it in the end, which of course is what Brussels is expecting still, and all the Remainiacs really want. Apologies for my uncharitable attitude in not wanting to hand over the country to an unelected bureaucracy and pay for the privilege. Forgive me but I understood Bunter had cleared out all the āāRemainiacsā from the Cabinet! The backswoodsmen in the Tory party got rid of any āRemainiacsā from the HoC. Yet, mysteriously the āRemainiacsā are to blame for the shambles the Brexiters are creating?! How convenient for you lot! Next year I will get a letter about my state pension from the DWP! OMG! No, not the unelected bureaucracy! Letās us all refuse to have anything to do with these unelected bureaucrats and refuse to claim our pensions, sickness and disability benefits, tax credits from these bureaucrats? š± The Remainiacs I was referring to are people like you, Blair, Major, House of Lords, etc. who refuse to accept the decision of the people. In a way the Remainiacs are partly to blame for the lack of progress on a trade deal, as they encourage the EU to think Britain will give way to their demands, and not respect our sovereignty as much as Japan or Canada, despite having a massive positive trade balance with the UK. The DWP is a government department headed by an MP Therese Duffy, who is a science graduate, highly qualified and experienced in finance, and worked in industry before entering politics. That's how government works in the UK, civil servants are responsible to elected politicians. Unlike the EU Commision who are not only unelected, the UK has been repeatedly failed in opposing appointments of people who have been found to be corrupt. The EU Commission is in effect committed to less and less democracy in the EU by ever closer union. Fortunately the people's will will ultimately prevail and the EU will fragment, like the Soviet Union. In fact I doubt the EU will last as long as the Soviet Union. We are agreed that our politicians of all colours preside over shambles, but we put them there and we have the power at general elections to remove them. "Bunter" & Co. will be removed in time, they all are eventually.
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Post by walstoke on Sept 24, 2020 15:26:21 GMT
Forgive me but I understood Bunter had cleared out all the āāRemainiacsā from the Cabinet! The backswoodsmen in the Tory party got rid of any āRemainiacsā from the HoC. Yet, mysteriously the āRemainiacsā are to blame for the shambles the Brexiters are creating?! How convenient for you lot! Next year I will get a letter about my state pension from the DWP! OMG! No, not the unelected bureaucracy! Letās us all refuse to have anything to do with these unelected bureaucrats and refuse to claim our pensions, sickness and disability benefits, tax credits from these bureaucrats? š± The Remainiacs I was referring to are people like you, Blair, Major, House of Lords, etc. who refuse to accept the decision of the people. In a way the Remainiacs are partly to blame for the lack of progress on a trade deal, as they encourage the EU to think Britain will give way to their demands, and not respect our sovereignty as much as Japan or Canada, despite having a massive positive trade balance with the UK. The DWP is a government department headed by an MP Therese Duffy, who is a science graduate, highly qualified and experienced in finance, and worked in industry before entering politics. That's how government works in the UK, civil servants are responsible to elected politicians. Unlike the EU Commision who are not only unelected, the UK has been repeatedlyĀ failed in opposing appointments of people who have been found to be corrupt. The EU Commission is in effect committed to less and less democracy in the EU by ever closer union. Fortunately the people's will will ultimately prevail and the EU will fragment, like the Soviet Union. In fact I doubt the EU will last as long as the Soviet Union. We are agreed that our politicians of all colours preside over shambles, but we put them there and we have the power at general elections to remove them. "Bunter" & Co. will be removed in time, they all are eventually. š
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 24, 2020 15:36:58 GMT
Don't worry about it, the Europhiles also think the Channel Islands are in the EU, but the fact is they never have been. Nevertheless the Channel islands have always had a sound and sensible relationship with the EU and the UK, which is something successive British governments and the Brussels Eurocrats seem incapable of resolving. It also appears it is something the Remainiacs do not want, despite a referendum and general election that has sent a clear message of what the majority do want. You don't hear many calling for a second referendum these days, just constant carping about the fact our government hasn't yet rolled over to EU demands. Not yet anyway, as I don't trust Johnson and Co not to fudge it in the end, which of course is what Brussels is expecting still, and all the Remainiacs really want. Apologies for my uncharitable attitude in not wanting to hand over the country to an unelected bureaucracy and pay for the privilege. I presume there are no longer calls for a second referendum because the chances of getting one are non-existent so why waste breath on it. Despite the fact that polls have consistently shown buyer's regret in relation to Brexit for about three years! I think most of the 'carping' as you put it is less about the government rolling over and more about pointing out the farcical nonsense that Brexit is continuing to produce: international law-breaking by our own government; a new border in the Irish Sea and now English people requiring permission to drive from one part of England to another! If it wasn't such a car crash it'd be funny. Can you begin to imagine the shitstorm that Brexiteers would create if, say, a Labour administration introduced such measures for no reason? But, it's fine, it's Brexit, we'll put up with any old bollocks in the name of Brexit! You already live in a country which has handed over power to an unelected bureaucracy (the House of Lords - currently swelling in number thanks to the Bluffer) and you pay handsomely for the privilege...will you be advocating getting rid of that next? I'd support you if you did! I confidently believe that there will be a free trade deal with the EU at the end of the day when the two sides eventually make an agreement. So "barriers" like the Irish Sea and Kent border will just be temporary arrangements (if indeed they actually happen) till both sides see sense. That may take a failure to agree and a rough period before common sense prevails. As for the HoL, learn your history. Power has never been "handed over" to the HoL, it has been eroded over centuries and gradually reduced. It is sustained by our rotten "establishment" which includes almost as many Labour and Lib Dem peers as Tories. The one's who don't respect the will of the people, and think they know better.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 24, 2020 16:43:24 GMT
I presume there are no longer calls for a second referendum because the chances of getting one are non-existent so why waste breath on it. Despite the fact that polls have consistently shown buyer's regret in relation to Brexit for about three years! I think most of the 'carping' as you put it is less about the government rolling over and more about pointing out the farcical nonsense that Brexit is continuing to produce: international law-breaking by our own government; a new border in the Irish Sea and now English people requiring permission to drive from one part of England to another! If it wasn't such a car crash it'd be funny. Can you begin to imagine the shitstorm that Brexiteers would create if, say, a Labour administration introduced such measures for no reason? But, it's fine, it's Brexit, we'll put up with any old bollocks in the name of Brexit! You already live in a country which has handed over power to an unelected bureaucracy (the House of Lords - currently swelling in number thanks to the Bluffer) and you pay handsomely for the privilege...will you be advocating getting rid of that next? I'd support you if you did! I confidently believe that there will be a free trade deal with the EU at the end of the day when the two sides eventually make an agreement. So "barriers" like the Irish Sea and Kent border will just be temporary arrangements (if indeed they actually happen) till both sides see sense. That may take a failure to agree and a rough period before common sense prevails. As for the HoL, learn your history. Power has never been "handed over" to the HoL, it has been eroded over centuries and gradually reduced. It is sustained by our rotten "establishment" which includes almost as many Labour and Lib Dem peers as Tories. The one's who don't respect the will of the people, and think they know better. Given Iām supposed to be holding up a deal shouldnāt you be asking me when Iām going to agree one? Haha! As for Duffy all her qualifications in the world doesnāt stop her from being an evil piece of work? If madam is your apotheosis of British democracy I suggest you book an appointment wiith a British doctor?š
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