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Post by followyoudown on Sept 15, 2020 11:52:38 GMT
Correct the Benn act forced the UK to accept any shit WA the EU offered or our membership just extended as they refused to discuss FTA without this. Labours position neatly summarised Nick Timothy is a total buffoon and so are you, labour had basically decided not to engage at all on the brexit issue and voted not to break international law and make the country a pariah, and it voted to uphold the agreement the country voted for. It is dick heads like you that were saying labour were going against the will of the people last year. đ Who pi$$ed in your irn bru this morning ? Labour voted to not guarentee the EU could not prevent food being moved into the uk. Its a trade agreement, they got broken all the time including by the EU who by not negogiating in good faith are breaking this one too. But yeah the uk will be a pariah people actually believe that shit ? China is currently conducting a genocide of the uighur muslims and most countries are just looking at their shoes but maybe break a trade agreement sometime in the future.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 15, 2020 12:07:24 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2020 12:16:21 GMT
Nick Timothy is a total buffoon and so are you, labour had basically decided not to engage at all on the brexit issue and voted not to break international law and make the country a pariah, and it voted to uphold the agreement the country voted for. It is dick heads like you that were saying labour were going against the will of the people last year. đ Who pi$$ed in your irn bru this morning ? Labour voted to not guarentee the EU could not prevent food being moved into the uk. Its a trade agreement, they got broken all the time including by the EU who by not negogiating in good faith are breaking this one too. But yeah the uk will be a pariah people actually believe that shit ? China is currently conducting a genocide of the uighur muslims and most countries are just looking at their shoes but maybe break a trade agreement sometime in the future..... And yet China is a member of the United Nations.....makes a nonsense of it really.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 15, 2020 12:16:46 GMT
Nick Timothy is a total buffoon and so are you, labour had basically decided not to engage at all on the brexit issue and voted not to break international law and make the country a pariah, and it voted to uphold the agreement the country voted for. It is dick heads like you that were saying labour were going against the will of the people last year. đ Who pi$$ed in your irn bru this morning ? Labour voted to not guarentee the EU could not prevent food being moved into the uk. Its a trade agreement, they got broken all the time including by the EU who by not negogiating in good faith are breaking this one too. But yeah the uk will be a pariah people actually believe that shit ? China is currently conducting a genocide of the uighur muslims and most countries are just looking at their shoes but maybe break a trade agreement sometime in the future..... This The Israelis are persecuting Arabs and thieving land against international law China are ethnic cleansing Muslims against international law The Burmese government are ethnic cleansing Muslims against international law Syria are killing there own citizen's against international law And sadly I'm sure many more can be added to that deplorable list And yet the pathetic inept opposition whinges about a possible infringement that may occur if the EU try to blockade food to a part of the UK Yes a part of the UK not a part of the EU
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 15, 2020 12:26:02 GMT
Who pi$$ed in your irn bru this morning ? Labour voted to not guarentee the EU could not prevent food being moved into the uk. Its a trade agreement, they got broken all the time including by the EU who by not negogiating in good faith are breaking this one too. But yeah the uk will be a pariah people actually believe that shit ? China is currently conducting a genocide of the uighur muslims and most countries are just looking at their shoes but maybe break a trade agreement sometime in the future..... This The Israelis are persecuting Arabs and thieving land against international law China are ethnic cleansing Muslims against international law The Burmese government are ethnic cleansing Muslims against international law Syria are killing there own citizen's against international law And sadly I'm sure many more can be added to that deplorable list And yet the pathetic inept opposition whinges about a possible infringement that may occur if the EU try to blockade food to a part of the UK Yes a part of the UK not a part of the EU And the tories told the Scots that they would have no food in the shops if they voted for independence
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 15, 2020 12:30:45 GMT
This The Israelis are persecuting Arabs and thieving land against international law China are ethnic cleansing Muslims against international law The Burmese government are ethnic cleansing Muslims against international law Syria are killing there own citizen's against international law And sadly I'm sure many more can be added to that deplorable list And yet the pathetic inept opposition whinges about a possible infringement that may occur if the EU try to blockade food to a part of the UK Yes a part of the UK not a part of the EU And the tories told the Scots that they would have no food in the shops if they voted for independence But they had the sense not to Anyway I'm sure Scotland friends in the eu could of done a Berlin style airlift
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 15, 2020 12:36:23 GMT
Who pi$$ed in your irn bru this morning ? Labour voted to not guarentee the EU could not prevent food being moved into the uk. Its a trade agreement, they got broken all the time including by the EU who by not negogiating in good faith are breaking this one too. But yeah the uk will be a pariah people actually believe that shit ? China is currently conducting a genocide of the uighur muslims and most countries are just looking at their shoes but maybe break a trade agreement sometime in the future..... This The Israelis are persecuting Arabs and thieving land against international law China are ethnic cleansing Muslims against international law The Burmese government are ethnic cleansing Muslims against international law Syria are killing there own citizen's against international law And sadly I'm sure many more can be added to that deplorable list And yet the pathetic inept opposition whinges about a possible infringement that may occur if the EU try to blockade food to a part of the UK Yes a part of the UK not a part of the EU I suspect none of the above have openly declared in their respective parliaments that they will break international law.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 15, 2020 12:42:27 GMT
And the tories told the Scots that they would have no food in the shops if they voted for independence But they had the sense not to Anyway I'm sure Scotland friends in the eu could of done a Berlin style airlift The older generation were scared /blackmailed into voting to stay, it will be independence next time can't see them wanting to stay connected to the corrupt tories. For sure the rest of Europe would have helped the Scots
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 15, 2020 12:45:54 GMT
But they had the sense not to Anyway I'm sure Scotland friends in the eu could of done a Berlin style airlift The older generation were scared /blackmailed into voting to stay, it will be independence next time can't see them wanting to stay connected to the corrupt tories. For sure the rest of Europe would have helped the Scots Itâs interesting how rude folk are to people who voted differently to them. People who voted Brexit were stupid racists People who voted against Scottish Independence were timorous beasties.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 15, 2020 12:51:04 GMT
Youâre probably right but the pro EU media in U.K. would have quickly latched on the the "law breaking" element of the bill amendment. Itâs laughable imo that we are being held up as international law breaking pariahs when EU members break EU laws, rules and legislation to suit themselves without as much as a murmur from the international community. Boris is giving remainers the opportunity of latching on to yet another delay in proceedings or worse to weaken the governments vs EU stance on Brexit hence the appearance of the nobodies Blair, Major, Brown, Cameron, May and Ed Elastic Band popping their heads above the parapet over the last few days. What about the died in the wool Tory Brexiteers that are up in arms, is he giving them the same opportunity also? Fair comment but with a majority of 80 seats in HOC, the first voting on the amended bill had a majority of 77. There canât be that many "dyed in the wool up in arms Tory Brexiteers" can there?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 12:52:36 GMT
The older generation were scared /blackmailed into voting to stay, it will be independence next time can't see them wanting to stay connected to the corrupt tories. For sure the rest of Europe would have helped the Scots Itâs interesting how rude folk are to people who voted differently to them. People who voted Brexit were stupid racists People who voted against Scottish Independence were timorous beasties. It's strange how people react. Vote for who you want, own your decision and come the next election or referendum vote in (hopefully) good faith. I would also extend it to those who gloat saying "you lost we won" like it's some football match and you're fans of the opposition teams. Again all very strange, like celebrating winning the toss in cricket without seeing how the action unfolds.......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 12:53:49 GMT
What about the died in the wool Tory Brexiteers that are up in arms, is he giving them the same opportunity also? Fair comment but with a majority of 80 seats in HOC, the first voting on the amended bill had a majority of 77. There canât be that many "dyed in the wool up in arms Torry Brexiteers" can there? That was the easy bit though in fairness.....
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 15, 2020 13:00:05 GMT
The older generation were scared /blackmailed into voting to stay, it will be independence next time can't see them wanting to stay connected to the corrupt tories. For sure the rest of Europe would have helped the Scots Itâs interesting how rude folk are to people who voted differently to them. People who voted Brexit were stupid racists People who voted against Scottish Independence were timorous beasties. Interesting, So what are remainers and what are Scottish independence voters. Also timorous could be taken for a different type of insult, ,,,.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2020 13:07:34 GMT
Who pi$$ed in your irn bru this morning ? Labour voted to not guarentee the EU could not prevent food being moved into the uk. Its a trade agreement, they got broken all the time including by the EU who by not negogiating in good faith are breaking this one too. But yeah the uk will be a pariah people actually believe that shit ? China is currently conducting a genocide of the uighur muslims and most countries are just looking at their shoes but maybe break a trade agreement sometime in the future..... This The Israelis are persecuting Arabs and thieving land against international law China are ethnic cleansing Muslims against international law The Burmese government are ethnic cleansing Muslims against international law Syria are killing there own citizen's against international law And sadly I'm sure many more can be added to that deplorable list And yet the pathetic inept opposition whinges about a possible infringement that may occur if the EU try to blockade food to a part of the UK Yes a part of the UK not a part of the EU For balance
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 15, 2020 13:10:40 GMT
Fair comment but with a majority of 80 seats in HOC, the first voting on the amended bill had a majority of 77. There canât be that many "dyed in the wool up in arms Torry Brexiteers" can there? That was the easy bit though in fairness..... Yes it was but to get the 77 majority in the vote many opposing MPs had to support the bill. Especially considering that 30 Tories abstained and 2 voted against.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 13:25:38 GMT
That was the easy bit though in fairness..... Yes it was but to get the 77 majority in the vote many opposing MPs had to support the bill. Especially considering that 30 Tories abstained and 2 voted against. Abstaining was a cop out. You're either take a principled stance or you don't. Full respect to the two who voted against whatever your views on the subject matter......
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 15, 2020 13:54:20 GMT
Yes it was but to get the 77 majority in the vote many opposing MPs had to support the bill. Especially considering that 30 Tories abstained and 2 voted against. Abstaining was a cop out. You're either take a principled stance or you don't. Full respect to the two who voted against whatever your views on the subject matter...... How many of the opposition abstained or even worse couldn't be arsed to vote at all
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 14:00:21 GMT
Abstaining was a cop out. You're either take a principled stance or you don't. Full respect to the two who voted against whatever your views on the subject matter...... How many of the opposition abstained or even worse couldn't be arsed to vote at all Not sure, but the sentiment is absolutely the same.....
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 15, 2020 14:04:52 GMT
But they had the sense not to Anyway I'm sure Scotland friends in the eu could of done a Berlin style airlift The older generation were scared /blackmailed into voting to stay, it will be independence next time can't see them wanting to stay connected to the corrupt tories. For sure the rest of Europe would have helped the Scots Scottish independence is dead in the water Untill at least 2024/25 And wee Jimmy krankie can scream and scream and scream untill she's sick for how much good it will do her Of course are beloved leader Boris could play a blinder and tell her she can have her vote two months after Shetland and the orkneys have there's Good luck on wee Jimmy convincing the Scottish people to vote for a separate curency a potential hard boarder And no oil as Shetland will have buggerd off with it They had there once in a lifetime chance and blew it
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 15, 2020 15:11:18 GMT
What have any of these examples got to do with the long long list of lies and examples of negligence arising from Boris Johnsons time in office and well, his whole life in general. I don't get it, can one of you BJ voters tell me, what is the appeal, why are you so loyal to him? And don't just castigate other politicians or other parties, or 'woke lefties'. Don't turn to lies as well, show some back bone and tell me, what is it about the man and his party that inspires your loyalty? As an aside, I'm not loyal to any party. None at all, the party system has brought about a disaster on this country What makes you think I am a "Bore us" Johnson voter? I voted to "get Brexit done" which clearly was in doubt with Corbyn. If I could of voted for the Brexit party I would have. I am not loyal to any party either. I learnt my lesson as a young man when an active member of the Liberal Party and extremely pro EEC membership. But I was stupid enough to support Thorpe, Smith, & Co. but eventually realised these politicians will say anything to get your vote and change policies with popular opinion to grab power, and have the morals of a whore house. I also think there is a lot to learn from other countries' systems and little to gain or improve. How many EU leaders are guilty of corruption?
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Post by lordb on Sept 15, 2020 16:08:09 GMT
What have any of these examples got to do with the long long list of lies and examples of negligence arising from Boris Johnsons time in office and well, his whole life in general. I don't get it, can one of you BJ voters tell me, what is the appeal, why are you so loyal to him? And don't just castigate other politicians or other parties, or 'woke lefties'. Don't turn to lies as well, show some back bone and tell me, what is it about the man and his party that inspires your loyalty? As an aside, I'm not loyal to any party. None at all, the party system has brought about a disaster on this country What makes you think I am a "Bore us" Johnson voter? I voted to "get Brexit done" which clearly was in doubt with Corbyn. If I could of voted for the Brexit party I would have. I am not loyal to any party either. I learnt my lesson as a young man when an active member of the Liberal Party and extremely pro EEC membership. But I was stupid enough to support Thorpe, Smith, & Co. but eventually realised these politicians will say anything to get your vote and change policies with popular opinion to grab power, and have the morals of a whore house. I also think there is a lot to learn from other countries' systems and little to gain or improve. How many EU leaders are guilty of corruption? How many EU leaders are guilty of corruption? no more or less than ours
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2020 16:09:53 GMT
What have any of these examples got to do with the long long list of lies and examples of negligence arising from Boris Johnsons time in office and well, his whole life in general. I don't get it, can one of you BJ voters tell me, what is the appeal, why are you so loyal to him? And don't just castigate other politicians or other parties, or 'woke lefties'. Don't turn to lies as well, show some back bone and tell me, what is it about the man and his party that inspires your loyalty? As an aside, I'm not loyal to any party. None at all, the party system has brought about a disaster on this country What makes you think I am a "Bore us" Johnson voter? I voted to "get Brexit done" which clearly was in doubt with Corbyn. If I could of voted for the Brexit party I would have. I am not loyal to any party either. I learnt my lesson as a young man when an active member of the Liberal Party and extremely pro EEC membership. But I was stupid enough to support Thorpe, Smith, & Co. but eventually realised these politicians will say anything to get your vote and change policies with popular opinion to grab power, and have the morals of a whore house. I also think there is a lot to learn from other countries' systems and little to gain or improve. How many EU leaders are guilty of corruption? And , a question that I've yet to have answered, how did we ever, here in the UK, scrutinise their politicians and policies? Apparently our leaders must be scrutinised minute by minute....and yet the EU decisions/leaders are hardly ever raised.....and the EU Parliament was sovereign over the UK Parliament.....so they should have been under greater scrutiny. In my experience, the EU Parliament is full of enthusiastic people who are well aware that they are on a good number......very little real passion...more formality, administration like....why rock the boat?
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 15, 2020 16:38:48 GMT
What makes you think I am a "Bore us" Johnson voter? I voted to "get Brexit done" which clearly was in doubt with Corbyn. If I could of voted for the Brexit party I would have. I am not loyal to any party either. I learnt my lesson as a young man when an active member of the Liberal Party and extremely pro EEC membership. But I was stupid enough to support Thorpe, Smith, & Co. but eventually realised these politicians will say anything to get your vote and change policies with popular opinion to grab power, and have the morals of a whore house. I also think there is a lot to learn from other countries' systems and little to gain or improve. How many EU leaders are guilty of corruption? And , a question that I've yet to have answered, how did we ever, here in the UK, scrutinise their politicians and policies? Apparently our leaders must be scrutinised minute by minute....and yet the EU decisions/leaders are hardly ever raised.....and the EU Parliament was sovereign over the UK Parliament.....so they should have been under greater scrutiny. In my experience, the EU Parliament is full of enthusiastic people who are well aware that they are on a good number......very little real passion...more formality, administration like....why rock the boat? The bastion of true socialists arse firmly on the gravy train like the kinnocks for example
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 15, 2020 18:00:05 GMT
And , a question that I've yet to have answered, how did we ever, here in the UK, scrutinise their politicians and policies? Apparently our leaders must be scrutinised minute by minute....and yet the EU decisions/leaders are hardly ever raised.....and the EU Parliament was sovereign over the UK Parliament.....so they should have been under greater scrutiny. In my experience, the EU Parliament is full of enthusiastic people who are well aware that they are on a good number......very little real passion...more formality, administration like....why rock the boat? The bastion of true socialists arse firmly on the gravy train like the kinnocks for example Add "had to resign twice" Lord Mendelson with his ÂŁ30,000 pa EU pension, which is a bit short of Kinnock's ÂŁ90,000 pa pension. All true working class champions.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 15, 2020 18:32:26 GMT
What makes you think I am a "Bore us" Johnson voter? I voted to "get Brexit done" which clearly was in doubt with Corbyn. If I could of voted for the Brexit party I would have. I am not loyal to any party either. I learnt my lesson as a young man when an active member of the Liberal Party and extremely pro EEC membership. But I was stupid enough to support Thorpe, Smith, & Co. but eventually realised these politicians will say anything to get your vote and change policies with popular opinion to grab power, and have the morals of a whore house. I also think there is a lot to learn from other countries' systems and little to gain or improve. How many EU leaders are guilty of corruption? How many EU leaders are guilty of corruption? no more or less than ours With the best will in the world, from what we've been seeing lately, it's highly unlikely to be less.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 15, 2020 20:02:53 GMT
Professor Michael Dougan picks apart the criminal delinquency of what Boris Johnson's government did last night, and plans to do in the next few weeks. His full Twitter thread: 1) As we know, Parliament is now considering whether to empower Johnson to override, directly & deliberately, two clear and precise legal obligations under the very Withdrawal Agreement he signed with the EU: controls on goods from NI to GB; and state aid rules in relation to NI... 2) & as we know, those breaches of international law risk range of very serious consequences. Not least for NI: state aid regime is necessary to prevent unfair dumping of UK goods into EU and is therefore an integral part of avoiding a âhard borderâ across the island of Ireland. 3) So already Johnson is consciously provoking EU into either allowing Single Market to be compromised by unfair UK trade practices or taking appropriate steps to safeguard its external frontiers by instigating controls on NI trade. & thinks he can then blame EU for âhard borderâ. 4) What can EU do about it? Withdrawal Agreement provides that, during transition, dispute settlement is via European Court of Justice (not arbitration): Commission can bring proceedings v. UK, for ECJ to deliver binding ruling; if UK doesnât comply, ECJ can impose £⏠penalties. 5) Problem is: thatâs still âjustâ international law and UKIM Bill would authorise Johnson regime simply to ignore also any CJEU rulings or penalties against UK here. Ultimately, if UK wants to provoke full-scale crisis, EUâs response would have to be political and diplomatic. 6) But just as important as what Bill actually says, is how Tories are presenting it / claims they are making to justify their international delinquency. Because those claims bear little relationship to the actual contents of the Bill â total, shocking dishonesty and propaganda⌠7) 1st, Johnson claims EU is planning to prevent GB foodstuffs entering NI, effectively imposing a âblockadeâ. 2nd, also claims EU is insisting on âextremeâ interpretation that would require GB goods entering NI to pay EU customs duties. 2 serious problems with Johnson's claims. 8) First major problem: this Bill wouldnât actually do *anything* to address those alleged problems, since it does not empower UK to disapply any of provisions of Protocol governing the movement of goods from GB into NI. So Johnsonâs claims are totally irrelevant and misleading. 9) Second major problem: those arenât âextremeâ interpretations. They're clear and obvious: eg Protocol says ALL GB goods presumed at risk of entering EU & must pay EU customs unless proven otherwise. Joint Comm has power to determine what counts as âotherwiseâ. But rule is clear. 10) So even problems Johnson is complaining about are problems he negotiated, signed, sold in the election as âtriumphâ of his diplomacy, told his MPs to pass through Parliament and agreed with EU as a matter of binding international law. For him to complain now? Totally indecent. 11) Serious worry now? Having made such fuss about blockades/extreme interpretations, Johnson will bring forward fresh proposals to authorise UK *also* to breach provisions of Protocol governing trade in goods from GB into NI. If so: would escalate already difficult situation x10. 12) In such situation, Johnson would effectively be ripping up treaty that seeks to protect Ireland (north & south) from inherently damaging consequences of UK decision to leave the EU, Customs Union & Single Market. As if years of complex & difficult negotiations never happened. 13) EU would have little choice but to act, to safeguard its borders & protect its citizens. But make no mistake: UK would be solely responsible for creation of a âhard borderâ across Ireland that would directly undermine the Good Friday Agreement and jeopardise the peace process. 14) And no amount of Tory propaganda could trivialise the situation (âoh, but other countries break the law all the timeâŚâ) or to fool anyone, save their own fanatical & bigoted support base, that the UK is the injured party (âoh, the nasty foreigners have been bullying usâŚâ) 15) So Johnson has set this country on a trajectory that is as serious as it is shocking: risks making UK a threat not just to rules-based international order that UK itself helped create; but also to international peace and security in Ireland and therefore in Europe.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 16, 2020 0:21:05 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2020 19:20:47 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 16, 2020 20:35:15 GMT
Although, presidents negotiate trade deals Congress votes on them! Looks like Boris has upset the Irish American constituency?
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 16, 2020 21:31:52 GMT
Although, presidents negotiate trade deals Congress votes on them! Looks like Boris has upset the Irish American constituency? Maybe they'll start clubbing together again and start funding the murder of innocent British subjects like the last time
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