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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2020 16:19:06 GMT
I think it's acceptable for people to move somewhere for a better life, yes. That might be moving out of their parent's house, moving to a neighbouring town, or, god forbid, moving out of the country. Have you moved anywhere by the way? If so, did you do it for the benefit of everyone else or for yourself? Yes I moved to Norfolk twenty odd years ago For the benefit of my four sons I was bringing up on my own so I have answerd your question Now how about answer mine do you think it is acceptable for people to flee the country because they don't like the result of a democratic vote Then when things start going wrong crawl back and expect the public services to bale them out of the shit A simple yes or no will suffice if you can get that close to a answer I remember loads of comfortably off wankers who hate paying tax threatening to leave the country if Corbyn got in. The real elites in this country literally shit themselves in 2017 when the realised they were just a few hundred votes away from having to pay their dues, that's why they ensured it wouldn't happened again. When push comes to shove people like that would rather clap people in the care sector than actually have to do something as vulgar as pay for them.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2020 16:25:35 GMT
Yes I moved to Norfolk twenty odd years ago For the benefit of my four sons I was bringing up on my own so I have answerd your question Now how about answer mine do you think it is acceptable for people to flee the country because they don't like the result of a democratic vote Then when things start going wrong crawl back and expect the public services to bale them out of the shit A simple yes or no will suffice if you can get that close to a answer I remember loads of comfortably off wankers who hate paying tax threatening to leave the country if Corbyn got in. The real elites in this country literally shit themselves in 2017 when the realised they were just a few hundred votes away from having to pay their dues, that's why they ensured it wouldn't happened again. When push comes to shove people like that would rather clap people in the care sector than actually have to do something as vulgar as pay for them. So what is your opinion on people leaving the country because of Brexit Then many years later when life gets tough they come waltzing back to this great country they couldn't wait to leave
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2020 16:35:43 GMT
I remember loads of comfortably off wankers who hate paying tax threatening to leave the country if Corbyn got in. The real elites in this country literally shit themselves in 2017 when the realised they were just a few hundred votes away from having to pay their dues, that's why they ensured it wouldn't happened again. When push comes to shove people like that would rather clap people in the care sector than actually have to do something as vulgar as pay for them. So what is your opinion on people leaving the country because of Brexit Then many years later when life gets tough they come waltzing back to this great country they couldn't wait to leave Most Brexiteers told Remainers to fuck off if they didn't like it by my recollection! Whats you view of absolute dickheads like Duncan Smith actually voting for less scrutiny of the withdrawal bill, then voting for said withdrawal bill now saying the withdrawal bill is effectively shit?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 4, 2020 17:03:08 GMT
I remember loads of comfortably off wankers who hate paying tax threatening to leave the country if Corbyn got in. The real elites in this country literally shit themselves in 2017 when the realised they were just a few hundred votes away from having to pay their dues, that's why they ensured it wouldn't happened again. When push comes to shove people like that would rather clap people in the care sector than actually have to do something as vulgar as pay for them. So what is your opinion on people leaving the country because of Brexit Then many years later when life gets tough they come waltzing back to this great country they couldn't wait to leave People have done that long before Brexit and presumably will do so long after Brexit, usually for tax-dodging purposes. Indeed, given his history of working abroad, BigJohnRitchie's mouthpiece MrCoke would also be excluded. Once you're British you have a right to come back to the country to live (certain current terrorist emigrees excepted) so unless you're advocating taking away British citizenship for anyone who spends more than 'a holiday' abroad, that's the way it is. You could always add banning anyone who's spent more than a month or so abroad from coming back, alongside leaving NATO and the WTO!
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2020 17:09:12 GMT
So what is your opinion on people leaving the country because of Brexit Then many years later when life gets tough they come waltzing back to this great country they couldn't wait to leave Most Brexiteers told Remainers to fuck off if they didn't like it by my recollection! Whats you view of absolute dickheads like Duncan Smith actually voting for less scrutiny of the withdrawal bill, then voting for said withdrawal bill now saying the withdrawal bill is effectively shit? My opinion on Duncan Smith voting for the withdrawal bill is he did what was necessary to ensure Brexit was delivered Do I agree with it no I would of left straight after the referendum without a withdrawal agreement Once again similar to rip any chance of your opinion on people leaving then returning much later with medical and social needs expecting those who stayed to pick the bill up
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2020 17:19:41 GMT
So what is your opinion on people leaving the country because of Brexit Then many years later when life gets tough they come waltzing back to this great country they couldn't wait to leave People have done that long before Brexit and presumably will do so long after Brexit, usually for tax-dodging purposes. Indeed, given his history of working abroad, BigJohnRitchie's mouthpiece MrCoke would also be excluded. Once you're British you have a right to come back to the country to live (certain current terrorist emigrees excepted) so unless you're advocating taking away British citizenship for anyone who spends more than 'a holiday' abroad, that's the way it is. You could always add banning anyone who's spent more than a month or so abroad from coming back, alongside leaving NATO and the WTO! Yes people have always done it and yes they are a touch hypocritical to return when they suddenly need the country But that is life Should they be banned from returning of course not But this discussion started when one of this threads most ardent remainers was almost gloating as they linked a artical about people leaving because of Brexit I merely pointed out a certain level of hypocrisy If they decide to return to a successful independent Britain when life gets tough
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 4, 2020 17:24:04 GMT
Personally I don't think that an average increase of 16,810 each year for two years is particularly significant out of the 16m who voted remain. I think it is the Guardian trying to make alot out of nothing, and use/ manipulate statistics ( eg.the Guardian says"The study also shows a 500% increase in those who made the move and then took up citizenship in an EU state".....the actual study does not say that .....it talks about an increase in those seeking naturalisation in EU countries.In any case they talk of 500% increase without giving actual numbers, 500% sounds better) to create the story. In my opinion what we should be concerned about is the origins of the report and their agenda. I think that we always need to question the OECD, I am beginning to think, more and more, that there is collaboration to control what we are told.......the European Commission, in the form of Eurostat ( yet another EU branch, funded by us) has special status within the EU, as shown by the link below......they are the authors of the report. From the report..... "Analysis of data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) and Eurostat shows that migration from Britain to EU states averaged 56,832 people a year in 2008-15, growing to 73,642 a year in 2016-18.".....a difference of 16810....not many really. Status of the European Commission within the OECD...... direct copy from the link below.... The status of the European Commission within the OECD is unique. Supplementary Protocol No. 1 to the OECD Convention states that "The European Commission shall take part in the work of the Organisation". This has been summarised as follows: "The representative of the Commission has almost the same rights as Member countries. He or she has the right to speak at any point and not just at the end of a session as is often the case for observers. He or she may be elected as a member of the bureau of subsdiary bodies, participate fully in the preparation of texts, including legal acts and has an unrestricted right to make proposals and suggest changes". However, the representative of the Commission does not have the right to vote and does not officially take part in the adoption of legal acts submitted to the Council. Status of the European Commission within the OECD - OECD www.oecd.org/legal/europeancommissionstatus.htm
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Post by maxplonk on Aug 4, 2020 17:52:10 GMT
People have done that long before Brexit and presumably will do so long after Brexit, usually for tax-dodging purposes. Indeed, given his history of working abroad, BigJohnRitchie's mouthpiece MrCoke would also be excluded. Once you're British you have a right to come back to the country to live (certain current terrorist emigrees excepted) so unless you're advocating taking away British citizenship for anyone who spends more than 'a holiday' abroad, that's the way it is. You could always add banning anyone who's spent more than a month or so abroad from coming back, alongside leaving NATO and the WTO! Yes people have always done it and yes they are a touch hypocritical to return when they suddenly need the country But that is life Should they be banned from returning of course not But this discussion started when one of this threads most ardent remainers was almost gloating as they linked a artical about people leaving because of Brexit I merely pointed out a certain level of hypocrisy If they decide to return to a successful independent Britain when life gets tough I posted a link without comment. How you get to "almost gloating" from that probably says much more about your bias than any I might have.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2020 18:01:53 GMT
Yes people have always done it and yes they are a touch hypocritical to return when they suddenly need the country But that is life Should they be banned from returning of course not But this discussion started when one of this threads most ardent remainers was almost gloating as they linked a artical about people leaving because of Brexit I merely pointed out a certain level of hypocrisy If they decide to return to a successful independent Britain when life gets tough I posted a link without comment. How you get to "almost gloating" from that probably says much more about your bias than any I might have. Call it a sixth sense
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 4, 2020 18:14:47 GMT
I think it's acceptable for people to move somewhere for a better life, yes. That might be moving out of their parent's house, moving to a neighbouring town, or, god forbid, moving out of the country. Have you moved anywhere by the way? If so, did you do it for the benefit of everyone else or for yourself? Yes I moved to Norfolk twenty odd years ago For the benefit of my four sons I was bringing up on my own so I have answerd your question Now how about answer mine do you think it is acceptable for people to flee the country because they don't like the result of a democratic vote Then when things start going wrong crawl back and expect the public services to bale them out of the shit A simple yes or no will suffice if you can get that close to a answer Yes. It's called free will. You're also assuming that everyone that is moving voted to Remain, when there's ample examples of Leave voters emigrating e.g. Tommy Robinson, Nigel Lawson etc. I'm also in favour of you being able to get any support you wish/need if you 'crawl back' from Norfolk at any point by the way. I don't believe moving from somewhere means you instantly cut any ties you have with that place.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2020 18:18:09 GMT
Most Brexiteers told Remainers to fuck off if they didn't like it by my recollection! Whats you view of absolute dickheads like Duncan Smith actually voting for less scrutiny of the withdrawal bill, then voting for said withdrawal bill now saying the withdrawal bill is effectively shit? My opinion on Duncan Smith voting for the withdrawal bill is he did what was necessary to ensure Brexit was delivered So he wanted an unscrutinised, bad piece of legislation, which will course long term harm to the British people, just to meet an arbitary date. Once again the electoral prospects of the Conservative and Unionist Parties takes pecedence over the good of the country. Of course Duncan Smith won't be down the Labour Exchange or trying to claim one of his own designed poor baiting benefits when it goes tits up. Of course we all know what comes after that.
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Post by maxplonk on Aug 4, 2020 18:22:30 GMT
I posted a link without comment. How you get to "almost gloating" from that probably says much more about your bias than any I might have. Call it a sixth sense "Bollocks" seems a more appropriate label.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 4, 2020 18:27:28 GMT
To give everyone an idea, the gross number of immigrants arriving in the country per year has gone up below 30% in the last 20 years (2000-2020).
So it seems we can all chill out about immigration, as 30% is a relatively small statistical anomaly for an increase.
Nothing to see here.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 4, 2020 18:29:01 GMT
Yes I moved to Norfolk twenty odd years ago For the benefit of my four sons I was bringing up on my own so I have answerd your question Now how about answer mine do you think it is acceptable for people to flee the country because they don't like the result of a democratic vote Then when things start going wrong crawl back and expect the public services to bale them out of the shit A simple yes or no will suffice if you can get that close to a answer Yes. It's called free will. You're also assuming that everyone that is moving voted to Remain, when there's ample examples of Leave voters emigrating e.g. Tommy Robinson, Nigel Lawson etc. I'm also in favour of you being able to get any support you wish/need if you 'crawl back' from Norfolk at any point by the way. I don't believe moving from somewhere means you instantly cut any ties you have with that place. Nigel has lived in France for years. Did Tommy vote Leave?...He was close to the then UKIP leader, but it was a private, individual vote. Why is he "emmigrating ", if he is?....Not because of the Brexit vote....but threats to his family. In the fullness of time hopefully emmigration/ immigration to and from the European nations and the UK will continue if it suits the individuals and countries concerned......but at present of course we are in a period of transition and adjustment so there are bound to be blips, anomalies and changes in patterns of behaviour.....Brexit needs to have an impact....Let's hope that each side genuinely works for the good of its' citizens and does not try to make political capital( power) out of every occurrence.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 4, 2020 18:31:35 GMT
To give everyone an idea, the gross number of immigrants arriving in the country has gone up below 30% in the last 20 years (2000-2020). So it seems we can all chill out about immigration, as 30% is a relatively small statistical anomaly for an increase. Nothing to see here. Correct, the issue is " Who controls immigration" and following Brexit the obligation, responsibility, ability and opportunity of the UK government to take back control.....these things take time
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2020 18:33:28 GMT
Yes I moved to Norfolk twenty odd years ago For the benefit of my four sons I was bringing up on my own so I have answerd your question Now how about answer mine do you think it is acceptable for people to flee the country because they don't like the result of a democratic vote Then when things start going wrong crawl back and expect the public services to bale them out of the shit A simple yes or no will suffice if you can get that close to a answer Yes. It's called free will. You're also assuming that everyone that is moving voted to Remain, when there's ample examples of Leave voters emigrating e.g. Tommy Robinson, Nigel Lawson etc. I'm also in favour of you being able to get any support you wish/need if you 'crawl back' from Norfolk at any point by the way. I don't believe moving from somewhere means you instantly cut any ties you have with that place. Oh I can guarantee I shan't crawl the sixty odd miles back from Norfolk But I'm not talking about people moving within the UK I'm talking about people leaving the UK because as the guardian article says Brexit Should they be able to waltz back in say thirty years time if there health declines and rely on the NHS to treat them Some would say no they shouldn't I would disagree But that doesn't alter the fact they are total hypocrites
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2020 18:39:02 GMT
"Bollocks" seems a more appropriate label. Sorry I hadn't realised you have accepted the referendum result
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 4, 2020 19:57:46 GMT
So what is your opinion on people leaving the country because of Brexit Then many years later when life gets tough they come waltzing back to this great country they couldn't wait to leave People have done that long before Brexit and presumably will do so long after Brexit, usually for tax-dodging purposes. Indeed, given his history of working abroad, BigJohnRitchie's mouthpiece MrCoke would also be excluded. Once you're British you have a right to come back to the country to live (certain current terrorist emigrees excepted) so unless you're advocating taking away British citizenship for anyone who spends more than 'a holiday' abroad, that's the way it is. You could always add banning anyone who's spent more than a month or so abroad from coming back, alongside leaving NATO and the WTO! Sorry, RW&B, you're wrong again. I've worked for the French for 7 years, with a boss in Paris, worked for an Anglo Dutch company and for some time had a Dutch boss in Ijmuiden, had Indian bosses, sat on a European committee for many years and chaired it for 3 years, spent a lot of my time visiting those countries, plus North America and many European countries, but did it all managing businesses in the UK. I have lived in Wales 5 times, so maybe I shouldn't be allowed to retire to the heart of God's country in Easingwold.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 4, 2020 20:13:54 GMT
People have done that long before Brexit and presumably will do so long after Brexit, usually for tax-dodging purposes. Indeed, given his history of working abroad, BigJohnRitchie's mouthpiece MrCoke would also be excluded. Once you're British you have a right to come back to the country to live (certain current terrorist emigrees excepted) so unless you're advocating taking away British citizenship for anyone who spends more than 'a holiday' abroad, that's the way it is. You could always add banning anyone who's spent more than a month or so abroad from coming back, alongside leaving NATO and the WTO! Sorry, RW&B, you're wrong again. I've worked for the French for 7 years, with a boss in Paris, worked for an Anglo Dutch company and for some time had a Dutch boss in Ijmuiden, had Indian bosses, sat on a European committee for many years and chaired it for 3 years, spent a lot of my time visiting those countries, plus North America and many European countries, but did it all managing businesses in the UK. I have lived in Wales 5 times, so maybe I shouldn't be allowed to retire to the heart of God's country in Easingwold. I stand corrected. Just as well, you wouldn't have been allowed back in wagaworld!
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2020 20:45:00 GMT
Sorry, RW&B, you're wrong again. I've worked for the French for 7 years, with a boss in Paris, worked for an Anglo Dutch company and for some time had a Dutch boss in Ijmuiden, had Indian bosses, sat on a European committee for many years and chaired it for 3 years, spent a lot of my time visiting those countries, plus North America and many European countries, but did it all managing businesses in the UK. I have lived in Wales 5 times, so maybe I shouldn't be allowed to retire to the heart of God's country in Easingwold. I stand corrected. Just as well, you wouldn't have been allowed back in wagaworld! Where have I said I wouldnt allow anyone in If you care to search my posting history you will find posts looking forward to the influx of immigrants from Hong Kong etc I have never been against immigration All I have done is point out the possible hypocrisy of remain voters who can't or won't accept a democratic decision Then proudly announce there willingness to leave the UK If they then come waltzing back when they need help
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 5, 2020 7:32:08 GMT
I stand corrected. Just as well, you wouldn't have been allowed back in wagaworld! Where have I said I wouldnt allow anyone in If you care to search my posting history you will find posts looking forward to the influx of immigrants from Hong Kong etc I have never been against immigration All I have done is point out the possible hypocrisy of remain voters who can't or won't accept a democratic decision Then proudly announce there willingness to leave the UK If they then come waltzing back when they need help Perfectly fine as long as they don't come crawling back when they become ill or to old and need care Good job BJR's ventriloquist was always UK based, eh Heaven help him if he'd worked abroad for a period of time, then needed to come 'crawling back' at some point...
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 5, 2020 8:52:41 GMT
Where have I said I wouldnt allow anyone in If you care to search my posting history you will find posts looking forward to the influx of immigrants from Hong Kong etc I have never been against immigration All I have done is point out the possible hypocrisy of remain voters who can't or won't accept a democratic decision Then proudly announce there willingness to leave the UK If they then come waltzing back when they need help Perfectly fine as long as they don't come crawling back when they become ill or to old and need care Good job BJR's ventriloquist was always UK based, eh Heaven help him if he'd worked abroad for a period of time, then needed to come 'crawling back' at some point... Have you ever considered a touch of counselling As you're developing a slight fixation on a certain ventriloquist Id hate you to suddenly wake up and find yourself having slept walked with a half full glass of water reciting the alphabet
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 5, 2020 9:06:52 GMT
Where have I said I wouldnt allow anyone in If you care to search my posting history you will find posts looking forward to the influx of immigrants from Hong Kong etc I have never been against immigration All I have done is point out the possible hypocrisy of remain voters who can't or won't accept a democratic decision Then proudly announce there willingness to leave the UK If they then come waltzing back when they need help Perfectly fine as long as they don't come crawling back when they become ill or to old and need care Good job BJR's ventriloquist was always UK based, eh Heaven help him if he'd worked abroad for a period of time, then needed to come 'crawling back' at some point... I hope that I'm not making you worse , apologies if so.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 5, 2020 13:40:44 GMT
Where have I said I wouldnt allow anyone in If you care to search my posting history you will find posts looking forward to the influx of immigrants from Hong Kong etc I have never been against immigration All I have done is point out the possible hypocrisy of remain voters who can't or won't accept a democratic decision Then proudly announce there willingness to leave the UK If they then come waltzing back when they need help Perfectly fine as long as they don't come crawling back when they become ill or to old and need care Good job BJR's ventriloquist was always UK based, eh Heaven help him if he'd worked abroad for a period of time, then needed to come 'crawling back' at some point... Speaking of ventriloquists, how come you were chatting to yourself the other day, mate? 😊
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 6, 2020 0:54:18 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2020 7:54:00 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 6, 2020 8:34:07 GMT
As a leave voter who is happy on wto terms I couldn't give a flying fuck
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 9:00:29 GMT
As a leave voter who is happy on wto terms I couldn't give a flying fuck But you're not happy on WTO terms. You don't want a deal with any conditions. WTO terms come with conditions, tariffs and external legal interference and adjudication.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 6, 2020 10:15:22 GMT
As a leave voter who is happy on wto terms I couldn't give a flying fuck But you're not happy on WTO terms. You don't want a deal with any conditions. WTO terms come with conditions, tariffs and external legal interference and adjudication. I have said from the out set of this tread I wanted a no deal Anyone who has two functional brain cells realise that means wto terms Nowhere have I said I am against wto terms What I am against is any deal with the eu that involves any judicial interference from the eu Complete control of British waters Complete judicial independence The complete right to subsidies where when and what amount we wish I want the cherry on the cake the cake itself the crumbs And to be able to lick the plate
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 10:37:25 GMT
But you were arguing on the State of the Union thread for complete independence and no conditions on trade or external interference at all.
You won't get that with WTO rules.
You either sign up to the rules of the WTO club, abiding by its external legal and adjudication service or you don't and trade entirely independently.
Which one do you now want?
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