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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 21, 2020 9:06:18 GMT
Those people who are desperate to see the EU fail? Good luck to them as long as they don't try and make any demands on us. All the hand wringing over the £32.9bn exit fee was built up as some kind of punitive sum. It's a third of HS2, less than this months £39.9bn borrowing fuelled by Covid. The only thing stopping a swift and amicable split was political will on both sides leading to a messy divorce. Let it go, she isn't coming back. We're now a third country so they'll make demands on us in the same way that all other countries negotiating with us over various things will - ie to get the best deal for themselves (just like we will also try to do). That £39bn was legally signed up to budgetary commitments that we'll end up paying one way or another, either by agreement through a deal or in the courts. The usual "go whistle" bluff and bluster from Johnson played nicely with the dog whistle crowd but it was only ever grandstanding nonsense on his part (as usual). I think the thing stopping a swift and amicable split was the complete fracturing down the middle of this country, no more no less! The paralysis of our politics for the last four years! Not sure the EU can be blamed for that! I'm well aware we're on the way to finally severing all ties, I'm now keen to see how all the promises play out!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 21, 2020 9:28:36 GMT
Good luck to them as long as they don't try and make any demands on us.All the hand wringing over the £32.9bn exit fee was built up as some kind of punitive sum. It's a third of HS2, less than this months £39.9bn borrowing fuelled by Covid. The only thing stopping a swift and amicable split was political will on both sides leading to a messy divorce. Let it go, she isn't coming back. We're now a third country so they'll make demands on us in the same way that all other countries negotiating with us over various things will - ie to get the best deal for themselves (just like we will also try to do). That £39bn was legally signed up to budgetary commitments that we'll end up paying one way or another, either by agreement through a deal or in the courts. The usual "go whistle" bluff and bluster from Johnson played nicely with the dog whistle crowd but it was only ever grandstanding nonsense on his part (as usual). I think the thing stopping a swift and amicable split was the complete fracturing down the middle of this country, no more no less! The paralysis of our politics for the last four years! Not sure the EU can be blamed for that! I'm well aware we're on the way to finally severing all ties, I'm now keen to see how all the promises play out! I was referring specifically to today's €750bn virus recovery fund not the ongoing cut and thrust of trade and other negotiations. Sorry if that wasn't clear. The problem/saving grace for both sides is Covid will muddy the Brexit effect. Which bucket do you place each up/downside in Brexit or Covid?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 21, 2020 10:20:00 GMT
Where are Huddy, Crapto, Nic & the gang?
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 21, 2020 10:51:21 GMT
Where are Huddy, Crapto, Nic & the gang? Ah, but they are saying that’s because the Government didn’t ask them to look into it. It will undoubtedly lead to a demand for a re run of the referendum. As long at it takes four years to do so then fine, after all it seems only fair to delay matters this long to balance out the orchestrated delays to leave that have still not seen us leave.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 21, 2020 11:22:36 GMT
Where are Huddy, Crapto, Nic & the gang? They haven't looked for any!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 21, 2020 11:26:18 GMT
Where are Huddy, Crapto, Nic & the gang? Ah, but they are saying that’s because the Government didn’t ask them to look into it. It will undoubtedly lead to a demand for a re run of the referendum. As long at it takes four years to do so then fine, after all it seems only fair to delay matters this long to balance out the orchestrated delays to leave that have still not seen us leave. Naah, much more likely that we will leave finally on 31 Dec. Any inquiry will then take place after that, with a report published sometime around 2024. A bit like the way this report was delayed until Bluffer got the election over with! What was waga saying about corruption?!
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Post by Kilo on Jul 21, 2020 13:29:47 GMT
Have you actually bothered to read the story? They've just agreed to borrow more money than they've ever borrowed before. They can't keep doing that when it's only Germany now paying into the pot. It's hardly a positive story for their future.
What's the difference to what our government is doing on that score? Apart from going it alone and isolating itself, that is? I think it shows bloc unity. Something most brexiteers have been saying (hoping) was falling apart for the last four years. As I've said many times already, the EU will adapt and evolve just like it's done over the last 60 years of its existence, thus depriving the brexiteers of their wishful thinking. It's not only Germany paying into the pot. Last time I checked there were ten net contributors, including us. And the net recipients will slowly decrease in receipts as their individual economies grow stronger as a result of this investment. Look at Poland's GDP since they joined in 2003. You could call this wealth redistribution or, to make it more palatable to the right, trickle down economics! In that way more of Europe becomes better off, people are less inclined to migrate to other countries for work and pay, less immigration for brexiteers to get upset about - what's not to like?! Shouldn't you change your username to lb? Excluding Germany, the other eight countries combined add up to what the UK were contributing so the figures still aren't going to stack up. I don't believe all Brexiteers WANT the EU to fail as you state, I suspect like me, they would like it to run smoothly so we can remain close friends and trade freely but just don't see how it can continue succesfully in the current way it is funded.
The only realistic way any country can succesfully run is with a capitalist economy generating wealth. From my experience, the only people who constantly wish to refer to immigration are remaniacs telling everybody that it was the fundamental reason why the majority voted to leave.
My nickname has followed me from school and was originally generated from my surname and I have no intention of trying to change it as I came off much better than my mate, Aquapig.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 21, 2020 14:20:41 GMT
Ah, but they are saying that’s because the Government didn’t ask them to look into it. It will undoubtedly lead to a demand for a re run of the referendum. As long at it takes four years to do so then fine, after all it seems only fair to delay matters this long to balance out the orchestrated delays to leave that have still not seen us leave. Naah, much more likely that we will leave finally on 31 Dec. Any inquiry will then take place after that, with a report published sometime around 2024. A bit like the way this report was delayed until Bluffer got the election over with! What was waga saying about corruption?! I have read your posts today and despair at your constant rhetoric. Please understand: 1. We have left the EU. We would have left a lot sooner if it were not for people like you who who will not accept the will of the people not to be governed by bureaucracy in Brussels and be part of a corrupt organisation. We want to be free to govern ourselves like USA, China, South Korea, Mexico, Russia, Japan, Australia, Canada, India, Indonesia, and hundreds of other countries. We have enough of our own currupt and incompetent politicians and want to retain the ability to vote them out. 2. Only an idiot wants to see the EU collapse. It is not in our interests. Personally I think it will eventually fail like the Soviet Union, as individual nations will want to break free like the Irish have from the UK in the past, and maybe the Scots do today. I would be quite happy to have a close relationship with them but not be subservient to the EU. 3. The economic package the EU have "agreed", which has to go through that rubber stamping organization called the European parliament, you know the one that moves backwards and forwards between Belgium and France, makes me feel delighted we got out just in time with £39 billion. That now seems chicken feed compared with what the pandemic economic damage is going to cost us, and what our contributions would have been if we decided to stay in the EU. Incidentally if the UK was still in the EU, how happy do you think the British nation would be agreeing to stump up £10billions of loans to Mediterranean countries, which I fully expect they will fritter away. 4. I am not starry-eyed about our future outside the EU. We can expect a rough ride to start with as we adjust. As I've posted before, I fully expect it to take decades for the full benefits to work through as the world economy evolves. The most importantly, we are now free to manage our owns affairs without interference, although I expect European lorry drivers and fishermen have yet to try and impose their will on us.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 21, 2020 14:38:30 GMT
Have you actually bothered to read the story? They've just agreed to borrow more money than they've ever borrowed before. They can't keep doing that when it's only Germany now paying into the pot. It's hardly a positive story for their future.
What's the difference to what our government is doing on that score? Apart from going it alone and isolating itself, that is? I think it shows bloc unity. Something most brexiteers have been saying (hoping) was falling apart for the last four years. As I've said many times already, the EU will adapt and evolve just like it's done over the last 60 years of its existence, thus depriving the brexiteers of their wishful thinking. It's not only Germany paying into the pot. Last time I checked there were ten net contributors, including us. And the net recipients will slowly decrease in receipts as their individual economies grow stronger as a result of this investment. Look at Poland's GDP since they joined in 2003. You could call this wealth redistribution or, to make it more palatable to the right, trickle down economics! In that way more of Europe becomes better off, people are less inclined to migrate to other countries for work and pay, less immigration for brexiteers to get upset about - what's not to like?! Shouldn't you change your username to lb? Shouldn't you change yours to bluenyellow? 😊
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 21, 2020 15:12:08 GMT
What's the difference to what our government is doing on that score? Apart from going it alone and isolating itself, that is? I think it shows bloc unity. Something most brexiteers have been saying (hoping) was falling apart for the last four years. As I've said many times already, the EU will adapt and evolve just like it's done over the last 60 years of its existence, thus depriving the brexiteers of their wishful thinking. It's not only Germany paying into the pot. Last time I checked there were ten net contributors, including us. And the net recipients will slowly decrease in receipts as their individual economies grow stronger as a result of this investment. Look at Poland's GDP since they joined in 2003. You could call this wealth redistribution or, to make it more palatable to the right, trickle down economics! In that way more of Europe becomes better off, people are less inclined to migrate to other countries for work and pay, less immigration for brexiteers to get upset about - what's not to like?! Shouldn't you change your username to lb? Shouldn't you change yours to bluenyellow? 😊 Merkron has a certain je ne sais quoi
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 21, 2020 15:21:07 GMT
Naah, much more likely that we will leave finally on 31 Dec. Any inquiry will then take place after that, with a report published sometime around 2024. A bit like the way this report was delayed until Bluffer got the election over with! What was waga saying about corruption?! I have read your posts today and despair at your constant rhetoric. Please understand: 1. We have left the EU. We would have left a lot sooner if it were not for people like you who who will not accept the will of the people not to be governed by bureaucracy in Brussels and be part of a corrupt organisation. We want to be free to govern ourselves like USA, China, South Korea, Mexico, Russia, Japan, Australia, Canada, India, Indonesia, and hundreds of other countries. We have enough of our own currupt and incompetent politicians and want to retain the ability to vote them out. 2. Only an idiot wants to see the EU collapse. It is not in our interests. Personally I think it will eventually fail like the Soviet Union, as individual nations will want to break free like the Irish have from the UK in the past, and maybe the Scots do today. I would be quite happy to have a close relationship with them but not be subservient to the EU. 3. The economic package the EU have "agreed", which has to go through that rubber stamping organization called the European parliament, you know the one that moves backwards and forwards between Belgium and France, makes me feel delighted we got out just in time with £39 billion. That now seems chicken feed compared with what the pandemic economic damage is going to cost us, and what our contributions would have been if we decided to stay in the EU. Incidentally if the UK was still in the EU, how happy do you think the British nation would be agreeing to stump up £10billions of loans to Mediterranean countries, which I fully expect they will fritter away. 4. I am not starry-eyed about our future outside the EU. We can expect a rough ride to start with as we adjust. As I've posted before, I fully expect it to take decades for the full benefits to work through as the world economy evolves. The most importantly, we are now free to manage our owns affairs without interference, although I expect European lorry drivers and fishermen have yet to try and impose their will on us. 1.It's a free country, you're perfectly at liberty to challenge a democratic decision using further democratic process, the law itself or any other legal method. It's better than shooting somebody after all. If it was such a strong and convincing argument that appealed to everybody, you're right we would have left many years ago. 2.I agree, but there are plenty of idiots on this very thread who have regularly expressed a wish to see the EU fall apart. The most cursory of glances back through it will throw similar comments up. 3.I don't have a problem helping out others in need, whether that be individuals or other countries, through personal donations or more generally through taxation or the redistribution of wealth via a process like the EU's annual spending programme or the current coronavirus rescue package. However, I agree that there would be a massive sales job to get you and many like you to agree to do something like that, especially for those Mediterranean countries which will just "fritter it away". That does speak volumes. In purely financial terms, it would probably amount to about what we spend on national debt interest payments every year without much whining, but I fully accept that the outlook of many people in this country would preclude such largesse. 4. We'll see. Let's hope we're both around long enough to be able to decide if it was positive or negative.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 21, 2020 15:31:37 GMT
What's the difference to what our government is doing on that score? Apart from going it alone and isolating itself, that is? I think it shows bloc unity. Something most brexiteers have been saying (hoping) was falling apart for the last four years. As I've said many times already, the EU will adapt and evolve just like it's done over the last 60 years of its existence, thus depriving the brexiteers of their wishful thinking. It's not only Germany paying into the pot. Last time I checked there were ten net contributors, including us. And the net recipients will slowly decrease in receipts as their individual economies grow stronger as a result of this investment. Look at Poland's GDP since they joined in 2003. You could call this wealth redistribution or, to make it more palatable to the right, trickle down economics! In that way more of Europe becomes better off, people are less inclined to migrate to other countries for work and pay, less immigration for brexiteers to get upset about - what's not to like?! Shouldn't you change your username to lb? Excluding Germany, the other eight countries combined add up to what the UK were contributing so the figures still aren't going to stack up. I don't believe all Brexiteers WANT the EU to fail as you state, I suspect like me, they would like it to run smoothly so we can remain close friends and trade freely but just don't see how it can continue succesfully in the current way it is funded. The only realistic way any country can succesfully run is with a capitalist economy generating wealth. From my experience, the only people who constantly wish to refer to immigration are remaniacs telling everybody that it was the fundamental reason why the majority voted to leave.
My nickname has followed me from school and was originally generated from my surname and I have no intention of trying to change it as I came off much better than my mate, Aquapig.
Yes and as I've said previously, without our contributions they will no doubt set a new budget accordingly. I never said all brexiteers want the EU to fail. I do wish people would read what is written and not make up their own arguments! Immigration was regularly cited as the central reason for voting Leave (see below). There's a lot of revisionism going on in that regard - it's now all about sovereignty of course. The comment about your username was an attempt at levity, hence the winky. Aquapig, there must be a story there... csi.nuff.ox.ac.uk/?p=1153
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 21, 2020 15:36:59 GMT
Where are Huddy, Crapto, Nic & the gang? Ah, but they are saying that’s because the Government didn’t ask them to look into it. It will undoubtedly lead to a demand for a re run of the referendum. As long at it takes four years to do so then fine, after all it seems only fair to delay matters this long to balance out the orchestrated delays to leave that have still not seen us leave. Exactly, unlike the Americans our government never asked our intelligence services to look into this issue! I wonder why? With all that Russian monies sloshing around London and Boris playing tennis for monies too?!
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 21, 2020 15:55:48 GMT
Where are Huddy, Crapto, Nic & the gang? I'm not sure if youre across the developments of this today but, as per, Herr Farage did not only jump the gun on this but pretty much finished the race.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 21, 2020 17:18:51 GMT
I'm not sure if youre across the developments of this today but, as per, Herr Farage did not only jump the gun on this but pretty much finished the race. Been a bit busy mate to be honest so only been popping on now & then. Giz a quick rundown of the evidence then, just a bunch of bullet points will do. Cheers!
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jul 21, 2020 17:24:33 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 21, 2020 18:13:02 GMT
I'm not sure if youre across the developments of this today but, as per, Herr Farage did not only jump the gun on this but pretty much finished the race. Been a bit busy mate to be honest so only been popping on now & then. Giz a quick rundown of the evidence then, just a bunch of bullet points will do. Cheers! I'd recommend it on catch up in full, just to get the full flavour really. The questions following were equally as gripping. However key points in bullet point format below: - UK government did not seek/bother to investigate whether Russian interference took place during the 2016 referendum*
- Credible open source information highlighting Russia sought to interfere with Indy Ref 1 in Scotland. (This highlights threat to democracy or more affectionately known as will of the people)
- Links between Russian Elite and UK politics (both parties and in particular HOL)
[/s] No 10. do not want to dig any deeper into the 2016 referendum because [insert your own reason here] Comrade Johnson is yet to comment.[/ul]
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 21, 2020 18:14:24 GMT
Now is not the time... Take back control (and give it to Moscow)
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 21, 2020 21:25:04 GMT
What's the difference to what our government is doing on that score? Apart from going it alone and isolating itself, that is? I think it shows bloc unity. Something most brexiteers have been saying (hoping) was falling apart for the last four years. As I've said many times already, the EU will adapt and evolve just like it's done over the last 60 years of its existence, thus depriving the brexiteers of their wishful thinking. It's not only Germany paying into the pot. Last time I checked there were ten net contributors, including us. And the net recipients will slowly decrease in receipts as their individual economies grow stronger as a result of this investment. Look at Poland's GDP since they joined in 2003. You could call this wealth redistribution or, to make it more palatable to the right, trickle down economics! In that way more of Europe becomes better off, people are less inclined to migrate to other countries for work and pay, less immigration for brexiteers to get upset about - what's not to like?! Shouldn't you change your username to lb? Excluding Germany, the other eight countries combined add up to what the UK were contributing so the figures still aren't going to stack up. I don't believe all Brexiteers WANT the EU to fail as you state, I suspect like me, they would like it to run smoothly so we can remain close friends and trade freely but just don't see how it can continue succesfully in the current way it is funded.
The only realistic way any country can succesfully run is with a capitalist economy generating wealth. From my experience, the only people who constantly wish to refer to immigration are remaniacs telling everybody that it was the fundamental reason why the majority voted to leave.
My nickname has followed me from school and was originally generated from my surname and I have no intention of trying to change it as I came off much better than my mate, Aquapig.
350 million a day, now where is it
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 21, 2020 21:29:18 GMT
1.It's a free country, you're perfectly at liberty to challenge a democratic decision using further democratic process, the law itself or any other legal method. It's better than shooting somebody after all. If it was such a strong and convincing argument that appealed to everybody, you're right we would have left many years ago. 2.I agree, but there are plenty of idiots on this very thread who have regularly expressed a wish to see the EU fall apart. The most cursory of glances back through it will throw similar comments up. 3.I don't have a problem helping out others in need, whether that be individuals or other countries, through personal donations or more generally through taxation or the redistribution of wealth via a process like the EU's annual spending programme or the current coronavirus rescue package. However, I agree that there would be a massive sales job to get you and many like you to agree to do something like that, especially for those Mediterranean countries which will just "fritter it away". That does speak volumes. In purely financial terms, it would probably amount to about what we spend on national debt interest payments every year without much whining, but I fully accept that the outlook of many people in this country would preclude such largesse. 4. We'll see. Let's hope we're both around long enough to be able to decide if it was positive or negative. 1. The has been a concerted effort by remoaners to overturn the referendum vote. That's not a democratic process, but the British public made it's view perfectly clear in December to get Brexit done. 3. Charity starts at home, not bent Italian politicians, or Greeks who don't pay taxes, and Spaniards who try and intimidate British subjects in Gibraltar and deprive Catalonia of their right to vote on their independance. The agreed rescue package is £100billions and many tax payers in the Netherlands, Austria, and Sweden are going to be deeply unhappy, as well as the action fuelling support of right wing parties in Europe. German and French governments have managed the pandemic well up to now, but this decision is going to be extremely devisive in their countries. I'm certain the French will be rioting again if they don't see a lot of the money coming their way. You need to start reading the news instead of just the daily mail grandad. If you did you'd see that brexit means far more barriers to trade, and brexit is an act of self destruction orchestrated by a foreign power looking to weaken its enemies, by sponsoring extremist right wing politics in this country and spreading the kind of disinformation or vague baseless deluded ideas that you are passing off as your own thoughts on here. You voted brexit, you voted tory, you were duped and voted for traitors. Traitors who have wreaked destruction on this country. You voted for an idea which is soon going to result in the nhs being'on the table' and the biggest attack on parliamentary sovereignty for hundreds of years, by a man who was labelled a liar by a court of law, who lied to parliament, and who along with his treacherous cohort has passed legislation meaning parliament will now not be involved in the scrutiny of trade deals. It marks the end of this country being a progressive nation, but you just keep telling yourself you came up with your misinformed childish naive opinions all by yourself and you weren't brainwashed by the right wing press.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 21, 2020 21:37:19 GMT
The ISC urged Boris Johnson to order a review of "potential" Russian interference in the Brexit referendum - a call swiftly rejected by the government".
Traitor. He and his supporters are traitors to this country and its people.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2020 6:05:39 GMT
1.It's a free country, you're perfectly at liberty to challenge a democratic decision using further democratic process, the law itself or any other legal method. It's better than shooting somebody after all. If it was such a strong and convincing argument that appealed to everybody, you're right we would have left many years ago. 2.I agree, but there are plenty of idiots on this very thread who have regularly expressed a wish to see the EU fall apart. The most cursory of glances back through it will throw similar comments up. 3.I don't have a problem helping out others in need, whether that be individuals or other countries, through personal donations or more generally through taxation or the redistribution of wealth via a process like the EU's annual spending programme or the current coronavirus rescue package. However, I agree that there would be a massive sales job to get you and many like you to agree to do something like that, especially for those Mediterranean countries which will just "fritter it away". That does speak volumes. In purely financial terms, it would probably amount to about what we spend on national debt interest payments every year without much whining, but I fully accept that the outlook of many people in this country would preclude such largesse. 4. We'll see. Let's hope we're both around long enough to be able to decide if it was positive or negative. 1. The has been a concerted effort by remoaners to overturn the referendum vote. That's not a democratic process, but the British public made it's view perfectly clear in December to get Brexit done. 3. Charity starts at home, not bent Italian politicians, or Greeks who don't pay taxes, and Spaniards who try and intimidate British subjects in Gibraltar and deprive Catalonia of their right to vote on their independance. The agreed rescue package is £100billions and many tax payers in the Netherlands, Austria, and Sweden are going to be deeply unhappy, as well as the action fuelling support of right wing parties in Europe. German and French governments have managed the pandemic well up to now, but this decision is going to be extremely devisive in their countries. I'm certain the French will be rioting again if they don't see a lot of the money coming their way. 1. In a democracy you are allowed to challenge decisions by campaigning, protesting, legal action and other lawful processes. (The law itself often being put in place, or changed, by the very same democratic processes). 3. Finally the mask slips. That response really does speak volumes. Charity begins at home in the UK and screw everyone else. Plus a nice little list of crooked foreigners there. It is quite astonishing how Brexit was apparently never about xenophobia but when push comes to shove, whenever Brexiteers have nowhere else to go it always comes back to this.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 22, 2020 6:45:54 GMT
1. The has been a concerted effort by remoaners to overturn the referendum vote. That's not a democratic process, but the British public made it's view perfectly clear in December to get Brexit done. 3. Charity starts at home, not bent Italian politicians, or Greeks who don't pay taxes, and Spaniards who try and intimidate British subjects in Gibraltar and deprive Catalonia of their right to vote on their independance. The agreed rescue package is £100billions and many tax payers in the Netherlands, Austria, and Sweden are going to be deeply unhappy, as well as the action fuelling support of right wing parties in Europe. German and French governments have managed the pandemic well up to now, but this decision is going to be extremely devisive in their countries. I'm certain the French will be rioting again if they don't see a lot of the money coming their way. 1. In a democracy you are allowed to challenge decisions by campaigning, protesting, legal action and other lawful processes. (The law itself often being put in place, or changed, by the very same democratic processes). 3. Finally the mask slips. That response really does speak volumes. Charity begins at home in the UK and screw everyone else. Plus a nice little list of crooked foreigners there. It is quite astonishing how Brexit was apparently never about xenophobia but when push comes to shove, whenever Brexiteers have nowhere else to go it always comes back to this. What has he said that is not true Are you saying the Greeks are renowned for paying taxes Are you saying every Italian government since World War two and there have been many have an excellent record on corruption Do you suggest the Spanish government has treated the people of Gibraltar in the manner it treats its own citizens And it has fairly dealt with the problem of catalonia Are you saying that eu funds and bailouts will not be used to strengthen authoritarian governments in Poland and Hungary Now even you must admit the French has a penchant for the odd riot or two
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2020 7:42:03 GMT
I just thought it was revealing that the response to the possibility of the UK providing funds to help out other countries in their time of need was met by a response that MrCoke is glad the UK won't have to and what amounted to little more than a xenophobic rant towards those countries.
As I've said many times, Brexiteers often try to present reasoned arguments on trade, sovereignty, law-making, accountability, etc etc but when it comes down to it, the absolute crux of it all is nearly always "we're the UK, fuck everyone else". I think Coke's revealed his true colours at last.
If we're going to hold back help based on perceptions of who is suitable to receive it, why stop at national boundaries? Why not take away UK regional development packages from areas with high unemployment, why bother trying to "level up" areas of deprivation (which is basically the main area of EU spending year after year) - they'll only "fritter it away". I mean, there must be a reason why these areas of the UK are so deprived, or perhaps they've brought it all on themselves like the foreigners have and also don't deserve any assistance?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2020 7:55:25 GMT
Please believe me, I never lie, says Boris...
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 22, 2020 8:47:26 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2020 9:26:27 GMT
I'm quite surprised by Starkiller's absence on this one. Normally, he's all over "following the money" and stuff like this...
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Post by starkiller on Jul 22, 2020 9:37:41 GMT
I'm quite surprised by Starkiller's absence on this one. Normally, he's all over "following the money" and stuff like this... Yes I watched 15 minutes of total waffle dressed up as news on the TV that gave nothing about how Russia affected my vote. Just another way for these terminal losers to dismiss the will of the majority. A vote ratified in subsequent elections. The only connection between Russia and my vote was the desire not to be stuck in the EUSSR.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2020 10:06:52 GMT
I'm quite surprised by Starkiller's absence on this one. Normally, he's all over "following the money" and stuff like this... Yes I watched 15 minutes of total waffle dressed up as news on the TV that gave nothing about how Russia affected my vote. Just another way for these terminal losers to dismiss the will of the majority. A vote ratified in subsequent elections. The only connection between Russia and my vote was the desire not to be stuck in the EUSSR. But you normally love a good conspiracy theory. Why so disinterested in this one?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2020 10:10:58 GMT
From the ISC report:
It was only when Russia completed a ‘hack and leak’ operation against the Democratic National Committee in the US – with the stolen emails being made public a month after the EU referendum – that it appears that the [UK] Government belatedly realised the level of threat which Russia could pose in this area, given that the risk thresholds in the Kremlin had clearly shifted, describing the US ‘hack and leak’ as a “game changer”, and admitting that “prior to what we saw in the States, [Russian interference] wasn’t generally understood as a big threat to [electoral] processes”.
It appears that the Intelligence Community did learn lessons from the US experience, and HMG recognised the Russian threat to the UK’s democratic processes and political discourse. In May 2017, the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC) concluded that “***” and that “***”. Had the relevant parts of the Intelligence Community conducted a similar threat assessment prior to the [EU] referendum, it is inconceivable that they would not have reached the same conclusion as to Russian intent, which might then have led them to take action to protect the process.
And some folk wonder why others might wish to investigate the full context of our democratic processes!
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