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Post by Timmypotter on Jul 6, 2020 12:42:32 GMT
He did that to take the piss out of Gazza! Yep, I was just being daft. We like to take the mickey out of family friends in Germany and say that they all behave like Andreas Moller after scoring that peno.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2020 12:46:49 GMT
I remember how many people were very annoyed by that posturing, completely oblivious to the context!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 6, 2020 13:52:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 9:22:36 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 7, 2020 10:48:07 GMT
Dammit those pesky little englanders There's us decent understanding Europeans Quite willing to treat the UK as any other sovereign country
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 7, 2020 16:55:29 GMT
Dammit those pesky little englanders There's us decent understanding Europeans Quite willing to treat the UK as any other sovereign country Oh well, more evidence the EU are squirming. Don’t like being told no do they. Have to laugh at the suggestion we aren’t negotiating in good faith and are nationalistic, like they are any different. Hopefully be soon rid of them for good and Boris holds his nerve.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 8, 2020 11:23:48 GMT
More squirming no doubt EU 'ready' for full Brexit border checks next year, Barnier claims Michel Barnier said there would be customs controls from January 1, even though the UK won't be ready for full border checks until July Michel Barnier said the checks were a mechanical consequence of Brexit. The European Union will introduce full border checks with the UK on January 1, despite Britain introducing customs controls on EU goods more slowly and whether or not the two sides agree a trade deal. Michel Barnier warned a House of Lords Committee that Brussels “will not delay things”, despite a Government U-Turn, which meant full controls on imports to the UK not being imposed for another six months after the EU. The UK announced a gradual three phased implementation of border checks in June after previously insisting that checks would be inevitable. Full border checks will now only apply on EU goods entering the UK from July 2021. The EU’s chief negotiator told peers that the EU was, in contrast to the UK, ready for Britain to leave the Customs Union and Single Market at the end of the transition period on January 1. The European Commission official said that every UK product imported into the EU would face checks once the Brexit transition period finished at the end of the year, whether there was a trade deal or not. “All products coming into the Single Market through the borders in Ireland, Belgium, the Netherlands, and France or elsewhere will have to be checked, which of course is not the case today,” Mr Barnier said, according to a transcript of the June 23 meeting, which was published on Monday. “We have recruited customs officers, 750 in the Netherlands, 700 in France, close to 400 in Belgium and many in Ireland as well, because we will have to carry out checks on products coming into the European Union,” Mr Barnier said. “We are ready,” Mr Barnier said, “everyone has to accept their responsibilities. We have accepted ours.” Customs and haulage industry leaders warned in May that the UK was falling “many thousands” short of its target to train an estimated 50,000 new customs agents that would be needed after Brexit. British businesses fear that the UK government's planned entirely new IT system to check goods heading to the European Union won't be ready in time, it was reported last week. British businesses fear long queues at the Port of Dover after the end of the transition period. Mr Barnier said, “As of 1 January, all products coming in to the Single Market—coming from any third [non-EU- country anywhere in the world, including yours, because you are a third country—will be checked.” “If there is no deal, there would be tariffs and quotas on top of that, which would be very cumbersome and very complicated but we would have to do that.” Failure to strike a trade deal by the end of the transition period will mean the UK and EU trading on less lucrative WTO terms with tariffs and quotas. Intensified negotiations continue this week in London and next in Brussels. Mr Barnier revealed that the EU had offered the UK a “precautionary” extension to the transition period but the UK had rejected it. The offer, similar to the “flextension” the EU granted the UK to the Article 50 process in March 2019, would have been triggered if talks were not finalised by the end of the year. The extension would end when the free trade deal was agreed. UK sources confirmed that the British government had always been clear it would never extend the transition period. The deadline for any extension request was June 30 and has now passed. Mr Barnier said, “We were open to an extension, even a precautionary extension, in case of need, making allowance for one before 30 June, even if in practice we did not need to use it, or all of it. “But the UK refused to do that, so that means that time is of the essence for the negotiations.” “We recognise the impact that coronavirus has had on UK businesses," a government source said after the June U-Turn on border checks. "As we take back control of our laws and our borders at the end of this year, we will take a pragmatic and flexible approach to help business adjust to the changes and opportunities of being outside the Single Market and the Customs Union." Mr Barnier will have a private fish dinner of halibut in Downing Street with his UK counterpart David Frost on Tuesday evening. Number 10 said the pair, who have struggled to bridge deep divides between the deadlocked sides will meet for “informal talks” with their teams on Wednesday. No ministers will be present at the dinner but “one or two” officials from each side could attend and Downing Street said social distancing rules will be obeyed.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 8, 2020 11:27:48 GMT
Priti Patel refuses to set target date for ending illegal migrants crossing Channel on small boats
Priti Patel has refused to set a new target for reducing illegal migrant crossings to an "infrequent phenomenon.”
Despite aiming to eradicate the migrants by Spring this year when she became Home Secretary, she said she would not set a target date, adding that crossings were a "complicated issue" and the English Channel has become "far too viable for criminals".
Less than a year ago she vowed "urgent action" on the dangerous crossings, pledging to make them an “infrequent phenomenon.”
However, more than 2,300 migrants - using everything from small boats, inflatable dinghies to kayaks - have crossed to the UK in the first six months of 2020, overtaking the total of 1,890 for the entire year of 2019.
The Home Secretary told the Press Association on Monday there were "far too many crossings."
Asked if there was a new target date for the crossings to be reduced to an "infrequent phenomenon," she replied: "No. The fact of the matter is, I've said from day one this is a complicated issue. Illegal migration has been a feature of every single Government.
"The fact of the matter is, and I have repeatedly said this, when it comes to small boats in particular that is a route that has become far too viable for criminals."
Ms Patel added: "Camps in Calais, northern France has become a magnet basically for criminals to come in, facilitate people trafficking and that's why we have to work with the French authorities to get on top of this and stop this."
The Home Secretary is planning to bring in new laws after Britain leaves the EU to make it easier to return cross-Channel migrants to France, Priti Patel said on Wednesday.
She plans to replace the current agreement with France and the EU with a new legal framework that will allow Britain to return illegal migrants whether caught on sea or land.
Ms Patel said the new laws would enable the UK “to do much more to enforce this principle that if you come from a safe country, you will be going back to that safe country. You will not be able to claim asylum in this country.”
This is the supposed principle behind the Dublin agreement that makes any EU country in which any asylum seeker first applies for asylum responsible for processing the claim.
But Home Office sources say the agreement is “rigid and restrictive” as it prevents the UK returning migrants who have dodged fingerprint and identity checks as they have made their way across the EU, often through numerous countries where they should have been processed.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 13, 2020 15:28:17 GMT
I must admit I'm intrigued to seeing how this pans out...! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53382818As one of the comments underneath the story says: So you're happy for non-EU people to replace EU workers. Migration will not reduce. Britain will become more culturally diverse. This is all good but I'm not sure it's what some Brexiteers voted for. The last sentence doesn't apply to anyone on here, of course. The comment below has to be a wind-up, surely...! 78. Posted by Viva Brexit on 5 hours ago More EXCELLENT news from Boris who is doing a BRILLIANT job AGAIN but still some people dont want to admit hes done so good because it doest fit there agenders ! Were full and dont need any more people when theres already english people who cant get a job because the left want all our nurses and docters to be forern ! You never know...!
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 13, 2020 16:50:52 GMT
I must admit I'm intrigued to seeing how this pans out...! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53382818As one of the comments underneath the story says: So you're happy for non-EU people to replace EU workers. Migration will not reduce. Britain will become more culturally diverse. This is all good but I'm not sure it's what some Brexiteers voted for. The last sentence doesn't apply to anyone on here, of course. The comment below has to be a wind-up, surely...! 78. Posted by Viva Brexit on 5 hours ago More EXCELLENT news from Boris who is doing a BRILLIANT job AGAIN but still some people dont want to admit hes done so good because it doest fit there agenders ! Were full and dont need any more people when theres already english people who cant get a job because the left want all our nurses and docters to be forern ! You never know...! I heard an interview on this at lunchtime today where a critic of the Government tied himself up in knots by attacking something he is supposed to be in favour of. Meaning, as I understood him, he is concerned that low paid care jobs will be left unfilled because because the salary for that work falls below the threshold and British workers who could do that work won’t do it for that salary. He accepted the Government expects employers to address this by paying a higher salary. But for some reason couldn’t bring himself to say this is a good thing. Of course, it may not be achieved but wage depression caused by unskilled low wage immigration has always been a major beef of the unions. Which seems fair enough to me.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2020 7:15:49 GMT
Paying a decent wage for British workers could well be a benefit of Brexit, but what's stopping employers doing that right now? The fact that as profit making organizations, which most care homes are, they will exploit whatever labour market they can to keep costs down.
So let's assume the new immigration laws prevent this. (They obviously won't, it'll just be a different set of migrants allowed in under some fudge, but we'll ignore that for the time being!)
What will employers do? Pay Brits more to fill the jobs. Great. Ok, so then what? Their costs have just gone up. Do they agree to make less profit? Or do they charge more for each care home occupant to make up the shortfall? I think we can all agree which one it's likely to be...so it all gets more expensive for everybody and fewer people will be able to afford it.
Never mind, at least we've got our sovereignty 'back'!
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 15, 2020 9:40:52 GMT
Our new immigration laws will need to take into consideration the following
We are about to experience our biggest falls in population since records began.
The trend is frightening actually.
The number of over 80s globally will soar from 141 million to 866 million in the next 80 years and this trend applies most severely in Europe, Japan and the USA
Who will support these? There is only one option and that is younger people, who are diminishing from our societies rapidly.
A conservative estimate is that the number of under 5's will drop by 300 million in the same period.
Though it might seem good that the population is going to fall, look at the shift and you see that we will very soon that there will be huge competition between countries to import young migrants. That is in fact the only option to subsidise this ageing population.
Closing our borders to young immigrants is actually economic suicide. We will need a significant amount in coming years.
The only other 'hope' would be a very powerful virus that kills off older people, but it would probably need to be more powerful than Covid-19.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 15, 2020 15:11:20 GMT
All For One and One For ……… oh, hang on… All for One and Everyone for themselves!The proof of the EU pudding is in the eating and even the Uber-Supportive Guardian has to admit that when push comes to shove, European unity between nations is some way behind national security and national interest. Who could have guessed? When Italy Called, nobody was at home....
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 15, 2020 15:40:29 GMT
All For One and One For ……… oh, hang on… All for One and Everyone for themselves!The proof of the EU pudding is in the eating and even the Uber-Supportive Guardian has to admit that when push comes to shove, European unity between nations is some way behind national security and national interest. Who could have guessed? When Italy Called, nobody was at home.... Health services are a national responsibility not a EU one. One minute you're complaining about the EUSSR and the next minute you're saying there isn't enough centralisation. Make your mind up.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 15, 2020 16:44:28 GMT
All For One and One For ……… oh, hang on… All for One and Everyone for themselves!The proof of the EU pudding is in the eating and even the Uber-Supportive Guardian has to admit that when push comes to shove, European unity between nations is some way behind national security and national interest. Who could have guessed? When Italy Called, nobody was at home.... Health services are a national responsibility not a EU one. One minute you're complaining about the EUSSR and the next minute you're saying there isn't enough centralisation. Make your mind up. I’m saying neither. What I AM saying is that for all the talk of a ‘United States of Europe’ (both for & against), when the chips are down National Interest trumps European Union and that all the EU bollocks of every closer union is just that – bollocks. And it will lead to much trouble in the future unless it is halted.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 15, 2020 17:17:54 GMT
All the more reason to have unity, I'd have thought?
In much the same way that a united England has persisted for 1000 years and the UK has lasted 300 years, although I agree the current administration is doing a fine job of destroying it!
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jul 15, 2020 18:55:24 GMT
Paying a decent wage for British workers could well be a benefit of Brexit, but what's stopping employers doing that right now? The fact that as profit making organizations, which most care homes are, they will exploit whatever labour market they can to keep costs down. So let's assume the new immigration laws prevent this. (They obviously won't, it'll just be a different set of migrants allowed in under some fudge, but we'll ignore that for the time being!) What will employers do? Pay Brits more to fill the jobs. Great. Ok, so then what? Their costs have just gone up. Do they agree to make less profit? Or do they charge more for each care home occupant to make up the shortfall? I think we can all agree which one it's likely to be...so it all gets more expensive for everybody and fewer people will be able to afford it. Never mind, at least we've got our sovereignty 'back'! You clearly think it's perfectly reasonable to exploit Eastern Europeans then. That's interesting and explains your love of the EU.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 16, 2020 6:41:51 GMT
Paying a decent wage for British workers could well be a benefit of Brexit, but what's stopping employers doing that right now? The fact that as profit making organizations, which most care homes are, they will exploit whatever labour market they can to keep costs down. So let's assume the new immigration laws prevent this. (They obviously won't, it'll just be a different set of migrants allowed in under some fudge, but we'll ignore that for the time being!) What will employers do? Pay Brits more to fill the jobs. Great. Ok, so then what? Their costs have just gone up. Do they agree to make less profit? Or do they charge more for each care home occupant to make up the shortfall? I think we can all agree which one it's likely to be...so it all gets more expensive for everybody and fewer people will be able to afford it. Never mind, at least we've got our sovereignty 'back'! You clearly think it's perfectly reasonable to exploit Eastern Europeans then. That's interesting and explains your love of the EU. I should imagine there's quite a few remainers willing to turn I blind eye whilst the get there leased German cars washed cheaply
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 16, 2020 6:48:09 GMT
Strange conclusion to jump to, Soro.
No, I'd like nobody to be exploited and everyone to receive a fair wage for the job they do.
Not sure you can really blame the EU for profit making companies seeking to exploit cheap Labour costs, it happened before the EU, during, and it'll happen after. That's capitalism, not the EU!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 21, 2020 6:24:08 GMT
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Post by Kilo on Jul 21, 2020 7:27:48 GMT
Have you actually bothered to read the story? They've just agreed to borrow more money than they've ever borrowed before. They can't keep doing that when it's only Germany now paying into the pot. It's hardly a positive story for their future.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 21, 2020 7:57:55 GMT
Have you actually bothered to read the story? They've just agreed to borrow more money than they've ever borrowed before. They can't keep doing that when it's only Germany now paying into the pot. It's hardly a positive story for their future.
What's the difference to what our government is doing on that score? Apart from going it alone and isolating itself, that is? I think it shows bloc unity. Something most brexiteers have been saying (hoping) was falling apart for the last four years. As I've said many times already, the EU will adapt and evolve just like it's done over the last 60 years of its existence, thus depriving the brexiteers of their wishful thinking. It's not only Germany paying into the pot. Last time I checked there were ten net contributors, including us. And the net recipients will slowly decrease in receipts as their individual economies grow stronger as a result of this investment. Look at Poland's GDP since they joined in 2003. You could call this wealth redistribution or, to make it more palatable to the right, trickle down economics! In that way more of Europe becomes better off, people are less inclined to migrate to other countries for work and pay, less immigration for brexiteers to get upset about - what's not to like?! Shouldn't you change your username to lb?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 21, 2020 8:14:52 GMT
Have you actually bothered to read the story? They've just agreed to borrow more money than they've ever borrowed before. They can't keep doing that when it's only Germany now paying into the pot. It's hardly a positive story for their future.
What's the difference to what our government is doing on that score? Apart from going it alone and isolating itself, that is? I think it shows bloc unity. Something most brexiteers have been saying (hoping) was falling apart for the last four years. As I've said many times already, the EU will adapt and evolve just like it's done over the last 60 years of its existence, thus depriving the brexiteers of their wishful thinking. It's not only Germany paying into the pot. Last time I checked there were ten net contributors, including us. And the net recipients will slowly decrease in receipts as their individual economies grow stronger as a result of this investment. Look at Poland's GDP since they joined in 2003. You could call this wealth redistribution or, to make it more palatable to the right, trickle down economics! In that way more of Europe becomes better off, people are less inclined to migrate to other countries for work and pay, less immigration for brexiteers to get upset about - what's not to like?! Shouldn't you change your username to lb? It took them over four days So much for the United will the original 500 billion in grants has been watered down to 380 billion with further conditions attached Yet again a fudge that keeps the lid on but keeps the growing resentment bubbling along nicely
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 21, 2020 8:17:49 GMT
Who gives a shit. We have left.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 21, 2020 8:26:05 GMT
Who gives a shit. We have left. Exactly. I don’t give a flying monkey about the EU so long as they have zero say in matters affecting the UK. If others still want to cling on to the EU as being the great beacon for togetherness and Utopian living, well that’s up to them and more evidence that they need to talk to someone to deal with their loss.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 21, 2020 8:28:54 GMT
What's the difference to what our government is doing on that score? Apart from going it alone and isolating itself, that is? I think it shows bloc unity. Something most brexiteers have been saying (hoping) was falling apart for the last four years. As I've said many times already, the EU will adapt and evolve just like it's done over the last 60 years of its existence, thus depriving the brexiteers of their wishful thinking. It's not only Germany paying into the pot. Last time I checked there were ten net contributors, including us. And the net recipients will slowly decrease in receipts as their individual economies grow stronger as a result of this investment. Look at Poland's GDP since they joined in 2003. You could call this wealth redistribution or, to make it more palatable to the right, trickle down economics! In that way more of Europe becomes better off, people are less inclined to migrate to other countries for work and pay, less immigration for brexiteers to get upset about - what's not to like?! Shouldn't you change your username to lb? It took them over four days So much for the United will the original 500 billion in grants has been watered down to 380 billion with further conditions attached Yet again a fudge that keeps the lid on but keeps the growing resentment bubbling along nicely It's taken us four years and we still haven't finally cut the ties! Not much united will in this country either Besides, far from the longest period of discussion they've had over various matters. Nowt unusual. You remind me of a guy I worked with who kept saying the EU would be over by Christmas back in 2016
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 21, 2020 8:29:43 GMT
Who gives a shit. We have left. Those people who are desperate to see the EU fail?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 21, 2020 8:51:21 GMT
It took them over four days So much for the United will the original 500 billion in grants has been watered down to 380 billion with further conditions attached Yet again a fudge that keeps the lid on but keeps the growing resentment bubbling along nicely It's taken us four years and we still haven't finally cut the ties! Not much united will in this country either Besides, far from the longest period of discussion they've had over various matters. Nowt unusual. You remind me of a guy I worked with who kept saying the EU would be over by Christmas back in 2016 So how long do you think the Dutch and swedes and other frugal countries tax payers will continue to accept bailing out countries who have high levels of corruption and tax evasion and continually fail to reform
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 21, 2020 8:58:48 GMT
Who gives a shit. We have left. Those people who are desperate to see the EU fail? Good luck to them as long as they don't try and make any demands on us. All the hand wringing over the £32.9bn exit fee was built up as some kind of punitive sum. It's a third of HS2, less than this months £39.9bn borrowing fuelled by Covid. The only thing stopping a swift and amicable split was political will on both sides leading to a messy divorce. Let it go, she isn't coming back.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 21, 2020 8:59:43 GMT
It's taken us four years and we still haven't finally cut the ties! Not much united will in this country either Besides, far from the longest period of discussion they've had over various matters. Nowt unusual. You remind me of a guy I worked with who kept saying the EU would be over by Christmas back in 2016 So how long do you think the Dutch and swedes and other frugal countries tax payers will continue to accept bailing out countries who have high levels of corruption and tax evasion and continually fail to reform Who knows? Maybe the same length of time it'll take British taxpayers to get fed up with the corruption, tax evasion and incompetence of our own government? So, quite a long time by the looks of it
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