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Post by wagsastokie on May 31, 2020 17:41:08 GMT
We all tend to get carried away with politics and think every decision organisations make is political, forgetting there are many other factors such as local costs (local currency), efficiency, talent, industrialness, logistics, etc. I would be very shocked if Nissan closed its Sunderland plant. I have been round it twice and been massively impressed by its efficiency and the commitment of the workforce. The plant has consistently been in the top 10 most efficient car assembly plants in the world, one of only 2 outside of Japan and S Korea. The commitment of the employees at all levels is far greater than say the Jaguar works I have visited. We also need to bear in mind that there was a marked decline in car sales prior to the pandemic. People's habits are changing and there is a strong move in societies towards more environmentally friendly cars, down sizing, and keeping cars longer before changing them. A Volvo dealer once told me that their biggest problem is customers want to hang onto their cars longer before changing them. With many companies offering long term warranty deals, and contract hire over a number of years, I am sure this has been slowing down the sale of new cars. Works closures will inevitably follow. True enough. But I also suspect this nice little sweetener influenced Nissan's thinking too... www.ft.com/content/01191c5e-287b-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7Could be behind a paywall so here it is... UK government vowed to shield Nissan from Brexit fallout Letter promised Japanese carmaker it would not be ‘adversely affected’ by leaving EU The released letter also promised support of about £80m towards Nissan in Sunderland in return for expanding SUV production there Peter Campbell and Jim Pickard in London FEBRUARY 4 2019 Theresa May is under renewed pressure to rule out a no-deal Brexit after it emerged that the government promised Nissan in 2016 that it would not be “adversely affected” by Britain’s departure from the EU. The assurances were contained in a previously unseen letter from business secretary Greg Clark to then-Nissan chief executive Carlos Ghosn, which led to the Japanese car group’s decision to build new models at its Sunderland car plant. Nissan ripped up that decision at the weekend, announcing it would shift production of the X-Trail SUV back to Japan in a move that has increased pressure on the prime minister. As preparations for a no-deal scenario ramp up with 53 days to go, HMRC announced that it would wave through goods from the EU without checks in a bid to avoid gridlock at the border. Mr Clark on Monday warned that a no-deal Brexit would be “ruinous” to the economy. The government fully recognises the significance of the EU markets to your presence in Sunderland Letter to Nissan The parliamentary battle over Britain’s departure from the EU is set to come to a head next week with some ministers threatening to resign in a last-ditch attempt to block a no-deal Brexit on March 29. Rebecca Long-Bailey, shadow business secretary, warned that the government’s “reckless” threat of a no-deal Brexit was having a real impact already: “The government must rule out no-deal, for the sake of the car industry, manufacturing and the economy as a whole.” The text of the letter to Nissan highlights the gulf between the current shift towards a no-deal scenario, which could involve tariffs and delays at the British border, and previous pledges made by the government. The letter, which the government had previously declined to release under a series of Freedom of Information requests, also promised support of about £80m towards Nissan’s investments at the site in return for the decision by Nissan to expand SUV production at Sunderland. Brexit or diesel? Why Japan's Nissan has cancelled SUV production at Sunderland car plant The letter said the government’s investment was “contingent too on a positive decision by the Nissan board to allocate production of the Qashqai and X-Trail models to the Sunderland plant”. As a result of pulling X-Trail, Nissan will be forced to re-bid for the government support it was scheduled to receive for the project — which has fallen to £61m — Greg Clark, business secretary, announced on Monday. Nissan reverses out of UK X-Trail decision “The company will submit new applications in the standard way and undergo a process of independent assessment,” he said. In its 2016 letter, the government made no specific promise on the UK’s future trading relationship with the EU — such as remaining in the bloc’s customs union — but vowed to protect car manufacturers in the UK. They would be a “critical priority of our negotiations” with the EU, the letter said. “The government fully recognises the significance of the EU markets to your presence in Sunderland,” the letter stated. “It will be a critical priority of our negotiations to support UK car manufacturers, and ensure their ability to export to and from the EU is not adversely affected by the UK’s future relationship with the EU.” Despite there being no assurances over the customs union, the letter did acknowledge Nissan’s anxiety over “uncertainties as the UK prepares to leave the EU, in particular your fear that potential future trade arrangements could affect the business case for your investments”. Nissan workers fear for future of Sunderland plant In the House of Commons on Monday, MPs chastised the government for refusing to rule out a no-deal scenario that would lead to tariffs and border checks. “Far from allaying those fears [the government] has exacerbated them because this government has refused to take no deal off the table,” said Anna Soubry, a Tory Europhile MP. Mrs May will travel to Northern Ireland on Tuesday and to Brussels later in the week as she tries to build support for a revamped Brexit deal, but senior members of her party admitted there was little chance of an early breakthrough. Old news Nissan will not be the only one's to relocate manufacturing to this country Once Boris and dom sort the eu out
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 31, 2020 18:03:57 GMT
Of course it's old news, but let's not pretend a government promising to meet any costs for a business post Brexit, doesn't have any impact on their operational decisions!
Mind you, that was Theresa May's government. With Pinocchio in charge, I don't think I'd be relying on promises in letters if I was Nissan...!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 31, 2020 18:26:55 GMT
Of course it's old news, but let's not pretend a government promising to meet any costs for a business post Brexit, doesn't have any impact on their operational decisions! Mind you, that was Theresa May's government. With Pinocchio in charge, I don't think I'd be relying on promises in letters if I was Nissan...! I wonder if Spain/ the EU offered incentives to match or better ours? As an independent nation I guess that we have the right and power to decide to do what is best for our own people?...as indeed does the EU....( not sure that Spain does). Personally if it was economically viable I would like investment in a UK car industry and to become as self sufficient as possible...whilst trading with the world where sensible. And that is not just an EU issue, but a wider political issue.
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Post by mrcoke on May 31, 2020 18:40:08 GMT
Of course it's old news, but let's not pretend a government promising to meet any costs for a business post Brexit, doesn't have any impact on their operational decisions! Mind you, that was Theresa May's government. With Pinocchio in charge, I don't think I'd be relying on promises in letters if I was Nissan...! Time moves on though. 2019 was a significant year in that car sales went into decline instead of the usual rise. edition.cnn.com/2020/01/20/business/global-auto-recession/index.htmlThis will have lead to a large build up of finished stock as producers do not instantly turn down production. More significant though is the effect on profit. I learnt as a young bread boy working for Embury's on Talke Road that it is the sale of the last few items that make the real return on investment. With bread being sold on a 12.5% margin (in those days) if a retailer bought 10 loaves he had to sell 9 to "break even" and made the profit selling the last loaf. A small turn down in sales has a huge impact on profit, far more significant the government promises. The EU, notably Merkel, have expressed extreme concern about the threat of competition from a deregulated UK sat on their borders. The British are far more flexible workers and more industrious than most EU countries. Where we fall down is on productivity mainly due to lack of financial investment in plant and equipment. The EU recognise that if there was serious investment in the UK freed from EU regulation by countries like China, USA, India, etc we would pose a huge threat to the >£60 billion pa trade balance the EU enjoys with the UK.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 31, 2020 20:42:03 GMT
Of course it's old news, but let's not pretend a government promising to meet any costs for a business post Brexit, doesn't have any impact on their operational decisions! Mind you, that was Theresa May's government. With Pinocchio in charge, I don't think I'd be relying on promises in letters if I was Nissan...! I wonder if Spain/ the EU offered incentives to match or better ours? As an independent nation I guess that we have the right and power to decide to do what is best for our own people?...as indeed does the EU....( not sure that Spain does). Personally if it was economically viable I would like investment in a UK car industry and to become as self sufficient as possible...whilst trading with the world where sensible. And that is not just an EU issue, but a wider political issue. What are you trying to say,?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 31, 2020 20:44:19 GMT
I wonder if Spain/ the EU offered incentives to match or better ours? As an independent nation I guess that we have the right and power to decide to do what is best for our own people?...as indeed does the EU....( not sure that Spain does). Personally if it was economically viable I would like investment in a UK car industry and to become as self sufficient as possible...whilst trading with the world where sensible. And that is not just an EU issue, but a wider political issue. What are you trying to say,? What I said
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 31, 2020 20:46:06 GMT
True enough. But I also suspect this nice little sweetener influenced Nissan's thinking too... www.ft.com/content/01191c5e-287b-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7Could be behind a paywall so here it is... UK government vowed to shield Nissan from Brexit fallout Letter promised Japanese carmaker it would not be ‘adversely affected’ by leaving EU The released letter also promised support of about £80m towards Nissan in Sunderland in return for expanding SUV production there Peter Campbell and Jim Pickard in London FEBRUARY 4 2019 Theresa May is under renewed pressure to rule out a no-deal Brexit after it emerged that the government promised Nissan in 2016 that it would not be “adversely affected” by Britain’s departure from the EU. The assurances were contained in a previously unseen letter from business secretary Greg Clark to then-Nissan chief executive Carlos Ghosn, which led to the Japanese car group’s decision to build new models at its Sunderland car plant. Nissan ripped up that decision at the weekend, announcing it would shift production of the X-Trail SUV back to Japan in a move that has increased pressure on the prime minister. As preparations for a no-deal scenario ramp up with 53 days to go, HMRC announced that it would wave through goods from the EU without checks in a bid to avoid gridlock at the border. Mr Clark on Monday warned that a no-deal Brexit would be “ruinous” to the economy. The government fully recognises the significance of the EU markets to your presence in Sunderland Letter to Nissan The parliamentary battle over Britain’s departure from the EU is set to come to a head next week with some ministers threatening to resign in a last-ditch attempt to block a no-deal Brexit on March 29. Rebecca Long-Bailey, shadow business secretary, warned that the government’s “reckless” threat of a no-deal Brexit was having a real impact already: “The government must rule out no-deal, for the sake of the car industry, manufacturing and the economy as a whole.” The text of the letter to Nissan highlights the gulf between the current shift towards a no-deal scenario, which could involve tariffs and delays at the British border, and previous pledges made by the government. The letter, which the government had previously declined to release under a series of Freedom of Information requests, also promised support of about £80m towards Nissan’s investments at the site in return for the decision by Nissan to expand SUV production at Sunderland. Brexit or diesel? Why Japan's Nissan has cancelled SUV production at Sunderland car plant The letter said the government’s investment was “contingent too on a positive decision by the Nissan board to allocate production of the Qashqai and X-Trail models to the Sunderland plant”. As a result of pulling X-Trail, Nissan will be forced to re-bid for the government support it was scheduled to receive for the project — which has fallen to £61m — Greg Clark, business secretary, announced on Monday. Nissan reverses out of UK X-Trail decision “The company will submit new applications in the standard way and undergo a process of independent assessment,” he said. In its 2016 letter, the government made no specific promise on the UK’s future trading relationship with the EU — such as remaining in the bloc’s customs union — but vowed to protect car manufacturers in the UK. They would be a “critical priority of our negotiations” with the EU, the letter said. “The government fully recognises the significance of the EU markets to your presence in Sunderland,” the letter stated. “It will be a critical priority of our negotiations to support UK car manufacturers, and ensure their ability to export to and from the EU is not adversely affected by the UK’s future relationship with the EU.” Despite there being no assurances over the customs union, the letter did acknowledge Nissan’s anxiety over “uncertainties as the UK prepares to leave the EU, in particular your fear that potential future trade arrangements could affect the business case for your investments”. Nissan workers fear for future of Sunderland plant In the House of Commons on Monday, MPs chastised the government for refusing to rule out a no-deal scenario that would lead to tariffs and border checks. “Far from allaying those fears [the government] has exacerbated them because this government has refused to take no deal off the table,” said Anna Soubry, a Tory Europhile MP. Mrs May will travel to Northern Ireland on Tuesday and to Brussels later in the week as she tries to build support for a revamped Brexit deal, but senior members of her party admitted there was little chance of an early breakthrough. Old news Nissan will not be the only one's to relocate manufacturing to this country Once Boris and dom sort the eu out Dumb and Dummer can't sort nothing out. Look at this covid disaster.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 31, 2020 21:01:58 GMT
What are you trying to say,? What I said The UK motor industry is foreign owned Hardly any raw materials Most components imported. Nissan are keeping one foot in each market/currency and playing the game. What you would personally like and stating the obvious means feck all.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 31, 2020 21:13:08 GMT
The UK motor industry is foreign owned Hardly any raw materials Most components imported. Nissan are keeping one foot in each market/currency and playing the game. What you would personally like and stating the obvious means feck all. I'd like the UK to have it's own car industry, own it's own steel industry, reinvest in manufacturing instead of concentrating on the service industry, promote and develop fishing, as an island race we don't make the most of it, and fish is more envirommentally friendly than meat, I'd like us to create a future for our young, create jobs and I'd state own a basic infrastructure of utilities/ services( but not in the short sighted, protectionist way that the traditional left have tried)and I'd like us to assist and try to help other poorer countries to develop through aid and trade. Just for a start.
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Post by lordb on May 31, 2020 21:30:59 GMT
The UK motor industry is foreign owned Hardly any raw materials Most components imported. Nissan are keeping one foot in each market/currency and playing the game. What you would personally like and stating the obvious means feck all. I'd like the UK to have it's own car industry, own it's own steel industry, reinvest on manufacturing instead of concentrating on the service industry, promote and develop fishing, as an island race we don't make the most of it, and fish is more envirommentally friendly than meat, I'd like us to create a future for our young, creste jobs and I'd state own a basic infrastructure of utilities/ services( but not in the short sighted, protectionist way that the traditional left have tried)and I'd like us to assist and try to help other poorer countries to develop through sid and trade. Just for a start. Is any of that likely?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 31, 2020 21:39:41 GMT
I'd like the UK to have it's own car industry, own it's own steel industry, reinvest on manufacturing instead of concentrating on the service industry, promote and develop fishing, as an island race we don't make the most of it, and fish is more envirommentally friendly than meat, I'd like us to create a future for our young, creste jobs and I'd state own a basic infrastructure of utilities/ services( but not in the short sighted, protectionist way that the traditional left have tried)and I'd like us to assist and try to help other poorer countries to develop through sid and trade. Just for a start. Is any of that likely? It depends upon the will to get it done, to at least try. What's the alternative? Don't bother at all? Same old, same old? It is possible to have a vision and be inspirational.....no nation , people or individual has ever got anywhere without vision , hope and belief. However could we have any medical advances without belief, hope, enthusiasm, a will to make it happen, and hard work , a never say die attitude. This could be a time of great opportunity. Was the NHS possible in 1939? 1945? 2020? What's the alternative?...leave it to everyone else...they know best. We are our own worst enemy. One thing ( amongst many(I admire about the Germans, they do seem to be a pragmatic nation who believe in themselves. If we do the same in the UK , there always seems to be naysayers, who want to put us down.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 31, 2020 21:41:34 GMT
Of course it's old news, but let's not pretend a government promising to meet any costs for a business post Brexit, doesn't have any impact on their operational decisions! Mind you, that was Theresa May's government. With Pinocchio in charge, I don't think I'd be relying on promises in letters if I was Nissan...! I wonder if Spain/ the EU offered incentives to match or better ours? As an independent nation I guess that we have the right and power to decide to do what is best for our own people?...as indeed does the EU....( not sure that Spain does). Personally if it was economically viable I would like investment in a UK car industry and to become as self sufficient as possible...whilst trading with the world where sensible. And that is not just an EU issue, but a wider political issue. Who knows? Decisions will be based on more than just Brexit. I did see that France has now overtaken the UK as the biggest destination for external investment in Europe. A sign of things to come?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 31, 2020 21:44:48 GMT
It depends upon the will to get it done, to at least try. What's the alternative? Don't bother at all? Same old, same old? It is possible to have a vision and be inspirational.....no nation , people or individual has ever got anywhere without vision , hope and belief. However could we have any medical advances without belief, hope, enthusiasm, a will to make it happen, and hard work , a never say die attitude. This could be a time of great opportunity. Was the NHS possible in 1939? 1945? 2020? What's the alternative?...leave it to everyone else...they know best. We are our own worst enemy. One thing ( amongst many(I admire about the Germans, they do seem to be a pragmatic nation who believe in themselves. If we do the same in the UK , there always seems to be naysayers, who want to put us down. A lot of Germany's success comes from having a much more mature attitude towards taxation. They can basically afford to invest in their own country instead of having to do everything on the cheap or privatise it off to foreign buyers like we do here.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 31, 2020 21:45:14 GMT
I wonder if Spain/ the EU offered incentives to match or better ours? As an independent nation I guess that we have the right and power to decide to do what is best for our own people?...as indeed does the EU....( not sure that Spain does). Personally if it was economically viable I would like investment in a UK car industry and to become as self sufficient as possible...whilst trading with the world where sensible. And that is not just an EU issue, but a wider political issue. Who knows? Decisions will be based on more than just Brexit. I did see that France has now overtaken the UK as the biggest destination for external investment in Europe. A sign of things to come? The French always put themselves first, who can blame them....you don't think that being in the EU would mean that the leaders( France and Germany) would put the UK first do you? Really? it's very competitive out there, we need a few people in charge who believe in the UK.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 31, 2020 21:46:04 GMT
It depends upon the will to get it done, to at least try. What's the alternative? Don't bother at all? Same old, same old? It is possible to have a vision and be inspirational.....no nation , people or individual has ever got anywhere without vision , hope and belief. However could we have any medical advances without belief, hope, enthusiasm, a will to make it happen, and hard work , a never say die attitude. This could be a time of great opportunity. Was the NHS possible in 1939? 1945? 2020? What's the alternative?...leave it to everyone else...they know best. We are our own worst enemy. One thing ( amongst many(I admire about the Germans, they do seem to be a pragmatic nation who believe in themselves. If we do the same in the UK , there always seems to be naysayers, who want to put us down. A lot of Germany's success comes from having a much more mature attitude towards taxation. They can basically afford to invest in their own country instead of having to do everything on the cheap or privatise it off to foreign buyers like we do here. Perhaps that's one thing that we could learn from them.then.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 31, 2020 21:57:21 GMT
It depends upon the will to get it done, to at least try. What's the alternative? Don't bother at all? Same old, same old? It is possible to have a vision and be inspirational.....no nation , people or individual has ever got anywhere without vision , hope and belief. However could we have any medical advances without belief, hope, enthusiasm, a will to make it happen, and hard work , a never say die attitude. This could be a time of great opportunity. Was the NHS possible in 1939? 1945? 2020? What's the alternative?...leave it to everyone else...they know best. We are our own worst enemy. One thing ( amongst many(I admire about the Germans, they do seem to be a pragmatic nation who believe in themselves. If we do the same in the UK , there always seems to be naysayers, who want to put us down. The tories have no interest in the traditional industries all they care about is quick buck financial industry with next too no legislation. Yes Germany have kept the industry and do the finance and service industry as well, Naysayers, plenty of them in the North Staffordshire area.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 31, 2020 22:02:56 GMT
It depends upon the will to get it done, to at least try. What's the alternative? Don't bother at all? Same old, same old? It is possible to have a vision and be inspirational.....no nation , people or individual has ever got anywhere without vision , hope and belief. However could we have any medical advances without belief, hope, enthusiasm, a will to make it happen, and hard work , a never say die attitude. This could be a time of great opportunity. Was the NHS possible in 1939? 1945? 2020? What's the alternative?...leave it to everyone else...they know best. We are our own worst enemy. One thing ( amongst many(I admire about the Germans, they do seem to be a pragmatic nation who believe in themselves. If we do the same in the UK , there always seems to be naysayers, who want to put us down. The tories have no interest in the traditional industries all they care about is quick buck financial industry with next too no legislation. Yes Germany have kept the industry and do the finance and service industry as well, Naysayers, plenty of them in the North Staffordshire area. II don't really think it's just a Tory v Labour issue anymore, we've played that game for at least 70 years. That's another area in which the Germans currently have an advantage, the freedom to think.
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Post by mrcoke on May 31, 2020 22:26:01 GMT
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 31, 2020 22:37:20 GMT
What are you saying. Would be hard work in a Morgan
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 1, 2020 6:26:51 GMT
The UK motor industry is foreign owned Hardly any raw materials Most components imported. Nissan are keeping one foot in each market/currency and playing the game. What you would personally like and stating the obvious means feck all. I'd like the UK to have it's own car industry, own it's own steel industry, reinvest in manufacturing instead of concentrating on the service industry, promote and develop fishing, as an island race we don't make the most of it, and fish is more envirommentally friendly than meat, I'd like us to create a future for our young, create jobs and I'd state own a basic infrastructure of utilities/ services( but not in the short sighted, protectionist way that the traditional left have tried)and I'd like us to assist and try to help other poorer countries to develop through aid and trade. Just for a start. And none of this can be done whilst tied to the eu
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 1, 2020 6:27:21 GMT
A lot of Germany's success comes from having a much more mature attitude towards taxation. They can basically afford to invest in their own country instead of having to do everything on the cheap or privatise it off to foreign buyers like we do here. Perhaps that's one thing that we could learn from them.then. Correct. It's also one of the central reasons they've coped with Covid-19 better than we have. Whereas they wargamed global pandemics and prepped for it, we wargamed it, buried the report (Cygnus) and ignored many of the recommendations, probably because we couldn't afford to make the same preparations and just hoped it'd never happen. Our nuclear industry turns to the Chinese, our power distribution is partly French owned, 5g provider Huawei is chinese, trains are French and German, we have no British car industry to speak of...
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 1, 2020 6:30:12 GMT
What are you saying. Would be hard work in a Morgan Now I would like to see pc plod dashing around in one of those Morgan three wheelers goggles on and scarf blowing
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 1, 2020 6:31:27 GMT
Who knows? Decisions will be based on more than just Brexit. I did see that France has now overtaken the UK as the biggest destination for external investment in Europe. A sign of things to come? The French always put themselves first, who can blame them....you don't think that being in the EU would mean that the leaders( France and Germany) would put the UK first do you? Really? it's very competitive out there, we need a few people in charge who believe in the UK. I think it's more a case of France still being in the EU that's attracting more external investment than we now get... ...while we've taken steps to reduce our competitiveness...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 1, 2020 6:33:49 GMT
I'd like the UK to have it's own car industry, own it's own steel industry, reinvest in manufacturing instead of concentrating on the service industry, promote and develop fishing, as an island race we don't make the most of it, and fish is more envirommentally friendly than meat, I'd like us to create a future for our young, create jobs and I'd state own a basic infrastructure of utilities/ services( but not in the short sighted, protectionist way that the traditional left have tried)and I'd like us to assist and try to help other poorer countries to develop through aid and trade. Just for a start. And none of this can be done whilst tied to the eu Why can't it?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 1, 2020 6:41:04 GMT
The French always put themselves first, who can blame them....you don't think that being in the EU would mean that the leaders( France and Germany) would put the UK first do you? Really? it's very competitive out there, we need a few people in charge who believe in the UK. I think it's more a case of France still being in the EU that's attracting more external investment than we now get... ...while we've taken steps to reduce our competitiveness... I don't think so...it has been clear from the outset that the French and Germans have directed the EU and they will never do anything against whstsiever their interests ( and would be very apprehensive about a successful UK)....In the case of the French, you only have to look at the Common Agricultural Policy and visibly the ludicrous monthly excursion to Strasbourg. And the EU is now , as we speak, trying to reduce our independence and competitiveness in the transition negotiations.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 1, 2020 6:43:25 GMT
I think it's more a case of France still being in the EU that's attracting more external investment than we now get... ...while we've taken steps to reduce our competitiveness... I don't think so...it has been clear from the outset that the French and Germans have directed the EU and they will never do anything against whstsiever their interests ( and would be very apprehensive about a successful UK)....In the case of the French, you only have to look at the Common Agricultural Policy and visibly the ludicrous monthly excursion to Strasbourg. We'll see. Just reporting the facts as shown in the Sunday Times business section yesterday. Foreign businesses are choosing France over the UK for investment.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 1, 2020 7:29:46 GMT
I don't think so...it has been clear from the outset that the French and Germans have directed the EU and they will never do anything against whstsiever their interests ( and would be very apprehensive about a successful UK)....In the case of the French, you only have to look at the Common Agricultural Policy and visibly the ludicrous monthly excursion to Strasbourg. We'll see. Just reporting the facts as shown in the Sunday Times business section yesterday. Foreign businesses are choosing France over the UK for investment. In which case they have secured their advantageous position as part of the EU, they aren't daft are they...If our aim is foreign investment we need to do more to attract foreign investment....I don't think that is necessarily the b all and end all....perhaps we should be developing entrepreneurship, a fairer society, endeavour, innovation ( I was looking for that word!) self reliance....For example I don't particularly want the French supplying our energy infrastructure, the Chinese supplying our internet/ it systems/ steel, Saudia Arabian/Middle East/ Russian / Japanese ( rich individuals or government) buying our land/ property/ " real estate"
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 1, 2020 8:03:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 8:25:55 GMT
Looks like some Italians are still unhappy with the EU link
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 1, 2020 8:42:00 GMT
We'll see. Just reporting the facts as shown in the Sunday Times business section yesterday. Foreign businesses are choosing France over the UK for investment. In which case they have secured their advantageous position as part of the EU, they aren't daft are they...If our aim is foreign investment we need to do more to attract foreign investment....I don't think that is necessarily the b all and end all....perhaps we should be developing entrepreneurship, a fairer society, endeavour, innovation ( I was looking for that word!) self reliance....For example I don't particularly want the French supplying our energy infrastructure, the Chinese supplying our internet/ it systems/ steel, Saudia Arabian/Middle East/ Russian / Japanese ( rich individuals or government) buying our land/ property/ " real estate" I wouldn't disagree. In which case surely the question is why have the Germans and French managed to hold onto significant portions of their manufacturing bases while we have sold all ours off through various privatisations over the years? None of which has anything to do with the EU and being a reason for leaving, they're internal domestic policies obviously, although you might wish to tell wagastokie that
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