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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 1, 2020 22:53:04 GMT
There's no such thing as purely a trade deal nowadays. Whatever we end up signing with the big players of this world (mainly EU, US and China), we will be handing some sort of control over. And on the other hand, I'm sure we'll be taking some control from other nations in certain trade deals as well. I have an aviary and it's what my feathered friends and I call pecking order. Still with 60 million of us and the 5th biggest economy in the world we should be all right. Just feel sorry for all those poor blighters in Australia, New Zealand, etc. how they must suffer. We're down to 6th. But you're right when we drop the '17.4m will of the people bomb' in trade talks we will be just fine.
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Post by felonious on Mar 2, 2020 4:13:28 GMT
The EU has never been about a trading block....no, no, no. I meant it sarcastically Pierre, as you know.. Thatcher was spot on there...and Benn! It's interesting to watch it again Harvey I heard an article on the radio a few days back which spoke about Thatcher's comments back in the day but the surprise is the backing she had from members of Labour and the Liberals in that clip. Major must have listened to that through gritted teeth and for all his love of Thatcher Blair kept on rubber stamping the project and making sure he kept a referendum away from a sceptical nation.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 2, 2020 7:48:12 GMT
I have an aviary and it's what my feathered friends and I call pecking order. Still with 60 million of us and the 5th biggest economy in the world we should be all right. Just feel sorry for all those poor blighters in Australia, New Zealand, etc. how they must suffer. We're down to 6th. But you're right when we drop the '17.4m will of the people bomb' in trade talks we will be just fine. 6th still in the playoffs Today we start four days of comprehensive trade talks Its quite simple if at the end there is no movement from the EU we walk away and tell them give us a call when you're ready to shift Listening to BBC breakfast this morning the slimy bastard macron is already shiting himself and threatening that if France doesn't keep its fishing rights there is in days a blockade of calais And there will be mass protests throughout France I wonder if they will get on the news It's time people realised France will not compromise and wants to keep the status quo This country would be better spending this year trying to get deals with countries who want one
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 2, 2020 7:52:42 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 2, 2020 9:10:17 GMT
We're down to 6th. But you're right when we drop the '17.4m will of the people bomb' in trade talks we will be just fine. 6th still in the playoffs Today we start four days of comprehensive trade talks Its quite simple if at the end there is no movement from the EU we walk away and tell them give us a call when you're ready to shift Listening to BBC breakfast this morning the slimy bastard macron is already shiting himself and threatening that if France doesn't keep its fishing rights there is in days a blockade of calais And there will be mass protests throughout France I wonder if they will get on the news It's time people realised France will not compromise and wants to keep the status quo This country would be better spending this year trying to get deals with countries who want one "Its quite simple if at the end there is no movement from the EU we walk away and tell them give us a call when you're ready to shift " Quite simply a completely idiotic statement with no thought for businesses and the economy.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 2, 2020 9:39:02 GMT
We're down to 6th. But you're right when we drop the '17.4m will of the people bomb' in trade talks we will be just fine. 6th still in the playoffs Today we start four days of comprehensive trade talks Its quite simple if at the end there is no movement from the EU we walk away and tell them give us a call when you're ready to shift Listening to BBC breakfast this morning the slimy bastard macron is already shiting himself and threatening that if France doesn't keep its fishing rights there is in days a blockade of calais And there will be mass protests throughout France I wonder if they will get on the news It's time people realised France will not compromise and wants to keep the status quo This country would be better spending this year trying to get deals with countries who want one What's your gut saying for the end of the week then Waga?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 2, 2020 9:41:26 GMT
6th still in the playoffs Today we start four days of comprehensive trade talks Its quite simple if at the end there is no movement from the EU we walk away and tell them give us a call when you're ready to shift Listening to BBC breakfast this morning the slimy bastard macron is already shiting himself and threatening that if France doesn't keep its fishing rights there is in days a blockade of calais And there will be mass protests throughout France I wonder if they will get on the news It's time people realised France will not compromise and wants to keep the status quo This country would be better spending this year trying to get deals with countries who want one "Its quite simple if at the end there is no movement from the EU we walk away and tell them give us a call when you're ready to shift " Quite simply a completely idiotic statement with no thought for businesses and the economy. Yes, but Macron is shitting himself about Fish! We've got him where we want him. It's like Agincourt all over again. Plus - our circa 45% of tariff free trade with the EU will be picked up by Japan, Australia and China by the end of the year 🙄😂
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 2, 2020 9:46:56 GMT
6th still in the playoffs Today we start four days of comprehensive trade talks Its quite simple if at the end there is no movement from the EU we walk away and tell them give us a call when you're ready to shift Listening to BBC breakfast this morning the slimy bastard macron is already shiting himself and threatening that if France doesn't keep its fishing rights there is in days a blockade of calais And there will be mass protests throughout France I wonder if they will get on the news It's time people realised France will not compromise and wants to keep the status quo This country would be better spending this year trying to get deals with countries who want one "Its quite simple if at the end there is no movement from the EU we walk away and tell them give us a call when you're ready to shift " Quite simply a completely idiotic statement with no thought for businesses and the economy. So you think it's better for business and the economy that we waste months talking with no prospects of the EU shifting When we can spend the time mitigating any prospective short term difficulties All this country is asking for is the same conditions as any other free and sovereign country no more no less The whole eu strategy has been based on the UK folding and agreeing first not to have a referendum Then when that failed they would scare us into voting remain Then when that failed we will tie us to a close union And now that has failed they are threatening us with no deal at all well bring it on The UK will be around long after the EU is consigned to the history books as a brief failed attempt of centrist control
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 9:53:44 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 2, 2020 10:00:19 GMT
"Its quite simple if at the end there is no movement from the EU we walk away and tell them give us a call when you're ready to shift " Quite simply a completely idiotic statement with no thought for businesses and the economy. Yes, but Macron is shitting himself about Fish! We've got him where we want him. It's like Agincourt all over again. Plus - our circa 45% of tariff free trade with the EU will be picked up by Japan, Australia and China by the end of the year 🙄😂 Yes I do think macron is shitting himself he like other European politicians he never thought we would go through with it And they realise they have to plug the financial hole left by are contributions He's got his public service workers and his left wing students protesting daily The last thing he needs is the fisherman and farmers starting And all this with le pen sitting quitely on the sidelines to pick the pieces up
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Post by foster on Mar 2, 2020 10:15:06 GMT
And this is why it will continue to be gone over hundreds of times. Absolutely zero thought given about business owners, people who wish to live and work freely in different countries, the NI border, commerce and trade, standards all in the pursuit of this idea of being 'free' And to cap it off we are now creating made up trade terms and deals to mask the term 'no deal' Now you might be happy with that and you have every right to be, but sure as hell isnt what was proposed or what everybody wanted. It's not going away and I make no apologies for highlighting the direction of traffic and not allowing people to just take an ostrich stance and in a little over 12 months times it will all be coming home to roost. Still, at least my new passport will be Blue. I honestly don't get this Remainer obsession with passport colours.... we can't keep looking back to times, for instance, when we had an Empire, another Remainer obsession. Not really sure how you've come up with that based only on a passport colour reference. In any case, we are where we are, Brexit has happened and we should be looking forward and not backward. We also need to be realistic. This notion that we're in a position to tell the EU to fuck off is just naive, and unlike Australia and Canada we are a direct competitor to the EU and it's shared resources. We won't get a good deal with the EU no matter how hard a line we take in negotiations. We either give up all the things we Brexited for (for a decent deal), or we get a no-thrills basic deal. All this political posturing is also laughable. It's like the past 3 years hasn't happened and all of a sudden some people are shocked, surprised and outraged by the situation we've found ourselves in. As far as I'm concerned it's simply a case of 'stop your fucking whining, don't pretend like you didn't know this would happen, and get on with it'.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 2, 2020 10:23:21 GMT
I honestly don't get this Remainer obsession with passport colours.... we can't keep looking back to times, for instance, when we had an Empire, another Remainer obsession. Not really sure how you've come up with that based only on a passport colour reference. In any case, we are where we are, Brexit has happened and we should be looking forward and not backward. We also need to be realistic. This notion that we're in a position to tell the EU to fuck off is just naive, and unlike Australia and Canada we are a direct competitor to the EU and it's shared resources. We won't get a good deal with the EU no matter how hard a line we take in negotiations. We either give up all the things we Brexited for (for a decent deal), or we get a no-thrills basic deal. All this political posturing is also laughable. It's like the past 3 years hasn't happened and all of a sudden some people are shocked, surprised and outraged by the situation we've found ourselves in. As far as I'm concerned it's simply a case of 'stop your fucking whining, don't pretend like you didn't know this would happen, and get on with it'. I seem to recall that Remainers were the ones who kept bringing up the Empire( and coloured passports) and then trying to make out it was something that Brexiteers were concerned with. I'm not saying that we should tell anyone to "fuck off". We should negotiate in good faith , just like any two independent "countries" respecting each other's independence.....irrespective of our geographic location , particularly in a global world. I'm not whining. Im not shocked nor surprised.
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Post by foster on Mar 2, 2020 10:27:16 GMT
Not really sure how you've come up with that based only on a passport colour reference. In any case, we are where we are, Brexit has happened and we should be looking forward and not backward. We also need to be realistic. This notion that we're in a position to tell the EU to fuck off is just naive, and unlike Australia and Canada we are a direct competitor to the EU and it's shared resources. We won't get a good deal with the EU no matter how hard a line we take in negotiations. We either give up all the things we Brexited for (for a decent deal), or we get a no-thrills basic deal. All this political posturing is also laughable. It's like the past 3 years hasn't happened and all of a sudden some people are shocked, surprised and outraged by the situation we've found ourselves in. As far as I'm concerned it's simply a case of 'stop your fucking whining, don't pretend like you didn't know this would happen, and get on with it'. I seem to recall that Remainers were the ones who kept bringing up the Empire( and coloured passports) and then trying to make out it was something that Brexiteers were concerned with. I'm not saying that we should tell anyone to "fuck off". We should negotiate in good faith , just like any two independent "countries" respecting each other's independence.....irrespective of our geographic location , particularly in a global world. I'm not whining. Im not shocked nor surprised. 2nd part of my post was responding to some other posts in this thread - in general. Not to you specifically.
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Post by Davef on Mar 2, 2020 11:18:57 GMT
"Its quite simple if at the end there is no movement from the EU we walk away and tell them give us a call when you're ready to shift " Quite simply a completely idiotic statement with no thought for businesses and the economy. So you think it's better for business and the economy that we waste months talking with no prospects of the EU shifting When we can spend the time mitigating any prospective short term difficulties All this country is asking for is the same conditions as any other free and sovereign country no more no less The whole eu strategy has been based on the UK folding and agreeing first not to have a referendum Then when that failed they would scare us into voting remain Then when that failed we will tie us to a close union And now that has failed they are threatening us with no deal at all well bring it on The UK will be around long after the EU is consigned to the history books as a brief failed attempt of centrist control What or where do you want the EU to shift to exactly?
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 2, 2020 11:34:09 GMT
So you think it's better for business and the economy that we waste months talking with no prospects of the EU shifting When we can spend the time mitigating any prospective short term difficulties All this country is asking for is the same conditions as any other free and sovereign country no more no less The whole eu strategy has been based on the UK folding and agreeing first not to have a referendum Then when that failed they would scare us into voting remain Then when that failed we will tie us to a close union And now that has failed they are threatening us with no deal at all well bring it on The UK will be around long after the EU is consigned to the history books as a brief failed attempt of centrist control What or where do you want the EU to shift to exactly? A deal broadly around the type given to Canada and shortly Japan A fishing deal similar to Iceland And if a dispute resolution is required it is taken to the wto
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 2, 2020 11:38:43 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 2, 2020 12:01:10 GMT
Exactly If a Canada deal was viable in 2017 then it is now But unfortunately for the EU we have called there bluff They had no intention of giving us a Canada deal it was a threat to a weak government the EU has negotiated with bad faith from the start and its time the remainers in this country realised if we leave with no deal at all the blame lies totally with the EU Who cannot or will not accept change is coming
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Post by foster on Mar 2, 2020 12:24:19 GMT
Exactly If a Canada deal was viable in 2017 then it is now But unfortunately for the EU we have called there bluff They had no intention of giving us a Canada deal it was a threat to a weak government the EU has negotiated with bad faith from the start and its time the remainers in this country realised if we leave with no deal at all the blame lies totally with the EU Who cannot or will not accept change is coming Where have you been for the past 3 years? Everyone knew that we wouldn't get a good deal. Leavers and Remainers both knew it. Now you spit your dummy out and act like you expected otherwise. Comical.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 2, 2020 12:32:58 GMT
Exactly If a Canada deal was viable in 2017 then it is now But unfortunately for the EU we have called there bluff They had no intention of giving us a Canada deal it was a threat to a weak government the EU has negotiated with bad faith from the start and its time the remainers in this country realised if we leave with no deal at all the blame lies totally with the EU Who cannot or will not accept change is coming Where have you been for the past 3 years? Everyone knew that we wouldn't get a good deal. Leavers and Remainers both knew it. Now you spit your dummy out and act like you expected otherwise. Comical. I'm not spitting my dummie out at all I have never expected the EU to give us fuck all I would of left the day after the vote and then negotiated I personally would walk away and tell the EU to piss off And welcome to a Singapore 26 miles off you're coast
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 2, 2020 12:52:09 GMT
Exactly If a Canada deal was viable in 2017 then it is now But unfortunately for the EU we have called there bluff They had no intention of giving us a Canada deal it was a threat to a weak government the EU has negotiated with bad faith from the start and its time the remainers in this country realised if we leave with no deal at all the blame lies totally with the EU Who cannot or will not accept change is coming Where have you been for the past 3 years? Everyone knew that we wouldn't get a good deal. Leavers and Remainers both knew it. Now you spit your dummy out and act like you expected otherwise. Comical. From the article I quoted According to framework documents from EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier seen by POLITICO, London's insistence on quitting the single market and customs union means that a basic EU-Canada-style deal is the only option.
The Canada style deal would apply rather than a closer bespoke deal because: The documents explain the U.K.'s demands for "regulatory autonomy" as well as its failure to obey European Court of Justice rulings mean it is "not compatible" as a partner within the EU framework.
So, in 2017 the 'cherry picking' approach May put forward (essentially BRINO) was rejected with the 'best available option' being Canada-style. But now www.euronews.com/2020/02/19/uk-blasts-eu-s-barnier-for-rejecting-post-brexit-canada-style-trade-dealThe UK cannot have a Canada-style trade deal with the EU, free from the bloc’s rules, Brussels’ chief negotiator said on Tuesday night. The message from Michel Barnier brought an immediate response from London. Boris Johnson’s office accused the EU of reneging on an original offer in 2017.Saying all that the Canadians are now realising that their FTA with the EU is piss poor for them.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 2, 2020 12:54:33 GMT
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Post by foster on Mar 2, 2020 13:25:05 GMT
Where have you been for the past 3 years? Everyone knew that we wouldn't get a good deal. Leavers and Remainers both knew it. Now you spit your dummy out and act like you expected otherwise. Comical. From the article I quoted According to framework documents from EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier seen by POLITICO, London's insistence on quitting the single market and customs union means that a basic EU-Canada-style deal is the only option.
The Canada style deal would apply rather than a closer bespoke deal because: The documents explain the U.K.'s demands for "regulatory autonomy" as well as its failure to obey European Court of Justice rulings mean it is "not compatible" as a partner within the EU framework.
So, in 2017 the 'cherry picking' approach May put forward (essentially BRINO) was rejected with the 'best available option' being Canada-style. But now www.euronews.com/2020/02/19/uk-blasts-eu-s-barnier-for-rejecting-post-brexit-canada-style-trade-dealThe UK cannot have a Canada-style trade deal with the EU, free from the bloc’s rules, Brussels’ chief negotiator said on Tuesday night. The message from Michel Barnier brought an immediate response from London. Boris Johnson’s office accused the EU of reneging on an original offer in 2017.Saying all that the Canadians are now realising that their FTA with the EU is piss poor for them. Did they sign anything legally binding? I recall both sides making offers as well as threats over the past 3 years, but if nothing was signed then surely it's naive to think that it's a done deal. I would have expected any negotiating team to know that. This just sounds to me like sour grapes with Boris & Co. wetting their knickers and as per usual, deflecting blame elsewhere for something that was largely obvious and expected. The proximity remark isn't anything new either. The EU has said before that the UK can't be treated the same as the distant countries so I don't understand what's so difficult to grasp in that. 'Can we have a Japan type deal?' 'No, you're too close' 'Can we have a South Korea type deal?' 'No, you're too close' 'Can we have a Canada type deal?' 'Are you fucking thick?' It's embarrassing to see just how desperate we're looking right now after all the pre-referendum bluster. We're at the stage where we've been aware of what would happen for years and we're now trying to act like we've been mugged off. We decided to leave, we knew the benefits of leaving and we were warned plenty of times about the consequences of leaving, so lets not blame anyone else, let's take it on the chin and let's go WTO rules. Simple.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 2, 2020 13:49:52 GMT
From the article I quoted According to framework documents from EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier seen by POLITICO, London's insistence on quitting the single market and customs union means that a basic EU-Canada-style deal is the only option.
The Canada style deal would apply rather than a closer bespoke deal because: The documents explain the U.K.'s demands for "regulatory autonomy" as well as its failure to obey European Court of Justice rulings mean it is "not compatible" as a partner within the EU framework.
So, in 2017 the 'cherry picking' approach May put forward (essentially BRINO) was rejected with the 'best available option' being Canada-style. But now www.euronews.com/2020/02/19/uk-blasts-eu-s-barnier-for-rejecting-post-brexit-canada-style-trade-dealThe UK cannot have a Canada-style trade deal with the EU, free from the bloc’s rules, Brussels’ chief negotiator said on Tuesday night. The message from Michel Barnier brought an immediate response from London. Boris Johnson’s office accused the EU of reneging on an original offer in 2017.Saying all that the Canadians are now realising that their FTA with the EU is piss poor for them. Did they sign anything legally binding? I recall both sides making offers as well as threats over the past 3 years, but if nothing was signed then surely it's naive to think that it's a done deal. I would have expected any negotiating team to know that. This just sounds to me like sour grapes with Boris & Co. wetting their knickers and as per usual, deflecting blame elsewhere for something that was largely obvious and expected. The proximity remark isn't anything new either. The EU has said before that the UK can't be treated the same as the distant countries so I don't understand what's so difficult to grasp in that. 'Can we have a Japan type deal?' 'No, you're too close' 'Can we have a South Korea type deal?' 'No, you're too close' 'Can we have a Canada type deal?' 'Are you fucking thick?' It's embarrassing to see just how desperate we're looking right now after all the pre-referendum bluster. We're at the stage where we've been aware of what would happen for years and we're now trying to act like we've been mugged off. We decided to leave, we knew the benefits of leaving and we were warned plenty of times about the consequences of leaving, so lets not blame anyone else, let's take it on the chin and let's go WTO rules. Simple. Are you sure that is the UK who are "desperate"? Who is the " we"? It's only day one of negotiations proper.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 13:55:34 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 2, 2020 13:57:06 GMT
From the article I quoted According to framework documents from EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier seen by POLITICO, London's insistence on quitting the single market and customs union means that a basic EU-Canada-style deal is the only option.
The Canada style deal would apply rather than a closer bespoke deal because: The documents explain the U.K.'s demands for "regulatory autonomy" as well as its failure to obey European Court of Justice rulings mean it is "not compatible" as a partner within the EU framework.
So, in 2017 the 'cherry picking' approach May put forward (essentially BRINO) was rejected with the 'best available option' being Canada-style. But now www.euronews.com/2020/02/19/uk-blasts-eu-s-barnier-for-rejecting-post-brexit-canada-style-trade-dealThe UK cannot have a Canada-style trade deal with the EU, free from the bloc’s rules, Brussels’ chief negotiator said on Tuesday night. The message from Michel Barnier brought an immediate response from London. Boris Johnson’s office accused the EU of reneging on an original offer in 2017.Saying all that the Canadians are now realising that their FTA with the EU is piss poor for them. Did they sign anything legally binding? I recall both sides making offers as well as threats over the past 3 years, but if nothing was signed then surely it's naive to think that it's a done deal. I would have expected any negotiating team to know that. This just sounds to me like sour grapes with Boris & Co. wetting their knickers and as per usual, deflecting blame elsewhere for something that was largely obvious and expected. The proximity remark isn't anything new either. The EU has said before that the UK can't be treated the same as the distant countries so I don't understand what's so difficult to grasp in that. 'Can we have a Japan type deal?' 'No, you're too close' 'Can we have a South Korea type deal?' 'No, you're too close' 'Can we have a Canada type deal?' 'Are you fucking thick?' It's embarrassing to see just how desperate we're looking right now after all the pre-referendum bluster. We're at the stage where we've been aware of what would happen for years and we're now trying to act like we've been mugged off. We decided to leave, we knew the benefits of leaving and we were warned plenty of times about the consequences of leaving, so lets not blame anyone else, let's take it on the chin and let's go WTO rules. Simple. 2017 you'll have to have a Canada style deal Mrs May as you won't take the ECJ, harmonisation of environment and workers rights. Best we can do for you. 2020 Fuck me, who moved the UK to just 22 miles away? No can do, you're too close. Pathetic. Barnacle's been caught with his pants down which makes his reversing very difficult. The EU need to get a negotiator worth his salt before he forces a WTO deal through incompetence.* *To be fair he is just a puppet with 27 different strings being pulled at the same time in different directions.
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Post by foster on Mar 2, 2020 14:25:00 GMT
Did they sign anything legally binding? I recall both sides making offers as well as threats over the past 3 years, but if nothing was signed then surely it's naive to think that it's a done deal. I would have expected any negotiating team to know that. This just sounds to me like sour grapes with Boris & Co. wetting their knickers and as per usual, deflecting blame elsewhere for something that was largely obvious and expected. The proximity remark isn't anything new either. The EU has said before that the UK can't be treated the same as the distant countries so I don't understand what's so difficult to grasp in that. 'Can we have a Japan type deal?' 'No, you're too close' 'Can we have a South Korea type deal?' 'No, you're too close' 'Can we have a Canada type deal?' 'Are you fucking thick?' It's embarrassing to see just how desperate we're looking right now after all the pre-referendum bluster. We're at the stage where we've been aware of what would happen for years and we're now trying to act like we've been mugged off. We decided to leave, we knew the benefits of leaving and we were warned plenty of times about the consequences of leaving, so lets not blame anyone else, let's take it on the chin and let's go WTO rules. Simple. 2017 you'll have to have a Canada style deal Mrs May as you won't take the ECJ, harmonisation of environment and workers rights. Best we can do for you. 2020 Fuck me, who moved the UK to just 22 miles away? No can do, you're too close. Pathetic. Barnacle's been caught with his pants down which makes his reversing very difficult. The EU need to get a negotiator worth his salt before he forces a WTO deal through incompetence.* *To be fair he is just a puppet with 27 different strings being pulled at the same time in different directions. So nothing promised or legally binding then. ok. Just Boris desperately referring back to something from 3 years ago then. I guess there haven't been any other discussions or developments since then.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 2, 2020 15:16:31 GMT
2017 you'll have to have a Canada style deal Mrs May as you won't take the ECJ, harmonisation of environment and workers rights. Best we can do for you. 2020 Fuck me, who moved the UK to just 22 miles away? No can do, you're too close. Pathetic. Barnacle's been caught with his pants down which makes his reversing very difficult. The EU need to get a negotiator worth his salt before he forces a WTO deal through incompetence.* *To be fair he is just a puppet with 27 different strings being pulled at the same time in different directions. So nothing promised or legally binding then. ok. Just Boris desperately referring back to something from 3 years ago then. I guess there haven't been any other discussions or developments since then. Boris only became PM on 24th July 2019 and had a working majority from the GE of 12th December 2019 so any discussions since 2017 are largely irrelevant, unless since 13/12/19. You'd think the EU would have had their FTA stance agreed from 3 years ago when the only option offered was Canada? Not in a stramash since the WA was signed. The WA was legally binding, the PD was not and yet the EU now want to rely on that as if it is. Shows the disjointed clanking EU bureaucracy up in all it's glory.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 2, 2020 15:34:03 GMT
In any case it makes perfect sense to use the Canadian agreement as a blueprint, a starting point...if indeed it was genuinely offered 3 years ago and if the UK think that they can work with it. All that has happened in the interim is that Remainers have wasted time by trying to thwart Brexit and democracy.
Aren't the rules of the negotiations fairly simple.....try to agree a deal that is in the best interest of both parties.....if we can't agree a deal , we don't have one....no deal. It could be either the EU or the UK or both who decide to walk away, not liking the other's terms.
I don't see how it can be deemed " reasonable" that the EU expect access to the UK fishing waters or acquiescence to the European court ( if indeed that is what they are saying)... as of right.....no independent, sovereign country should agree to that.
What are we " demanding" that we are not offering in return, that is equally unreasonable?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 2, 2020 16:16:25 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 2, 2020 16:24:38 GMT
Perhaps the Guardian has an agenda. Perhaps we put too much store by trade deals? Somehow, I can't imagine us buying much from the US.
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