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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 22, 2020 20:30:28 GMT
The alternative view on this is:
Low paid and low skilled jobs saved for the Brits
High paid and high skilled jobs offered up for the 'foreigners'
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 22, 2020 20:34:38 GMT
Poor Leo... Itās all gone a bit wrong hasnāt it š¬ Theyāve stitched him up like a kipper! Donāt you just love karma? Couldnāt have happened to a nicer, smug twat. Reminds me of the mouthy short arse in a crowd giving it large, but when it comes to having to put up, they run off to the the back looking for their mum. Sounds like some on āere!
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 23, 2020 7:04:50 GMT
The alternative view on this is: Low paid and low skilled jobs saved for the Brits High paid and high skilled jobs offered up for the 'foreigners' š¤Æ Itās a very strange view though. The only reason we are actively seeking people for high paid and high skilled jobs is we have vacancies we canāt fulfil. Now, there is a debate to be had about up-skilling and re-skilling. IMO, we should massively reduce university funding and put that money into colleges that provide training in the skills we need as a society.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 23, 2020 7:10:47 GMT
The alternative view on this is: Low paid and low skilled jobs saved for the Brits High paid and high skilled jobs offered up for the 'foreigners' š¤Æ Itās a very strange view though. The only reason we are actively seeking people for high paid and high skilled jobs is we have vacancies we canāt fulfil. Now, there is a debate to be had about up-skilling and re-skilling. IMO, we should massively reduce university funding and put that money into colleges that provide training in the skills we need as a society. Great idea, and to rebuild some sort of manufacturing, whether it be high tech, traditional , niche etc. Ships and trains still need to be built, innovation is needed in ( green ) power industry, communications etc. And we should support our steel industry....all for starters. ...and all those industries create support and infrastructure roles.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 23, 2020 9:13:39 GMT
The alternative view on this is: Low paid and low skilled jobs saved for the Brits High paid and high skilled jobs offered up for the 'foreigners' š¤Æ Itās a very strange view though. The only reason we are actively seeking people for high paid and high skilled jobs is we have vacancies we canāt fulfil. Now, there is a debate to be had about up-skilling and re-skilling. IMO, we should massively reduce university funding and put that money into colleges that provide training in the skills we need as a society. I would go further and review the whole university and tuition thing. We should identify skills and qualifications that contribute towards national infrastructure,medicine,engineering etc to name but a few and heavily subsidise these areas (make them free providing you commit to the NHS for 10 years for example before going private). All of the other circus money around comedy degrees should be cut....if you want a degree in movie make up or outdoor adventures, pay for it yourself. I am all for the opportunity to better yourself, but combining this with betterment of the country as well provides a chance to re build the foundations of the country to make it solid for years to come.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 23, 2020 22:56:35 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 24, 2020 0:06:40 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 24, 2020 18:05:39 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 24, 2020 18:11:23 GMT
More chance of Mad Mike Hughes admitting the Earth's not flat after all.
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Post by felonious on Feb 24, 2020 18:12:46 GMT
I think what he means is he's making it up as he goes along
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 24, 2020 20:03:41 GMT
I think what he means is he's making it up as he goes along Probably Ralph, but so many people did preach the doom scenario with confidence and certainty just to get their own way.....now going back on it.....understandable that people don't believe experts.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 24, 2020 20:28:13 GMT
I think what he means is he's making it up as he goes along Probably Ralph, but so many people did preach the doom scenario with confidence and certainty just to get their own way.....now going back on it.....understandable that people don't believe experts. Donāt forget those who predicted the doom and gloom being genuinely pissed off now that it hasnāt come to pass......(fully expecting them to also say give it time to). I just find it so weird about actually wanting things to be bad and then being annoyed when it isnāt ....what sort of an outlook on life is that?
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Post by felonious on Feb 25, 2020 7:15:34 GMT
Probably Ralph, but so many people did preach the doom scenario with confidence and certainty just to get their own way.....now going back on it.....understandable that people don't believe experts. Donāt forget those who predicted the doom and gloom being genuinely pissed off now that it hasnāt come to pass......(fully expecting them to also say give it time to). I just find it so weird about actually wanting things to be bad and then being annoyed when it isnāt ....what sort of an outlook on life is that? Socialism?
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 25, 2020 7:52:43 GMT
Probably Ralph, but so many people did preach the doom scenario with confidence and certainty just to get their own way.....now going back on it.....understandable that people don't believe experts. Donāt forget those who predicted the doom and gloom being genuinely pissed off now that it hasnāt come to pass......(fully expecting them to also say give it time to). I just find it so weird about actually wanting things to be bad and then being annoyed when it isnāt ....what sort of an outlook on life is that? www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51619608
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 25, 2020 7:57:51 GMT
Donāt forget those who predicted the doom and gloom being genuinely pissed off now that it hasnāt come to pass......(fully expecting them to also say give it time to). I just find it so weird about actually wanting things to be bad and then being annoyed when it isnāt ....what sort of an outlook on life is that? www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51619608And the link to Brexit is...?
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 25, 2020 8:01:23 GMT
And the link to Brexit is...? Nebulous
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 25, 2020 8:22:41 GMT
And the link to Brexit is...? Nebulous Yep- thatās it.
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 25, 2020 8:48:01 GMT
I also posted that link on another thread. Maybe bath was trying to make the same point as me - that while everyone obsesses over getting Brexit done the country's health has got measurably worse under the Conservatives And it's ironically the very demographic that voted most for Brexit that has suffered the most.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 25, 2020 9:29:11 GMT
I also posted that link on another thread. Maybe bath was trying to make the same point as me - that while everyone obsesses over getting Brexit done the country's health has got measurably worse under the Conservatives And it's ironically the very demographic that voted most for Brexit that has suffered the most. Yeah, What he saidš
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 25, 2020 10:33:18 GMT
So Johnson continues to dissimulate, mislead and downright lie on Northern Ireland.
That will end well.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 25, 2020 12:34:55 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 25, 2020 12:41:07 GMT
Everything he continues to say on the matter is in direct defiance of the WA he signed the other week. Add to the fact that the Exit Committee is now chock full of right wing, no deal advocates, ERG types and I think we know where this is heading.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2020 15:35:21 GMT
Everything he continues to say on the matter is in direct defiance of the WA he signed the other week. Add to the fact that the Exit Committee is now chock full of right wing, no deal advocates, ERG types and I think we know where this is heading. Yep we do.
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Post by Davef on Feb 25, 2020 16:24:05 GMT
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Post by maxplonk on Feb 25, 2020 16:30:08 GMT
Well it IS more than two pages long. š¤
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 25, 2020 17:25:58 GMT
As it contains a demand for unchanged access to our fishing waters and for the UK to continue to abide by EU rules on things like state aid it would be well advised to ignore it.
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Post by felonious on Feb 25, 2020 18:55:44 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 25, 2020 20:49:01 GMT
There is a lot of talk of standards and "level playing field" particularly from the EU side.
But standards and regulations are meaningless without implementation, auditing, and enforcement.
It has been my experience during over 40 years in industry that us Brits and many of the mainland European countries have different approaches. UK law tends to be written very flexibly with caveats and phrases like "as far as practicable" and "so far as reasonably practicable". Our implentation through is relatively strict with officialdom often having a "clip board mentality" by many jobs worths.
Conversely many European countries (I'm particularly thinking of the French who I worked for for 7 years) tend to write very rigid legislation, which they implement in a very flexible manner. They may have a specific rule but if they decide it is impractical or just silly, then they ignore it. They see regulations as objectives to strive to achieve, not rigidly obeyed.
The Brussels machine is obsessed with churning out regulations. Their mantra is, if there is not a rule for something then there is anarchy. They feel compelled to legislate on everything. The concept of voluntarily forming an orderly queue like the British is alien to many Europeans.
During the forthcoming trade negotiations the EU will make demands for numerous rules and regulations that they have little intent of fully enforcing in their own countries. I have met this many times during my dealing with EU countries on issues such as health and safety, environment, CE marking, commercial rules like cartels and subsidies.
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Post by Davef on Feb 26, 2020 8:43:58 GMT
As it contains a demand for unchanged access to our fishing waters and for the UK to continue to abide by EU rules on things like state aid it would be well advised to ignore it. Which is all in the Withdrawal Agreement (which Johnson apparently heroically renegotiated) and the Political Declaration which he was eager to sign to "Get Brexit Done".
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Post by Northy on Feb 26, 2020 8:53:36 GMT
There is a lot of talk of standards and "level playing field" particularly from the EU side. But standards and regulations are meaningless without implementation, auditing, and enforcement. It has been my experience during over 40 years in industry that us Brits and many of the mainland European countries have different approaches. UK law tends to be written very flexibly with caveats and phrases like "as far as practicable" and "so far as reasonably practicable". Our implentation through is relatively strict with officialdom often having a "clip board mentality" by many jobs worths. Conversely many European countries (I'm particularly thinking of the French who I worked for for 7 years) tend to write very rigid legislation, which they implement in a very flexible manner. They may have a specific rule but if they decide it is impractical or just silly, then they ignore it. They see regulations as objectives to strive to achieve, not rigidly obeyed. The Brussels machine is obsessed with churning out regulations. Their mantra is, if there is not a rule for something then there is anarchy. They feel compelled to legislate on everything. The concept of voluntarily forming an orderly queue like the British is alien to many Europeans. During the forthcoming trade negotiations the EU will make demands for numerous rules and regulations that they have little intent of fully enforcing in their own countries. I have met this many times during my dealing with EU countries on issues such as health and safety, environment, CE marking, commercial rules like cartels and subsidies. yep, just about every site I've visited over the water has that attitude towards it. I'm dealing with Italian manufacturing on something at the moment, we have purchased something that is being built by them and will go and factory witness test it before shipping, I had an e-mail last week asking 'what part of the testing do you want to us to do' I replied 'everything that was listed in the specification' they said 'oh really, we'll get back to you'
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