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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2020 19:05:42 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 24, 2020 19:14:38 GMT
My friend, some people on here dont care one hoot about anything else apart from Brexit. They dont care about other peoples concerns,financial worries, job losses,Price rises,or anything just so long as they get brexit done.Then when you mention your concerns you are fobbed off with being a scaremonger.I would also imagine that most of these types are stable in their lives and have enough money to not worry about the risks.So stuff everyone else basically. The people you talk about, people with financial worries, job losses, zero hour contracts are the ones that voted for Brexit. You really still don't get it do you? I'm beginning to think you are one of these people who are quite stable and secure in your lifestyle and are a little nervous that the status quo has been disturbed
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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2020 19:18:54 GMT
My friend, some people on here dont care one hoot about anything else apart from Brexit. They dont care about other peoples concerns,financial worries, job losses,Price rises,or anything just so long as they get brexit done.Then when you mention your concerns you are fobbed off with being a scaremonger.I would also imagine that most of these types are stable in their lives and have enough money to not worry about the risks.So stuff everyone else basically. The people you talk about, people with financial worries, job losses, zero hour contracts are the ones that voted for Brexit. You really still don't get it do you? I'm beginning to think you are one of these people who are quite stable and secure in your lifestyle and are a little nervous that the status quo has been disturbed Seems a trend
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 24, 2020 19:31:04 GMT
I agree. Out of interest, what happens if something bad very obviously does happen because of Brexit? Are we allowed to say it, or do we have to pretend it never happened? No not allowed. Move on . Made a decision put the EU behind us , as you indicate( in any case the obvious happening that you refer to might be the EUs doing/ their attitude to Brexit, we can't be blaming them). Politcal correctness gone mad. Can't even talk about Brexit now without someone telling you to move on.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 24, 2020 19:44:13 GMT
No not allowed. Move on . Made a decision put the EU behind us , as you indicate( in any case the obvious happening that you refer to might be the EUs doing/ their attitude to Brexit, we can't be blaming them). Politcal correctness gone mad. Can't even talk about Brexit now without someone telling you to move on. I thought that you were implying that in your original response to my post....when you didn't seem too happy with me referring to the EU . " who cares" I believe you said. Sincerest apooogies. To be honest I think people can post what they like as long as it's not abusive and sticks to the EE guidelines etc.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 24, 2020 20:00:03 GMT
It’s funny how further we’re going into Brexit, we’re becoming more Germanic. After all we are Anglo-Saxons. So we will be as $#!t at Popculture as the Germans. Boring!
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 24, 2020 20:19:08 GMT
It’s funny how further we’re going into Brexit, we’re becoming more Germanic. After all we are Anglo-Saxons. So we will be as $#!t at Popculture as the Germans. Boring! Yeh, but at least we get to win another World Cup or two.🎉🎉🎉
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 24, 2020 22:40:46 GMT
Who cares - we're leaving. The answer to "What next for Brexit?" is not "Look how crap the EU is". Sometimes I get the feeling the hatred for the EU is more important to some people than the well-being of the UK.That is quite right, now is the time to start working together for everyone's mutual benefit and stop the squabbling. Now that the decision has been made, we need to bury the hatchet. I fully expect traditional Labour voters will return to voting Labour and eventually we will get back into the traditional swing of politics. We need to build a successful economy to provide the wealth to fix our ailing health and social services. There will be the customary differences of opinion over which side of that equation is more important, and people will vote accordingly.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 24, 2020 22:49:21 GMT
Not long now folks 3.5 years of denying the will of the majority will be over next Friday at 11pm Independence day finally , love it our leave it !
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 25, 2020 0:04:34 GMT
We've simply realised that we are a country not a member of an organisation
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 25, 2020 8:55:34 GMT
It’s funny how further we’re going into Brexit, we’re becoming more Germanic. After all we are Anglo-Saxons. So we will be as $#!t at Popculture as the Germans. Boring! Yeh, but at least we get to win another World Cup or two.🎉🎉🎉 Will we win another World Cup because we’ll become boring & so will be like automatons or just because we grasp our Teutonic roots... I have a hypothesis that the reason we dislike the Germans so is because we left them for Blighty a thousand plus years ago. We were/are the Germans that don’t like Germans🇩🇪
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 25, 2020 18:26:08 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 25, 2020 20:36:45 GMT
We've simply realised that we are a country not a member of an organisation Isn’t the United Kingdom an organisation made up of 4 countries?
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 25, 2020 20:39:38 GMT
We've simply realised that we are a country not a member of an organisation Isn’t the United Kingdom an organisation made up of 4 countries? But with an elected Government?
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Post by felonious on Jan 25, 2020 20:40:56 GMT
We've simply realised that we are a country not a member of an organisation Isn’t the United Kingdom an organisation made up of 4 countries? Is it a United Kingdom though? Time for change here as well.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 25, 2020 21:11:50 GMT
We've simply realised that we are a country not a member of an organisation Isn’t the United Kingdom an organisation made up of 4 countries? It is but therein lies a massive difference. I think that the members are knowingly ... explicitly accepting that the organisation operates as a bonefide country with a parliament in London. Obviously there are different current degrees of acceptance by individuals and political groups and degrees of devolution. ....that's the politics and debate...as I understand it the union was entered willingly as a " country" in all functions of the meaning of the word in different times. The EU has never up front admitted to effectively being a country. We entered a trading block and have moved in ever close union by stealth , deceit and anti democratic means( even collaborating in trying to overturn the referendum as with the irish and Dutch) towards a United states of Europe....but of course some would deny this
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 26, 2020 10:07:25 GMT
When will anyone pull this fop headed lying cunt of a Prime Minister on this?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 26, 2020 11:12:47 GMT
When will anyone pull this fop headed lying cunt of a Prime Minister on this? When your Communist junta find a replacement for the obnoxious terrorist sympathising racist twat?
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 26, 2020 11:17:54 GMT
When will anyone pull this fop headed lying cunt of a Prime Minister on this? Thats interesting that she thinks she can decide on what another country does still I am sure if you go back you will find plenty of irish politicians saying the withdrawal agreement wont be reopened so lets see.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 11:21:23 GMT
Isn’t the United Kingdom an organisation made up of 4 countries? It is but therein lies a massive difference. I think that the members are knowingly ... explicitly accepting that the organisation operates as a bonefide country with a parliament in London. Obviously there are different current degrees of acceptance by individuals and political groups and degrees of devolution. ....that's the politics and debate...as I understand it the union was entered willingly as a " country" in all functions of the meaning of the word in different times. The EU has never up front admitted to effectively being a country. We entered a trading block and have moved in ever close union by stealth , deceit and anti democratic means( even collaborating in trying to overturn the referendum as with the irish and Dutch) towards a United states of Europe....but of course some would deny this In fairness though, I don't think Scotland, NI, or Wales 'joined' the UK by democratic means either. And they're in part represented by elected officials, MPs analogous to MEPs, whilst in part being represented by unelected ones in the House of Lords, analogous to the Commission. My worry isn't so much that people oppose the EU, but that we have a largely inflated opinion in what our country has done in the past. We're very proud of being a colonial nation that violently forced others to bend to our will and protected our own monetary interests with a protectionist racket that included concentration camps, genocide, theft and pillaging.. But we generally refuse to see the Empire as that, and yet we see the EU as the bastion of enforced power and undemocratic rule. The 'United States of Europe' idea gives a non-violent, partially-democratic version of 'the commonwealth'. Yet one is seen as a great show of power and might, and a force for good, whereas the EU is seen as an awful undemocratic takeover of our values and freedom. There are plenty of reasons to leave the EU and to disagree with what it stands for, but I fear that a good portion of people are simply longing to feel that the UK is 'more powerful' again, despite the fact its power derived from hundreds of years of despicable actions that would now be pretty definitively considered war crimes. Our differing vision as a public on the empire and the EU is worrying, and it feels like there may be a huge push towards acceptable nationalism again.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 26, 2020 11:26:36 GMT
It is but therein lies a massive difference. I think that the members are knowingly ... explicitly accepting that the organisation operates as a bonefide country with a parliament in London. Obviously there are different current degrees of acceptance by individuals and political groups and degrees of devolution. ....that's the politics and debate...as I understand it the union was entered willingly as a " country" in all functions of the meaning of the word in different times. The EU has never up front admitted to effectively being a country. We entered a trading block and have moved in ever close union by stealth , deceit and anti democratic means( even collaborating in trying to overturn the referendum as with the irish and Dutch) towards a United states of Europe....but of course some would deny this In fairness though, I don't think Scotland, NI, or Wales 'joined' the UK by democratic means either. Didn't the Scots. have a democratic independence referendum 6 years ago ? I am pretty sure they decided to remain as part of the union.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 26, 2020 11:29:21 GMT
It is but therein lies a massive difference. I think that the members are knowingly ... explicitly accepting that the organisation operates as a bonefide country with a parliament in London. Obviously there are different current degrees of acceptance by individuals and political groups and degrees of devolution. ....that's the politics and debate...as I understand it the union was entered willingly as a " country" in all functions of the meaning of the word in different times. The EU has never up front admitted to effectively being a country. We entered a trading block and have moved in ever close union by stealth , deceit and anti democratic means( even collaborating in trying to overturn the referendum as with the irish and Dutch) towards a United states of Europe....but of course some would deny this In fairness though, I don't think Scotland, NI, or Wales 'joined' the UK by democratic means either. I would not know the real politics of the time, there's always different views and interpretations particularly hundreds of years later with different agendas. What is clear is that from the outset and since the formation of the UK it has clearly acted as a country. The EU has tried to get to political and economic union by secrecy, deception and stealth....which is one of the reasons it will fail.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 11:33:28 GMT
In fairness though, I don't think Scotland, NI, or Wales 'joined' the UK by democratic means either. Didn't the Scots. have a democratic independence referendum 6 years ago ? I am pretty sure they decided to remain as part of the union. Yep, so did we, so both are allowed to leave should they vote to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 11:35:15 GMT
In fairness though, I don't think Scotland, NI, or Wales 'joined' the UK by democratic means either. I would not know the real politics of the time, there's always different views and interpretations particularly hundreds of years later with different agendas. What is clear is that from the outset and since the formation of the UK it has clearly acted as a country. The EU has tried to get to political and economic union by secrecy, deception and stealth....which is one of the reasons it will fail. We pretty much got the union by force
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 26, 2020 11:42:11 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 26, 2020 11:46:00 GMT
I would not know the real politics of the time, there's always different views and interpretations particularly hundreds of years later with different agendas. What is clear is that from the outset and since the formation of the UK it has clearly acted as a country. The EU has tried to get to political and economic union by secrecy, deception and stealth....which is one of the reasons it will fail. We pretty much got the union by force I always said the EU Referendum should have been accompanied by compulsory History lessons.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 26, 2020 11:56:23 GMT
I would not know the real politics of the time, there's always different views and interpretations particularly hundreds of years later with different agendas. What is clear is that from the outset and since the formation of the UK it has clearly acted as a country. The EU has tried to get to political and economic union by secrecy, deception and stealth....which is one of the reasons it will fail. We pretty much got the union by force Similar bullying tactics as the EU then....it's a good thing that we have referendums in this enlightened era then. If Ireland or Scotland left the Union through consent of their population I'd be happy with that.I used to be passionate about a United Ireland when I was a member of the Labour party. Good luck to them. If they did leave hopefully the remaining members would treat them with honour and respect unlike the power hungry EU has done to the UK
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 26, 2020 11:57:14 GMT
We pretty much got the union by force I always said the EU Referendum should have been accompanied by compulsory History lessons. True and a few about the nature and purpose of the EU
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 26, 2020 13:41:28 GMT
Didn't the Scots. have a democratic independence referendum 6 years ago ? I am pretty sure they decided to remain as part of the union. Yep, so did we, so both are allowed to leave should they vote to. Correct it has only taken 3 years and 7 months for us to do so, should it take the same amount of time for the Scots to leave if that is they vote to do so ?, will the rest of the Union be due a divorce bill/payment from Scotland if they do leave ?
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Post by thevoid on Jan 26, 2020 13:59:51 GMT
Didn't the Scots. have a democratic independence referendum 6 years ago ? I am pretty sure they decided to remain as part of the union. Yep, so did we, so both are allowed to leave should they vote to. The Scots were allowed to have their referendum without the threat of police brutality or jail too, unlike in Spain where the EU has done nothing to address Catalan MPs being held as political prisoners (although we know the reason for that).
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