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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 17, 2020 18:18:25 GMT
We had to give up our fishing waters to join the EEC ("common market") and we will have to give them up to leave the EU. That's how the EU works. That's how the British government works. Badly, I believe is the word. Yes we agree on that RIP. We need a government that puts the UK first don't we?
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 18, 2020 8:39:15 GMT
Telling business they’ve known we were leaving the EU since 2016 & will have to adapt & they’re going to “skill” the North & the Midlands. What do you think they’re going to skill you as... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 18, 2020 9:05:57 GMT
Telling business they’ve known we were leaving the EU since 2016 & will have to adapt & they’re going to “skill” the North & the Midlands. What do you think they’re going to skill you as... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933"Northern Monkeys!" - Aaron Banks.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 18, 2020 9:20:20 GMT
Telling business they’ve known we were leaving the EU since 2016 & will have to adapt & they’re going to “skill” the North & the Midlands. What do you think they’re going to skill you as... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933"Northern Monkeys!" - Aaron Banks. I love how they dis business for “knowing” we were leaving the EU since 2016, but they’ve been in charge since 2010 & only now are they ‘talking’ about skilling up the North. £@#&!n Hypocrites
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Post by 3putts on Jan 18, 2020 9:31:43 GMT
Simple really. Vote in a bunch of twats get a load of twattish behaviour. Oh dear, Mr soundbite again. there isn't a trade deal yet, the EU are blackmailing us over OUR fishing waters as one part of it. Just how do you define our fishing waters?
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 18, 2020 13:03:25 GMT
Oh dear, Mr soundbite again. there isn't a trade deal yet, the EU are blackmailing us over OUR fishing waters as one part of it. Just how do you define our fishing waters? It's not difficult
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 18, 2020 14:36:52 GMT
Just how do you define our fishing waters? It's not difficult
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 15:09:28 GMT
Oh dear, Mr soundbite again. there isn't a trade deal yet, the EU are blackmailing us over OUR fishing waters as one part of it. Just how do you define our fishing waters? I'm just really surprised how angry people are about fishing waters to be honest.
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 18, 2020 16:15:46 GMT
Just how do you define our fishing waters? I'm just really surprised how angry people are about fishing waters to be honest. Don't you find the policy of throwing back all the dead fish that don't meet the EU fishing quotas an absolute crime ,
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 18, 2020 17:28:59 GMT
Just how do you define our fishing waters? It's not difficult Yes a couple of frigates should do it
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 18, 2020 18:02:29 GMT
Just how do you define our fishing waters? I'm just really surprised how angry people are about fishing waters to be honest. You obviously don't live near Fleetwood (where owners were paid to burn their boats), Hull, Grimsby, and a host of other former fishing ports. The steel and pottery industries were largely exported to China, whilst the fishing industry was largely export to our European "partners". The job losses were in countless 10,000s. On any given day there are typically 300 foreign fishing boats within the accepted definition of British waters, some of them massive factory ships. Families which fished for generations have had to pack in. Half Belgian fish is caught in British waters, they have massively increased their fishing. French fishermen have said they will take unilateral action against British fish sold in France if they lose access to British waters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 18:52:45 GMT
I'm just really surprised how angry people are about fishing waters to be honest. Don't you find the policy of throwing back all the dead fish that don't meet the EU fishing quotas an absolute crime , If that's the policy then absolutely. that's bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 18:53:35 GMT
I'm just really surprised how angry people are about fishing waters to be honest. You obviously don't live near Fleetwood (where owners were paid to burn their boats), Hull, Grimsby, and a host of other former fishing ports. The steel and pottery industries were largely exported to China, whilst the fishing industry was largely export to our European "partners". The job losses were in countless 10,000s. On any given day there are typically 300 foreign fishing boats within the accepted definition of British waters, some of them massive factory ships. Families which fished for generations have had to pack in. Half Belgian fish is caught in British waters, they have massively increased their fishing. French fishermen have said they will take unilateral action against British fish sold in France if they lose access to British waters. Lived in the town next to Fleetwood for 12 years
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2020 18:59:08 GMT
You obviously don't live near Fleetwood (where owners were paid to burn their boats), Hull, Grimsby, and a host of other former fishing ports. The steel and pottery industries were largely exported to China, whilst the fishing industry was largely export to our European "partners". The job losses were in countless 10,000s. On any given day there are typically 300 foreign fishing boats within the accepted definition of British waters, some of them massive factory ships. Families which fished for generations have had to pack in. Half Belgian fish is caught in British waters, they have massively increased their fishing. French fishermen have said they will take unilateral action against British fish sold in France if they lose access to British waters. Lived in the town next to Fleetwood for 12 years So are you saying you couldn't care less about our fishing industry?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 20:00:48 GMT
Lived in the town next to Fleetwood for 12 years So are you saying you couldn't care less about our fishing industry? no, not at all, just not sure why it is suddenly the most important thing on Earth, somehow more important than all the industries that will be losing trade when we leave. Although I suspect it's probably because it's one of few arguments for 'sovereignty' post-Brexit. I don't like the EU, but some of our apparent reasoning to leave is very odd to me.
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2020 20:03:43 GMT
So are you saying you couldn't care less about our fishing industry? no, not at all, just not sure why it is suddenly the most important thing on Earth, somehow more important than all the industries that will be losing trade when we leave. Although I suspect it's probably because it's one of few arguments for 'sovereignty' post-Brexit. I don't like the EU, but some of our apparent reasoning to leave is very odd to me. It's been a source of friction and irritation for people for well over 30 years and that's irrespective of the poor buugers and their ports who've lost out big time over the years. We're an island nation with a rich fishing heritage which has been decimated by membership of the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 20:06:14 GMT
no, not at all, just not sure why it is suddenly the most important thing on Earth, somehow more important than all the industries that will be losing trade when we leave. Although I suspect it's probably because it's one of few arguments for 'sovereignty' post-Brexit. I don't like the EU, but some of our apparent reasoning to leave is very odd to me. It's been a source of friction and irritation for people for well over 30 years and that's irrespective of the poor buugers and their ports who've lost out big time over the years. We're an island nation with a rich fishing heritage which has been decimated by membership of the EU. So we're leaving the EU under a govt that will enable big business to keep buying out small, green, local fisheries with deregulation?
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2020 20:15:04 GMT
It's been a source of friction and irritation for people for well over 30 years and that's irrespective of the poor buugers and their ports who've lost out big time over the years. We're an island nation with a rich fishing heritage which has been decimated by membership of the EU. So we're leaving the EU under a govt that will enable big business to keep buying out small, green, local fisheries with deregulation? If you think that's the only reason for leaving the EU then you really haven't been paying much attention to the debate on here over the years I was trying to explain to you it's an issue that's been festering for decades.... well before your arrival on this dying planet
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 20:27:41 GMT
So we're leaving the EU under a govt that will enable big business to keep buying out small, green, local fisheries with deregulation? If you think that's the only reason for leaving the EU then you really haven't been paying much attention to the debate on here over the years I was trying to explain to you it's an issue that's been festering for decades.... well before your arrival on this dying planet No I am aware that it isn't, but it is one of many that I feel are either poorly explained or weirdly elevated above other things.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 18, 2020 20:39:21 GMT
Discards: The issue of discards is another highly controversial aspect of the CFP and has gained a high level of media attention and public awareness in recent years. Discards refer to fish that have been caught by a commercial vessel which have to be thrown back into the sea. The reason for most discards is that a vessel will have ran out of quota for that species and is therefore unable to legally keep those fish and – under EU and CFP laws – have to throw them away. However, fish can also be discarded for other reasons. For example they may be too small to sell, a species which has no commercial value, or vessels may high-grade (throw away less valuable fish to make space for a higher-value species). Fish which are discarded back into the sea are almost always dead or dying, as they will have been crushed into a net and their swim bladder will have been ruptured by being dragged up from the seabed. It is estimated that in the North Sea alone around 800,000 – 900,000 tons of fish are discarded back into the sea every year.Common Fisheries Policy (CFP)Seems reasonable
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 18, 2020 20:54:46 GMT
Discards: The issue of discards is another highly controversial aspect of the CFP and has gained a high level of media attention and public awareness in recent years. Discards refer to fish that have been caught by a commercial vessel which have to be thrown back into the sea. The reason for most discards is that a vessel will have ran out of quota for that species and is therefore unable to legally keep those fish and – under EU and CFP laws – have to throw them away. However, fish can also be discarded for other reasons. For example they may be too small to sell, a species which has no commercial value, or vessels may high-grade (throw away less valuable fish to make space for a higher-value species). Fish which are discarded back into the sea are almost always dead or dying, as they will have been crushed into a net and their swim bladder will have been ruptured by being dragged up from the seabed. It is estimated that in the North Sea alone around 800,000 – 900,000 tons of fish are discarded back into the sea every year.Common Fisheries Policy (CFP)Seems reasonable Put it out there. I lived in Plymouth & remember gurnard & ling being despised. Same as monkfish, oysters & red mullet before 🐟
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 18, 2020 21:06:45 GMT
Discards: The issue of discards is another highly controversial aspect of the CFP and has gained a high level of media attention and public awareness in recent years. Discards refer to fish that have been caught by a commercial vessel which have to be thrown back into the sea. The reason for most discards is that a vessel will have ran out of quota for that species and is therefore unable to legally keep those fish and – under EU and CFP laws – have to throw them away. However, fish can also be discarded for other reasons. For example they may be too small to sell, a species which has no commercial value, or vessels may high-grade (throw away less valuable fish to make space for a higher-value species). Fish which are discarded back into the sea are almost always dead or dying, as they will have been crushed into a net and their swim bladder will have been ruptured by being dragged up from the seabed. It is estimated that in the North Sea alone around 800,000 – 900,000 tons of fish are discarded back into the sea every year.Common Fisheries Policy (CFP)Seems reasonable Put it out there. I lived in Plymouth & remember gurnard & ling being despised. Same as monkfish, oysters & red mullet before 🐟 Monkfish fillets £29.99/kg at Waitrose. Now I remember why I can't afford their prices...
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 18, 2020 21:07:58 GMT
So are you saying you couldn't care less about our fishing industry? no, not at all, just not sure why it is suddenly the most important thing on Earth, somehow more important than all the industries that will be losing trade when we leave. Although I suspect it's probably because it's one of few arguments for 'sovereignty' post-Brexit. I don't like the EU, but some of our apparent reasoning to leave is very odd to me. What industries do you see losing trade because we leave the EU? Please note we have a massive £60 billion pa trade deficit with the EU, including well over £20 billion pa with Germany. Our positive trade balance is with the rest of the world with whom most of our trade is. Free of EU restrictions we will be free to grow our trade more rapidly with the rest of the world. There are bound to be initial major problems and a period of adjustment, but in the long term we can look to huge trade growth as 90% of future world growth will be outside the EU, and other benefits such as lower food prices in the long term. The EU restricts food imports from outside the EU. Naturally it will take time to change from for example Spanish/Dutch/Polish tomatoes to Morroco/American etc. but cheaper in the long term.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 18, 2020 21:15:36 GMT
Man of principle is Jeremy no way on earth bercow should get a peerage.
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2020 21:18:22 GMT
If you think that's the only reason for leaving the EU then you really haven't been paying much attention to the debate on here over the years I was trying to explain to you it's an issue that's been festering for decades.... well before your arrival on this dying planet No I am aware that it isn't, but it is one of many that I feel are either poorly explained or weirdly elevated above other things. It's only weirdly elevated by you. There are a myriad of problems the UK has with the EU which have been paraded ad infinitum over these pages year after year. Have a read. time.com/4351849/brexit-grimsby-fishing-capital-eu/Remember this was once a thriving fishing port out of the many, many ports in the UK.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 18, 2020 21:34:42 GMT
Man of principle is Jeremy no way on earth bercow should get a peerage. I don’t think he’ll lose any sleep, he’s rock&roll
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 18, 2020 21:44:50 GMT
The EU merry go round: www.money-go-round.eu/Country.aspx?id=SEIf the UK makes a success of leaving the EU I think there will be a stampede of other countries wanting to leave. If most developed countries in the world outside the EU are successful, why shouldn't the world's 5th biggest economy?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 18, 2020 21:57:32 GMT
Man of principle is Jeremy no way on earth bercow should get a peerage. He'll get the CBE Cancel Brexit Enforcer
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2020 0:11:23 GMT
Man of principle is Jeremy no way on earth bercow should get a peerage. He'll get the CBE Cancel Brexit Enforcer No it will be a MBE massive bell end
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 19, 2020 9:47:46 GMT
Has Remain now been rebranded Rejoin? Maybe we should have a Remain (out) or rejoin referendum next year?
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