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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 17, 2019 5:38:26 GMT
A proper Brexit is back on the table. DC perhaps he's setting out from the outset that he " intends to get things done" and hopefully just as importantly sends a signal to the EU....but I hope that it doesn't encourage them to get a Brino done quickly.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 17, 2019 6:17:36 GMT
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Post by felonious on Dec 17, 2019 6:51:51 GMT
Nice summing up BJR.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 17, 2019 7:44:23 GMT
No Deal Brexit coming right up and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
We are fucked.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 17, 2019 8:04:35 GMT
No Deal Brexit coming right up and there's nothing anyone can do about it. We are fucked. A load of bollocks on both counts
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 17, 2019 8:12:24 GMT
No Deal Brexit coming right up and there's nothing anyone can do about it. We are fucked. A load of bollocks on both counts I’m not sure why Johnson feels the need to do this. Seems to me to be a symbolic gesture. But a needless one as he now has control of the house through his majority. Meaning he can make his new “law” on Brexit null and void at any time. A waste of time.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 17, 2019 8:40:23 GMT
A load of bollocks on both counts I’m not sure why Johnson feels the need to do this. Seems to me to be a symbolic gesture. But a needless one as he now has control of the house through his majority. Meaning he can make his new “law” on Brexit null and void at any time. A waste of time. no one in the Eu or parliment really wants a new deal. By having it on the table addresses the elephant in the room and hopefully means the negotiations work better The repeated laws to block the no deal which is actually enshrined in the A50 is one of the reasons labour lost on Brexit
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 17, 2019 8:42:12 GMT
A load of bollocks on both counts I’m not sure why Johnson feels the need to do this. Seems to me to be a symbolic gesture. But a needless one as he now has control of the house through his majority. Meaning he can make his new “law” on Brexit null and void at any time. A waste of time. It could be a very visible acute statement of intent." I'm in charge, I'm showing leadership and determination. I mean what I say. I'm a man of my word" I think Johnson and his team would have thought through the message to his party, Leavers, the country and the EU.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 17, 2019 8:42:50 GMT
If TARIFF free EU trade between the uk is so benificial to the EU surely they just keep the existing free trade deal
The EU need to stop the jealousy that the uk can strike their own deals elsewhere. They shouldn’t be adding tariffs on to us just to even out anything we gain on our own
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Post by thevoid on Dec 17, 2019 9:01:39 GMT
What is your obsession with shagging flags ! what a strange little man you are. It's not my obsession, it's the obsession of the right wing nationalists who have taken over the country. What about the Palestinian flags prevalent at Labour gatherings? What's that got to do with Britain or the working class?
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Post by Davef on Dec 17, 2019 9:04:21 GMT
If TARIFF free EU trade between the uk is so benificial to the EU surely they just keep the existing free trade deal The EU need to stop the jealousy that the uk can strike their own deals elsewhere. They shouldn’t be adding tariffs on to us just to even out anything we gain on our own There is no existing free trade deal. It's the Single Market, which you want no part of because of what comes with it.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 17, 2019 9:13:59 GMT
If TARIFF free EU trade between the uk is so benificial to the EU surely they just keep the existing free trade deal The EU need to stop the jealousy that the uk can strike their own deals elsewhere. They shouldn’t be adding tariffs on to us just to even out anything we gain on our own There is no existing free trade deal. It's the Single Market, which you want no part of because of what comes with it. I’d be happy with single market trade but not the free movement. If they really wanted to a tariff free trade deal would be easy to implement
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Post by Davef on Dec 17, 2019 9:27:08 GMT
There is no existing free trade deal. It's the Single Market, which you want no part of because of what comes with it. I’d be happy with single market trade but not the free movement. If they really wanted to a tariff free trade deal would be easy to implement There's more to it than just tariff free trade though isn't there? Johnson is being a dick setting such a short deadline.
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 17, 2019 9:35:19 GMT
I’d be happy with single market trade but not the free movement. If they really wanted to a tariff free trade deal would be easy to implement There's more to it than just tariff free trade though isn't there? Johnson is being a dick setting such a short deadline. Yeah he is let's set a 5 year deadline so the EU can fuck about hoping we revoke after the next GE.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 17, 2019 9:55:34 GMT
I’d be happy with single market trade but not the free movement. If they really wanted to a tariff free trade deal would be easy to implement There's more to it than just tariff free trade though isn't there? Johnson is being a dick setting such a short deadline. When the opposition is there to 'hold the govt's feet to the fire' to ensure they carry out their promises it's effective democracy. When we try it with the EU it's being a dick? Just checking.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 17, 2019 10:00:15 GMT
The best deal is to leave with no deal, then negotiate.
The EU have a £60 billion pa trade benefit with the UK and do no want to see a hard border in NI, they will be falling over themselves to agree an immediate temporary arrangement that changes nothing while a long term arrangement is thrashed out.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 10:01:40 GMT
Sounds about right
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 10:21:01 GMT
No deal is back on the table I see. Businesses up and down the country are sick to the back teeth.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 17, 2019 10:24:24 GMT
Interesting that La Monde (translated) are suggesting the withdrawal agreement may not be passed by MEP's as (quote) it cannot be excluded that certain MEPs are reluctant to approve an agreement which makes Northern Ireland a quasi-special economic zone which risks inciting certain companies to relocate their activities there. Could there be a no deal exit on 31/1/20 forced by MEP's??
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 10:29:43 GMT
Interesting that La Monde (translated) are suggesting the withdrawal agreement may not be passed by MEP's as (quote) it cannot be excluded that certain MEPs are reluctant to approve an agreement which makes Northern Ireland a quasi-special economic zone which risks inciting certain companies to relocate their activities there. Could there be a no deal exit on 31/1/20 forced by MEP's?? Johnson is to make it law that we have to leave at the end of next December trade deal or no trade deal. O good.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 17, 2019 10:35:25 GMT
Interesting that La Monde (translated) are suggesting the withdrawal agreement may not be passed by MEP's as (quote) it cannot be excluded that certain MEPs are reluctant to approve an agreement which makes Northern Ireland a quasi-special economic zone which risks inciting certain companies to relocate their activities there. Could there be a no deal exit on 31/1/20 forced by MEP's?? Johnson is to make it law that we have to leave at the end of next December trade deal or no trade deal. O good. Won't even get that far if the MEP's don't ratify the WA agreed last year by Barnier/Tusk/Juncker. Be the same but the other way round as Parliament throwing out May or Johnson's deal. Only one way to go (if a WA can't be struck) and that's an 'unmanaged Brexit, to use the EU term for no deal.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 17, 2019 10:40:06 GMT
Sounds about right They'd be the stupid northern voters Emily Thornberry was (allegedly) talking about.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 11:50:55 GMT
Sounds about right They'd be the stupid northern voters Emily Thornberry was (allegedly) talking about. My question would be "Why didn't you think Labour could resolve your situation?".
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 17, 2019 12:21:09 GMT
They'd be the stupid northern voters Emily Thornberry was (allegedly) talking about. My question would be "Why didn't you think Labour could resolve your situation?". Because they think that being a member of the European Union created their situation.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 17, 2019 12:26:53 GMT
My question would be "Why didn't you think Labour could resolve your situation?". Because they think that being a member of the European Union created their situation. Actually the " blaming" of the EU did not appear that prominent in Leave's argument. I know examples can be found and then Remainers can give the counter argument. The main thrust of Leavers' desire to leave was self determination and self governance irrespective of whether the EU had great policies or not.... the UK is capable of having great policies , made closer to home.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 12:32:04 GMT
My question would be "Why didn't you think Labour could resolve your situation?". Because they think that being a member of the European Union created their situation. And because they don't trust Corbyn and Labour. Who brought zero hour contracts in, and why have they been allowed in the EU?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 12:34:41 GMT
Because they think that being a member of the European Union created their situation. Actually the " blaming" of the EU did not appear that prominent in Leave's argument. I know examples can be found and then Remainers can give the counter argument. The main thrust of Leavers' desire to leave was self determination and self governance irrespective of whether the EU had great policies or not.... the UK is capable of having great policies , made closer to home. Yet Labour don't feel confident enough in their policies to go it alone. If socialism is the cure all, why is that?
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 17, 2019 12:48:49 GMT
Interesting that La Monde (translated) are suggesting the withdrawal agreement may not be passed by MEP's as (quote) it cannot be excluded that certain MEPs are reluctant to approve an agreement which makes Northern Ireland a quasi-special economic zone which risks inciting certain companies to relocate their activities there. Could there be a no deal exit on 31/1/20 forced by MEP's?? Johnson is to make it law that we have to leave at the end of next December trade deal or no trade deal. O good. Well that’s what his ERG paymasters wanted. The NHS will be set-up to fail like they have done with other departments & sold. It’s basically going to be an exercise in asset stripping...
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 13:14:41 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 17, 2019 13:52:16 GMT
Because they think that being a member of the European Union created their situation. And because they don't trust Corbyn and Labour. Who brought zero hour contracts in, and why have they been allowed in the EU? It's up to each country as to what they implement, and many don't allow it. It's also known as.... Control. You know, that thing we want back? Oh, we had it already. fullfact.org/law/zero-hours-contracts-uk-europe/
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