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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 14, 2019 11:33:43 GMT
Yes but to go where? I wonder if we will know in the next three years. Nowhere we are leaving the EU that was what the referendum was about, I know it's a long time since the democratic referendum in 2016 but I would assume you would have perhaps remembered our once in a lifetime vote, I also know where I am planning to be in three more years God willing after the Left was crushed. Where are you planning going to ? You still can’t give me any detail. It’s astonishing how the establishment have utterly conned leave voters. Hopefully the pro eu Boris Johnson of pre 2016 will reappear and mitigate the damage.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2019 11:43:18 GMT
Nowhere we are leaving the EU that was what the referendum was about, I know it's a long time since the democratic referendum in 2016 but I would assume you would have perhaps remembered our once in a lifetime vote, I also know where I am planning to be in three more years God willing after the Left was crushed. Where are you planning going to ? You still can’t give me any detail. It’s astonishing how the establishment have utterly conned leave voters. Hopefully the pro eu Boris Johnson of pre 2016 will reappear and mitigate the damage. "Nowhere" is that difficult for a "lawyer" to understand, it's pretty simple now what is your interpretation of democracy ?
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2019 14:39:00 GMT
Is that the sound of a penny dropping?
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 15, 2019 9:21:34 GMT
You still can’t give me any detail. It’s astonishing how the establishment have utterly conned leave voters. Hopefully the pro eu Boris Johnson of pre 2016 will reappear and mitigate the damage. "Nowhere" is that difficult for a "lawyer" to understand, it's pretty simple now what is your interpretation of democracy ? You literally have no clue what you voted for this country to become. Like North Korea perhaps? Or Norway? Democracy is not a referendum based on lies asking a simple question about an issue that is exceptionally complex and multi-faceted. It is not a first past the system either. Democracy would be seeing if people want to status quo or what Boris Johnson is proposing (if we ever find out what that is). And a political system which has a single transferable vote. Anyway, brexit is going to happen. I have been against it all the way. I’m hope to be proved wrong. I hope Johnson gets Brexit done by the end of next year and we have the comprehensive future relationship with the EU by then which delivers the same benefits we have now (as promised), ensures we are all as well off as we are now, ensures an extra £350m a week of tax revenue is received to spend on something like the NHs, keeps the union together, with no downturn in the economy - any downturn whatsoever was said to be project fear so we need to recover the missed growth over the last 3 and a half years since the vote and then exceed the growth we would have had including on wage growth so we are all much better off, maintaining all the rights we have now (I have been laughed at for suggesting trade or travel or study or research will be impacted in anyway by brexit for example) and bring the country back together. Falling short on any of the above means the leave voters and tory voters were lied to, duped and have failed and that the brexit referendum was a mistake. I am not optimistic about it, but prove me wrong and you right.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 15, 2019 9:32:28 GMT
"Nowhere" is that difficult for a "lawyer" to understand, it's pretty simple now what is your interpretation of democracy ? You literally have no clue what you voted for this country to become. Like North Korea perhaps? Or Norway? Democracy is not a referendum based on lies asking a simple question about an issue that is exceptionally complex and multi-faceted. It is not a first past the system either. Democracy would be seeing if people want to status quo or what Boris Johnson is proposing (if we ever find out what that is). And a political system which has a single transferable vote. Anyway, brexit is going to happen. I have been against it all the way. I’m hope to be proved wrong. I hope Johnson gets Brexit done by the end of next year and we have the comprehensive future relationship with the EU by then which delivers the same benefits we have now (as promised), ensures we are all as well off as we are now, ensures an extra £350m a week of tax revenue is received to spend on something like the NHs, keeps the union together, with no downturn in the economy - any downturn whatsoever was said to be project fear so we need to recover the missed growth over the last 3 and a half years since the vote and then exceed the growth we would have had including on wage growth so we are all much better off, maintaining all the rights we have now (I have been laughed at for suggesting trade or travel or study or research will be impacted in anyway by brexit for example) and bring the country back together. Falling short on any of the above means the leave voters and tory voters were lied to, duped and have failed and that the brexit referendum was a mistake. I am not optimistic about it, but prove me wrong and you right. The Torys have been £@#&!n us so hard & for so long, that I hardly feel it any more...
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Post by dannymadeley30 on Dec 15, 2019 9:37:14 GMT
Hopefully the hardest possible Brexit with the most suffering possible for the tory working class.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 15, 2019 9:50:32 GMT
Hopefully the hardest possible Brexit with the most suffering possible for the tory working class. As the Jewish saying goes, Careful what you wish for... “Antisemite!”
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2019 9:57:34 GMT
"Nowhere" is that difficult for a "lawyer" to understand, it's pretty simple now what is your interpretation of democracy ? You literally have no clue what you voted for this country to become. Like North Korea perhaps? Or Norway? Democracy is not a referendum based on lies asking a simple question about an issue that is exceptionally complex and multi-faceted. It is not a first past the system either. Democracy would be seeing if people want to status quo or what Boris Johnson is proposing (if we ever find out what that is). And a political system which has a single transferable vote. Anyway, brexit is going to happen. I have been against it all the way. I’m hope to be proved wrong. I hope Johnson gets Brexit done by the end of next year and we have the comprehensive future relationship with the EU by then which delivers the same benefits we have now (as promised), ensures we are all as well off as we are now, ensures an extra £350m a week of tax revenue is received to spend on something like the NHs, keeps the union together, with no downturn in the economy - any downturn whatsoever was said to be project fear so we need to recover the missed growth over the last 3 and a half years since the vote and then exceed the growth we would have had including on wage growth so we are all much better off, maintaining all the rights we have now (I have been laughed at for suggesting trade or travel or study or research will be impacted in anyway by brexit for example) and bring the country back together. Falling short on any of the above means the leave voters and tory voters were lied to, duped and have failed and that the brexit referendum was a mistake. I am not optimistic about it, but prove me wrong and you right. I get it your interpretation of democracy is to ignore or thwart the outcome of a democratic referendum that's enough for me
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Post by algor on Dec 15, 2019 14:54:06 GMT
Hopefully the hardest possible Brexit with the most suffering possible for the tory working class. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Dec 15, 2019 15:30:31 GMT
Hopefully the hardest possible Brexit with the most suffering possible for the tory working class. What a piece of shit you are.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 15, 2019 22:07:52 GMT
You literally have no clue what you voted for this country to become. Like North Korea perhaps? Or Norway? Democracy is not a referendum based on lies asking a simple question about an issue that is exceptionally complex and multi-faceted. It is not a first past the system either. Democracy would be seeing if people want to status quo or what Boris Johnson is proposing (if we ever find out what that is). And a political system which has a single transferable vote. Anyway, brexit is going to happen. I have been against it all the way. I’m hope to be proved wrong. I hope Johnson gets Brexit done by the end of next year and we have the comprehensive future relationship with the EU by then which delivers the same benefits we have now (as promised), ensures we are all as well off as we are now, ensures an extra £350m a week of tax revenue is received to spend on something like the NHs, keeps the union together, with no downturn in the economy - any downturn whatsoever was said to be project fear so we need to recover the missed growth over the last 3 and a half years since the vote and then exceed the growth we would have had including on wage growth so we are all much better off, maintaining all the rights we have now (I have been laughed at for suggesting trade or travel or study or research will be impacted in anyway by brexit for example) and bring the country back together. Falling short on any of the above means the leave voters and tory voters were lied to, duped and have failed and that the brexit referendum was a mistake. I am not optimistic about it, but prove me wrong and you right. I get it your interpretation of democracy is to ignore or thwart the outcome of a democratic referendum that's enough for me Your version is to have a vote and then never have another one. Absolutely nothing democratic about a once in a generation vote.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 15, 2019 22:13:14 GMT
Hopefully the hardest possible Brexit with the most suffering possible for the tory working class. There’s little worse than working class tories. Alf Garnett in Till Death Do is Part. There are over 300 food banks in Stoke and usage keeps rising sharply. Turkeys voting for Christmas
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 22:22:26 GMT
Hopefully the hardest possible Brexit with the most suffering possible for the tory working class. There’s little worse than working class tories. Alf Garnett in Till Death Do is Part. There are over 300 food banks in Stoke and usage keeps rising sharply. Turkeys voting for Christmas Don't worry, the Tories have just the solution for that.....
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2019 22:24:31 GMT
Hopefully the hardest possible Brexit with the most suffering possible for the tory working class. There’s little worse than working class tories. Alf Garnett in Till Death Do is Part. There are over 300 food banks in Stoke and usage keeps rising sharply. Turkeys voting for Christmas Turkey's voting for Christmas Didn't know what you were voting for Ashamed for you Just fuck off eh?
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Post by algor on Dec 15, 2019 22:36:25 GMT
Hopefully the hardest possible Brexit with the most suffering possible for the tory working class. There’s little worse than working class tories. Alf Garnett in Till Death Do is Part. There are over 300 food banks in Stoke and usage keeps rising sharply. Turkeys voting for Christmas We were left with no choice. This Labour party mocks and sneers at the people in the north, A middle class celebrity endorsed London centric elite. They care much more about Palestine than they do about Preston. You and Danny can come on here and wish the plague on Stoke as much as you like, it just reinforces what we knew. People like you and Danny don't want us to have a voice or choice, we should just know our station and do what C***s like you tell us to do! Do us all a favour and go F*** yourself! And take Danny with you.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2019 22:39:48 GMT
There’s little worse than working class tories. Alf Garnett in Till Death Do is Part. There are over 300 food banks in Stoke and usage keeps rising sharply. Turkeys voting for Christmas Don't worry, the Tories have just the solution for that..... Still hurting then ? your left wing wet dream is in the bin duck shredded by the decent working class people in our country, I bet that stings a rate dry bumming by your own ouch
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2019 22:43:17 GMT
There’s little worse than working class tories. Alf Garnett in Till Death Do is Part. There are over 300 food banks in Stoke and usage keeps rising sharply. Turkeys voting for Christmas We were left with no choice. This Labour party mocks and sneers at the people in the north, A middle class celebrity endorsed London centric elite. They care much more about Palestine than they do about Preston. You and Danny can come on here and wish the plague on Stoke as much as you like, it just reinforces what we knew. People like you and Danny don't want us to have a voice or choice, we should just know our station and do what C***s like you tell us to do! Do us all a favour and go F*** yourself! And take Danny with you. Apparently this bloke is a lawyer FFS thank God the silent majority have more common sense than these "educated" genius's
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2019 22:47:41 GMT
There’s little worse than working class tories. Alf Garnett in Till Death Do is Part. There are over 300 food banks in Stoke and usage keeps rising sharply. Turkeys voting for Christmas Don't worry, the Tories have just the solution for that..... More Turkeys ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 22:49:10 GMT
Don't worry, the Tories have just the solution for that..... More Turkeys ? Foodbanks are hilarious...........
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2019 22:52:53 GMT
There’s little worse than working class tories. Alf Garnett in Till Death Do is Part. There are over 300 food banks in Stoke and usage keeps rising sharply. Turkeys voting for Christmas Don't worry, the Tories have just the solution for that..... All charities have overheads, it's naive to suggest otherwise.
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Post by algor on Dec 15, 2019 22:57:40 GMT
More Turkeys ? Foodbanks are hilarious........... Nice to see you are back PP, how was your weekend?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:02:02 GMT
Don't worry, the Tories have just the solution for that..... All charities have overheads, it's naive to suggest otherwise. Overheads yes of course. But how much of Redemption Media's profits if any were down to this app, that is the question?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:03:36 GMT
Foodbanks are hilarious........... Nice to see you are back PP, how was your weekend? It's Christmas and I work in Logistics for a large retailer so to say it was shit would be an understatement......
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2019 23:10:01 GMT
All charities have overheads, it's naive to suggest otherwise. Overheads yes of course. But how much of Redemption Media's profits if any were down to this app, that is the question? I've no idea but just maybe they made a charitable contribution unlike most of us?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:15:10 GMT
Overheads yes of course. But how much of Redemption Media's profits if any were down to this app, that is the question? I've no idea but just maybe they made a charitable contribution unlike most of us? Maybe. But we're talking about a Tory MP and I'm a cynical bastard. With the rise in foodbanks under this government it's certainly a question that needs answering......
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2019 7:28:35 GMT
There’s little worse than working class tories. Alf Garnett in Till Death Do is Part. There are over 300 food banks in Stoke and usage keeps rising sharply. Turkeys voting for Christmas We were left with no choice. This Labour party mocks and sneers at the people in the north, A middle class celebrity endorsed London centric elite. They care much more about Palestine than they do about Preston. You and Danny can come on here and wish the plague on Stoke as much as you like, it just reinforces what we knew. People like you and Danny don't want us to have a voice or choice, we should just know our station and do what C***s like you tell us to do! Do us all a favour and go F*** yourself! And take Danny with you. Preston voted labour. Tory austerity is what Stoke voted for. Stoke have voted for the plague on themselves. Stoke voted for the most elite establishment organisation of all time (save for the royal family). I voted lib dem. None are perfect but once brexit happens and the working class and poor pay hardest for it, who will be blamed then for the plight of the working class or poor? Perhaps finally the elite establishment will take the blame and the most elite and establishment organisation on earth (other than royal families) will take the hit.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2019 7:30:11 GMT
We were left with no choice. This Labour party mocks and sneers at the people in the north, A middle class celebrity endorsed London centric elite. They care much more about Palestine than they do about Preston. You and Danny can come on here and wish the plague on Stoke as much as you like, it just reinforces what we knew. People like you and Danny don't want us to have a voice or choice, we should just know our station and do what C***s like you tell us to do! Do us all a favour and go F*** yourself! And take Danny with you. Apparently this bloke is a lawyer FFS thank God the silent majority have more common sense than these "educated" genius's I am a london lawyer yet you (who presumably is not) voted for the elite establishment! How strange
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Post by foster on Dec 16, 2019 9:44:56 GMT
In any case, pointing out problems with Tories should not be an issue. The 'we told you so' attitude of some remainers and the stubbornness to accept new facts from leavers isn't helpful.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 16, 2019 11:44:20 GMT
Apparently this bloke is a lawyer FFS thank God the silent majority have more common sense than these "educated" genius's I am a london lawyer yet you (who presumably is not) voted for the elite establishment! How strange That explains a lot. You would not begin to understand the justice metered out to the Labour Party last week. You must work with a lot of Tories who have made you bitter and twisted.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2019 13:06:08 GMT
I am a london lawyer yet you (who presumably is not) voted for the elite establishment! How strange That explains a lot. You would not begin to understand the justice metered out to the Labour Party last week. You must work with a lot of Tories who have made you bitter and twisted. Actually the vast majority of my firm and other lawyers I know are labour/lib dem voters. The vast majority are remainers, partly perhaps because they understand some legal issues relevant to brexit that (for very good reason) non-lawyers wouldn’t know about. I say this not in a condescending way. It is the same way a teacher knows more about the national curriculum, for example, than the majority of non-teachers, or a doctor knows more about the nhs than non-doctors. The minority of lawyers at my firm and with whom I have contact with are tory voters. I am not twisted. I am bitter at the fact that in this country democracy means repeating a lie over and over again and that is enough to dupe people into voting for it. It’s sad, and a reasonable reason to be bitter at this moment in time. The saddest thing of all is that I don’t think the primary reason many people who voted Tory was because they liked them the best. They seem to be mostly voting against labour. What a sorry state our democracy is in when the majority of votes are wasted as we do not have a democratic electoral system. Me and Farage are one and the same on that point. I am not sure exactly what you mean by justice metered out to labour. We have not had a labour government for almost a decade and since the last labour government we as a nation have steadily gone downhill on many things. Austerity and a failure to redistribute wealth fairly are the problems.
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