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Post by followyoudown on May 29, 2017 10:51:58 GMT
Do you not get it yet, everyone knows the government was trying to bring actual peace around, Corbyn did nothing of the sort or ever attempted it he was just a sympathasing cheerleader. No one calls Mo Mowlam a sympathiser because she actually was involved in the peace process, it's really not that hard. How you have the gall to keep repeating lies is a mystery known only to yourself. The only person who claims Jeremy Corbyn played any part in the peace process is Jeremy Corbyn not one single serious other person does, quite a conspiracy if that's the case. It must be bad if you don't have a meme for it and you have been unable to offer a single piece of evidence to prove it is lies.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 11:13:49 GMT
Reeks of apologism. Saying stuff like " When you engage in wars on Foreign soil it is bound to spawn retribution"...Sorry Red Gez....Did we suffer at the hands of German terrorists after WW1 & 2...Did we get Argies being suicide bombers after the Falklands. I suggest you shut yr commy gob, and if you want to talk about terrorism, how about finally denouncing your beloved IRA....Rotten Cunt. Your hero Maggie Thatcher stood and saluted the Mujahideen and had several cosy dinners with Pinochet just as a couple of examples. Don't be a hypocrite when it comes to Corbyn whatever your politics....
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Post by Northy on May 29, 2017 11:21:56 GMT
Reeks of apologism. Saying stuff like " When you engage in wars on Foreign soil it is bound to spawn retribution"...Sorry Red Gez....Did we suffer at the hands of German terrorists after WW1 & 2...Did we get Argies being suicide bombers after the Falklands. I suggest you shut yr commy gob, and if you want to talk about terrorism, how about finally denouncing your beloved IRA....Rotten Cunt. Your hero Maggie Thatcher stood and saluted the Mujahideen and had several cosy dinners with Pinochet just as a couple of examples. Don't be a hypocrite when it comes to Corbyn whatever your politics.... the mujahadin fought the communist government and soviet forces, the commies and soviets were our enemies at the time. Not a good idea dealing with Pinochet, but she stood up when The falklands were being invaded. however you are bringing up things again that have no similarity to the original issue, the IRA were attacking innocent Britains in Britain
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 11:22:15 GMT
Reeks of apologism. Saying stuff like " When you engage in wars on Foreign soil it is bound to spawn retribution"...Sorry Red Gez....Did we suffer at the hands of German terrorists after WW1 & 2...Did we get Argies being suicide bombers after the Falklands. I suggest you shut yr commy gob, and if you want to talk about terrorism, how about finally denouncing your beloved IRA....Rotten Cunt. Your hero Maggie Thatcher stood and saluted the Mujahideen and had several cosy dinners with Pinochet just as a couple of examples. Don't be a hypocrite when it comes to Corbyn whatever your politics.... Have we ever been the victims of Chilean terrorists. No. She supported the Mujahedeen in the face of a Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Hardly comparable to supporting and cosying up with the murdering bastards that Corbynski calls friends.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 11:40:07 GMT
Your hero Maggie Thatcher stood and saluted the Mujahideen and had several cosy dinners with Pinochet just as a couple of examples. Don't be a hypocrite when it comes to Corbyn whatever your politics.... the mujahadin fought the communist government and soviet forces, the commies and soviets were our enemies at the time. Not a good idea dealing with Pinochet, but she stood up when The falklands were being invaded. however you are bringing up things again that have no similarity to the original issue, the IRA were attacking innocent Britains in Britain The lines often get blurred. Corbyn gets accused of being a "terrorist sympathiser", Thatcher's actions regarding Pinochet would make her a "terrorist sympathiser" in my eyes. Of course it was all a bit more civil as she invited him round for tea at her house. Are we saying it's ok to have blood on your hands as long as the innocent civilians aren't British?
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 11:53:53 GMT
Nonsense. All governments don't 'have to' double Saddam Hussein's trade credit after he's massacred 170,000 Kurds (5000 or so of them by gas). They don't have to send the SAS to arm, train and support the Khmer Rouge. They don't have to be complicit in the murder of their own security forces in Northern Ireland. They don't have to arm Saudi Arabia for its illegal war in Yemen. At the same time as Saudi Arabia continues to spread the violent Wahhabist ideology so beloved of Islamic terrorists throughout our own country. Tory governments don't have to do any of this: they choose to. (In the case of Wahhabism, Labour is equally guilty). No problem - it's government's prerogative and it's MPs' own individual consciences that they'll have to live with. But let's at least be honest and not dress it up as a series of necessary evils. They weren't and they're not The Oxford Dictionary definition of terrorism is "The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Every one of the people and organisations I've listed above has been guilty of that. So I'm not mixing up despicable regimes with terrorists - it's perfectly possible to be both Try telling a Kurd that Saddam Hussein wasn't a terrorist, he was just a very naughty boy. Equally, when a child trod on a British-supplied landmine in the jungles of Cambodia, or a son got 'disappeared' in Chile, I'd assume families applied the dictionary definition, not yours. For the Tories and its media attack dogs to put this much time and effort into attacking Jeremy Corbyn for 'virtue signalling' - when they're so guilty of so much worse themselves - just demonstrates how desperate and how scared they've got. Good. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch Try reading what I wrote. I said Governments have to work with other governments including despicable regimes. What they choose to do is, of course, open to question and challenge. And Goverments frequently get it wrong. Left and right. For whatever reason. That's fairly clear. I guess you see Corbyn as the man to make a sea change in foreign policy. His history doesn't give much confidence in this regard. I did read what you wrote mate; that's why I pointed out the basic error in your statement "You're mixing up despicable regimes with terrorists". More often than not, despicable regimes are terrorists. The simple truth is that the Tories have a lot more blood on their hands than Jeremy Corbyn. Like, a fucking load more. I don't necessarily see Corbyn as the person to do anything regarding our foreign policy to be honest. (Although it's worth noting that his policy of talking to the IRA, once adopted by the mainstream, achieved far more in terms of lasting peace than anything Thatcher/Major ever did). For the main, I just can't be doing with the rank hypocrisy of the Tory smear campaign, that's all. Although I admit I do find it amusing how desperate they've become, in an election they have no right to lose
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Post by Northy on May 29, 2017 12:04:31 GMT
the mujahadin fought the communist government and soviet forces, the commies and soviets were our enemies at the time. Not a good idea dealing with Pinochet, but she stood up when The falklands were being invaded. however you are bringing up things again that have no similarity to the original issue, the IRA were attacking innocent Britains in Britain The lines often get blurred. Corbyn gets accused of being a "terrorist sympathiser", Thatcher's actions regarding Pinochet would make her a "terrorist sympathiser" in my eyes. Of course it was all a bit more civil as she invited him round for tea at her house. Are we saying it's ok to have blood on your hands as long as the innocent civilians aren't British? No I'm not saying that, I did say originally that it wasn't a good idea to deal with Pinochet, my point was you were deflecting from the original discussion about Corbyn, and peoples choice to vote him in, and not somebody who is dead.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 29, 2017 15:31:32 GMT
How you have the gall to keep repeating lies is a mystery known only to yourself. The only person who claims Jeremy Corbyn played any part in the peace process is Jeremy Corbyn not one single serious other person does, quite a conspiracy if that's the case. It must be bad if you don't have a meme for it and you have been unable to offer a single piece of evidence to prove it is lies. Plenty of evidence out there sunshine. You of course refuse to look. Why are you voting Tory by the way?
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Post by followyoudown on May 29, 2017 16:35:49 GMT
The only person who claims Jeremy Corbyn played any part in the peace process is Jeremy Corbyn not one single serious other person does, quite a conspiracy if that's the case. It must be bad if you don't have a meme for it and you have been unable to offer a single piece of evidence to prove it is lies. Plenty of evidence out there sunshine. You of course refuse to look. Why are you voting Tory by the way? If there was any evidence you would have provided it and Jeremy wouldn't have needed to do his oh I just remembered I did meet the IRA act. I'm voting Tory because I have a problem with lying IRA sympathasing scum. Judging by the reaction of the Labour canvassers this morning they must be getting a fair bit of that as they didn't even ask why when I said No, but then again next door had just told them not in this lifetime or the next
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Post by salopstick on May 29, 2017 17:57:38 GMT
Plenty of evidence out there sunshine. You of course refuse to look. Why are you voting Tory by the way? If there was any evidence you would have provided it and Jeremy wouldn't have needed to do his oh I just remembered I did meet the IRA act. I'm voting Tory because I have a problem with lying IRA sympathasing scum. Judging by the reaction of the Labour canvassers this morning they must be getting a fair bit of that as they didn't even ask why when I said No, but then again next door had just told them not in this lifetime or the next Nor the one after that
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Post by essexstokey on May 29, 2017 18:04:57 GMT
Now number 3
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 18:15:27 GMT
Can anyone actually link to or provide any concrete proof that Jeremy Corbyn is an IRA sympathiser?
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Post by essexstokey on May 29, 2017 18:20:02 GMT
Can anyone actually link to or provide any concrete proof that Jeremy Corbyn is an IRA sympathiser? No and that is the point the Tory party are trying the Donald trump approach at slinging mud and saying it enough times to make the electorate think its true
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Post by serpico on May 29, 2017 18:25:18 GMT
Islam and the middle east has a problem, it's called wahhabism, the west has a foreign policy problem which causes us to have a problem with wahhabism, this didn't even need to be our war, we could have allowed the civil war within Islam to rumble on watching from a safe distance, but the neocons in the US had other ideas after 9/11, all we had to do was take out bin laden and not get sucked into a wider war with the like of Saddam to avoid all of this. 9/11 should have been seen for what it was, a spectacular attack carried out by a small group of islamic pirates, they could have easily been contained and killed, instead we acted in a way that has helped islamic jihad spread by being strategically retarded.
If you want to know why we've gone into this mess it's because we've been fighting wars that are not in our national interest, bad things always happen to nations who don't act purely in their own national interest, other nations have too much influence over us, namely Saudi Arabia and Israel.
why should we have ever given a shit who is in charge in Iraq or Libya or syria ? it never mattered to our national security or interest one bit and if we carry on down this path we are going to create a clash of civilisations. Even if you disagree with corbyn, you should oppose more intervention because the people ruling our nations are fucking idiots who have no idea what they're doing, our enemy is far more savvy, they understand us better than we understand them.
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Post by serpico on May 29, 2017 18:41:44 GMT
Islam and the middle east has a problem, it's called wahhabism, the west has a foreign policy problem which causes us to have a problem with wahhabism, this didn't even need to be our war, we could have allowed the civil war within Islam to rumble on watching from a safe distance, but the neocons in the US had other ideas after 9/11, all we had to do was take out bin laden and not get sucked into a wider war with the like of Saddam to avoid all of this. 9/11 should have been seen for what it was, a spectacular attack carried out by a small group of islamic pirates, they could have easily been contained and killed, instead we acted in a way that has helped islamic jihad spread by being strategically retarded. If you want to know why we've gone into this mess it's because we've been fighting wars that are not in our national interest, bad things always happen to nations who don't act purely in their own national interest, other nations have too much influence over us, namely Saudi Arabia and Israel. why should we have ever given a shit who is in charge in Iraq or Libya or syria ? it never mattered to our national security or interest one bit and if we carry on down this path we are going to create a clash of civilisations. Even if you disagree with corbyn, you should oppose more intervention because the people ruling our nations are fucking idiots who have no idea what they're doing, our enemy is far more savvy, they understand us better than we understand them. Actually, it's America who has too much influence over us, and the saudis and Israelis have massive influence over them, hence Trumps first foreign visit was to these two nations.
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Post by serpico on May 29, 2017 18:49:56 GMT
to make things worse, we've been effectively double dealing in this terror war, on one hand "fighting terror" on the other backing vicious jihadi groups against the likes of Assad and Gadaffi, i know i sound like a stuck record but just thinking about the strategic retardation of our foreign policy makes me angry, i don't think any of the people in westminster have the depth of knowledge to lead us out of this conflict, they're just narcissistic, cliche spewing teleprompter readers.
Corbyn half gets it, but he clearly doesn't take the threat seriously because he never says what he'd do about the border, you can't ignore the threat, it exists, it's not going away for the foreseeable future, it wouldn't magically disappear if we change foreign policy, it would likely lessen, but imo we need a 2-3 year travel ban and a halt on immigration, which is ripe for exploitation by the enemy.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 19:34:27 GMT
Can anyone actually link to or provide any concrete proof that Jeremy Corbyn is an IRA sympathiser? No and that is the point the Tory party are trying the Donald trump approach at slinging mud and saying it enough times to make the electorate think its true Spot on.
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 19:49:35 GMT
Plenty of evidence out there sunshine. You of course refuse to look. Why are you voting Tory by the way? If there was any evidence you would have provided it and Jeremy wouldn't have needed to do his oh I just remembered I did meet the IRA act. I'm voting Tory because I have a problem with lying IRA sympathasing scum. Judging by the reaction of the Labour canvassers this morning they must be getting a fair bit of that as they didn't even ask why when I said No, but then again next door had just told them not in this lifetime or the next "IRA sympathising scum". Lol. As if Jeremy has anything whatsoever to do with you not voting Labour Deary me, fyd, you're losing your veneer of fusty, snobbish, insulated detachment in this dickless panic to smear the antichrist. Such emotive, irrational language. Take a deep breath. Relax. Your beloved old boiler will get over the line. It just might not be as convincing as it once seemed, what with the Conservative campaign being such a fucking abortion
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