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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 28, 2017 20:00:40 GMT
I have no idea what your politics are and frankly don't care. However ill informed, pathetic and baseless attacks on a decent man deserve to be challenged. Decent man who can't help lying about anything from train seatd to meetings with terrorists. What incidentially would a decent man be doing at a wreath laying for one of the Munich Terrorist scum ? You really should look at your own party if we're going to talk about lying and associating with terrorists FYD. I suspect you'd really not want to go down that route though eh?
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Post by partickpotter on May 28, 2017 20:09:25 GMT
Decent man who can't help lying about anything from train seatd to meetings with terrorists. What incidentially would a decent man be doing at a wreath laying for one of the Munich Terrorist scum ? You really should look at your own party if we're going to talk about lying and associating with terrorists FYD. I suspect you'd really not want to go down that route though eh? Go down that route, please.
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Post by followyoudown on May 28, 2017 20:15:39 GMT
You really should look at your own party if we're going to talk about lying and associating with terrorists FYD. I suspect you'd really not want to go down that route though eh? Go down that route, please. Yes please do
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Post by essexstokey on May 28, 2017 20:18:26 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on May 28, 2017 20:24:48 GMT
What a former IRA member turned informer is now in charge of bin collections, she gave up the cause when they started killing kids and has condemned the IRA since while Jeremy still waiting for his nobel prize for his part in the peace process still struggles to do this. There is no equivalence Jeremy and the gang who were fully supporting the IRA whilst they were killing people.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 28, 2017 20:39:52 GMT
What a former IRA member turned informer is now in charge of bin collections, she gave up the cause when they started killing kids and has condemned the IRA since while Jeremy still waiting for his nobel prize for his part in the peace process still struggles to do this. There is no equivalence Jeremy and the gang who were fully supporting the IRA whilst they were killing people. That's odd I could have sworn I heard him condemn the bombings just the other day. Sorry it just doesn't fit your warped agenda does it sunshine?
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Post by essexstokey on May 28, 2017 20:40:31 GMT
What a former IRA member turned informer is now in charge of bin collections, she gave up the cause when they started killing kids and has condemned the IRA since while Jeremy still waiting for his nobel prize for his part in the peace process still struggles to do this. There is no equivalence Jeremy and the gang who were fully supporting the IRA whilst they were killing people. Teresa may and her supporters
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 28, 2017 20:41:29 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 28, 2017 20:44:44 GMT
Seems like the public understand the truth, taken from yougov, owned by Tories as well
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 28, 2017 20:53:37 GMT
We've fought wars against Germany, how many German terrorists are in the country? None.
We've fought wars against Argentina, how many Argentinian terrorists are in the country? None.
If we'd never dropped a single bomb on the Middle East, would we still have Muslim terrorists in our country? Yup.
Yeah, it's our foreign policy that's the major issue.
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Post by followyoudown on May 28, 2017 20:54:04 GMT
Do you not get it yet, everyone knows the government was trying to bring actual peace around, Corbyn did nothing of the sort or ever attempted it he was just a sympathasing cheerleader. No one calls Mo Mowlam a sympathiser because she actually was involved in the peace process, it's really not that hard.
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Post by imho on May 28, 2017 21:03:21 GMT
Seems like the public understand the truth, taken from yougov, owned by Tories as well We as the public swallow any shit we're told (on the whole). IS have stated that the main reason they wish to attack us (to put it in its basic form) is that they don't like us and our lifestyle (as non Muslims). Yes dropping bombs across the middle East obviously isn't going to endear us to them but if we didn't fire another shot or drop another bomb nothing would change - terrorists would still target the UK. The only thing that our actions abroad could affect is the attitude of communities in this country - not turning young Muslim lads into radicals but stopping them reporting suspected radicals in their mist.
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Post by followyoudown on May 28, 2017 21:09:14 GMT
Seems like the public understand the truth, taken from yougov, owned by Tories as well We as the public swallow any shit we're told (on the whole). IS have stated that the main reason they wish to attack us (to put it in its basic form) is that they don't like us and our lifestyle (as non Muslims). Yes dropping bombs across the middle East obviously isn't going to endear us to them but if we didn't fire another shot or drop another bomb nothing would change - terrorists would still target the UK. The only thing that our actions abroad could affect is the attitude of communities in this country - not turning young Muslim lads into radicals but stopping them reporting suspected radicals in their mist. It's also at actual odds with the facts the bomber wanted us to intervene more in libya and syria not less.
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Post by manmarking on May 28, 2017 21:33:50 GMT
You really should look at your own party if we're going to talk about lying and associating with terrorists FYD. I suspect you'd really not want to go down that route though eh? Go down that route, please. From apartheid South Africa to Saudi Arabia, the IRA, the UDA/UFF, Saddam Hussein, Ayatollah Khomeini (by extension Hezbollah), Pinochet's Chile, the Khmer Rouge, General Ul Haq of Pakistan (by extension the Afghan mujahideen and al Qaeda), the 'rebels' in Libya...
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Post by serpico on May 28, 2017 22:14:10 GMT
bin laden himself said in 2004 that "If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example" a reference to swedens more neutral foreign policy, so it did used to be more about opposing US intervention in the middle east, he even used to claim he was waging a "defensive jihad" and forbid attacks on civilians, that policy changed after Israel carried out an attack on Qana that killed a bunch of civilians, But in general, isis seem to be even more nihilistic than AQ, which isn't surprising since the person who is often considered ISIS founding father was Musab Al Zaqawi who was the guy orchestrating all those gruesome beheadings in Iraq, which were so gruesome that Ayman Al Zawahiri (AQs then number2 in charge) sent a letter to Zaqawi telling him to tone things down, i think they even disowned him because he was killing too many other muslims and it was bad for recruitment, Zarqawi was never a de-facto member of AQ although he did pledge allegiance to OBL.
i'm not so sure what motivates these people anymore, they still mention foreign policy when giving their justification, but isis is killing many innocent muslims themselves, so how can it be that they hate us for killing muslims ? bit of cognitive dissonance there. However, i do know our foreign policy is strategically retarded, so corbyns conclusion that the war on terror has failed is right, even if he maybe got to that conclusion via bad logic.
i wouldn't be surprised if these isis people aren't all hopped up on some kind of drug, i remember Gadaffi making this claim as they overthrew him, the manchester bomber had a history of drug and alcohol abuse, maybe isis is the whacked out drug wing of Al Qeada ?
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Post by JoeinOz on May 28, 2017 22:37:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 3:47:58 GMT
Can't give reasons why he is a bad leader...3 words sum it up for me....Irish Republican Army. Oh and who is gonna pay for his manifesto, especially bringing back into public ownership previously privatized services. I will tell you who will pay...EVERY FUCKER...Higher Taxes, vastly reduced public services, it is a great idea if you have a magic wand, but it is just unthinkable and unworkable. Fully costed pal. You and other's obsession with the IRA is worrying to be honest. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3543024/Tory-councillor-resigns-over-secret-IRA-past-in-1970s.htmlMaybe this might help? Worrying....FFS. I suppose you forgive them as well. Try telling that to the countless numbers of families of innocent civilians that were MURDERED at the hands of these butchers, not to mention 100's maybe 1000's of Military and Police from Both Mainland UK and Ireland that were slaughtered...YES I AM OBSESSED....AAN RIGHTLY FUCKING SO.... You clearly don't think it's an issue that our potential PM ( Oink oink, Flap Flap ) is a supporter and friend of the group that caused so much death and destruction in one of our darkest periods of history. YOU ALF are a disgrace.
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Post by Northy on May 29, 2017 5:16:34 GMT
Corbyn voted against the anglo-irish agreement, two faced twat
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Post by partickpotter on May 29, 2017 5:33:14 GMT
Go down that route, please. From apartheid South Africa to Saudi Arabia, the IRA, the UDA/UFF, Saddam Hussein, Ayatollah Khomeini (by extension Hezbollah), Pinochet's Chile, the Khmer Rouge, General Ul Haq of Pakistan (by extension the Afghan mujahideen and al Qaeda), the 'rebels' in Libya... You're mixing up despicable regimes with terrorists. Of course, we may not like how our Goverment engages with these regimes (Thatcher and Pinochet being particularly nauseating) but it seems the mantra "my enemy's enemy is my friend" applies quite consistently and with devastating consequences as seen in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The IRA reference you make is very interesting as you make it in conjunction with their loyalist (and equally murderous) counterparts the UDA/UDF. Of course Governments of either hue established some communication with these groups during the Troubles. Distasteful for sure, but correct politics. Talk to both sides because both sides are needed for a solution. Corbyn though, spoke with just the IRA. Why didn't he talk with the other lot? I'll speculate that it's because, as a left winger, he identified with the populist oppressed. His interest wasn't peace. It was, using the modern parlance, virtue signalling. Same goes for his dalliance with Hamas and Hezbollah.
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Post by Northy on May 29, 2017 6:44:19 GMT
you can see him just behind gerry adams, peace talks in a neutral venue ?
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Post by bathstoke on May 29, 2017 6:51:41 GMT
We've fought wars against Germany, how many German terrorists are in the country? None. We've fought wars against Argentina, how many Argentinian terrorists are in the country? None. If we'd never dropped a single bomb on the Middle East, would we still have Muslim terrorists in our country? Yup. Yeah, it's our foreign policy that's the major issue. You can't compare fighting Islamists with S American Dictators & Nazis or the IRA for that matter
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Post by bathstoke on May 29, 2017 7:04:04 GMT
Corbyn voted against the anglo-irish agreement, two faced twat & Lloyd Jebadia Pitworth II(Chicken Mays 1st boyfriend) Voted against the Anglo Irish Treaty 🎩🐔☘
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 8:34:56 GMT
From apartheid South Africa to Saudi Arabia, the IRA, the UDA/UFF, Saddam Hussein, Ayatollah Khomeini (by extension Hezbollah), Pinochet's Chile, the Khmer Rouge, General Ul Haq of Pakistan (by extension the Afghan mujahideen and al Qaeda), the 'rebels' in Libya... You're mixing up despicable regimes with terrorists - which all Governments have to do. Of course, we may not like what they do with do with these regimes (Thatcher and Pinochet being particularly nauseating) but it seems the mantra "my enemy's enemy is my friend" applies quite consistently and with devastating consequences as seen in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The IRA reference you make is very interesting as you make it in conjunction with their loyalist (and equally murderous) counterparts the UDA/UDF. Of course Governments of either hue established some communication with these groups during the Troubles. Distasteful for sure, but correct politics. Talk to both sides because both sides are needed for a solution. Corbyn though, spoke with just the IRA. Why didn't he talk with the other lot? I'll speculate that it's because, as a left winger, he identified with the populist oppressed. His interest wasn't peace. It was, using the modern parlance, virtue signalling. Same goes for his dalliance with Hamas and Hezbollah. Nonsense. All governments don't 'have to' double Saddam Hussein's trade credit after he's massacred 170,000 Kurds (5000 or so of them by gas). They don't have to send the SAS to arm, train and support the Khmer Rouge. They don't have to be complicit in the murder of their own security forces in Northern Ireland. They don't have to arm Saudi Arabia for its illegal war in Yemen. At the same time as Saudi Arabia continues to spread the violent Wahhabist ideology so beloved of Islamic terrorists throughout our own country. Tory governments don't have to do any of this: they choose to. (In the case of Wahhabism, Labour is equally guilty). No problem - it's government's prerogative and it's MPs' own individual consciences that they'll have to live with. But let's at least be honest and not dress it up as a series of necessary evils. They weren't and they're not The Oxford Dictionary definition of terrorism is "The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Every one of the people and organisations I've listed above has been guilty of that. So I'm not mixing up despicable regimes with terrorists - it's perfectly possible to be both Try telling a Kurd that Saddam Hussein wasn't a terrorist, he was just a very naughty boy. Equally, when a child trod on a British-supplied landmine in the jungles of Cambodia, or a son got 'disappeared' in Chile, I'd assume families applied the dictionary definition, not yours. For the Tories and its media attack dogs to put this much time and effort into attacking Jeremy Corbyn for 'virtue signalling' - when they're so guilty of so much worse themselves - just demonstrates how desperate and how scared they've got. Good. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch
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Post by Northy on May 29, 2017 9:25:31 GMT
Corbyn voted against the anglo-irish agreement, two faced twat & Lloyd Jebadia Pitworth II(Chicken Mays 1st boyfriend) Voted against the Anglo Irish Treaty 🎩🐔☘ so she ditched him then labour should ditch corbyn ?
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Post by salopstick on May 29, 2017 9:34:48 GMT
& Lloyd Jebadia Pitworth II(Chicken Mays 1st boyfriend) Voted against the Anglo Irish Treaty 🎩🐔☘ so she ditched him then labour should ditch corbyn ? They will pal. In just over two weeks
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 29, 2017 9:40:46 GMT
Do you not get it yet, everyone knows the government was trying to bring actual peace around, Corbyn did nothing of the sort or ever attempted it he was just a sympathasing cheerleader. No one calls Mo Mowlam a sympathiser because she actually was involved in the peace process, it's really not that hard. How you have the gall to keep repeating lies is a mystery known only to yourself.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 29, 2017 9:41:38 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 29, 2017 9:49:14 GMT
Worrying....FFS. I suppose you forgive them as well. Try telling that to the countless numbers of families of innocent civilians that were MURDERED at the hands of these butchers, not to mention 100's maybe 1000's of Military and Police from Both Mainland UK and Ireland that were slaughtered...YES I AM OBSESSED....AAN RIGHTLY FUCKING SO.... You clearly don't think it's an issue that our potential PM ( Oink oink, Flap Flap ) is a supporter and friend of the group that caused so much death and destruction in one of our darkest periods of history. YOU ALF are a disgrace. You're talking out of your arse sunshine.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 10:31:30 GMT
Worrying....FFS. I suppose you forgive them as well. Try telling that to the countless numbers of families of innocent civilians that were MURDERED at the hands of these butchers, not to mention 100's maybe 1000's of Military and Police from Both Mainland UK and Ireland that were slaughtered...YES I AM OBSESSED....AAN RIGHTLY FUCKING SO.... You clearly don't think it's an issue that our potential PM ( Oink oink, Flap Flap ) is a supporter and friend of the group that caused so much death and destruction in one of our darkest periods of history. YOU ALF are a disgrace. You're talking out of your arse sunshine. Silly of me to expect Allah's Left Foot to not be a Corbyn supporter, 2 cheeks from the same apologist arse if you ask me...You out on yr bench swigging Tramp Juice on this fine Bank Holiday ?. Attachment Deleted
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Post by partickpotter on May 29, 2017 10:48:04 GMT
You're mixing up despicable regimes with terrorists - which all Governments have to do. Of course, we may not like what they do with do with these regimes (Thatcher and Pinochet being particularly nauseating) but it seems the mantra "my enemy's enemy is my friend" applies quite consistently and with devastating consequences as seen in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The IRA reference you make is very interesting as you make it in conjunction with their loyalist (and equally murderous) counterparts the UDA/UDF. Of course Governments of either hue established some communication with these groups during the Troubles. Distasteful for sure, but correct politics. Talk to both sides because both sides are needed for a solution. Corbyn though, spoke with just the IRA. Why didn't he talk with the other lot? I'll speculate that it's because, as a left winger, he identified with the populist oppressed. His interest wasn't peace. It was, using the modern parlance, virtue signalling. Same goes for his dalliance with Hamas and Hezbollah. Nonsense. All governments don't 'have to' double Saddam Hussein's trade credit after he's massacred 170,000 Kurds (5000 or so of them by gas). They don't have to send the SAS to arm, train and support the Khmer Rouge. They don't have to be complicit in the murder of their own security forces in Northern Ireland. They don't have to arm Saudi Arabia for its illegal war in Yemen. At the same time as Saudi Arabia continues to spread the violent Wahhabist ideology so beloved of Islamic terrorists throughout our own country. Tory governments don't have to do any of this: they choose to. (In the case of Wahhabism, Labour is equally guilty). No problem - it's government's prerogative and it's MPs' own individual consciences that they'll have to live with. But let's at least be honest and not dress it up as a series of necessary evils. They weren't and they're not The Oxford Dictionary definition of terrorism is "The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Every one of the people and organisations I've listed above has been guilty of that. So I'm not mixing up despicable regimes with terrorists - it's perfectly possible to be both Try telling a Kurd that Saddam Hussein wasn't a terrorist, he was just a very naughty boy. Equally, when a child trod on a British-supplied landmine in the jungles of Cambodia, or a son got 'disappeared' in Chile, I'd assume families applied the dictionary definition, not yours. For the Tories and its media attack dogs to put this much time and effort into attacking Jeremy Corbyn for 'virtue signalling' - when they're so guilty of so much worse themselves - just demonstrates how desperate and how scared they've got. Good. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch Try reading what I wrote. I said Governments have to work with other governments including despicable regimes. What they choose to do is, of course, open to question and challenge. And Goverments frequently get it wrong. Left and right. For whatever reason. That's fairly clear. I guess you see Corbyn as the man to make a sea change in foreign policy. His history doesn't give much confidence in this regard.
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