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Post by followyoudown on May 26, 2017 10:51:50 GMT
In a completely bollocks kind of a way ? Those thousands of muslims ISIS kill in Iraq, Libya etc any useful advice on what they should do to stop being killed ? It's almost like ISIS just like killling people. Of course its a lot more complex than just our own foreign policy but to suggest our own actions are non contributory is utter nonsense and any sane person would accept that. That is just arrant nonsense ISIS want a worldwide islamic state, unless you want to go all in and start throwing gay people off buildings, they will find another reason to kill and maim innocent peoole. They just like killing people it's not hard to understand.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 26, 2017 10:53:18 GMT
Of course its a lot more complex than just our own foreign policy but to suggest our own actions are non contributory is utter nonsense and any sane person would accept that. They just like killing people it's not hard to understand. I'd have thought that's the hardest thing to understand of all.
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Post by lordb on May 26, 2017 11:46:51 GMT
Yes. Remember 9/11 took place before Iraq (I assume you're referring to the second Gulf War). That's a point I made yesterday. Our foreign policy in the Middle East changed after some idiots decided to crash planes into buildings. They forced a response. With hindsight it may have been the wrong response. But I get the feeling they would have continued this terror until they got that response. whats this hindsight bullshit? It was blindingly obvious to millions at the time that the Iraq war especially but also the Afghanistan war was going to lead to more terrorism against us not less.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 26, 2017 11:52:05 GMT
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Post by thevoid on May 26, 2017 17:30:13 GMT
Sorry, not buying the foreign policy excuse for ISIS attacks here. Not when ISIS are raping and killing Muslims in their droves themselves.
Left wing deflection.
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Post by Boothen on May 26, 2017 18:14:59 GMT
Yeah, I'll just leave these here...
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 26, 2017 18:43:15 GMT
Yeah, I'll just leave these here... Just caught some of Andrew Neil grilling him. Interesting. Somewhat at odds with this mornings line.
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Post by 3putts on May 26, 2017 19:02:36 GMT
just knew the tories would milk this for all its worth.if you listen to what he says all those years ago he is not wrong is he. i still believe the world changed when madmen flew planes into buildings.but what can you do? to do nothing was not an option.
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Post by robstokie on May 26, 2017 23:50:06 GMT
Corby really is a despicable cretin. I hate his middle-class we know what's best for you attitude and I despise his hard-left economic and social policy that leave hard-working Brits at the bottom of the pile behind wasters, but it's his anti-british(Britain's ALWAYS wrong)/pro terrorist (probably because he hates western culture as much as them) bollocks that really grinds my gears. If we have learnt anything from the devastating events of last week, we need a strong leader who will stand up to Islamist hate ideology, not some kow-towing old commie who idolises the murderous Stalinist/Leninist quasi religion who will pander to terrorists because 'they are freedom fighters fighting against our disgraceful society'.
Rant Over
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 27, 2017 0:21:35 GMT
Goodness me there are lots of people on here struggling with an "uncomfortable truth" are there not? He's spot on and you all know it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 27, 2017 0:26:02 GMT
Corby really is a despicable cretin. I hate his middle-class we know what's best for you attitude and I despise his hard-left economic and social policy that leave hard-working Brits at the bottom of the pile behind wasters, but it's his anti-british(Britain's ALWAYS wrong)/pro terrorist (probably because he hates western culture as much as them) bollocks that really grinds my gears. If we have learnt anything from the devastating events of last week, we need a strong leader who will stand up to Islamist hate ideology, not some kow-towing old commie who idolises the murderous Stalinist/Leninist quasi religion who will pander to terrorists because 'they are freedom fighters fighting against our disgraceful society'. Rant Over The crazy thing is you and others on here think Theresa May is standing up for you. Stupid isn't the word.
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Post by Boothen on May 27, 2017 4:16:10 GMT
Corby really is a despicable cretin. I hate his middle-class we know what's best for you attitude and I despise his hard-left economic and social policy that leave hard-working Brits at the bottom of the pile behind wasters, but it's his anti-british(Britain's ALWAYS wrong)/pro terrorist (probably because he hates western culture as much as them) bollocks that really grinds my gears. If we have learnt anything from the devastating events of last week, we need a strong leader who will stand up to Islamist hate ideology, not some kow-towing old commie who idolises the murderous Stalinist/Leninist quasi religion who will pander to terrorists because 'they are freedom fighters fighting against our disgraceful society'. Rant Over The crazy thing is you and others on here think Theresa May is standing up for you. Stupid isn't the word. Typical lefty, automatically assuming that just because people don't agree with Comrade Corbyn, his anti-British views and are revulsed by his support of terrorism that they must be nasty little tories. You know that just makes you look stupid, right?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 4:41:37 GMT
Goodness me there are lots of people on here struggling with an "uncomfortable truth" are there not? He's spot on and you all know it. Ahhh...ALF...The voice of tree hugging sandal wearing apologist pinkos everywhere. Go back to your bedsit and read yout Big Issue, and have a bowl of lentils washed down with a litre of White Lightening.
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Post by serpico on May 28, 2017 9:45:56 GMT
There's just been an attack in America where a guy has killed 2 muslims at a train station, are people on the left going to tell us "well, muslims just killed 22 people in manchester so retribution is inevitable" ?
i half agree with corbyn, our foreign policy is counterproductive in combatting terror, but it's more complex than "we bomb them so they want to bomb us" there is a problem within islam and it's called wahhabism, it comes out of saudi arabia and it's gained traction in the islamic world since our interventions from 2003, so there is a foreign policy link, but our foreign policy didn't create wahhabism! I don't even know why there has to be one overarching explanation, can't both be right ? that our foreign policy makes us less safe but at the same time Islam has a major problem from within it ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 28, 2017 11:56:53 GMT
There's just been an attack in America where a guy has killed 2 muslims at a train station, are people on the left going to tell us "well, muslims just killed 22 people in manchester so retribution is inevitable" ? i half agree with corbyn, our foreign policy is counterproductive in combatting terror, but it's more complex than "we bomb them so they want to bomb us" there is a problem within islam and it's called wahhabism, it comes out of saudi arabia and it's gained traction in the islamic world since our interventions from 2003, so there is a foreign policy link, but our foreign policy didn't create wahhabism! I don't even know why there has to be one overarching explanation, can't both be right ? that our foreign policy makes us less safe but at the same time Islam has a major problem from within it ? Saudi Arabia is the petri dish from which the greatest rump of terror grows. You'd think their leaders would be kept at arms length and sternly told to brush up their act on Terror and Human Rights. Instead........ Our whole foreign policy is a mess.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 28, 2017 12:04:58 GMT
The crazy thing is you and others on here think Theresa May is standing up for you. Stupid isn't the word. Typical lefty, automatically assuming that just because people don't agree with Comrade Corbyn, his anti-British views and are revulsed by his support of terrorism that they must be nasty little tories. You know that just makes you look stupid, right? I have no idea what your politics are and frankly don't care. However ill informed, pathetic and baseless attacks on a decent man deserve to be challenged.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 28, 2017 12:06:43 GMT
Goodness me there are lots of people on here struggling with an "uncomfortable truth" are there not? He's spot on and you all know it. Ahhh...ALF...The voice of tree hugging sandal wearing apologist pinkos everywhere. Go back to your bedsit and read yout Big Issue, and have a bowl of lentils washed down with a litre of White Lightening. Better than spouting spiteful childish shite like your good self though eh? Pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 12:34:30 GMT
Corby really is a despicable cretin. I hate his middle-class we know what's best for you attitude and I despise his hard-left economic and social policy that leave hard-working Brits at the bottom of the pile behind wasters, but it's his anti-british(Britain's ALWAYS wrong)/pro terrorist (probably because he hates western culture as much as them) bollocks that really grinds my gears. If we have learnt anything from the devastating events of last week, we need a strong leader who will stand up to Islamist hate ideology, not some kow-towing old commie who idolises the murderous Stalinist/Leninist quasi religion who will pander to terrorists because 'they are freedom fighters fighting against our disgraceful society'. Rant Over The crazy thing is you and others on here think Theresa May is standing up for you. Stupid isn't the word. I know she isnt Paul I also know corbyn is a poor excuse of an opposition
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 28, 2017 12:38:05 GMT
The crazy thing is you and others on here think Theresa May is standing up for you. Stupid isn't the word. I know she isnt Paul I also know corbyn is a poor excuse of an opposition And yet you and others cannot give any decent reasons as to why eh? Look at the Labour Manifesto and tell me what there is in there that you disagree with.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 13:16:00 GMT
I know she isnt Paul I also know corbyn is a poor excuse of an opposition And yet you and others cannot give any decent reasons as to why eh? Look at the Labour Manifesto and tell me what there is in there that you disagree with. He is a weak leader, when May has handed him opportunities in PMQ's he has completely missed his chance and has had to be prompted by others. If anyone were to give a good reason why Corbyn is poor opposition you wouldn't listen anyway. His front bench turned on him because he is so poor and he has made more changes than hughes did last season because they kept walking. Anyway Lal la laa,
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 13:29:03 GMT
I know she isnt Paul I also know corbyn is a poor excuse of an opposition And yet you and others cannot give any decent reasons as to why eh? Look at the Labour Manifesto and tell me what there is in there that you disagree with. Can't give reasons why he is a bad leader...3 words sum it up for me....Irish Republican Army. Oh and who is gonna pay for his manifesto, especially bringing back into public ownership previously privatized services. I will tell you who will pay...EVERY FUCKER...Higher Taxes, vastly reduced public services, it is a great idea if you have a magic wand, but it is just unthinkable and unworkable.
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Post by desman2 on May 28, 2017 13:36:41 GMT
And yet you and others cannot give any decent reasons as to why eh? Look at the Labour Manifesto and tell me what there is in there that you disagree with. Can't give reasons why he is a bad leader...3 words sum it up for me....Irish Republican Army. Oh and who is gonna pay for his manifesto, especially bringing back into public ownership previously privatized services. I will tell you who will pay...EVERY FUCKER...Higher Taxes, vastly reduced public services, it is a great idea if you have a magic wand, but it is just unthinkable and unworkable. He cant renationalise without leaving the EU.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 28, 2017 13:52:17 GMT
If the IRA had oil reserves there would have been a long list of tories queuing to talk to them. Terrorists or not.
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Post by harryburrows on May 28, 2017 13:57:33 GMT
If the IRA had oil reserves there would have been a long list of tories queuing to talk to them. Terrorists or not. You once said you'd try not to post after you had a drink
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Post by capto on May 28, 2017 14:02:46 GMT
Reeks of apologism. Saying stuff like " When you engage in wars on Foreign soil it is bound to spawn retribution"...Sorry Red Gez....Did we suffer at the hands of German terrorists after WW1 & 2...Did we get Argies being suicide bombers after the Falklands. I suggest you shut yr commy gob, and if you want to talk about terrorism, how about finally denouncing your beloved IRA....Rotten Cunt. You're the rotten c*nt - get your facts right dickhead. He spoke with sein fein, not the IRA. Heath, thatcher,major all held talks with the IRA - yes the actual IRA - but no apologies from the tories. Just like you, they tell lies that fit the preconceptions of the ignorant. The wars you mention were against countries that eventually surrendered - the war against isis is completely different. Research your lies first.
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Post by followyoudown on May 28, 2017 14:06:29 GMT
Typical lefty, automatically assuming that just because people don't agree with Comrade Corbyn, his anti-British views and are revulsed by his support of terrorism that they must be nasty little tories. You know that just makes you look stupid, right? I have no idea what your politics are and frankly don't care. However ill informed, pathetic and baseless attacks on a decent man deserve to be challenged. Decent man who can't help lying about anything from train seatd to meetings with terrorists. What incidentially would a decent man be doing at a wreath laying for one of the Munich Terrorist scum ?
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Post by imho on May 28, 2017 14:14:49 GMT
TBF Corbyn does seem like a person who forms his own opinion and sticks to his guns not matter the affect on his (or his party s) popularity, which I like. I also like that he's trying to take labour back to the left and therefore creating a gap between the parties where differences​ can be seen more readily and allowed to grow.
The current policies of getting rid of tuition fees and some renationalise of certain industries is also hard not to agree with.
However in practice I'm concerned on where all this money would come from (we could have 5 yrs of spending followed by a much longer period of Tories making cuts to try and balance the books again). I'm also concerned that he would be to stuck in his own opinions to change (something that I've already praised him for) if matters deemed it to be so (mainly thinking in relation to the current terrorist threat - as he doesn't have an afro to change).
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 15:13:05 GMT
Reeks of apologism. Saying stuff like " When you engage in wars on Foreign soil it is bound to spawn retribution"...Sorry Red Gez....Did we suffer at the hands of German terrorists after WW1 & 2...Did we get Argies being suicide bombers after the Falklands. I suggest you shut yr commy gob, and if you want to talk about terrorism, how about finally denouncing your beloved IRA....Rotten Cunt. You're the rotten c*nt - get your facts right dickhead. He spoke with sein fein, not the IRA. Heath, thatcher,major all held talks with the IRA - yes the actual IRA - but no apologies from the tories. Just like you, they tell lies that fit the preconceptions of the ignorant. The wars you mention were against countries that eventually surrendered - the war against isis is completely different. Research your lies first. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/5551027
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 28, 2017 19:56:47 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 28, 2017 19:58:15 GMT
And yet you and others cannot give any decent reasons as to why eh? Look at the Labour Manifesto and tell me what there is in there that you disagree with. Can't give reasons why he is a bad leader...3 words sum it up for me....Irish Republican Army. Oh and who is gonna pay for his manifesto, especially bringing back into public ownership previously privatized services. I will tell you who will pay...EVERY FUCKER...Higher Taxes, vastly reduced public services, it is a great idea if you have a magic wand, but it is just unthinkable and unworkable. Fully costed pal. You and other's obsession with the IRA is worrying to be honest. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3543024/Tory-councillor-resigns-over-secret-IRA-past-in-1970s.htmlMaybe this might help?
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