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Post by bathstoke on May 26, 2017 8:40:48 GMT
That's exactly what they want you to think. Well done for playing into their hands 👏🏼 As opposed to doing nothing and playing into their hands so that in 50 years Britain becomes a predominantly Muslim country which is exactly what they want, Well done. Edit: When a surgeon finds cancer he doesn't leave it to grow and flourish he cuts it out or the patient dies. That logic died with the NF
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2017 8:41:48 GMT
Anyone sick of hearing community community community, 'pulling together' on tv news? What a load of old bollocks they keep peddling Dragging up a Jew and a Muslim and making out that it's the norm Bringing in uni students from all countries talking of their love for Manchester etc Jesus fuckeyed Christ. Let's concentrate on the reality, the poor fuckers who were murdered and injured and how it can be stopped from happening again And not this brainwashing the masses bollocks I live in Manchester in an area that has a huge Jewish and Muslim population. The REALITY in my world is closer to your sneering observations than the picture some on here want to paint. That's not me being brainwashed, I have my own set of eyes and ears and I speak to people and make my own judgements..... Prestwich Surely those peace loving and integrated Muslims in particular should be more vocally assertive in condemnation of those that perpetuate such atrocities.. ..and they do seem to be within the multicultural community that you describe. Surely it is in THEIR interest to take or support action to remove this problem from their midst? Surely it's a case of being on the side of humanity, harmony and peace rather than turning a blind eye to those who advocate violence. My experience of the Muslim community is one of fear, obedience, conformity...what does concern me is whether this is just an element of binding their time until Islam is in the unassailable position of being a major ( is it already?) force of influence in UK society......implicit acceptance of the extreme element for the greter good of Islam. I have lived in and worked in multi cultural settings...behind the harmony there are real issues of the cultural treatment of women,homosexuals, honour issues, fgm , dress codes, halal slaughter/ treatment of animals etc which clash with wider UK values .....and normally those inclined to the Left / Green in politics are first to condemn and oppose this.....( when committed by others ???)....in the case of Islam ( and other Asian culture) these things are largely tolerated
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 8:44:58 GMT
Anyone sick of hearing community community community, 'pulling together' on tv news? What a load of old bollocks they keep peddling Dragging up a Jew and a Muslim and making out that it's the norm Bringing in uni students from all countries talking of their love for Manchester etc Jesus fuckeyed Christ. Let's concentrate on the reality, the poor fuckers who were murdered and injured and how it can be stopped from happening again And not this brainwashing the masses bollocks I live in Manchester in an area that has a huge Jewish and Muslim population. The REALITY in my world is closer to your sneering observations than the picture some on here want to paint. That's not me being brainwashed, I have my own set of eyes and ears and I speak to people and make my own judgements..... Yeh Jews and muslims walking hand in hand around townis a regular thing i suppose Absolute shit and more to the point, the media highlighting this has fuck all to do with the barabaric slaughter we've just witnessed Media need to concentrate on pressure of government on what their next plans are
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Post by mrred on May 26, 2017 8:46:47 GMT
Fucking right. Terrorist Attack > hold Vigil > tell Facebook your thoughts and prayers are with them, change profile picture with relevant flag > await the next atrocity. Complete bollocks Whilst all at the same time, leaders are telling us to carry on, to stay united and we won't be beaten. Fuck off ey? They can afford to say 'carry on' from the comfort of being behind armed guards and bullet-proof glass 24/7. Things HAVE to change. I don't want to see any more kids or adults die all because some stupid brainwashed cunts belief in the 2000 year old drunken rambling of a goat-fucking, pedophilic, murdering piece of shit. Let it out mate Mate I'm just sick to the back fucking teeth of being told by the left that we need to let more refugee's in, to love everyone and our leaders saying "carry on". Meanwhile kids are getting blasted away, people going about their business are getting mowed down or blown up on public transport and off duty soldiers are beheaded. All in our country, all in our streets. When is enough, enough?
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Post by bringmesunshine on May 26, 2017 8:53:37 GMT
As opposed to doing nothing and playing into their hands so that in 50 years Britain becomes a predominantly Muslim country which is exactly what they want, Well done. Edit: When a surgeon finds cancer he doesn't leave it to grow and flourish he cuts it out or the patient dies. That logic died with the NF Professors at Oxford and Cambridge disagree. "Muslim extremists make no secret of the fact that their ultimate goal is to gain control over the non-Muslim world. Many Islamic analysts have warned of such consequences for decades." speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.204/britain-may-be-an-islamic-nation-within-20-years.html
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 9:13:31 GMT
I remember years ago (when I'd first joined) on here someone saying their aim is to takeover Europe by all means....starting by planting small pockets of extremists in all areas of western life he wasn't half ripped to shreds on here at the time
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 9:14:17 GMT
I live in Manchester in an area that has a huge Jewish and Muslim population. The REALITY in my world is closer to your sneering observations than the picture some on here want to paint. That's not me being brainwashed, I have my own set of eyes and ears and I speak to people and make my own judgements..... Prestwich Surely those peace loving and integrated Muslims in particular should be more vocally assertive in condemnation of those that perpetuate such atrocities.. ..and they do seem to be within the multicultural community that you describe. Surely it is in THEIR interest to take or support action to remove this priblem from their midst? Surely it's a case of being on the side of humanity, harmony and peace rather than turning a blind eye to those who advocate violence. My experience of the Muslim community is one of fear, obedience, conformity...what does concern me is whether this is just an element of binding their time until Islam is in the unassailable position if being a major ( is it alread?) force of influence in UK society......implicit acceptance. I have lived in and worked in multi cultural settings...behind the harmony there are real issues of the cultural treatment of women,homosexuals, honour issues, fgm , dress codes, halal slaughter/ treatment of animals etc which clash with wider UK values .....and normally those inclined to the Left / Green in politics are first to come.....( when committed by others ???) My youngest lads best friend from school/football has parents originally from Pakistan. The family are all proud Muslims, proud Mancs, big Man City fans. Why should they as law abiding member of society be forced to stand up and condemn the bombing in Manchester on Monday just because they too are Muslim? The scumbag who did it is no more connected to you or I than they are, they condemn it as a member of the human race no more no less. Does every Catholic have to openly denounce every paedophile priest? Does every Christian in America have to condemn every attack by the KKK? Did every law abiding Irishman/woman have to stand up and apologise every time a bomb went off during the troubles? I 100% get that the organisations such as the Muslim Council of Britain and local organisations etc should be vocal in distancing themselves from these terrorists and giving the public confidence that they are on board with ridding the country of these barbarians (which in fairness they did after Monday's attack). But the average Muslim going about their daily life, working hard for their families and keeping their heads down like the rest of us? Fuck that why should they they've done absolutely nothing wrong......
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Post by serpico on May 26, 2017 9:19:19 GMT
something is very fucked up, it looks like the intelligence agencies may have been double dealing, it seems possible that this bomber was allowed to travel to Libya by Mi5 because he was going out there to fight Gadaffi, i wonder how widespread this policy has been ? have they been letting jihadis in the UK to travel to these countries to fight and then allowing them to return ? ... if so then i don't actually know what to say, if i was a family member of one of the dead i'd be asking questions, very hard and serious questions.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2017 9:32:56 GMT
Prestwich Surely those peace loving and integrated Muslims in particular should be more vocally assertive in condemnation of those that perpetuate such atrocities.. ..and they do seem to be within the multicultural community that you describe. Surely it is in THEIR interest to take or support action to remove this priblem from their midst? Surely it's a case of being on the side of humanity, harmony and peace rather than turning a blind eye to those who advocate violence. My experience of the Muslim community is one of fear, obedience, conformity...what does concern me is whether this is just an element of binding their time until Islam is in the unassailable position if being a major ( is it alread?) force of influence in UK society......implicit acceptance. I have lived in and worked in multi cultural settings...behind the harmony there are real issues of the cultural treatment of women,homosexuals, honour issues, fgm , dress codes, halal slaughter/ treatment of animals etc which clash with wider UK values .....and normally those inclined to the Left / Green in politics are first to come.....( when committed by others ???) My youngest lads best friend from school/football has parents originally from Pakistan. The family are all proud Muslims, proud Mancs, big Man City fans. Why should they as law abiding member of society be forced to stand up and condemn the bombing in Manchester on Monday just because they too are Muslim? The scumbag who did it is no more connected to you or I than they are, they condemn it as a member of the human race no more no less. Does every Catholic have to openly denounce every paedophile priest? Does every Christian in America have to condemn every attack by the KKK? Did every law abiding Irishman/woman have to stand up and apologise every time a bomb went off during the troubles? I 100% get that the organisations such as the Muslim Council of Britain and local organisations etc should be vocal in distancing themselves from these terrorists and giving the public confidence that they are on board with ridding the country of these barbarians (which in fairness they did after Monday's attack). But the average Muslim going about their daily life, working hard for their families and keeping their heads down like the rest of us? Fuck that why should they they've done absolutely nothing wrong...... Unfortunatrly I think that the situation has got so bad and is so much of a threat that people like your friend do need to speak out and do so openly. I too have Muslim friends who are passionate and proud to be British...I gave discussed this with them and in my experience there is a fear of speaking out. I don't particularly want to spend my time , in various ways, of trying to understand, come to terms with and take a stance on extremism and "terrorist" acts...unfortunately this is the major issue facing the UK and world security at present...I wish it was not. Ultimately in the UK I believe that the solution has got to come from within those Muslims like your friend who has apparently embraced Western values....so yes I think that he does have some responsibility within his means and ability to assert his opposition , the gravity if the situation requires it....my experience is that " moderate Muslims" are in fear of stepping out of line.
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Post by crapslinger on May 26, 2017 9:53:36 GMT
I live in Manchester in an area that has a huge Jewish and Muslim population. The REALITY in my world is closer to your sneering observations than the picture some on here want to paint. That's not me being brainwashed, I have my own set of eyes and ears and I speak to people and make my own judgements..... Yeh Jews and muslims walking hand in hand around townis a regular thing i suppose Absolute shit and more to the point, the media highlighting this has fuck all to do with the barabaric slaughter we've just witnessed Media need to concentrate on pressure of government on what their next plans are They will not change us my arse we have armed police patrolling our streets, we have armed military patrolling our streets, we have the enemy within blowing our children and innocents to bits, cause they have changed us maybe they have eventually woken up our authorities to the reality, these people hate us they hate our culture they want to take over our country, maybe the genie has finally been let out of the bag.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 9:55:16 GMT
Yeh Jews and muslims walking hand in hand around townis a regular thing i suppose Absolute shit and more to the point, the media highlighting this has fuck all to do with the barabaric slaughter we've just witnessed Media need to concentrate on pressure of government on what their next plans are They will not change us my arse we have armed police patrolling our streets, we have armed military patrolling our streets, we have the enemy within blowing our children and innocents to bits, cause they have changed us maybe they have eventually woken up our authorities to the reality, these people hate us they hate our culture they want to take over our country, maybe the genie has finally been let out of the bag.Do you mean genie out of the bottle, or cat out of the bag just for clarity?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 9:56:14 GMT
My youngest lads best friend from school/football has parents originally from Pakistan. The family are all proud Muslims, proud Mancs, big Man City fans. Why should they as law abiding member of society be forced to stand up and condemn the bombing in Manchester on Monday just because they too are Muslim? The scumbag who did it is no more connected to you or I than they are, they condemn it as a member of the human race no more no less. Does every Catholic have to openly denounce every paedophile priest? Does every Christian in America have to condemn every attack by the KKK? Did every law abiding Irishman/woman have to stand up and apologise every time a bomb went off during the troubles? I 100% get that the organisations such as the Muslim Council of Britain and local organisations etc should be vocal in distancing themselves from these terrorists and giving the public confidence that they are on board with ridding the country of these barbarians (which in fairness they did after Monday's attack). But the average Muslim going about their daily life, working hard for their families and keeping their heads down like the rest of us? Fuck that why should they they've done absolutely nothing wrong...... Unfortunatrly I think that the situation has got so bad and is so much of a threat that people like your friend do need to speak out and do so openly. I too have Muslim friends who are passionate and proud to be British...I gave discussed this with them and in my experience there is a fear of speaking out. I don't particularly want to spend my time , in various ways, of trying to understand, come to terms with and take a stance on extremism and "terrorist" acts...unfortunately this is the major issue facing the UK and world security at present...I wish it was not. Ultimately in the UK I believe that the solution has got to come from within those Muslims like your friend who has apparently embraced Western values....so yes I think that he does have some responsibility within his means and ability to assert his opposition , the gravity if the situation requires it....my experience is that " moderate Muslims" are in fear of stepping out of line. I spent 6 weeks living and working with a Pakistani Muslim from the Tottenham area while filming with the BBC We had a fair few discussions at the time about the wests greed for oil and Muslim integration in the west. We agreed on various things....me on our and americas attacks on Iraq at the time And he told me about how he had to leave his home in tottenham over night because .....he was getting too westernised Apparently the community wouldn't tolerate his children's freedom that he gave them ...i.e. As normal uk children live He did a moonlight flit to avoid trouble He was at the time of talking to me building a million ÂŁ home just outside tottenham We argued and agreed over the 6 weeks His worry is there are many many areas similar in the uk which must be addressed As should our war mongering We are still friends now and he still hates those early days in that close backward community
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 9:56:43 GMT
My youngest lads best friend from school/football has parents originally from Pakistan. The family are all proud Muslims, proud Mancs, big Man City fans. Why should they as law abiding member of society be forced to stand up and condemn the bombing in Manchester on Monday just because they too are Muslim? The scumbag who did it is no more connected to you or I than they are, they condemn it as a member of the human race no more no less. Does every Catholic have to openly denounce every paedophile priest? Does every Christian in America have to condemn every attack by the KKK? Did every law abiding Irishman/woman have to stand up and apologise every time a bomb went off during the troubles? I 100% get that the organisations such as the Muslim Council of Britain and local organisations etc should be vocal in distancing themselves from these terrorists and giving the public confidence that they are on board with ridding the country of these barbarians (which in fairness they did after Monday's attack). But the average Muslim going about their daily life, working hard for their families and keeping their heads down like the rest of us? Fuck that why should they they've done absolutely nothing wrong...... Unfortunatrly I think that the situation has got so bad and is so much of a threat that people like your friend do need to speak out and do so openly. I too have Muslim friends who are passionate and proud to be British...I gave discussed this with them and in my experience there is a fear of speaking out. I don't particularly want to spend my time , in various ways, of trying to understand, come to terms with and take a stance on extremism and "terrorist" acts...unfortunately this is the major issue facing the UK and world security at present...I wish it was not. Ultimately in the UK I believe that the solution has got to come from within those Muslims like your friend who has apparently embraced Western values....so yes I think that he does have some responsibility within his means and ability to assert his opposition , the gravity if the situation requires it....my experience is that " moderate Muslims" are in fear of stepping out of line. Neither does he, he's exactly in the same boat as your or I......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2017 10:06:17 GMT
Unfortunatrly I think that the situation has got so bad and is so much of a threat that people like your friend do need to speak out and do so openly. I too have Muslim friends who are passionate and proud to be British...I gave discussed this with them and in my experience there is a fear of speaking out. I don't particularly want to spend my time , in various ways, of trying to understand, come to terms with and take a stance on extremism and "terrorist" acts...unfortunately this is the major issue facing the UK and world security at present...I wish it was not. Ultimately in the UK I believe that the solution has got to come from within those Muslims like your friend who has apparently embraced Western values....so yes I think that he does have some responsibility within his means and ability to assert his opposition , the gravity if the situation requires it....my experience is that " moderate Muslims" are in fear of stepping out of line. Neither does he, he's exactly in the same boat as your or I...... I agree Prestwick, but I believe unless we do something more decisive and it is somehow culturally supported by the vast part of his/ the multi cultural community the way of life that he/ you or I enjoy just will not be possible.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2017 10:10:58 GMT
Unfortunatrly I think that the situation has got so bad and is so much of a threat that people like your friend do need to speak out and do so openly. I too have Muslim friends who are passionate and proud to be British...I gave discussed this with them and in my experience there is a fear of speaking out. I don't particularly want to spend my time , in various ways, of trying to understand, come to terms with and take a stance on extremism and "terrorist" acts...unfortunately this is the major issue facing the UK and world security at present...I wish it was not. Ultimately in the UK I believe that the solution has got to come from within those Muslims like your friend who has apparently embraced Western values....so yes I think that he does have some responsibility within his means and ability to assert his opposition , the gravity if the situation requires it....my experience is that " moderate Muslims" are in fear of stepping out of line. I spent 6 weeks living and working with a Pakistani Muslim from the Tottenham area while filming with the BBC We had a fair few discussions at the time about the wests greed for oil and Muslim integration in the west. We agreed on various things....me on our and americas attacks on Iraq at the time And he told me about how he had to leave his home in tottenham over night because .....he was getting too westernised Apparently the community wouldn't tolerate his children's freedom that he gave them ...i.e. As normal uk children live He did a moonlight flit to avoid trouble He was at the time of talking to me building a million ÂŁ home just outside tottenham We argued and agreed over the 6 weeks His worry is there are many many areas similar in the uk which must be addressed As should our war mongering We are still friends now and he still hates those early days in that close backward community It is hard to stand out in a community that demands obedience, indoctrinated in the mosques, schools, home and culture. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/09/tanveer-ahmed-jailed-for-murder-glasgow-shopkeeper-in-sectarian-attackShocking: www.heraldscotland.com/news/15125676.Pakistani_extremists_rally_outside_home_of_murderer_of_Glasgow_shopkeeper/
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 10:18:37 GMT
I spent 6 weeks living and working with a Pakistani Muslim from the Tottenham area while filming with the BBC We had a fair few discussions at the time about the wests greed for oil and Muslim integration in the west. We agreed on various things....me on our and americas attacks on Iraq at the time And he told me about how he had to leave his home in tottenham over night because .....he was getting too westernised Apparently the community wouldn't tolerate his children's freedom that he gave them ...i.e. As normal uk children live He did a moonlight flit to avoid trouble He was at the time of talking to me building a million ÂŁ home just outside tottenham We argued and agreed over the 6 weeks His worry is there are many many areas similar in the uk which must be addressed As should our war mongering We are still friends now and he still hates those early days in that close backward community It is hard to stand out in a community that demands obedience, indoctrinated in the mosques, schools, home and culture. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/09/tanveer-ahmed-jailed-for-murder-glasgow-shopkeeper-in-sectarian-attackAll those that shouted out in court in support should be rounded up And sent to a place where violent murder is the norm imo Fuck the softly softly approach now
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Post by bathstoke on May 26, 2017 10:20:48 GMT
I hate to break this to you, but if pushed Christians would say the same. Armageddon here we comeXx
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Post by crapslinger on May 26, 2017 10:38:20 GMT
They will not change us my arse we have armed police patrolling our streets, we have armed military patrolling our streets, we have the enemy within blowing our children and innocents to bits, cause they have changed us maybe they have eventually woken up our authorities to the reality, these people hate us they hate our culture they want to take over our country, maybe the genie has finally been let out of the bag.Do you mean genie out of the bottle, or cat out of the bag just for clarity? Is that the best you can come up with, do you think they have changed us ?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 10:51:48 GMT
Do you mean genie out of the bottle, or cat out of the bag just for clarity? Is that the best you can come up with, do you think they have changed us ? I can only speak for myself - they haven't changed me.....
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Post by Mendicant on May 26, 2017 11:09:35 GMT
I hate to break this to you, but if pushed Christians would say the same. Armageddon here we comeXx We support, we support, we support our local team! We support our local team! ...that doesn't mean everyone must support our team, even if we invite a mate to the match. Threatening fans of other teams to support Stoke would be absurd wouldn't it? As I see it, Christians tend to invite a mate to the match so to speak, the more the merrier.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2017 11:19:50 GMT
I hate to break this to you, but if pushed Christians would say the same. Armageddon here we comeXx I think they may well do....but I think part of this struggle is between Islam and the West not Islam and Christianity....I don't think that they are quite the same things
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 26, 2017 11:22:25 GMT
I hate to break this to you, but if pushed Christians would say the same. Armageddon here we comeXx I think they may well do....but I think part of this struggle is between Islam and the West not Islam and Christianity....I don't think that they are quite the same things Christianity? That thing still around?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 26, 2017 11:23:54 GMT
I think they may well do....but I think part of this struggle is between Islam and the West not Islam and Christianity....I don't think that they are quite the same things Christianity? That thing still around? Given what's happening to Christian's throughout the Islamic world, I doubt it'll be around for much longer.
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Post by crapslinger on May 26, 2017 11:25:18 GMT
Is that the best you can come up with, do you think they have changed us ? I can only speak for myself - they haven't changed me..... Have they changed our society ?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2017 11:28:50 GMT
I think they may well do....but I think part of this struggle is between Islam and the West not Islam and Christianity....I don't think that they are quite the same things Christianity? That thing still around? Yes , it important to some people but in the Western world( generally speaking) the controlling factor is the ( civil ) law ...so a Christian could hold personal views which are in conflict with the Law but the Law takes precedence in regards to their actions. Muslims too have to abide by the Law of the land of course but some , but an influential amount, cannot accept Western values and laws....not just me saying that, many Muslims do so......hence some of the problems
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 11:32:34 GMT
I can only speak for myself - they haven't changed me..... Have they changed our society ? Have who changed our society Muslim extremists? Yes of course they have and we need to do everything in our power to stamp on them. Is their rivers of blood on the streets and are we at war on every street corner like the rhetoric you keep coming out with? Nope.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 26, 2017 11:35:36 GMT
Christianity? That thing still around? Given what's happening to Christian's throughout the Islamic world, I doubt it'll be around for much longer. Directly correlated with a decline in secularism Regardless of what people think of the details of his rule. It was one thing Ataturk absolutely nailed. All gone now.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 26, 2017 11:36:14 GMT
Is their rivers of blood on the streets Poor form considering the thread you're posting on.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 26, 2017 11:38:41 GMT
Given what's happening to Christian's throughout the Islamic world, I doubt it'll be around for much longer. Directly correlated with a decline in secularism Regardless of what people think of the details of his rule. It was one thing Ataturk absolutely nailed. All gone now. Assad is Syria has protected the Christian's... He's also fighting against Islamic terrorists... For some reason we're hell bent on removing him from power.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 11:47:31 GMT
Is their rivers of blood on the streets Poor form considering the thread you're posting on. It was crapslinger's language not mine. Read his responses on this and other similar threads......
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