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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2017 10:05:38 GMT
Percy's not infallible - but his article a few weeks ago is still all we've got to work with in terms of media signals, and the mood music was very different before the Pulis axe. Mind you, suppose things can change. www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/25/jonathan-walters-could-quit-stoke-city-summer/Mark Hughes, the Stoke manager, is not under any threat of the sack despite a disappointing 2017 that is threatening the club's hopes of another top-ten finish.
Hughes has been coming under scrutiny from some supporters but it is understood his position is safe, with the Stoke board determined to back him in the summer transfer window.
The Welshman will target a centre-half, a left-back and a centre midfielder as he bids to revamp his squad.I don't remember there being any strong smoke signals that Tone was going was there FM? I don't think you can underestimate the effect that a clearly demoralised crowd will have on them. I suppose what might save him is that we all seemed to have signed up for more of the same season ticket wise which Tone reportedly didn't have. I cannot see how any review of this season, particularly from hard nosed business types like the Coates could see Hughes, Scholes and Cartwright all being in position and be trusted with £30M plus this summer. I just don't see it. From about March though every interview TP did was like a job interview. He might as well have been on his knees begging Coates not to sack him. Hughes seems a lot more chilled with it. Maybe he thinks he's ok just like his team is though?  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2017 10:54:18 GMT
I don't remember there being any strong smoke signals that Tone was going was there FM? I don't think you can underestimate the effect that a clearly demoralised crowd will have on them. I suppose what might save him is that we all seemed to have signed up for more of the same season ticket wise which Tone reportedly didn't have. I cannot see how any review of this season, particularly from hard nosed business types like the Coates could see Hughes, Scholes and Cartwright all being in position and be trusted with £30M plus this summer. I just don't see it. From about March though every interview TP did was like a job interview. He might as well have been on his knees begging Coates not to sack him. Hughes seems a lot more chilled with it. Maybe he thinks he's ok just like his team is though? If I was him, I'd be very worried about the absent words of support from Coates. I'm beginning to think there's a very good chance he could go. |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 14, 2017 10:56:05 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2017 10:58:18 GMT
From about March though every interview TP did was like a job interview. He might as well have been on his knees begging Coates not to sack him. Hughes seems a lot more chilled with it. Maybe he thinks he's ok just like his team is though? If I was him, I'd be very worried about the absent words of support from Coates. I'm beginning to think there's a very good chance he could go. I'm unsure. I was convinced TP was going but I just don't get that feeling here. I can't see how he can stay but there just seems a genuine feeling from the whole club that they're OK with this bobbing along. Like the announcer at half time clearly taking the piss out of us. I get the feeling that they think we're the problem. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2017 11:01:39 GMT
Fair enough mate, I turned yesterday and firmly believe we could get relegated if we stick with Hughes next season so its maybe wishful thinking on my part but I think the lack of support from Coates other than that muddled interview on Radio Stoke a few weeks back, could still be telling.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2017 11:02:54 GMT
If I was him, I'd be very worried about the absent words of support from Coates. I'm beginning to think there's a very good chance he could go. I'm unsure. I was convinced TP was going but I just don't get that feeling here. I can't see how he can stay but there just seems a genuine feeling from the whole club that they're OK with this bobbing along. Like the announcer at half time clearly taking the piss out of us. I get the feeling that they think we're the problem. What did the announcer say mate? I've missed that. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2017 11:05:08 GMT
I'm unsure. I was convinced TP was going but I just don't get that feeling here. I can't see how he can stay but there just seems a genuine feeling from the whole club that they're OK with this bobbing along. Like the announcer at half time clearly taking the piss out of us. I get the feeling that they think we're the problem. What did the announcer say mate? I've missed that. It was probably a poor attempt at humour thinking about it, "I hope you enjoyed that half" and then the whole trying to get the Boothen to sing Delilah when it's half time in a game where they've just been booed off and people were fucking angry. At best it was misjudged, at worst it was a piss take. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 11:06:30 GMT
I unfortunately think he'll still be our manager next season. However he'll be gone by Christmas and we'll be in the shit. Just can't see anything else.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2017 11:12:19 GMT
Fair enough mate, I turned yesterday and firmly believe we could get relegated if we stick with Hughes next season so its maybe wishful thinking on my part but I think the lack of support from Coates other than that muddled interview on Radio Stoke a few weeks back, could still be telling.
The decision might have already been made but if we get tonked at Southampton as well, then I can't see any way that he'll survive.
They're not going to trust him with the money he needs to spend.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 11:14:23 GMT
The Coates interview a few weeks back reminded me exactly of his comments about pulis near the end of his final season.
I don't put much weight on the media not having picked up on it. We look a total shambles and I think hughes will be told 'thanks mark, now lets move on'
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Post by geoff321 on May 14, 2017 11:20:23 GMT
Much is made on here of the heavy home defeats to Spurs, Manchester City and Arsenal, teams who on their day are amongst the best in Europe.
These teams have in their squads players like, Aguero, De Bruyne, Silva, Kompany, Eriksen, Alli, Kane, Ozil, Sanchez and Ramsey, players Stoke could only dream of signing, perhaps a bit of perspective is needed by some posters.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 11:26:35 GMT
Much is made on here of the heavy home defeats to Spurs, Manchester City and Arsenal, teams who on their day are amongst the best in Europe. These teams have in their squads players like, Aguero, De Bruyne, Silva, Kompany, Eriksen, Alli, Kane, Ozil, Sanchez and Ramsey, players Stoke could only dream of signing, perhaps a bit of perspective is needed by some posters. They're not amongst the best teams in europe geoff. The other night I saw celta vigo, with far less resources than us, giving an excellent account of themselves in a europa league semi, they were very unlucky. Our record of repeatedly being on the end of thrashings this past 18 months is incomparable to the records of other teams with similar resources in the premier league. I think it is you who is failing to apply perspective and context this time Geoff |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 11:26:56 GMT
Much is made on here of the heavy home defeats to Spurs, Manchester City and Arsenal, teams who on their day are amongst the best in Europe. These teams have in their squads players like, Aguero, De Bruyne, Silva, Kompany, Eriksen, Alli, Kane, Ozil, Sanchez and Ramsey, players Stoke could only dream of signing, perhaps a bit of perspective is needed by some posters. Perspective my arse. I don't mind taking a hiding off a team who've been on fire but abject surrender is not acceptable. This is no time for trolling. |
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Post by geoff321 on May 14, 2017 11:35:30 GMT
Much is made on here of the heavy home defeats to Spurs, Manchester City and Arsenal, teams who on their day are amongst the best in Europe. These teams have in their squads players like, Aguero, De Bruyne, Silva, Kompany, Eriksen, Alli, Kane, Ozil, Sanchez and Ramsey, players Stoke could only dream of signing, perhaps a bit of perspective is needed by some posters. Perspective my arse. I don't mind taking a hiding off a team who've been on fire but abject surrender is not acceptable. This is no time for trolling. Arsenal have world class players and are playing for a Champions League place, for Stoke it was a typical end of season game, the result didn't surprise me. |
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Post by geoff321 on May 14, 2017 11:46:37 GMT
Much is made on here of the heavy home defeats to Spurs, Manchester City and Arsenal, teams who on their day are amongst the best in Europe. These teams have in their squads players like, Aguero, De Bruyne, Silva, Kompany, Eriksen, Alli, Kane, Ozil, Sanchez and Ramsey, players Stoke could only dream of signing, perhaps a bit of perspective is needed by some posters. They're not amongst the best teams in europe geoff. The other night I saw celta vigo, with far less resources than us, giving an excellent account of themselves in a europa league semi, they were very unlucky. Our record of repeatedly being on the end of thrashings this past 18 months is incomparable to the records of other teams with similar resources in the premier league. I think it is you who is failing to apply perspective and context this time Geoff The top 7 clubs in the PL have got their acts together after a relatively disappointing season last year, these clubs have in fact some of the best managers in world football and the gap has opened again between them and the rest of the PL, that surely is a fact. |
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Post by PB1863 on May 14, 2017 11:47:44 GMT
God knows. That's half the problem isn't it? I like the look of Silva but I just can't see Coates going for a foreigner. Neither can I. We need major surgery whoever comes. I like Rodgers as a manager but he's a fucking weirdo. Some of the usual suspects fill me with dread. I think Rogers has unfinished business in the Premier League and could be an option. When you say he's a weirdo what has done? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2017 11:49:16 GMT
No one minds the occasional hiding off a good side but you do expect to compete and not to be on the end of them with such alarming regularity. In terms of these teams being the 'best in Europe', the team yesterday hasn't gone further than the last 16 for 6 years. Spurs who have notched four against us on the past 3 occasions didn't even get out of their group. Man City who have notched four against us in 3 of the last 5 games only made the quarter finals and Liverpool who have claimed the now traditional four goals against us in two of our last three games aren't even in Europe this year and are by no means assured of Champions League next year either.
We are not getting battered by the best teams in Europe.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on May 14, 2017 11:51:32 GMT
We have totally lost our way and our DNA. Little or no fight, little or no passion, maybe play for 30 mins max and try to coast the rest of the game, clearly not good enough. It was really embarrassing at the end, rows of empty seats and the look on Whelan's face said it all for me. Plus Hughes coming out by himself and just a quick walk round before disappearing. Think Southampton will be his last game, massive rebuilding job required in the Summer.
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Post by BristolMick on May 14, 2017 11:56:31 GMT
Fair enough mate, I turned yesterday and firmly believe we could get relegated if we stick with Hughes next season so its maybe wishful thinking on my part but I think the lack of support from Coates other than that muddled interview on Radio Stoke a few weeks back, could still be telling. The mood has changed a lot I think since that Percey article on 25th April. Like you, I have also moved from wanting him to stay to wanting him gone in that period and yesterday's inability to compete for all but a 10 minute interval is probably the tipping point for many just as stated in the headline to this thread. The atmosphere amongst the fan base is just the same now as it was at the same stage in Pulis's final tenure, the difference is that the turn against Hughes (apart from the loons who hated him from the start because he wasn't TFP) has been later and more sudden. At first the mood change was from support to ambivalence and only now is it one of mass no confidence. A little sign that he is unsure of his position was in his interview last week where he gave a Pulisesque statement by saying that before he came our ambition was limited to avoiding relegation! Also Coates refusal to talk about the manager in his recent interview can hardly be taken as a position of support more one of this is not the right time to talk about it. Coates will be aware of the turn to no confidence in most of the fan base ( it's probably right at this moment the most united we've been on the manager issue in years). He will be feeling the same, he will be disappointed and most likely feeling the same lack of confidence in Hughes that most fans now feel. If I could bet on Hughes leaving his position in the week following the Southampton match I would. As someone else has said already, yesterday was the day he cooked his goose! BM |
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2017 12:04:19 GMT
They're not amongst the best teams in europe geoff. The other night I saw celta vigo, with far less resources than us, giving an excellent account of themselves in a europa league semi, they were very unlucky. Our record of repeatedly being on the end of thrashings this past 18 months is incomparable to the records of other teams with similar resources in the premier league. I think it is you who is failing to apply perspective and context this time Geoff The top 7 clubs in the PL have got their acts together after a relatively disappointing season last year, these clubs have in fact some of the best managers in world football and the gap has opened again between them and the rest of the PL, that surely is a fact. You're not even a Stoke fan yet here you are back again patronising people who are. As I said to you before, the admin should have banned you permanently a long time ago and you're the one person on here I'd cheerfully swing for if I ever met you, and I'm simply not like that. |
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2017 12:05:34 GMT
Fair enough mate, I turned yesterday and firmly believe we could get relegated if we stick with Hughes next season so its maybe wishful thinking on my part but I think the lack of support from Coates other than that muddled interview on Radio Stoke a few weeks back, could still be telling. The mood has changed a lot I think since that Percey article on 25th April. Like you, I have also moved from wanting him to stay to wanting him gone in that period and yesterday's inability to compete for all but a 10 minute interval is probably the tipping point for many just as stated in the headline to this thread. The atmosphere amongst the fan base is just the same now as it was at the same stage in Pulis's final tenure, the difference is that the turn against Hughes (apart from the loons who hated him from the start because he wasn't TFP) has been later and more sudden. At first the mood change was from support to ambivalence and only now is it one of mass no confidence. A little sign that he is unsure of his position was in his interview last week where he gave a Pulisesque statement by saying that before he came our ambition was limited to avoiding relegation! Also Coates refusal to talk about the manager in his recent interview can hardly be taken as a position of support more one of this is not the right time to talk about it. Coates will be aware of the turn to no confidence in most of the fan base ( it's probably right at this moment the most united we've been on the manager issue in years). He will be feeling the same, he will be disappointed and most likely feeling the same lack of confidence in Hughes that most fans now feel. If I could bet on Hughes leaving his position in the week following the Southampton match I would. As someone else has said already, yesterday was the day he cooked his goose! BM Sums it up. |
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Post by AlanHansen on May 14, 2017 12:06:45 GMT
The Coates interview a few weeks back reminded me exactly of his comments about pulis near the end of his final season. I don't put much weight on the media not having picked up on it. We look a total shambles and I think hughes will be told 'thanks mark, now lets move on' Goughy on Talk sport on Friday went for a nil nil. Durham who's seen us live a few times recently said are you joking. Stoke are a shambles, there's no way Arsenal won't score. |
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Post by passtheoatcakes on May 14, 2017 12:07:03 GMT
Perspective my arse. I don't mind taking a hiding off a team who've been on fire but abject surrender is not acceptable. This is no time for trolling. Arsenal have world class players and are playing for a Champions League place, for Stoke it was a typical end of season game, the result didn't surprise me. What like our 6-1 against Liverpool, 2-1 against West Ham and 4-1 against Fulham? I would agree that most Prem teams, with the exception of Sunderland, have invested in young pacey players who can retain the ball and actually pass to each other, we however have regressed massively over the last 18 months as we all know. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2017 12:08:24 GMT
No one minds the occasional hiding off a good side but you do expect to compete and not to be on the end of them with such alarming regularity. In terms of these teams being the 'best in Europe', the team yesterday hasn't gone further than the last 16 for 6 years. Spurs who have notched four against us on the past 3 occasions didn't even get out of their group. Man City who have notched four against us in 3 of the last 5 games only made the quarter finals and Liverpool who have claimed the now traditional four goals against us in two of our last three games aren't even in Europe this year and are by no means assured of Champions League next year either. We are not getting battered by the best teams in Europe.
And Crystal Palace (who took us for 4 in September) are currently playing to avoid relegation.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 14, 2017 12:09:49 GMT
Much is made on here of the heavy home defeats to Spurs, Manchester City and Arsenal, teams who on their day are amongst the best in Europe. These teams have in their squads players like, Aguero, De Bruyne, Silva, Kompany, Eriksen, Alli, Kane, Ozil, Sanchez and Ramsey, players Stoke could only dream of signing, perhaps a bit of perspective is needed by some posters. Perspective my arse. I don't mind taking a hiding off a team who've been on fire but abject surrender is not acceptable. This is no time for trolling. Completely agree. Was hoping (rather than expecting) that we'd get something out of yesterdays game but the pathetic, turgid, lifeless performance against Arsenal in the last home game of the season really appalled me |
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Post by geoff321 on May 14, 2017 12:10:26 GMT
No one minds the occasional hiding off a good side but you do expect to compete and not to be on the end of them with such alarming regularity. In terms of these teams being the 'best in Europe', the team yesterday hasn't gone further than the last 16 for 6 years. Spurs who have notched four against us on the past 3 occasions didn't even get out of their group. Man City who have notched four against us in 3 of the last 5 games only made the quarter finals and Liverpool who have claimed the now traditional four goals against us in two of our last three games aren't even in Europe this year and are by no means assured of Champions League next year either. We are not getting battered by the best teams in Europe. We can differ momo on how good these English teams are in a European context but the fact is they have better players than Stoke so some heavy defeats are always possible. Regarding Arsenal Hughes has a pretty good record at home against them, but yesterday with one team low on confidence and another battling for a Champions League place a result of this sort was always possible. |
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Post by AlanHansen on May 14, 2017 12:15:22 GMT
The Coates interview a few weeks back reminded me exactly of his comments about pulis near the end of his final season. I don't put much weight on the media not having picked up on it. We look a total shambles and I think hughes will be told 'thanks mark, now lets move on' Goughy on Talk sport on Friday went for a nil nil. Durham who's seen us live a few times recently said are you joking. Stoke are a shambles, there's no way Arsenal won't score. Porkie Parry talking about Hughes inabilities now on Talk sport. Asking Stoke fans to ring in now after yesterday's "humiliation". And is it time to ditch Mark Hughes. Fill your boots. |
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Post by senojbor on May 14, 2017 12:34:36 GMT
No one minds the occasional hiding off a good side but you do expect to compete and not to be on the end of them with such alarming regularity. In terms of these teams being the 'best in Europe', the team yesterday hasn't gone further than the last 16 for 6 years. Spurs who have notched four against us on the past 3 occasions didn't even get out of their group. Man City who have notched four against us in 3 of the last 5 games only made the quarter finals and Liverpool who have claimed the now traditional four goals against us in two of our last three games aren't even in Europe this year and are by no means assured of Champions League next year either. We are not getting battered by the best teams in Europe.
And Crystal Palace (who took us for 4 in September) are currently playing to avoid relegation.
There's a likely hood of Palace who've struggled all season finishing above us so too Watford and Burnley. As if the embarrassing 4 goal defeats and the worst season in recent memory isn't enough the club is stuck with dud expensive signings. I cannot see the club accepting this |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 14, 2017 13:04:21 GMT
Neither can I. We need major surgery whoever comes. I like Rodgers as a manager but he's a fucking weirdo. Some of the usual suspects fill me with dread. I think Rogers has unfinished business in the Premier League and could be an option. When you say he's a weirdo what has done? He's just strange. He has done weird stuff that I can't be arsed to research, but it's his strangeness that bothers me. Good manager, though. |
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Post by jwhpotter on May 14, 2017 13:09:42 GMT
Just looking at the table after the game and just reminds me of what an absolute shower of shit this season has been. Hughes needs to go straight after we lose the Southampton game next Sunday. Terrible goal difference, cant score, cant defend, most players look like they dont give a shit. Players are to blame too but at the end of the day it comes down to shit management. Please get rid Coates
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