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Post by FullerMagic on May 4, 2017 7:24:06 GMT
Hart will be allowed to leave permanently in the summer, with City valuing him at £30m.
So if they want £30m for a 30-year-old they don't rate and who's had a very dodgy season at Torino, wonder how much they'll be prepared to pay for a 24-year-old they do rate? You'd think Pickford would be easier for them to get though. But the injury may well have reminded Butland how fragile a career is, and I'm sure he'll want a big move ASAP - and Man Utd, Liverpool an Arsenal could be looking this summer too.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 7:24:17 GMT
Clownio Bravo cost 15M. Jack is three times the keeper at least.
Bidding now starts at 45M.
I dread to think what we'll end up letting him go for.
"Man City are a difficult club to deal with"...no doubt.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 7:26:19 GMT
24, England international and on a long contract As with John Stones we should start at £40m....if true of course We'll probably do it for £10m. We're Stoke.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 4, 2017 7:32:20 GMT
5 million and bony idle in a swap , get it done sparky 😂😂
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Post by Glory Hunter on May 4, 2017 8:19:48 GMT
I know this isn't how most footballers or their agents think, but I believe Jack will cherish the support from the club and fans which helped him get over the injury. He will want to play his heart out for us and pay back some of the debt. He will move on, he will become a top England keeper, but I don't expect it this coming season. Time for him to build his reputation back, prove his strength and give something back.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 4, 2017 8:29:56 GMT
I know this isn't how most footballers or their agents think, but I believe Jack will cherish the support from the club and fans which helped him get over the injury. He will want to play his heart out for us and pay back some of the debt. He will move on, he will become a top England keeper, but I don't expect it this coming season. Time for him to build his reputation back, prove his strength and give something back. I suspect not mate. Jack has no real allegiance to the club. We just pay his wages. Whilst he seems a more level headed lad than most I suspect that might work against us. He will have realised over the last 12 months just how tenuous a footballers career can be. He looks like he's coming back as good as ever, but he might not have. If Man City came calling offering £150k a week over 5 years with the chance to play Champions League and a nailed on England number 1 spot I'd snatch their hand off if I were him, without a backward glance. The absolute clusterfuck we made of diagnosing/spotting the additional break in his original injury might have some bearing as well.
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Post by roostershair on May 4, 2017 8:48:20 GMT
Don't think Jack is stupid enough to go as a number 2, he's not like Begovic.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 4, 2017 8:49:42 GMT
Whoever Man City sign this summer will be the No.1, you'd think?
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 4, 2017 8:53:02 GMT
I hope he gives us another season given his injury woes and then he goes to a top club for a big sum
Just can't see us holding on to him after next season
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 4, 2017 10:40:47 GMT
I hope he gives us another season given his injury woes and then he goes to a top club for a big sum Just can't see us holding on to him after next season I hope so too mate. I think Saturday showed that, despite how good Grant has been, just what we've been missing. Unfortunately if Shitty come calling this summer he'd be mad not to go.
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Post by professorplump on May 4, 2017 11:07:00 GMT
I would be a bit surprised if Butland went to Man City. Guardiola likes his keepers to play out well from the back which is why he axed Hart. If there is one minor weakness in Jack's game, I would say that his kicking can be a bit iffy. However if United were to sell David deGea, as is being rumoured, then he could end up there and Liverpool will probably be sniffing around as well.
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2017 11:26:18 GMT
I would be a bit surprised if Butland went to Man City. Guardiola likes his keepers to play out well from the back which is why he axed Hart. If there is one minor weakness in Jack's game, I would say that his kicking can be a bit iffy. However if United were to sell David deGea, as is being rumoured, then he could end up there and Liverpool will probably be sniffing around as well. We have not had a player sale for a key player who has several years on his contract left in the recent era so although we perceive Begovic & Nzonzi to have been sold cheaply there is no reason at all why we should not be asking for top dollar for Butland that has to mean a fee no lower than £30m & if more than one big club gets involved then we absolutely should be getting over £40m As far as Liverpool are concerned I don't see them spending big on a keeper & Klopp has stated quite firmly that he is happy with his keepers (more fool him if he genuinely means that). The Shit have been heavily linked with Kasper Schmeichel if De Gea leaves (& that's not a given either). Chelsea are well stocked for keepers & as you say Guardiola only wants sweeper keepers & that isn't Jack. Factor in he still has to prove he is fully over his injury & factor in Butland will want to play week in week out with World Cup looming & I think we might keep him here till then
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Post by Fred Merger on May 4, 2017 11:47:08 GMT
This could be one of the reasons that butland has been fast tracked back into the side as a bidding warin the summer is expected to push up the fee we receive for him!
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Post by nott1 on May 4, 2017 11:56:24 GMT
Grant is better than Hart!
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Post by Will_75 on May 4, 2017 12:00:08 GMT
This could be one of the reasons that butland has been fast tracked back into the side as a bidding warin the summer is expected to push up the fee we receive for him! this thought has crossed my mind a number of times...
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Post by essexstokey on May 4, 2017 12:00:50 GMT
Ok if Man city go for him who out of there reserves would we like at the club Grant is a good enough keeper and bring in a good number 2 and strengthen the team if man city are offering mega money. We would even get a bargain with there castoffs as we hold all the cards!! Was there any of there youth team looked good enough to step up to our first team and would be young eager and cheap!
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Post by dutchstokie on May 4, 2017 12:04:18 GMT
Has anyone thought of how Hughes was treated by Man City?
It could, only saying could mind, that he would think " fuck you lot- if you want Jack, get yer Arabian transfer dong out" and comes up with some absorbitant sum..... say 60 million?
We've been shafted often enough...... let Peter and Denise shaft someone else for a change!!!!
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Post by supersimonstainrod on May 4, 2017 12:07:04 GMT
We've got one more year from butland then he'll leave for 30m. We need the same future proofing foresight we showed when we signed butland and with that, we should offer Sunderland the 8m or so it would take to get Jordan Pickford. Absolutely bang on.No shame in being a 'stepping stone' club,probably the best we can hope for regards the more stellar talents that we manage to land.Vital part of the drive for self-sufficiency imho.What it will necessitate is the scouting,recruitment team really raising their game to ensure we're signing the right calbre replacements.Whether they have the ability to do it is a moot point.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 4, 2017 12:13:54 GMT
We've got one more year from butland then he'll leave for 30m. We need the same future proofing foresight we showed when we signed butland and with that, we should offer Sunderland the 8m or so it would take to get Jordan Pickford. Absolutely bang on.No shame in being a 'stepping stone' club,probably the best we can hope for regards the more stellar talents that we manage to land.Vital part of the drive for self-sufficiency imho.What it will necessitate is the scouting,recruitment team really raising their game to ensure we're signing the right calbre replacements.Whether they have the ability to do it is a moot point. Unfortunately we've missed the boat with Pickford. He's already being quoted in the same £20-£30m bracket as Jack. Should have made a bid for him a couple of years ago before he went on loan to Burton. Those are the kind of deals we should be looking at now not wait until they've become established and their value sky rockets.
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Post by MooG on May 4, 2017 12:21:14 GMT
Medium term no. I'd hope that having spent the last year just collecting wages he'd stay for a couple of seasons more.
Ultimately though he must want to be the England Keeper and will know that, while he might do that at Stoke, as No 1 at Arsenal or Man Utd he'd be a shoe-in.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on May 4, 2017 12:22:13 GMT
Absolutely bang on.No shame in being a 'stepping stone' club,probably the best we can hope for regards the more stellar talents that we manage to land.Vital part of the drive for self-sufficiency imho.What it will necessitate is the scouting,recruitment team really raising their game to ensure we're signing the right calbre replacements.Whether they have the ability to do it is a moot point. Unfortunately we've missed the boat with Pickford. He's already being quoted in the same £20-£30m bracket as Jack. Should have made a bid for him a couple of years ago before he went on loan to Burton. Those are the kind of deals we should be looking at now not wait until they've become established and their value sky rockets. Again,bang on imho.Many people ostensibly have an academy-centric perception of financial self-sufficiency,but the sort of signings you highlight are essential too,just whether we have the wherewithal to identify and make those deals.
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Post by jezzascfc on May 4, 2017 12:39:51 GMT
Jack may well have to get an injury free season under his belt before a big money move, but if he returns to his pre-injury form (and the signs are already good that he will), then he will gone in summer 2018. The bidding has to start at 35m quid in today's market. I would say we hold onto him at all costs now and hope he gets into the England team and starts at the World Cup in Russia, as then his value really could explode.
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Post by humbersidepotter on May 4, 2017 13:05:46 GMT
£30,000,000 or Iheanacho and Hart would be fine by me...
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Post by Cast no shadow on May 4, 2017 16:51:17 GMT
Be a rate cunts trick if he fucks off of his own accord.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 4, 2017 16:54:39 GMT
£60 million, minimum.
No, I'm not taking the piss, fucking John Stones went for £50 million.
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Post by Waggy on May 4, 2017 17:07:23 GMT
Cant see him leaving until season after making sure fully fit. He will leave at some point has to be fair he is quality and we will get a quality price im sure.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 5, 2017 11:04:46 GMT
NE press says Pickford likely to go to Everton for £17m.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 5, 2017 11:13:08 GMT
Hart + £15,000,000 and Hart's wages subsidised is a fair price.
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Post by redstriper on May 5, 2017 11:48:42 GMT
England have got some good keepers at the moment - its not just jack
Heaton, Forster, Pickford and Hart are all better than most of the foreign keepers currently playing in the prem imo.
So hopefully the big boys will look elsewhere and we can hang on to him. They may feel its worth watching him for a year anyway as it was a bad injury and who knows if its been completely sorted.
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