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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 25, 2017 9:56:12 GMT
He was shite for Chesterfield, why would the Blades want him in the Championship?
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Post by RichJonesy on Apr 25, 2017 10:01:47 GMT
Neither do I. To allow him to earn his living in the public eye doesn't sit nicely with me either. I'm surprised Plymouth took him back. Football was his trade though. No different to a plasterer or a welder going back to work in that respect. I look at him and think "Does he regret that incident every day of his life?" and I think he probably does. I worked with a bloke up until recently who served a similar sentence for killing a teenager down in Portsmouth when he was in his early 20's and it took him years to try and rebuild his life and reputation. But it tormented him and affected everything he did, and when you think about it in the cold light of day how many "decent" people at some point have sent a quick text whilst driving, or had 3/4 pints and risked driving home, or gone on a works night out rolled in at 02:00 and then jumped in their car at 08:00 to drive home? In McCormick's case it was a blazing row with his missus after getting drunk and then driving after only a few hours kip to sort things out. He clearly wasn't thinking straight, and what unfolded was absolutely tragic. But there are no winners in that situation and I don't think depriving him of a life afterwards helps anyone as sad as it is.... I know the guy very very well who recovered the car he hit from the side of the motorway, he was a few weeks into new job and had a call early Sunday morning to recover a car that had been involved in an accident on the motorway. To say it shook him up is an understatement, and as someone with family, he wasn't really prepared for seeing what he saw that day. Is it acceptable to 'risk' driving home, after what I suspect is more than a few beer the day before (I have never had a 'few' beers at a wedding) at the speeds he was doing? If it was a risk, surely you would take your time? I'm sure he thinks about it a lot and it eats away at him, but for me, I wouldn't bat an eyelid if we had never heard of him again after this! Anyway.....Ched Evans, fair play to him, he had a lapse of judgement (he picked the wrong girl!) and has been cleared of any wrong doing, why shouldn't any team took at him!? |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 25, 2017 10:08:06 GMT
He was shite for Chesterfield, why would the Blades want him in the Championship? Grant as an example perhaps? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 10:10:38 GMT
Football was his trade though. No different to a plasterer or a welder going back to work in that respect. I look at him and think "Does he regret that incident every day of his life?" and I think he probably does. I worked with a bloke up until recently who served a similar sentence for killing a teenager down in Portsmouth when he was in his early 20's and it took him years to try and rebuild his life and reputation. But it tormented him and affected everything he did, and when you think about it in the cold light of day how many "decent" people at some point have sent a quick text whilst driving, or had 3/4 pints and risked driving home, or gone on a works night out rolled in at 02:00 and then jumped in their car at 08:00 to drive home? In McCormick's case it was a blazing row with his missus after getting drunk and then driving after only a few hours kip to sort things out. He clearly wasn't thinking straight, and what unfolded was absolutely tragic. But there are no winners in that situation and I don't think depriving him of a life afterwards helps anyone as sad as it is.... I know the guy very very well who recovered the car he hit from the side of the motorway, he was a few weeks into new job and had a call early Sunday morning to recover a car that had been involved in an accident on the motorway. To say it shook him up is an understatement, and as someone with family, he wasn't really prepared for seeing what he saw that day. Is it acceptable to 'risk' driving home, after what I suspect is more than a few beer the day before (I have never had a 'few' beers at a wedding) at the speeds he was doing? If it was a risk, surely you would take your time? I'm sure he thinks about it a lot and it eats away at him, but for me, I wouldn't bat an eyelid if we had never heard of him again after this! Anyway.....Ched Evans, fair play to him, he had a lapse of judgement (he picked the wrong girl!) and has been cleared of any wrong doing, why shouldn't any team took at him!? I was actually stuck 50 yards behind the incident. 05:43 it was I remember it well I was working shifts at the time and commuting from Manchester to Stoke. 13:00 we eventually got off the motorway via Keele Sevices, you could see the distress on the faces of the emergency services and my heart goes out to anyone who arrived at the scene that morning. As I said just very very sad, and avoidable.... |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 25, 2017 11:16:14 GMT
The difference between trying to rehabilitate most offenders and Ched Evans is very different Young offenders I've worked with have criminal records at the age of 16 when they leave school (if they've actually been) which makes it almost impossible for them to get a job. No employer will touch them. That almost forces them back into the criminal justice system. Thats why the rate of reoffending in YOIs is about 95% Ched Evans on the other hand has had quite a few job offers. The major difference though is that Ched Evans is, in the eyes of the law, innocent. His time in jail was as a result of a conviction which has since been overturned. If he is "guilty" of anything it is of having sex as part of a threesome - which isn't a crime. You are right about the need for rehabilitation of young offenders - but Ched Evans is NOT an offender. Yes Lakeland that is right. Although he has spent time in custody. If he hasn't committed an offence he will be eligible for compensation. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 25, 2017 11:26:04 GMT
The major difference though is that Ched Evans is, in the eyes of the law, innocent. His time in jail was as a result of a conviction which has since been overturned. If he is "guilty" of anything it is of having sex as part of a threesome - which isn't a crime. You are right about the need for rehabilitation of young offenders - but Ched Evans is NOT an offender. Yes Lakeland that is right. Although he has spent time in custody. If he hasn't committed an offence he will be eligible for compensation. It isn't as cut and dried as that, although you might think that it should be. I think compensation is only payable if there were procedural errors in the prosecution. I'm certainly no expert but I have read of other cases where you would think compo would be cut and dried but it was not paid because the prosecution was deemed to have been legitimate. In my PERSONAL opinion, I still find it difficult to see why the prosecution was brought in the first place as there seemed to be no evidence to suggest that an offence HAD taken place. Like I say, I'm no expert and others may be better placed than me to comment on the likelihood of a compensation claim being successful. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 11:35:16 GMT
No job is good enough for McCormack let alone being a professional footballer. Served his time, entitled to make a living..... Agreed - the law of this country says he has paid his dues. Whatever anybody may personally think, and however distraught the family must have been (and still are) - nothing changes that fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 11:37:48 GMT
Football was his trade though. No different to a plasterer or a welder going back to work in that respect. I look at him and think "Does he regret that incident every day of his life?" and I think he probably does. I worked with a bloke up until recently who served a similar sentence for killing a teenager down in Portsmouth when he was in his early 20's and it took him years to try and rebuild his life and reputation. But it tormented him and affected everything he did, and when you think about it in the cold light of day how many "decent" people at some point have sent a quick text whilst driving, or had 3/4 pints and risked driving home, or gone on a works night out rolled in at 02:00 and then jumped in their car at 08:00 to drive home? In McCormick's case it was a blazing row with his missus after getting drunk and then driving after only a few hours kip to sort things out. He clearly wasn't thinking straight, and what unfolded was absolutely tragic. But there are no winners in that situation and I don't think depriving him of a life afterwards helps anyone as sad as it is.... I know the guy very very well who recovered the car he hit from the side of the motorway, he was a few weeks into new job and had a call early Sunday morning to recover a car that had been involved in an accident on the motorway. To say it shook him up is an understatement, and as someone with family, he wasn't really prepared for seeing what he saw that day. Is it acceptable to 'risk' driving home, after what I suspect is more than a few beer the day before (I have never had a 'few' beers at a wedding) at the speeds he was doing? If it was a risk, surely you would take your time? I'm sure he thinks about it a lot and it eats away at him, but for me, I wouldn't bat an eyelid if we had never heard of him again after this! Anyway.....Ched Evans, fair play to him, he had a lapse of judgement (he picked the wrong girl!) and has been cleared of any wrong doing, why shouldn't any team took at him!? No, it isn't acceptable, and he received a punishment for his actions in a court of law. He served his time, and whatever anybody may think about it, has paid his dues. |
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Post by salopstick on Apr 25, 2017 11:40:28 GMT
Yes Lakeland that is right. Although he has spent time in custody. If he hasn't committed an offence he will be eligible for compensation. It isn't as cut and dried as that, although you might think that it should be. I think compensation is only payable if there were procedural errors in the prosecution. I'm certainly no expert but I have read of other cases where you would think compo would be cut and dried but it was not paid because the prosecution was deemed to have been legitimate. In my PERSONAL opinion, I still find it difficult to see why the prosecution was brought in the first place as there seemed to be no evidence to suggest that an offence HAD taken place. Like I say, I'm no expert and others may be better placed than me to comment on the likelihood of a compensation claim being successful. From what I heard Ched Evans didn't have the best reputation in Rhyl and his prosecution may have been pushed because of this. Although Adam Johnson's comments over the weekend were wrong he had a point in if he was joe public the whole case may have had different outcomes. |
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Post by RAF on Apr 25, 2017 11:53:15 GMT
Best of luck to him. He shagged a tart who then set him up and did two and a half years in de slammer. Most expensive shag he's ever had. She has never accused him of anything and has had to suffer for this kind of reaction She never accused him of rape? H |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 25, 2017 12:00:05 GMT
It isn't as cut and dried as that, although you might think that it should be. I think compensation is only payable if there were procedural errors in the prosecution. I'm certainly no expert but I have read of other cases where you would think compo would be cut and dried but it was not paid because the prosecution was deemed to have been legitimate. In my PERSONAL opinion, I still find it difficult to see why the prosecution was brought in the first place as there seemed to be no evidence to suggest that an offence HAD taken place. Like I say, I'm no expert and others may be better placed than me to comment on the likelihood of a compensation claim being successful. From what I heard Ched Evans didn't have the best reputation in Rhyl and his prosecution may have been pushed because of this. Although Adam Johnson's comments over the weekend were wrong he had a point in if he was joe public the whole case may have had different outcomes. Johnson may (or may not) have a point as regards the length of sentence he got. But as to his conviction I don't think he has a leg to stand on. The girl was under age, there was a complaint to the Police and he was an adult who admitted some of the charges - I don't see how he was ever going to avoid being prosecuted and I can't see any reason why he would not be found guilty. There are always disputes about whether sentences reflect the high profile of the guilty party - but this cuts both ways - some say that high profile offenders sometimes get lower sentences. As to Ched Evans - you may be right that his reputation influenced the decision to prosecute. I can only say that (as someone who has submitted cases for consideration for prosecution by HM Customs) the evidence to bring the prosecution never looked compelling to me - unless there were some factors which were not reported in the media. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 25, 2017 12:01:00 GMT
She has never accused him of anything and has had to suffer for this kind of reaction She never accused him of rape? H I think gm is correct. I don't think she did? |
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Post by greyman on Apr 25, 2017 12:05:54 GMT
She has never accused him of anything and has had to suffer for this kind of reaction She never accused him of rape? H No, mate. She's never accused him of rape. It was the police and CPS who decided he should face trial for rape. |
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 25, 2017 12:16:36 GMT
She has never accused him of anything and has had to suffer for this kind of reaction She never accused him of rape? H No she's always stuck to a story of not being able to remember anything Because she can't remember anything and what Evans & Mcdonald told the police, the police told her she'd been raped |
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 25, 2017 12:21:27 GMT
Mental if true Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards He's had his conviction quashed by the court of appeal and was found not guilty at a retrial. So the law says he is innocent - and on the evidence I saw I'm surprised he was convicted in the first place - it never seemed a "safe" conviction to me. So I can't say I am surprised that he is playing football again nor that his previous club wants to sign him. Does this mean he's a good role model for young people? No, of course not! Does it mean that I would be rushing to re-sign him if I were on the board at the Blades? Probabaly not. But it is down to the Blades and their fans whether they wish to sign an ex player who, in the eyes of the law, is innocent of any criminal offence. Bang on point buddy. |
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 25, 2017 12:26:57 GMT
Yes Lakeland that is right. Although he has spent time in custody. If he hasn't committed an offence he will be eligible for compensation. It isn't as cut and dried as that, although you might think that it should be. I think compensation is only payable if there were procedural errors in the prosecution. I'm certainly no expert but I have read of other cases where you would think compo would be cut and dried but it was not paid because the prosecution was deemed to have been legitimate. In my PERSONAL opinion, I still find it difficult to see why the prosecution was brought in the first place as there seemed to be no evidence to suggest that an offence HAD taken place. Like I say, I'm no expert and others may be better placed than me to comment on the likelihood of a compensation claim being successful. He will not be allowed compensation if the case has been quashed while going through the normal appeal process - winning at the first attempt. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 12:27:13 GMT
He has been found innocent, while Luke McCormack is being allowed to play for and even captain Plymouth, which is an absolute disgrace. If we're to have any faith in our prison system those who has served their time should be able to live like anyone else. If we have faith in our prison system... |
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 25, 2017 12:32:32 GMT
From what I heard Ched Evans didn't have the best reputation in Rhyl and his prosecution may have been pushed because of this. Although Adam Johnson's comments over the weekend were wrong he had a point in if he was joe public the whole case may have had different outcomes. Johnson may (or may not) have a point as regards the length of sentence he got. But as to his conviction I don't think he has a leg to stand on. The girl was under age, there was a complaint to the Police and he was an adult who admitted some of the charges - I don't see how he was ever going to avoid being prosecuted and I can't see any reason why he would not be found guilty. There are always disputes about whether sentences reflect the high profile of the guilty party - but this cuts both ways - some say that high profile offenders sometimes get lower sentences. As to Ched Evans - you may be right that his reputation influenced the decision to prosecute. I can only say that (as someone who has submitted cases for consideration for prosecution by HM Customs) the evidence to bring the prosecution never looked compelling to me - unless there were some factors which were not reported in the media. I agree, it was clearly a weak prosecution, which the CPS should never have proceeded with in the first place. It was never in the public's best interest to bring this case before the courts. We have a victim who could not remember if a crime had even been committed... Just let that sink in for a moment. Then at trial, one defendant is found not guilty, and the other guilty. They ruined Evans life for no good reason. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 25, 2017 14:45:25 GMT
It isn't as cut and dried as that, although you might think that it should be. I think compensation is only payable if there were procedural errors in the prosecution. I'm certainly no expert but I have read of other cases where you would think compo would be cut and dried but it was not paid because the prosecution was deemed to have been legitimate. In my PERSONAL opinion, I still find it difficult to see why the prosecution was brought in the first place as there seemed to be no evidence to suggest that an offence HAD taken place. Like I say, I'm no expert and others may be better placed than me to comment on the likelihood of a compensation claim being successful. He will not be allowed compensation if the case has been quashed while going through the normal appeal process - winning at the first attempt. I'm not sure if the case was quashed at the first attempt. Hadn't he served his sentence before the appeal which quashed the conviction and ordered a retrial. Wouldn't that suggest there had been an earlier appeal which had failed? |
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 25, 2017 15:03:09 GMT
He will not be allowed compensation if the case has been quashed while going through the normal appeal process - winning at the first attempt. I'm not sure if the case was quashed at the first attempt. Hadn't he served his sentence before the appeal which quashed the conviction and ordered a retrial. Wouldn't that suggest there had been an earlier appeal which had failed? Yes, it appears that he had a leave for appeal request rejected back in November last year, so he may well be entitled to compensation. In my opinion there is no financial settlement that can give him back what he has lost or make good on the psychological effects he must have suffered. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 25, 2017 15:28:12 GMT
I'm not sure if the case was quashed at the first attempt. Hadn't he served his sentence before the appeal which quashed the conviction and ordered a retrial. Wouldn't that suggest there had been an earlier appeal which had failed? Yes, it appears that he had a leave for appeal request rejected back in November last year, so he may well be entitled to compensation. In my opinion there is no financial settlement that can give him back what he has lost or make good on the psychological effects he must have suffered. He must have a good chance of compensation, you'd think. Not only was the case virtually non existent, but somehow the prosecution and the judge between them managed to convince a jury thare was a case proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Then somehow (bizarrely) the court of appeal decided at first that there were no grounds for appeal. I think our judicial system is actually pretty good compared to some others. But then cases like this one make you realise it is sometimes seriously flawed.  |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 25, 2017 16:10:56 GMT
Yes, it appears that he had a leave for appeal request rejected back in November last year, so he may well be entitled to compensation. In my opinion there is no financial settlement that can give him back what he has lost or make good on the psychological effects he must have suffered. He must have a good chance of compensation, you'd think. Not only was the case virtually non existent, but somehow the prosecution and the judge between them managed to convince a jury thare was a case proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Then somehow (bizarrely) the court of appeal decided at first that there were no grounds for appeal. I think our judicial system is actually pretty good compared to some others. But then cases like this one make you realise it is sometimes seriously flawed. I think the benefit of any compensation would be psychological rather than financial. Something concrete & tangible that could help Evans come to terms with what's happened. He should also be eligible for the full range of services that Victims of Crime recieve. (eg, counselling, victim support etc ). Given that Evans is in fact a victim rather than a perpetrator. |
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Post by thegift on Apr 25, 2017 20:35:54 GMT
Well, setting aside all debate around the incident, he's still a convicted rapist. Sent from my SM-G928F using pro boards There is no debate you fucktard, the guy has hat that conviction crushed. |
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Post by thegift on Apr 25, 2017 20:46:12 GMT
Bloody PC Brigade at it again. They really are the root of all evil....... Well, people have this opinion that you shouldn't get on with your life after serving their time (The argument about how much time is a different one) Cause you should. You'd do your time - your a free man. We don't decide the time they get, so you can not use that in an argument. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 25, 2017 20:51:11 GMT
She never accused Evans of rape. She went into the police to report a stolen handbag. She then told them her story and they put 2 and 2 together.
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 25, 2017 21:03:15 GMT
Well, people have this opinion that you shouldn't get on with your life after serving their time (The argument about how much time is a different one) Cause you should. You'd do your time - your a free man. We don't decide the time they get, so you can not use that in an argument. Finally something I fully agree with you on. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 21:22:20 GMT
He's paid his dues time after time. He's done his sentence, but committed no crime. Bad mistakes... he's made a few. He's had his share of sand kicked in his face, but he's come through.
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Post by thegift on Apr 25, 2017 22:00:06 GMT
Cause you should. You'd do your time - your a free man. We don't decide the time they get, so you can not use that in an argument. Finally something I fully agree with you on. I am very reasonable when it comes to shit like this. |
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Post by thegift on Apr 25, 2017 22:02:34 GMT
He's paid his dues time after time. He's done his sentence, but committed no crime. Bad mistakes... he's made a few. He's had his share of sand kicked in his face, but he's come through. He deserves million in compensation - not only has he had 3/4 years off his life taken away, he's now still going to be punished by selfish narrow minded people for the rest of his life. Totally unfair and wrong. |
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Post by greyman on Apr 25, 2017 22:07:40 GMT
She never accused Evans of rape. She went into the police to report a stolen handbag. She then told them her story and they put 2 and 2 together. That's not quite true either. The charges were brought mainly on the basis of the statements made by Ched Evans and Clayton McDonald themselves. It's all in the court transcripts. Neither man denied the events, just the claim that she hadn't consented. In fact, the only way the facts of the case came to be known was through the statements made by the two men. The woman has never accused them of anything. |
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