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Post by lordb on May 18, 2017 12:40:17 GMT
Out of interest has anyone changed their mind about who they are going to vote for as a result of the manifesto launches?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 18, 2017 12:40:34 GMT
On another topic. Does anyone think that if May wins she'll re-shuffle the cabinet much or not at all? Hot rumour is, Hammond's on his bike! Apparently, he swears when he talks on the phone to No. 10? Wow! If that all it takes to be Chancellor then me, 'essex', 'sheik' and 'huddy's' must be prime candidates to replace him?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 12:42:50 GMT
Just said on 'Sky' there's no costings whatsoever! The ultimate Tory blank cheque! No the ultimate in Two faced, hypocritical, tory politicians!! If the other parties did this they would attack them! they really are the nasty party only out for themselves and the rich! You cant trust a tory!! the conservatives putting the con in politics!Is it just me, but do you realise that there isn't a C-O-N in the word politics ?? That's the whole point of the pun isn't it ?? Like nicholasjalcock puts the 'fun' in dysfunctional
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 12:50:09 GMT
Whatevs. Daneland, Bruxelles and the other 26 will have to argue over how much a red line that is for them. As you know, the Tory manifesto, it was said, would be very short and only about 'Brexit'.Surprised it is so long on the web-site? The good news is, as an Irritable Bowel Syndrome sufferer, I will now only need one download for one download!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 18, 2017 12:54:27 GMT
As you know, the Tory manifesto, it was said, would be very short and only about 'Brexit'.Surprised it is so long on the web-site? The good news is, as an Irritable Bowel Syndrome sufferer, I will now only need one download for one download! Thanks 'roge', a friend of mine has provided me with some Imodium for a condensed version too!
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Post by Northy on May 18, 2017 12:55:43 GMT
Out of interest has anyone changed their mind about who they are going to vote for as a result of the manifesto launches? hadnt made my mind up to start with now theres no pirate party, will have a look at the manifestos in detail but nothing inspires me atm
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Post by Northy on May 18, 2017 13:03:01 GMT
I'm sure some of you don't have a grasp on reality. She is only cutting infant dinners for those in work. Those that have free meals already continue Additionally every kid up to start of high school gets a breakfast Someone tell me how that's not fair? I think its you that has a lack on reality the reason for all getting free school meals at a primary level was to give them 1 hot Meal a day and remove a stigma from having free school meals that used to mean some didn't take it up, free breakfast introduced whoopee most kids wont turn up as always late, the second thing cereals are cheap and aren't the companies conservative donors ? Money for there supporters yet again!! You cant trust a tory!! the conservatives putting the con in politics!*their not all got free school meals though, only the ones on some sort of income support, all the experts say that breakfast is the most important meal of the day and you are clutching at straws by saying that most will turn up late, stick to the facts.
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Post by followyoudown on May 18, 2017 13:28:16 GMT
No the ultimate in Two faced, hypocritical, tory politicians!! If the other parties did this they would attack them! they really are the nasty party only out for themselves and the rich! You cant trust a tory!! the conservatives putting the con in politics!Is it just me, but do you realise that there isn't a C-O-N in the word politics ?? That's the whole point of the pun isn't it ?? Like nicholasjalcock puts the 'fun' in dysfunctional Shhhh, remember
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Post by robstokie on May 18, 2017 13:52:22 GMT
Free school meals Cut! pensioners hit with cuts! benefits cut! Thousands using food banks!
The Caring face of the Tories!! You cant trust a tory!! the conservatives putting the con in politics! Free School Meals Cut? Only for those who didn't qualify means-tested. That policy was a waste of time and money anyway, as a lot of pupils take their own lunch in. Pensioners Hit with cuts? Only the richest who don't really need bus passes/Fuel Allowances because they actually but did well for themselves and can afford it anyway. And without the burden of Corbyns tax rises, pensioners will actually have more money in their pocket in real terms, not given an amount every week/month and then taxed double that. Benefits Cut? Too many people choose not to work and rely on the state. Those who are genuinely too sick too work will be protected, but those that think its ok to pop out a couple of sprogs and get a council house, plus fags/booze money should have to try to actually find work. Thousands Using Food Banks? A majority of those who use food banks are same people as above who milk the system for all its worth. Its funny how they have to go to food banks when they have a pack of fags in their pocket, a crate of lager at the house, plus a 52 inch plasma TV, Smartphone, IPad and the latest XBOX/PlayStation in their living room, paid for by the taxpayer on the pretence the money was to be used for food and other essentials.
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Post by salopstick on May 18, 2017 13:57:13 GMT
Out of interest has anyone changed their mind about who they are going to vote for as a result of the manifesto launches? Not really I could not vote for corbyns party out of principle his IRA loving days before anything else. . I considered voting for smith I thought he was decent. I couldn't take for blair even though I knew the country needed change and by his second term was proved right. Brown was more of the same. I probably would have voted for David Miliband but his brother was the wrong man. The tories are not always right but this time they are the only option. It comes down to Brexit. I trust the tories more with the negotiations than labour. I voted for the destination not the journey to steal someone's quote and although we do t know that journey a half eurosceptic party will be better than labours predominantly pro euro stance The manifestos are just handbags between the two.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 18, 2017 14:49:34 GMT
Out of interest has anyone changed their mind about who they are going to vote for as a result of the manifesto launches? Well Jezza is now polling above Milliband. There's no doubt that the Labour manifesto is chiming a lot better than the Tories ever anticipated. Sadly the Tories are still polling higher than Kim Jong Un! You do wonder if Labour go up another couple of points though whether the Tories will change tack.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 15:03:40 GMT
Out of interest has anyone changed their mind about who they are going to vote for as a result of the manifesto launches? Well Jezza is now polling above Milliband. There's no doubt that the Labour manifesto is chiming a lot better than the Tories ever anticipated. Sadly the Tories are still polling higher than Kim Jong Un! You do wonder if Labour go up another couple of points though whether the Tories will change tack. The smarty money is on manifesto bounces. The poll was before today but unfortunately for Farron it includes his launch. The Conservative's won't change tack because Labour's rise is not at their expense. It'll have to go from blue to red which I just don't see. I'm out now but there's a good poll combining the latest 10 polls including this MORI one and it's about 49 - 32.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 18, 2017 15:15:09 GMT
Well Jezza is now polling above Milliband. There's no doubt that the Labour manifesto is chiming a lot better than the Tories ever anticipated. Sadly the Tories are still polling higher than Kim Jong Un! You do wonder if Labour go up another couple of points though whether the Tories will change tack. The smarty money is on manifesto bounces. The poll was before today but unfortunately for Farron it includes his launch. The Conservative's won't change tack because Labour's rise is not at their expense. It'll have to go from blue to red which I just don't see. I'm out now but there's a good poll combining the latest 10 polls including this MORI one and it's about 49 - 32. The Wikipedia page is good for an overview of several different polls: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017#2017 It shows the gap narrowing slightly on average, but nowhere near quick enough.
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Post by followyoudown on May 18, 2017 15:15:36 GMT
Well Jezza is now polling above Milliband. There's no doubt that the Labour manifesto is chiming a lot better than the Tories ever anticipated. Sadly the Tories are still polling higher than Kim Jong Un! You do wonder if Labour go up another couple of points though whether the Tories will change tack. The smarty money is on manifesto bounces. The poll was before today but unfortunately for Farron it includes his launch. The Conservative's won't change tack because Labour's rise is not at their expense. It'll have to go from blue to red which I just don't see. I'm out now but there's a good poll combining the latest 10 polls including this MORI one and it's about 49 - 32. Look at the same survey for may change their mind 42% of Labour vote 22% of Tory vote also will definitely vote is 38% to 19% Tory to Labour.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 15:17:11 GMT
Well Jezza is now polling above Milliband. There's no doubt that the Labour manifesto is chiming a lot better than the Tories ever anticipated. Sadly the Tories are still polling higher than Kim Jong Un! You do wonder if Labour go up another couple of points though whether the Tories will change tack. The smarty money is on manifesto bounces. The poll was before today but unfortunately for Farron it includes his launch. The Conservative's won't change tack because Labour's rise is not at their expense. It'll have to go from blue to red which I just don't see. I'm out now but there's a good poll combining the latest 10 polls including this MORI one and it's about 49 - 32. Smarty money ?? WTF *smart money
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Post by bathstoke on May 18, 2017 15:17:17 GMT
I think its you that has a lack on reality the reason for all getting free school meals at a primary level was to give them 1 hot Meal a day and remove a stigma from having free school meals that used to mean some didn't take it up, free breakfast introduced whoopee most kids wont turn up as always late, the second thing cereals are cheap and aren't the companies conservative donors ? Money for there supporters yet again!! You cant trust a tory!! the conservatives putting the con in politics!All the experts say that breakfast is the most important meal of the day and you are clutching at straws by saying that most will turn up late, stick to the facts. That's an old wives tale, spun by builders & fat old wives. No science in it whatsoever
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 15:30:37 GMT
The smarty money is on manifesto bounces. The poll was before today but unfortunately for Farron it includes his launch. The Conservative's won't change tack because Labour's rise is not at their expense. It'll have to go from blue to red which I just don't see. I'm out now but there's a good poll combining the latest 10 polls including this MORI one and it's about 49 - 32. Look at the same survey for may change their mind 42% of Labour vote 22% of Tory vote also will definitely vote is 38% to 19% Tory to Labour. Yes. May's message has been clearer. Brexit, Team May, Brexit, times are going to get tough, Brexit, EU are nasty, look at the opposition leader, Brexit .... repeat to fade. Corbo has promised us the moon in a gold plated spaceship. May's sensibly not thrown too many numbers around. More mindset and principles. Ben page from MORI made some interesting comments. A lot of don't knows usually don't vote at all.
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Post by salopstick on May 18, 2017 15:32:43 GMT
Look at the same survey for may change their mind 42% of Labour vote 22% of Tory vote also will definitely vote is 38% to 19% Tory to Labour. Yes. May's message has been clearer. Brexit, Team May, Brexit, times are going to get tough, Brexit, EU are nasty, look at the opposition leader, Brexit .... repeat to fade. Corbo has promised us the moon in a gold plated spaceship. May's sensibly not thrown too many numbers around. More mindset and principles. You can't trust labour over Brexit
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 18, 2017 15:38:33 GMT
Yes. May's message has been clearer. Brexit, Team May, Brexit, times are going to get tough, Brexit, EU are nasty, look at the opposition leader, Brexit .... repeat to fade. Corbo has promised us the moon in a gold plated spaceship. May's sensibly not thrown too many numbers around. More mindset and principles. You can't trust labour over Brexit You can't trust the Tories over this: "Theresa May’s election campaign has received a £50,000 donation from a Syrian-born businessman who was recently interviewed by the Serious Fraud Office, according to official data. Ayman Asfari, the chief executive of the oil services group Petrofac, gave the money to the Tories just days before the Guardian disclosed that he was recently interviewed under caution by the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) over suspected bribery, corruption and money laundering by the company." What's the betting he is either 1)not charged or 2)the case like the South Thanet case is not processed by the C.P.S. until after June 8th?
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Post by Northy on May 18, 2017 16:05:05 GMT
All the experts say that breakfast is the most important meal of the day and you are clutching at straws by saying that most will turn up late, stick to the facts. That's an old wives tale, spun by builders & fat old wives. No science in it whatsoever science direct thinks it is? : - www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1878450X17300045although there are probably others that say it isn't. I cannot go without breakfast, I get shakes and hot flushes by 9 if I haven't eaten
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Post by followyoudown on May 18, 2017 16:06:03 GMT
You can't trust labour over Brexit You can't trust the Tories over this: "Theresa May’s election campaign has received a £50,000 donation from a Syrian-born businessman who was recently interviewed by the Serious Fraud Office, according to official data. Ayman Asfari, the chief executive of the oil services group Petrofac, gave the money to the Tories just days before the Guardian disclosed that he was recently interviewed under caution by the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) over suspected bribery, corruption and money laundering by the company." What's the betting he is either 1)not charged or 2)the case like the South Thanet case is not processed by the C.P.S. until after June 8th? Clutching at straws he's been a long term donor and is interviewed about allegations as he is CEO of the company, no suggestion he had done these things. Shall we talk about Leigh Day solicitors and their association with Labour ?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 18, 2017 16:10:31 GMT
You can't trust the Tories over this: "Theresa May’s election campaign has received a £50,000 donation from a Syrian-born businessman who was recently interviewed by the Serious Fraud Office, according to official data. Ayman Asfari, the chief executive of the oil services group Petrofac, gave the money to the Tories just days before the Guardian disclosed that he was recently interviewed under caution by the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) over suspected bribery, corruption and money laundering by the company." What's the betting he is either 1)not charged or 2)the case like the South Thanet case is not processed by the C.P.S. until after June 8th? Clutching at straws he's been a long term donor and is interviewed about allegations as he is CEO of the company, no suggestion he had done these things. Shall we talk about Leigh Day solicitors and their association with Labour ? If you're ever in court 'followyoudown' just tell them you're a Tory donor! That should sort it!
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Post by bathstoke on May 18, 2017 16:10:55 GMT
That's an old wives tale, spun by builders & fat old wives. No science in it whatsoever science direct thinks it is? : - www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1878450X17300045although there are probably others that say it isn't. I cannot go without breakfast, I get shakes and hot flushes by 9 if I haven't eaten Paah, Science Direct are just a Mike Ashley spin off & should be considered fake science. As for the flushes, have you tried HRT...
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Post by followyoudown on May 18, 2017 16:23:39 GMT
Clutching at straws he's been a long term donor and is interviewed about allegations as he is CEO of the company, no suggestion he had done these things. Shall we talk about Leigh Day solicitors and their association with Labour ? If you're ever in court 'followyoudown' just tell them you're a Tory donor! That should sort it! You really are clueless your editing of the reporting was to make it seem he suddenly donated £50k as an attempt to buy justice, the truth is somewhat different.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 18, 2017 16:31:32 GMT
If you're ever in court 'followyoudown' just tell them you're a Tory donor! That should sort it! You really are clueless your editing of the reporting was to make it seem he suddenly donated £50k as an attempt to buy justice, the truth is somewhat different. So, he's not attempting to buy justice? Pray tell me what he is attempting to buy?
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Post by capto on May 18, 2017 16:42:38 GMT
Out of interest has anyone changed their mind about who they are going to vote for as a result of the manifesto launches? Not really I could not vote for corbyns party out of principle his IRA loving days before anything else. . I considered voting for smith I thought he was decent. I couldn't take for blair even though I knew the country needed change and by his second term was proved right. Brown was more of the same. I probably would have voted for David Miliband but his brother was the wrong man. The tories are not always right but this time they are the only option. It comes down to Brexit. I trust the tories more with the negotiations than labour. I voted for the destination not the journey to steal someone's quote and although we do t know that journey a half eurosceptic party will be better than labours predominantly pro euro stance The manifestos are just handbags between the two. Are you incapable of telling the truth? Thatcher held talks with the IRA Where has Labour said it will not go forward with Brexit? The conservatives held the referendum because they thought they would win & UK would stay in EU
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 16:52:14 GMT
You really are clueless your editing of the reporting was to make it seem he suddenly donated £50k as an attempt to buy justice, the truth is somewhat different. So, he's not attempting to buy justice? Pray tell me what he is attempting to buy? Nicholas what's your view of the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party Tom Watson being funded by Max Moseley??
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 18, 2017 17:05:37 GMT
So, he's not attempting to buy justice? Pray tell me what he is attempting to buy? Nicholas what's your view of the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party Tom Watson being funded by Max Moseley?? Well, he can't be buying influence because Tom Watson isn't in government and won't be!
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Post by salopstick on May 18, 2017 17:09:35 GMT
Not really I could not vote for corbyns party out of principle his IRA loving days before anything else. . I considered voting for smith I thought he was decent. I couldn't take for blair even though I knew the country needed change and by his second term was proved right. Brown was more of the same. I probably would have voted for David Miliband but his brother was the wrong man. The tories are not always right but this time they are the only option. It comes down to Brexit. I trust the tories more with the negotiations than labour. I voted for the destination not the journey to steal someone's quote and although we do t know that journey a half eurosceptic party will be better than labours predominantly pro euro stance The manifestos are just handbags between the two. Are you incapable of telling the truth? Thatcher held talks with the IRA Where has Labour said it will not go forward with Brexit? The conservatives held the referendum because they thought they would win & UK would stay in EU I believe in peace in NI. I accept negotiations were necessary to achieve peace. I'm also very pissed off that immunity was given to convicted killers at the same time as 70 year old ex soldiers are arrested for crimes they may have or may not committed. Amnesty goes two ways. Corbyn is a well known sympathiser his actions are all over the net for all to see. So for many personal reasons even if his policies were the best I wouldn't vote for that terrorist loving politician or currently the party he leads. An enabler for violence in NI not peace. As for Brexit I would have a lot more respect for his position if he had stayed on the leave side. A side he has supported most of his political life. He could have led labour to a win on the referendum and maybe a win in the subsequent election Cameron may have thought they would win but the rise of UKIP and the support for leave got us out. The tories did not fuck up by losing. They lost fairly, democratically by giving the electorate the deserved referendum. In fact bollocks. The EU got us out by their stubbornness for change, lack of democracy and arrogance that they could do to the UK what they want. I bet there is a lot of hindsight about the concessions Cameron originally sought.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 18, 2017 17:29:47 GMT
Few disgruntled DM readers today.
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