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Post by rabbigan on Apr 6, 2017 4:55:52 GMT
Yes afraid so. When we have been crying out for someone like Cameron in the midfield all season he never thought to use Muniesa who is technically gifted has scored the best goal we have scored all season. Persisted with Charlie Adam and wasted Joe Allen in a defensive midfield role when he was earning rave reviews as a number 10.
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Post by buxtonpotter on Apr 6, 2017 7:25:47 GMT
out of interest what gives you that confidence? Just my opinion. No reason to be confident that's what will happen but it's what I think would be for the best. I think to be fair he does try and change things and be adaptable. It's not paying off at the moment but at least he is making changes. On the signings front I think he is still trusted somewhat and if required money would be made available but I would like to think that the club and those involved in the transfers recognise we need to change our plan a little bit and get some pace back in the squad. It has to be said that my opinion is on the whole a large majority of his transfer business has been poor, I think he underestimates the value of top quality fullbacks which could make a huge difference. He has come in and then instead of building from the back slowly & surely he has gone straight for the jugular and opened surgery on attack and the midfield. Of course I may be wrong but it makes sense to me to build from the back and work forward whilst buying players to suit the ones behind them with a tactical plan in mind. How we seem to do it is buy players, throw them all together in a cocktail shaker and see what comes out. I can't help but think the more he adds the worse it could get, he's lost his way in my opinion. If he wants my vote of confidence he needs to get eager players in and not cast offs from greater things, he needs to rethink preseason and the benefits of a strict fitness schedule both in preseason and in season. This slow start and gradual improvement through the season really rattles my cage. He needs to buy players of the right professional attitude instead of what they could do technically if everything fits perfect. I doubt he will do that so I'm out
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Post by buxtonpotter on Apr 6, 2017 7:33:31 GMT
In any sport fitness is massive, we are competing against athletes week in, week out so fitness levels should be taken seriously. Guardiola come in at man city and put Toure in the reserves until he was a certain weight for example. I want to see us fit and running up Austrian mountains in preseason to having a kick about. It may just reduce our in season injuries aswell
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Post by hanibal7 on Apr 6, 2017 7:36:49 GMT
Hughes in. Football not at its best but I think Hughes can turn it round. I'm confident that after having spent money on marquee signings that haven't worked out the focus this summer will be on younger, hungrier players that will provide the urgency and pace we've been lacking for a few months now. I think the benefit of keeping Hughes in this regard is that we have some continuity as a club. I think a few players need a smack in the gob, and tell them to stop acting like babies
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 6, 2017 10:30:12 GMT
Of course he should go its a no brainer And bring in who? We will see whats available in the summer.This football under Hughes cannot carry on.He has had plenty of money and blew the lot and we are a worse team for it.We are a premiership club in the most watched attractive league in the world we wont have any trouble in attracting a manager at all.Preferably one with a football brain.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 6, 2017 14:38:07 GMT
For those curious about how these polls worked out in the past: Hughes earlier this season, before West BromPulis, just before Pulis leftIt's still early days, poll wise, but to sum it up: Current total: 62.77% OUT September 2016: 57.78% OUT/Last Chance Pulis 2013: 67.37% OUT Just for fun, here's the poll on who people wanted to replace Pulis: Who should be the new manager?The Oatcake's top three all got rather unceremoniously booted out of their last jobs for gross incompetence - I hope Peter Coates doesn't consult us this time around!
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 6, 2017 14:42:26 GMT
Martinez, Poyet and Neville. That's an impressive top 3. Brings to mind the brief 'Appoint Mike Newell' campaign. Mind you, even if 4 years on, the Coates watchwords would still be 'solid', 'dependable, and 'track record', rather than 'flavour of the month' and 'foreign gamble', not exactly sure who the Hughes-like contenders would be this time around.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 6, 2017 15:19:28 GMT
Martinez, Poyet and Neville. That's an impressive top 3. Brings to mind the brief 'Appoint Mike Newell' campaign. Mind you, even if 4 years on, the Coates watchwords would still be 'solid', 'dependable, and 'track record', rather than 'flavour of the month' and 'foreign gamble', not exactly sure who the Hughes-like contenders would be this time around. You also have di Matteo in fourth place, not too far behind! I still think that if we're going for a solid, dependable option, it would have to be Dyche. You do wonder if Coates might be thinking of somebody who will know how to exploit the talents of the likes of Shaqiri, Bojan and Imbula, so that he gets the most value out of his investment, rather than just somebody who will do the admittedly vital job of freshening up the more 'sturdy' positions in the side. It's a big job for whoever can take it on.
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Post by lordb on Apr 6, 2017 16:15:25 GMT
Just my opinion. No reason to be confident that's what will happen but it's what I think would be for the best. I think to be fair he does try and change things and be adaptable. It's not paying off at the moment but at least he is making changes. On the signings front I think he is still trusted somewhat and if required money would be made available but I would like to think that the club and those involved in the transfers recognise we need to change our plan a little bit and get some pace back in the squad. It has to be said that my opinion is on the whole a large majority of his transfer business has been poor, I think he underestimates the value of top quality fullbacks which could make a huge difference. He has come in and then instead of building from the back slowly & surely he has gone straight for the jugular and opened surgery on attack and the midfield. Of course I may be wrong but it makes sense to me to build from the back and work forward whilst buying players to suit the ones behind them with a tactical plan in mind. How we seem to do it is buy players, throw them all together in a cocktail shaker and see what comes out. I can't help but think the more he adds the worse it could get, he's lost his way in my opinion. If he wants my vote of confidence he needs to get eager players in and not cast offs from greater things, he needs to rethink preseason and the benefits of a strict fitness schedule both in preseason and in season. This slow start and gradual improvement through the season really rattles my cage. He needs to buy players of the right professional attitude instead of what they could do technically if everything fits perfect. I doubt he will do that so I'm out Has his transfers been poor? Some clear flops, some clear hits as with all managers everywhere. Can someone much smarter than me produce a list of all his Stoke Transfers?
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Post by nott1 on Apr 6, 2017 16:38:18 GMT
The best fit for us would be the spanish waiter!
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 6, 2017 16:40:10 GMT
Just my opinion. No reason to be confident that's what will happen but it's what I think would be for the best. I think to be fair he does try and change things and be adaptable. It's not paying off at the moment but at least he is making changes. On the signings front I think he is still trusted somewhat and if required money would be made available but I would like to think that the club and those involved in the transfers recognise we need to change our plan a little bit and get some pace back in the squad. It has to be said that my opinion is on the whole a large majority of his transfer business has been poor, I think he underestimates the value of top quality fullbacks which could make a huge difference. He has come in and then instead of building from the back slowly & surely he has gone straight for the jugular and opened surgery on attack and the midfield. Of course I may be wrong but it makes sense to me to build from the back and work forward whilst buying players to suit the ones behind them with a tactical plan in mind. How we seem to do it is buy players, throw them all together in a cocktail shaker and see what comes out. I can't help but think the more he adds the worse it could get, he's lost his way in my opinion. If he wants my vote of confidence he needs to get eager players in and not cast offs from greater things, he needs to rethink preseason and the benefits of a strict fitness schedule both in preseason and in season. This slow start and gradual improvement through the season really rattles my cage. He needs to buy players of the right professional attitude instead of what they could do technically if everything fits perfect. I doubt he will do that so I'm out I think we've missed having our number 1 keeper and if you took a lot of other teams number 1 keepers out in the Premier League they would struggle defensively. That's not to say Grant has been poor, he's been arguably one of our players of the season but it is always difficult to replace a keeper because of the understanding that has been built and developed. When we went on at the run Sat season from October to January the defence was fantastic, unfortunately it's not been the same since. I agree on the full backs. Johnson has been poor for a while and Pieters seems to be regressing although I still think Erik is good enough for us and to be play a major part. I would also agree on the preseason comments. If he does stay, which I hope he does, he needs to have a good start and this is where a good summer comes into it.
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Post by upthefud on Apr 6, 2017 16:56:51 GMT
I honestly think that we were very fortunate to finish ninth last season. The football after the Semi-final cup exit was pretty poor fayre. Unfortunately finishing ninth bred complacency in the management team. You simply cannot go into a new season playing so few pre season games especially with the way we've started seasons under Hughes. For me mate he's made too many mistakes for an experienced manager. His signings are poor and his tactics /substitutions baffling. There is absolutely no evidence he can turn it around and as soon as the last game his finished we should tell him his services are no longer required. If he stays I really fear for us. Not strictly true though is it, because he took Pulis's pigs ear of a squad and turned that around far quicker than any of us thought he would! This is a pig's ear of his own making, but one thing I've always liked about Hughes is that he tries different things. True, he needs to settle on something now, but I don't believe that he's in some sort of tactical cul-de-sac from which there's no escape. He could still hit on something that works. We can say we were fortunate to finish 9th, but the fact is that we did- with a shockingly unlucky injury record too. I understand that people are pissed off at the moment- I am too, but I don't think it's fair to NOT give him the chance to rectify his mistakes after three 9th place finishes. We were an attacking pigs war but Hughes inherited a cracking spine which needed a sprinkling of flair. It wasn't the pigs ear of a squad you've invented. Butland Shawcross Huth Wilson N'Zonzi Cameron Whelan Adam Crouch The fact that Hughes had inherited such a strong spine (which he seems incapable of replacing) is part of the reason for our previous success
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Post by kronkie on Apr 6, 2017 17:38:47 GMT
Personally I wouldn't wait until the end off the season, out now!
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 6, 2017 19:33:23 GMT
My major concern is whether he will can be entrusted finding 11 players that we will need come May. It's a huge concern now and I'm not sure he's up to the job.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 6, 2017 21:42:51 GMT
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 6, 2017 22:15:25 GMT
Yes
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Post by buxtonpotter on Apr 7, 2017 7:26:43 GMT
It has to be said that my opinion is on the whole a large majority of his transfer business has been poor, I think he underestimates the value of top quality fullbacks which could make a huge difference. He has come in and then instead of building from the back slowly & surely he has gone straight for the jugular and opened surgery on attack and the midfield. Of course I may be wrong but it makes sense to me to build from the back and work forward whilst buying players to suit the ones behind them with a tactical plan in mind. How we seem to do it is buy players, throw them all together in a cocktail shaker and see what comes out. I can't help but think the more he adds the worse it could get, he's lost his way in my opinion. If he wants my vote of confidence he needs to get eager players in and not cast offs from greater things, he needs to rethink preseason and the benefits of a strict fitness schedule both in preseason and in season. This slow start and gradual improvement through the season really rattles my cage. He needs to buy players of the right professional attitude instead of what they could do technically if everything fits perfect. I doubt he will do that so I'm out I think we've missed having our number 1 keeper and if you took a lot of other teams number 1 keepers out in the Premier League they would struggle defensively. That's not to say Grant has been poor, he's been arguably one of our players of the season but it is always difficult to replace a keeper because of the understanding that has been built and developed. When we went on at the run Sat season from October to January the defence was fantastic, unfortunately it's not been the same since. I agree on the full backs. Johnson has been poor for a while and Pieters seems to be regressing although I still think Erik is good enough for us and to be play a major part. I would also agree on the preseason comments. If he does stay, which I hope he does, he needs to have a good start and this is where a good summer comes into it. Even last season we had but land saving our bacon time and time again, it was like shooting practice and earned butland the reviews he did. Luckily for us grant was up to it, he has needed to be. If he wasn't we could of been up shit creek with one paddle
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Post by buxtonpotter on Apr 7, 2017 7:29:29 GMT
It doesn't bare thinking about if some bigger club comes in for but land, we really can't afford to sell because if the next keeper is haugaardesque or grant dips in form we're not in a great position
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 9, 2017 8:24:39 GMT
Genuinely don't know now. He's looking more and more muddled and frustrated as none of the buttons he's pressing are giving him what he wants. Switching formations at the drop of a hat and hoping one will stick, Johnson and Adam right in the thick of it a month before we assume (or assumed) they're going to be released as the lowest hanging fruit of a rebuild, Bardsley dropped after being up there with our most consistent outfield players, Afellay erased from the picture immediately after signing up for 2 more years,
Don't envy the family making the call.
4 of the remaining 6 games seem very winnable on paper, so there's still time for him to potentially save himself, as even with all the huge underlying issues with the squad, it would be hard to see the trigger pulled on the back of 3 or 4 wins.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 9, 2017 8:26:58 GMT
Still a no from me, beat Hull and we'll get on a nice little run to finish the season comfortably placed.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 9, 2017 10:00:49 GMT
Genuinely don't know now. He's looking more and more muddled and frustrated as none of the buttons he's pressing are giving him what he wants. Switching formations at the drop of a hat and hoping one will stick, Johnson and Adam right in the thick of it a month before we assume (or assumed) they're going to be released as the lowest hanging fruit of a rebuild, Bardsley dropped after being up there with our most consistent outfield players, Afellay erased from the picture immediately after signing up for 2 more years, Don't envy the family making the call. 4 of the remaining 6 games seem very winnable on paper, so there's still time for him to potentially save himself, as even with all the huge underlying issues with the squad, it would be hard to see the trigger pulled on the back of 3 or 4 wins. The key words for me are "come the summer". After our customary 'slow' start, the last time his future was debated in earnest, I gave him until Halloween (Swansea game I think) to make or break. Then things stabilised for a bit before the next nose dive. Asked now about a summer exit and I've voted out, but win those 4 games and it becomes less clear cut. The major concern is the squad needs major surgery and is LMH to be trusted with the job? Ask me again on 21st May.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2017 15:08:01 GMT
Wonder if these kind of results are reflective of where the fanbase is now?
80% and 73% respectively want him sacked?
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Post by baystokie on Apr 23, 2017 22:11:56 GMT
Wonder if these kind of results are reflective of where the fanbase is now? 80% and 73% respectively want him sacked? No, it just shows how easy it is to say 'get rid' without having to put your money where your mouth is regarding a replacement or having any responsibility for the replacement possibly doing even worse. The perfect, unattributable cop-out. It would have been easier to say 'I think Hughes should go but I haven't the faintest idea what to do next, let someone else have that job and I'll criticise that appointment as well if it goes pear shaped'.
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Post by NassauDave on Apr 23, 2017 23:38:15 GMT
He needs to go.
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Post by RichJonesy on Apr 24, 2017 7:10:57 GMT
Someone do a poll with all the names of possible managers we could have next season. Include Hughes, Pulis, pardew, fat sam, moyes, silva and so on. Keep them realistic but I'd be interested to see who tops that with it including Hughes. I for one would vote Les.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Apr 24, 2017 7:30:54 GMT
Someone do a poll with all the names of possible managers we could have next season. Include Hughes, Pulis, pardew, fat sam, moyes, silva and so on. Keep them realistic but I'd be interested to see who tops that with it including Hughes. I for one would vote Les. Big Sam, Silva, fuck I'd even take Moyes over Sparky at the moment.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 24, 2017 7:45:14 GMT
Wonder if these kind of results are reflective of where the fanbase is now? 80% and 73% respectively want him sacked? No, it just shows how easy it is to say 'get rid' without having to put your money where your mouth is regarding a replacement or having any responsibility for the replacement possibly doing even worse. The perfect, unattributable cop-out. It would have been easier to say 'I think Hughes should go but I haven't the faintest idea what to do next, let someone else have that job and I'll criticise that appointment as well if it goes pear shaped'. The reason why some people don't specify a manager's name is because that makes them accountable when the wheels come off. They have to 'own' that statement. It is attributable to them. Far better then to be negative & vague. Hence the phrase ' Hughes has to go'. A completely pointless statement that spreads discontent without offering anything positive. The odds of Hughes going are currently 50-1. The odds of Pulis being sacked from West Brom are 40-1. Hughes is going nowhere.
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Post by reddipotter on Apr 24, 2017 8:53:49 GMT
No, it just shows how easy it is to say 'get rid' without having to put your money where your mouth is regarding a replacement or having any responsibility for the replacement possibly doing even worse. The perfect, unattributable cop-out. It would have been easier to say 'I think Hughes should go but I haven't the faintest idea what to do next, let someone else have that job and I'll criticise that appointment as well if it goes pear shaped'. The reason why some people don't specify a manager's name is because that makes them accountable when the wheels come off. They have to 'own' that statement. It is attributable to them. Far better then to be negative & vague. Hence the phrase ' Hughes has to go'. A completely pointless statement that spreads discontent without offering anything positive. The odds of Hughes going are currently 50-1. The odds of Pulis being sacked from West Brom are 40-1. Hughes is going nowhere. If, as a customer of Tesco, I decide that the quality of their products and service is poor, and I cannot work out where the company is going, I might well want, and expect, that the chief executive would be replaced. I would not, however, expect to be part of the advertising, interviewing and selection process- other people are paid plenty to do that and to know where to look. So, I see that Hughes is taking the club backwards and I want him replaced. I don't have to know who would be the best replacement.
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Post by skip on Apr 24, 2017 9:35:51 GMT
I don't necessarily want him gone, but I am becoming increasingly fatigued at the amount of players signed who aren't making an impact. And to add to that, his other signings who appear to be consigned to loans, or the bench or not even that. Beyond frustrating.
afterword: Plus, why are formations proving so ruddy complicated or contrived? I mean, I read on here that Berahino can't play outside of a 442 and the rest of our players don't play well in a 442, I mean, really? Are they all that incapable of playing a different system?
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Post by baystokie on Apr 24, 2017 10:11:20 GMT
The reason why some people don't specify a manager's name is because that makes them accountable when the wheels come off. They have to 'own' that statement. It is attributable to them. Far better then to be negative & vague. Hence the phrase ' Hughes has to go'. A completely pointless statement that spreads discontent without offering anything positive. The odds of Hughes going are currently 50-1. The odds of Pulis being sacked from West Brom are 40-1. Hughes is going nowhere. If, as a customer of Tesco, I decide that the quality of their products and service is poor, and I cannot work out where the company is going, I might well want, and expect, that the chief executive would be replaced. I would not, however, expect to be part of the advertising, interviewing and selection process- other people are paid plenty to do that and to know where to look. So, I see that Hughes is taking the club backwards and I want him replaced. I don't have to know who would be the best replacement. Who is to say that your judgement of Tesco's service is justified? I'm sure that they would not necessarily 'want' or 'expect' to sack their CEO on the basis of a few disgruntled customers. There may be underlying reasons of which you are not aware so I would leave it to the company to decide what is in their best interests. My main complaint is the point made by a previous poster that stating simply 'Hughes must go' is pointless. Unlike recruiting for Tesco, recruiting a Stoke manager is apparently something for which all supporters think are they are uniquely qualified - NOT
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