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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 4, 2017 21:05:07 GMT
I was quite pleased when I saw that we were lining up 3-4-3...we've always looked threatening with that formation, and we did again. For the first hour we were much the better side and should have been at least a couple of goals to the good. Arnie somehow managed to shin the ball when through on goal and we had a few other decent chances. Berahino was linking the play nicely and we had a few moves that were genuinely impressive in a game where decent football was admittedly thin on the ground.
However, as soon as they took the lead- against the run of play- it was like a switch was flicked and we did NOTHING but aimlessly hoof the ball forward. This wasn't a deliberate tactic because Crouch was on- we were doing it for a good 10 minutes before he came off the bench. Somehow though it got worse, even more aimless, when the big man was on. From 60 minutes onwards we might as well have just packed up and fucked off home as there was simply no way that the two Burnley centre backs were going to get outdone by a big brainless ball into the box.
What the shitting fuck Hughes was doing with his subs, only he knows, because Adam was doing his usual trick of fouling everything that moved in that last half-an-hour. How he remained on the pitch I have no idea. Not sure why Ramadan wasn't on to start with- possibly being rested or some other reason we don't know about- but not even bringing him on when we were desperate for creativity in the final third...Mental.
As unbelievable as it might sound after we've just watched that abomination of a last half-hour, I'm still quite encouraged by that first half. I'd like to see us try that 3-4-3 again, maybe not against Liverpool, but against Hull with Arnie and Ramadan behind Berahino. Adam would never get near a starting XI again for me- he's one of the biggest culprits of hoofing it forward looking for a Hollywood pass. I don't undertstand the Twitter clamour for Imbula either- the man has proven that he's not interested every time he's got near the field this season. Allen alongside Cameron for me, with Affelay and Whelan as stand-ins.
I'm pissed off tonight, we're all pissed off, but I'm not going to get into a slanging match with the usual suspects regarding the manager's future. The issues still clear for me- we get to the end of the season and give him the summer to rebuild.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 4, 2017 21:09:30 GMT
We've lost to the worst team I've ever seen because of the manager.
We were playing well. We went a goal down to their only chance. We just had to keep playing and we'd have equalised, maybe even won.
The manager handed the game to them in a plate with 2 of the most ridiculous substitutions I've ever had the misfortune to witness.
Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic and a scandalous dereliction of duty.
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Post by TexasPotter on Apr 4, 2017 21:11:52 GMT
We've lost to the worst team I've ever seen because of the manager. We were playing well. We went a goal down to their only chance. We just had to keep playing and we'd have equalised, maybe even won. The manager handed the game to them in a plate with 2 of the most ridiculous substitutions I've ever had the misfortune to witness. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic and a scandalous dereliction of duty. This. Hughes's subs benefitted them and were detrimental to stokes setup and strengths. Everybody knows this. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 4, 2017 21:20:51 GMT
The trouble is we have so little threat Arnie for his ability is very hit and miss Ramadan can beatake the world and his wide but has yet to learn when to cross or how to shoot and the only two players with a forward pass in them are Adam slow and Shaqiri who can politely be described as a bit of a show pony .
Berahino has the ability to find a yard and a nice flick but no real pace and we can't really find him anyway .He is not and will never be suited to the loan striker role in a league where pace and strength are as important as skill now.
To scrape to 40 points I would play 4-4-2 with Crouch and Diouf up front and play direct then do what has to be done to sort the shambles out in the summer.
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 4, 2017 21:32:48 GMT
I was quite pleased when I saw that we were lining up 3-4-3...we've always looked threatening with that formation, and we did again. For the first hour we were much the better side and should have been at least a couple of goals to the good. Arnie somehow managed to shin the ball when through on goal and we had a few other decent chances. Berahino was linking the play nicely and we had a few moves that were genuinely impressive in a game where decent football was admittedly thin on the ground. However, as soon as they took the lead- against the run of play- it was like a switch was flicked and we did NOTHING but aimlessly hoof the ball forward. This wasn't a deliberate tactic because Crouch was on- we were doing it for a good 10 minutes before he came off the bench. Somehow though it got worse, even more aimless, when the big man was on. From 60 minutes onwards we might as well have just packed up and fucked off home as there was simply no way that the two Burnley centre backs were going to get outdone by a big brainless ball into the box. What the shitting fuck Hughes was doing with his subs, only he knows, because Adam was doing his usual trick of fouling everything that moved in that last half-an-hour. How he remained on the pitch I have no idea. Not sure why Ramadan wasn't on to start with- possibly being rested or some other reason we don't know about- but not even bringing him on when we were desperate for creativity in the final third...Mental. As unbelievable as it might sound after we've just watched that abomination of a last half-hour, I'm still quite encouraged by that first half. I'd like to see us try that 3-4-3 again, maybe not against Liverpool, but against Hull with Arnie and Ramadan behind Berahino. Adam would never get near a starting XI again for me- he's one of the biggest culprits of hoofing it forward looking for a Hollywood pass. I don't undertstand the Twitter clamour for Imbula either- the man has proven that he's not interested every time he's got near the field this season. Allen alongside Cameron for me, with Affelay and Whelan as stand-ins. I'm pissed off tonight, we're all pissed off, but I'm not going to get into a slanging match with the usual suspects regarding the manager's future. The issues still clear for me- we get to the end of the season and give him the summer to rebuild. TD, I am with you on 99% of that, but you would really, really, honestly, hand on heart give Hughes the chance to rebuild that shower? It is totally of his own making, and that after wasting over 40m on players who, for various reasons, are now not deemed suitable to start a game for us and the lot of whom he would gladly sell in the summer, given half a chance? I am sorry, but all managers have a "sell by" date at a club, a time for them to take their leave or be asked to do so, when a new man needs to come in with fresh ideas and no favourites or signing record to protect. I am rather surprised that such time seems to have come so quickly for Hughes at Stoke (I mean, how did we get here from 18 months ago?), but I truly believe it has. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 4, 2017 21:39:52 GMT
I was quite pleased when I saw that we were lining up 3-4-3...we've always looked threatening with that formation, and we did again. For the first hour we were much the better side and should have been at least a couple of goals to the good. Arnie somehow managed to shin the ball when through on goal and we had a few other decent chances. Berahino was linking the play nicely and we had a few moves that were genuinely impressive in a game where decent football was admittedly thin on the ground. However, as soon as they took the lead- against the run of play- it was like a switch was flicked and we did NOTHING but aimlessly hoof the ball forward. This wasn't a deliberate tactic because Crouch was on- we were doing it for a good 10 minutes before he came off the bench. Somehow though it got worse, even more aimless, when the big man was on. From 60 minutes onwards we might as well have just packed up and fucked off home as there was simply no way that the two Burnley centre backs were going to get outdone by a big brainless ball into the box. What the shitting fuck Hughes was doing with his subs, only he knows, because Adam was doing his usual trick of fouling everything that moved in that last half-an-hour. How he remained on the pitch I have no idea. Not sure why Ramadan wasn't on to start with- possibly being rested or some other reason we don't know about- but not even bringing him on when we were desperate for creativity in the final third...Mental. As unbelievable as it might sound after we've just watched that abomination of a last half-hour, I'm still quite encouraged by that first half. I'd like to see us try that 3-4-3 again, maybe not against Liverpool, but against Hull with Arnie and Ramadan behind Berahino. Adam would never get near a starting XI again for me- he's one of the biggest culprits of hoofing it forward looking for a Hollywood pass. I don't undertstand the Twitter clamour for Imbula either- the man has proven that he's not interested every time he's got near the field this season. Allen alongside Cameron for me, with Affelay and Whelan as stand-ins. I'm pissed off tonight, we're all pissed off, but I'm not going to get into a slanging match with the usual suspects regarding the manager's future. The issues still clear for me- we get to the end of the season and give him the summer to rebuild.
Agree with all of that, up until the last sentence but as you don't want to talk about it, I wont address it. 
As for your analysis of the game, yep spot on ... it was clear as day at half time, that Adam needed to come off, Allen drop back next to Geoff and Ramadan come on on the flank, lord knows why it didn't happen.
Ultimately bringing Crouch on instead was completely ridiculous.
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 4, 2017 21:42:57 GMT
Tonight was Hughes "jumping the shark"......
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 4, 2017 21:46:39 GMT
I was quite pleased when I saw that we were lining up 3-4-3...we've always looked threatening with that formation, and we did again. For the first hour we were much the better side and should have been at least a couple of goals to the good. Arnie somehow managed to shin the ball when through on goal and we had a few other decent chances. Berahino was linking the play nicely and we had a few moves that were genuinely impressive in a game where decent football was admittedly thin on the ground. However, as soon as they took the lead- against the run of play- it was like a switch was flicked and we did NOTHING but aimlessly hoof the ball forward. This wasn't a deliberate tactic because Crouch was on- we were doing it for a good 10 minutes before he came off the bench. Somehow though it got worse, even more aimless, when the big man was on. From 60 minutes onwards we might as well have just packed up and fucked off home as there was simply no way that the two Burnley centre backs were going to get outdone by a big brainless ball into the box. What the shitting fuck Hughes was doing with his subs, only he knows, because Adam was doing his usual trick of fouling everything that moved in that last half-an-hour. How he remained on the pitch I have no idea. Not sure why Ramadan wasn't on to start with- possibly being rested or some other reason we don't know about- but not even bringing him on when we were desperate for creativity in the final third...Mental. As unbelievable as it might sound after we've just watched that abomination of a last half-hour, I'm still quite encouraged by that first half. I'd like to see us try that 3-4-3 again, maybe not against Liverpool, but against Hull with Arnie and Ramadan behind Berahino. Adam would never get near a starting XI again for me- he's one of the biggest culprits of hoofing it forward looking for a Hollywood pass. I don't undertstand the Twitter clamour for Imbula either- the man has proven that he's not interested every time he's got near the field this season. Allen alongside Cameron for me, with Affelay and Whelan as stand-ins. I'm pissed off tonight, we're all pissed off, but I'm not going to get into a slanging match with the usual suspects regarding the manager's future. The issues still clear for me- we get to the end of the season and give him the summer to rebuild. TD, I am with you on 99% of that, but you would really, really, honestly, hand on heart give Hughes the chance to rebuild that shower? It is totally of his own making, and that after wasting over 40m on players who, for various reasons, are now not deemed suitable to start a game for us and the lot of whom he would gladly sell in the summer, given half a chance? I am sorry, but all managers have a "sell by" date at a club, a time for them to take their leave or be asked to do so, when a new man needs to come in with fresh ideas and no favourites or signing record to protect. I am rather surprised that such time seems to have come so quickly for Hughes at Stoke (I mean, how did we get here from 18 months ago?), but I truly believe it has. Yeah, although I'm a Hughes fan, even my patience with him will have a breaking point. However, I think he's had some bad luck this year as much as anything. Shaqiri's injuries haven't helped, I don't really blame him for the Imbula fiasco either- he was a player the scouting team would have recommended, and if any of us had watched videos of him perform like he did for us against Chelsea etc then you'd think £18m was a steal. I mean, he was ace for us for 6 months, but there's clearly something wrong in his head. Bony's another one that's gone tits up that, on paper, really shouldn't have done. The signing that will make or break him is Berahino. He's chased him for that long, knew about all the off-field issues and alleged personality/attitude problems and hopefully has an idea about what he wants to do tactically to accommodate him. I want to see what happens next season after a full pre-season and the opportunity to sign other players for whatever new Berahino-based vision he's got (assuming there is a plan and he's not just winging it as we go along  ) . If this fails and we're hovering in the lower reaches of the table come November time, I think that's when even I'd say that he's had a fair crack of the whip and things may need freshening up. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 21:47:24 GMT
There is absolutely no way I'd trust Hughes to get us out of this predicament which is entirely of his own making. He has shown absolutely no indication that he can rectify the situation. If he stays next season then in my opinion our top flight status is in serious jeopardy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 21:55:15 GMT
TD, I am with you on 99% of that, but you would really, really, honestly, hand on heart give Hughes the chance to rebuild that shower? It is totally of his own making, and that after wasting over 40m on players who, for various reasons, are now not deemed suitable to start a game for us and the lot of whom he would gladly sell in the summer, given half a chance? I am sorry, but all managers have a "sell by" date at a club, a time for them to take their leave or be asked to do so, when a new man needs to come in with fresh ideas and no favourites or signing record to protect. I am rather surprised that such time seems to have come so quickly for Hughes at Stoke (I mean, how did we get here from 18 months ago?), but I truly believe it has. Yeah, although I'm a Hughes fan, even my patience with him will have a breaking point. However, I think he's had some bad luck this year as much as anything. Shaqiri's injuries haven't helped, I don't really blame him for the Imbula fiasco either- he was a player the scouting team would have recommended, and if any of us had watched videos of him perform like he did for us against Chelsea etc then you'd think £18m was a steal. I mean, he was ace for us for 6 months, but there's clearly something wrong in his head. Bony's another one that's gone tits up that, on paper, really shouldn't have done. The signing that will make or break him is Berahino. He's chased him for that long, knew about all the off-field issues and alleged personality/attitude problems and hopefully has an idea about what he wants to do tactically to accommodate him. I want to see what happens next season after a full pre-season and the opportunity to sign other players for whatever new Berahino-based vision he's got (assuming there is a plan and he's not just winging it as we go along ) . If this fails and we're hovering in the lower reaches of the table come November time, I think that's when even I'd say that he's had a fair crack of the whip and things may need freshening up. Imbula has never been ace for six months mate. He played really well at Chelsea and scored a good goal at Bournemouth. That for me is it. He's been OK in a handful of other games but from very early on it was clear the defensive side of his game was non existent. Every one of the managers big money signings has not come off. Imbula, Shaqiri, Joselu.... 37 million down the pan. Joe Allen despite a mini purple patch of goal scoring is not the same guy who plays for Wales. The juries still out on Berahino as well although he's getting absolutely no service. Another player who Hughes has no idea how to get the best out of him. I've had enough. He needs to go. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 4, 2017 22:03:50 GMT
Yeah, although I'm a Hughes fan, even my patience with him will have a breaking point. However, I think he's had some bad luck this year as much as anything. Shaqiri's injuries haven't helped, I don't really blame him for the Imbula fiasco either- he was a player the scouting team would have recommended, and if any of us had watched videos of him perform like he did for us against Chelsea etc then you'd think £18m was a steal. I mean, he was ace for us for 6 months, but there's clearly something wrong in his head. Bony's another one that's gone tits up that, on paper, really shouldn't have done. The signing that will make or break him is Berahino. He's chased him for that long, knew about all the off-field issues and alleged personality/attitude problems and hopefully has an idea about what he wants to do tactically to accommodate him. I want to see what happens next season after a full pre-season and the opportunity to sign other players for whatever new Berahino-based vision he's got (assuming there is a plan and he's not just winging it as we go along ) . If this fails and we're hovering in the lower reaches of the table come November time, I think that's when even I'd say that he's had a fair crack of the whip and things may need freshening up. Imbula has never been ace for six months mate. He played really well at Chelsea and scored a good goal at Bournemouth. That for me is it. He's been OK in a handful of other games but from very early on it was clear the defensive side of his game was non existent. Every one of the managers big money signings has not come off. Imbula, Shaqiri, Joselu.... 37 million down the pan. Joe Allen despite a mini purple patch of goal scoring is not the same guy who plays for Wales. The juries still out on Berahino as well although he's getting absolutely no service. Another player who Hughes has no idea how to get the best out of him. I've had enough. He needs to go. Nah, I'm not having that... he was like Yaya Toure on viagra for that initial period. I'd have probably married him after that match at Chelsea. He can fuck off now though. He's not even Kolo Toure with a lazy lob on now. |
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Post by philm87 on Apr 4, 2017 22:06:11 GMT
Dunno why I ever both posting on here.
It takes me about ten posts and half an hour arguing to attempt to say the same thing but somehow not saying it quite as well.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 4, 2017 22:21:39 GMT
I was quite pleased when I saw that we were lining up 3-4-3...we've always looked threatening with that formation, and we did again. For the first hour we were much the better side and should have been at least a couple of goals to the good. Arnie somehow managed to shin the ball when through on goal and we had a few other decent chances. Berahino was linking the play nicely and we had a few moves that were genuinely impressive in a game where decent football was admittedly thin on the ground. However, as soon as they took the lead- against the run of play- it was like a switch was flicked and we did NOTHING but aimlessly hoof the ball forward. This wasn't a deliberate tactic because Crouch was on- we were doing it for a good 10 minutes before he came off the bench. Somehow though it got worse, even more aimless, when the big man was on. From 60 minutes onwards we might as well have just packed up and fucked off home as there was simply no way that the two Burnley centre backs were going to get outdone by a big brainless ball into the box. What the shitting fuck Hughes was doing with his subs, only he knows, because Adam was doing his usual trick of fouling everything that moved in that last half-an-hour. How he remained on the pitch I have no idea. Not sure why Ramadan wasn't on to start with- possibly being rested or some other reason we don't know about- but not even bringing him on when we were desperate for creativity in the final third...Mental. As unbelievable as it might sound after we've just watched that abomination of a last half-hour, I'm still quite encouraged by that first half. I'd like to see us try that 3-4-3 again, maybe not against Liverpool, but against Hull with Arnie and Ramadan behind Berahino. Adam would never get near a starting XI again for me- he's one of the biggest culprits of hoofing it forward looking for a Hollywood pass. I don't undertstand the Twitter clamour for Imbula either- the man has proven that he's not interested every time he's got near the field this season. Allen alongside Cameron for me, with Affelay and Whelan as stand-ins. I'm pissed off tonight, we're all pissed off, but I'm not going to get into a slanging match with the usual suspects regarding the manager's future. The issues still clear for me- we get to the end of the season and give him the summer to rebuild. It's yet another game where we've failed to score. It's been clear for some time that we more likely to drift into the bottom half abyss than we were to finish anywhere near the cost-tails of the top 8. The performances on the whole have been abysmal all season. It needs more than a magic wand to fix the problems. His original vision was a more expansive and entertaining style. And it worked for a while too. We're back to clueless and one-dimensional dross again now though. I know we don't agree on this. You'd give him more time and given him a chance to rebuild and change. That's fair enough. I've seen enough though and wouldn't give a toss if he was gone tomorrow |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2017 23:39:48 GMT
But everything was fine?
And a few of us were knicker wetting.
Oh.
This shit has been 2 years in the making.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 4, 2017 23:52:26 GMT
Dunno why I ever both posting on here. It takes me about ten posts and half an hour arguing to attempt to say the same thing but somehow not saying it quite as well. No Phil, don't be like that. I enjoyed your erudite rejoinders over the weekend. It's just difficult to respond to folk chucking their toys in the air {out of the pram} that's all. I've not been tonight so don't wish to take the moral high ground, but did make sacrifices to watch it in the pub and spend more on booze on a tuesday than I normally would. I thought we created and tried enough to put them out of sight, it's football and for me one of those games that 'on another day' would have been very different. Arnie and Adam let us down finishing, but that's harsh because they're great players for us, Adam in particular had a great game apart from converting a shot. That's probably already beeen said... I don't know whether I can be arsed to trawl through the rest of it. KTF |
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 4, 2017 23:59:10 GMT
This has been a truly dull and disappointing season and one where we have gone backwards. Would another manager be able to light the spark and get us going in the right direction again? Can Hughes start getting the most out of his expensive team or build a better one?
This manager like the last one polarises opinion maybe he polarises opinion because the last one polarised opinion. It would be great to have a manager that we can ALL get behind, it seems a generation ago that we had that!
Maybe we are coming to the end of the polarisation years. The tide seems to be turning against polarisation manager 2 and could end on a sunny day in Southampton just as it did for polarisation manager 1.
BM
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 0:31:35 GMT
This has been a truly dull and disappointing season and one where we have gone backwards. Would another manager be able to light the spark and get us going in the right direction again? Can Hughes start getting the most out of his expensive team or build a better one? This manager like the last one polarises opinion maybe he polarises opinion because the last one polarised opinion. It would be great to have a manager that we can ALL get behind, it seems a generation ago that we had that! Maybe we are coming to the end of the polarisation years. The tide seems to be turning against polarisation manager 2 and could end on a sunny day in Southampton just as it did for polarisation manager 1. BM Lou was the last one that truly united the masses. |
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Post by wuzza on Apr 5, 2017 4:26:38 GMT
I believe in continuity at a club to give it a chance of success and I also thought Hughes and Co. given such an opportunity might flourish.
However having watched the mess that has developed in the past 18 months or so I am beginning to doubt the logic of letting the same people 'rebuild' who have been responsible for creating the problem in the first place.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 5, 2017 5:24:11 GMT
But everything was fine? And a few of us were knicker wetting. Oh. This shit has been 2 years in the making. Totally agree,Bayern. We needed a clear out but gave contract extensions instead. Not only that, but Hughes can't find a place for most of his own signings. He refuses to play Bony and Imbula no matter who the opposition are, and drops our most creative player against an ordinary side. I gave up when Crouch entered the fray. The players still seem to be trying, but they seem lost at the moment. I'm not sure Hughes can find them or the replacements needed in the summer. |
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Post by greyman on Apr 5, 2017 5:41:56 GMT
This has been a truly dull and disappointing season and one where we have gone backwards. Would another manager be able to light the spark and get us going in the right direction again? Can Hughes start getting the most out of his expensive team or build a better one? This manager like the last one polarises opinion maybe he polarises opinion because the last one polarised opinion. It would be great to have a manager that we can ALL get behind, it seems a generation ago that we had that! Maybe we are coming to the end of the polarisation years. The tide seems to be turning against polarisation manager 2 and could end on a sunny day in Southampton just as it did for polarisation manager 1. BM There are clearly still a few people who want Hughes to fail to prove themselves right about Pulis. So on that score alone, a new manager may be able to unite more people. Aside from that, Hughes seems to be digging his own grave and he's doing it in an amazingly short amount of time given where we were as a team at Christmas 2015. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 15:53:45 GMT
There is something about F--- me sideways, that always tickles me up. Thank you trouser for putting a smile on my face! Much appreciated.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 5, 2017 16:30:37 GMT
Could he possibly walk?. If Coates and the board only give him a limited budget and he thinks it can't push us on towards top 8 might that also see a parting of the ways?
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Post by redstriper on Apr 5, 2017 17:04:58 GMT
good summary OP.
his worst substitution brain fart since Leicester at home.
he still has my backing, but its hard not to be frustrated with this failure to change the game for the better every week.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 5, 2017 17:16:23 GMT
I don't see how anybody could say we were at any point the better team, or that any of the match was acceptable. We surrendered from the first whistle, and played pub league standard stuff from the first minute to the last. It was atrocious.
We played as if we were 8-0 down away at Real Madrid.
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Post by ratters on Apr 5, 2017 17:26:50 GMT
Along with stuff ive read posted by Philm, this is the most reasoned and accurate assessment of the game. It was our game to win and we were in no danger until they scored and then that was that.
for me anyone who didnt think we played well in that first hour is watching something different to me or expects far too much. As that is the most control weve had on an away game away in a while and the most in which we havent gone on to win. Shame Arnie put his clown shoes on first half.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 5, 2017 17:30:26 GMT
I was quite pleased when I saw that we were lining up 3-4-3...we've always looked threatening with that formation, and we did again. For the first hour we were much the better side and should have been at least a couple of goals to the good. Arnie somehow managed to shin the ball when through on goal and we had a few other decent chances. Berahino was linking the play nicely and we had a few moves that were genuinely impressive in a game where decent football was admittedly thin on the ground. However, as soon as they took the lead- against the run of play- it was like a switch was flicked and we did NOTHING but aimlessly hoof the ball forward. This wasn't a deliberate tactic because Crouch was on- we were doing it for a good 10 minutes before he came off the bench. Somehow though it got worse, even more aimless, when the big man was on. From 60 minutes onwards we might as well have just packed up and fucked off home as there was simply no way that the two Burnley centre backs were going to get outdone by a big brainless ball into the box. What the shitting fuck Hughes was doing with his subs, only he knows, because Adam was doing his usual trick of fouling everything that moved in that last half-an-hour. How he remained on the pitch I have no idea. Not sure why Ramadan wasn't on to start with- possibly being rested or some other reason we don't know about- but not even bringing him on when we were desperate for creativity in the final third...Mental. As unbelievable as it might sound after we've just watched that abomination of a last half-hour, I'm still quite encouraged by that first half. I'd like to see us try that 3-4-3 again, maybe not against Liverpool, but against Hull with Arnie and Ramadan behind Berahino. Adam would never get near a starting XI again for me- he's one of the biggest culprits of hoofing it forward looking for a Hollywood pass. I don't undertstand the Twitter clamour for Imbula either- the man has proven that he's not interested every time he's got near the field this season. Allen alongside Cameron for me, with Affelay and Whelan as stand-ins. I'm pissed off tonight, we're all pissed off, but I'm not going to get into a slanging match with the usual suspects regarding the manager's future. The issues still clear for me- we get to the end of the season and give him the summer to rebuild. How can you praise the opening hour so highly and slag Charlie Adam off so vigorously, TD? |
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 5, 2017 17:39:26 GMT
Just seen there goal we had 8 players in the area including grant , they had 4 and no one picked up Boyd , that's not down to Hughes that's down to shit pub side defending
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 5, 2017 17:44:37 GMT
I was quite pleased when I saw that we were lining up 3-4-3...we've always looked threatening with that formation, and we did again. For the first hour we were much the better side and should have been at least a couple of goals to the good. Arnie somehow managed to shin the ball when through on goal and we had a few other decent chances. Berahino was linking the play nicely and we had a few moves that were genuinely impressive in a game where decent football was admittedly thin on the ground. However, as soon as they took the lead- against the run of play- it was like a switch was flicked and we did NOTHING but aimlessly hoof the ball forward. This wasn't a deliberate tactic because Crouch was on- we were doing it for a good 10 minutes before he came off the bench. Somehow though it got worse, even more aimless, when the big man was on. From 60 minutes onwards we might as well have just packed up and fucked off home as there was simply no way that the two Burnley centre backs were going to get outdone by a big brainless ball into the box. What the shitting fuck Hughes was doing with his subs, only he knows, because Adam was doing his usual trick of fouling everything that moved in that last half-an-hour. How he remained on the pitch I have no idea. Not sure why Ramadan wasn't on to start with- possibly being rested or some other reason we don't know about- but not even bringing him on when we were desperate for creativity in the final third...Mental. As unbelievable as it might sound after we've just watched that abomination of a last half-hour, I'm still quite encouraged by that first half. I'd like to see us try that 3-4-3 again, maybe not against Liverpool, but against Hull with Arnie and Ramadan behind Berahino. Adam would never get near a starting XI again for me- he's one of the biggest culprits of hoofing it forward looking for a Hollywood pass. I don't undertstand the Twitter clamour for Imbula either- the man has proven that he's not interested every time he's got near the field this season. Allen alongside Cameron for me, with Affelay and Whelan as stand-ins. I'm pissed off tonight, we're all pissed off, but I'm not going to get into a slanging match with the usual suspects regarding the manager's future. The issues still clear for me- we get to the end of the season and give him the summer to rebuild. How can you praise the opening hour so highly and slag Charlie Adam off so vigorously, TD? He just frustrates me so much. He can be a good player at times- driving forward and at the heart of everything we're doing creatively, but at others he's just a complete liability. I'm getting fed up of the constant silly fouls and him always looking to knock some spectacular ball in that rarely comes off. To me he's a big part of the 'hoof it to Crouch' approach that we need to move away from now. Unfortunately it's a mode we don't seem to be able to get out of, even when there's a 5 foot 10 bloke up front for us. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 17:47:51 GMT
How can you praise the opening hour so highly and slag Charlie Adam off so vigorously, TD? He just frustrates me so much. He can be a good player at times- driving forward and at the heart of everything we're doing creatively, but at others he's just a complete liability. I'm getting fed up of the constant silly fouls and him always looking to knock some spectacular ball in that rarely comes off. To me he's a big part of the 'hoof it to Crouch' approach that we need to move away from now. Unfortunately it's a mode we don't seem to be able to get out of, even when there's a 5 foot 10 bloke up front for us. Ain't that down to the manager though? |
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Post by senojbor on Apr 5, 2017 18:05:41 GMT
This has been a truly dull and disappointing season and one where we have gone backwards. Would another manager be able to light the spark and get us going in the right direction again? Can Hughes start getting the most out of his expensive team or build a better one? This manager like the last one polarises opinion maybe he polarises opinion because the last one polarised opinion. It would be great to have a manager that we can ALL get behind, it seems a generation ago that we had that! Maybe we are coming to the end of the polarisation years. The tide seems to be turning against polarisation manager 2 and could end on a sunny day in Southampton just as it did for polarisation manager 1. BM Lou was the last one that truly united the masses. Nah, Pulis did in his second spell, the promotion season and and few after. Trouble is his critics dug themselves in a hole and were proved wrong time and time again. They didn't like it and they got their way in the end. Strange isn't it that after nearly four seasons Hughes still has to pick players from the Pulis era and has to come to terms that his very expensive signings are not deemed good enough to get a game. |
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) . If this fails and we're hovering in the lower reaches of the table come November time, I think that's when even I'd say that he's had a fair crack of the whip and things may need freshening up. 
