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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 19, 2017 13:02:41 GMT
Jack will have to work very hard to get past Lee and may well have a long wait for his chance.
Lee Grant has been one of our best players this season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 13:03:57 GMT
Jack will have to work very hard to get past Lee and may well have a long wait for his chance. Lee Grant has been one of our best players this season. Do people actually believe this?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 19, 2017 13:06:41 GMT
Jack will have to work very hard to get past Lee and may well have a long wait for his chance. Lee Grant has been one of our best players this season. Do people actually believe this? Believe it? It's just reality.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 13:08:44 GMT
Do people actually believe this? Believe it? It's just reality. When he's fully fit Butland should walk in the side. Butland is streets ahead of Grant and to have a keeper like Butland kicking his heels because of Lee Grant would be the daftest thing Hughes has done yet. The gulf in class is massive.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 19, 2017 13:09:56 GMT
Believe it? It's just reality. When he's fully fit Butland should walk in the side. Butland is streets ahead of Grant and to have a keeper like Butland kicking his heels because of Lee Grant would be the daftest thing Hughes has done yet. The gulf in class is massive. Butland will undoubtedly be our number 1. That's not the point people are making.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 13:11:28 GMT
When he's fully fit Butland should walk in the side. Butland is streets ahead of Grant and to have a keeper like Butland kicking his heels because of Lee Grant would be the daftest thing Hughes has done yet. The gulf in class is massive. Butland will undoubtedly be our number 1. That's not the point people are making. It was the point of the post I quoted. Like I said when he's fully fit, he walks in the side. People are overrating Grant massively.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 13:12:13 GMT
If Sobhi did not turn sideways it would have hit him - that bit was not the keepers fault There must have been enough of the goal on show for him to even attempt it though. It was appalling goalkeeping. There's always enough of the goal on show to attempt something from a free-kick. Look at the size of your average goalie, then look at the size of the goals. If keepers could cover the whole of the goal there'd be no goals scored from free-kicks. There's always a gap somewhere. The skill is in finding it as precisely as Willian did.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 19, 2017 13:13:05 GMT
Butland will undoubtedly be our number 1. That's not the point people are making. It was the point of the post I quoted. Like I said when he's fully fit, he walks in the side. People are overrating Grant massively. How can you overrate our best player of the season? If we're saying he isn't good enough then we may as well bin off the whole squad. He's earned us loads of points this season. He's been outstanding. Hughes knows this and won't rush Butland back on that basis.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 13:24:48 GMT
There must have been enough of the goal on show for him to even attempt it though. It was appalling goalkeeping. There's always enough of the goal on show to attempt something from a free-kick. Look at the size of your average goalie, then look at the size of the goals. If keepers could cover the whole of the goal there'd be no goals scored from free-kicks. There's always a gap somewhere. The skill is in finding it as precisely as Willian did. The whole point of the wall there is to make them shoot on the keeper side by showing only the very top of that side of the goal. He might as well not had a wall and even with Ramadan being crap there was clearly enough of that side of the goal to be seen when there should be virtually none.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 13:25:42 GMT
It was the point of the post I quoted. Like I said when he's fully fit, he walks in the side. People are overrating Grant massively. How can you overrate our best player of the season? If we're saying he isn't good enough then we may as well bin off the whole squad. He's earned us loads of points this season. He's been outstanding. Hughes knows this and won't rush Butland back on that basis. Indi? Like I've said, I think overall I'd like him to be third choice.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 19, 2017 13:26:21 GMT
How can you overrate our best player of the season? If we're saying he isn't good enough then we may as well bin off the whole squad. He's earned us loads of points this season. He's been outstanding. Hughes knows this and won't rush Butland back on that basis. Indi? Like I've said, I think overall I'd like him to be third choice. You're just being silly now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 13:48:18 GMT
There's always enough of the goal on show to attempt something from a free-kick. Look at the size of your average goalie, then look at the size of the goals. If keepers could cover the whole of the goal there'd be no goals scored from free-kicks. There's always a gap somewhere. The skill is in finding it as precisely as Willian did. The whole point of the wall there is to make them shoot on the keeper side by showing only the very top of that side of the goal. He might as well not had a wall and even with Ramadan being crap there was clearly enough of that side of the goal to be seen when there should be virtually none. Wherever the keeper stands there'll be a space to aim at. It then becomes a competition between how accurately the taker can place the ball and how quickly the keeper can make up the ground. Willian won. Grant's not faultless, but appalling goalkeeping? No. It was a perfectly placed free-kick.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 13:53:14 GMT
The whole point of the wall there is to make them shoot on the keeper side by showing only the very top of that side of the goal. He might as well not had a wall and even with Ramadan being crap there was clearly enough of that side of the goal to be seen when there should be virtually none. Wherever the keeper stands there'll be a space to aim at. It then becomes a competition between how accurately the taker can place the ball and how quickly the keeper can make up the ground. Willian won. Grant's not faultless, but appalling goalkeeping? No. It was a perfectly placed free-kick. He shouldn't have space to score there. That's what the wall is there to do from that angle. To cover the near post. If it doesn't, it's appalling goalkeeping. To then get two hands to it and palm it in the back of the net makes it even more appalling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 14:02:11 GMT
Wherever the keeper stands there'll be a space to aim at. It then becomes a competition between how accurately the taker can place the ball and how quickly the keeper can make up the ground. Willian won. Grant's not faultless, but appalling goalkeeping? No. It was a perfectly placed free-kick. He shouldn't have space to score there. That's what the wall is there to do from that angle. To cover the near post. If it doesn't, it's appalling goalkeeping. To then get two hands to it and palm it in the back of the net makes it even more appalling. And if he'd been covering the space you say shouldn't have been there, he'd have left a gap elsewhere for Willian to try to exploit. I'll leave it there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 14:09:57 GMT
He shouldn't have space to score there. That's what the wall is there to do from that angle. To cover the near post. If it doesn't, it's appalling goalkeeping. To then get two hands to it and palm it in the back of the net makes it even more appalling. And if he'd been covering the space you say shouldn't have been there, he'd have left a gap elsewhere for Willian to try to exploit. I'll leave it there. No. Yo clearly have no idea how walls and goalkeeping works. The wall on a free kick there is to cover the near post so the keeper doesn't have to. It didn't do that. That's the keepers fault and the players in the wall. Maybe the Rooney free kick was playing on his mind? That went in his side. Which again shouldn't really be happening. Although that was an outstanding free kick. Willians wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 14:15:13 GMT
It was poor goalkeeping no arguments there. But to say Grant should be 3rd choice based on his performances this season is just stupidity....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 14:20:18 GMT
It was poor goalkeeping no arguments there. But to say Grant should be 3rd choice based on his performances this season is just stupidity.... Why? He'd have been lucky to be third choice in most of our seasons in the Premier League and that's the level we should aspire to. He's decent enough but I still don't overly trust him and I'd like to think we can get better back up. We should have better back up.
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 19, 2017 14:22:48 GMT
I remember vividly some* had some sort of campaign against Butland when he first started playing.
*Not some just Bayern really.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 14:24:06 GMT
It was poor goalkeeping no arguments there. But to say Grant should be 3rd choice based on his performances this season is just stupidity.... Why? He'd have been lucky to be third choice in most of our seasons in the Premier League and that's the level we should aspire to. He's decent enough but I still don't overly trust him and I'd like to think we can better back up. We should have better back up. Because you're basing it on his career history (which is solid by the way apart from a poor spell at the end of his Derby career when he actually played through injury) and not his performances in the red and white of Stoke City. So who do you think you're going to get as 2nd choice that's better than Grant yet happy to sit on the bench all season when Butland is fit? Grant is as perfect a number two for Butland as we could get, buy a young up and coming goalkeeper for the future and farm him straight out on loan.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 14:33:40 GMT
Why? He'd have been lucky to be third choice in most of our seasons in the Premier League and that's the level we should aspire to. He's decent enough but I still don't overly trust him and I'd like to think we can better back up. We should have better back up. Because you're basing it on his career history (which is solid by the way apart from a poor spell at the end of his Derby career when he actually played through injury) and not his performances in the red and white of Stoke City. So who do you think you're going to get as 2nd choice that's better than Grant yet happy to sit on the bench all season when Butland is fit? Grant is as perfect a number two for Butland as we could get, buy a young up and coming goalkeeper for the future and farm him straight out on loan..... His performances for us have been a lot of saves he should make, a few outstanding displays and lots of little iffy things that worry. His command of his area is poor and he doesn't come off his line quick enough. His kicking is also piss poor. He's decent enough but he isn't this messiah he's painted as and the outcry over him not being selected for England was pathetic. Jordan Pickford when they're relegated! But there's just something I don't trust about him long term.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 14:35:05 GMT
Forgot about the Rooney free kick... poor as well.
He's a good shot stopper, but so are 99.9% of top flight goal keepers. There's a reason why Stoke are his first PL club in 34 years.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Mar 19, 2017 14:36:48 GMT
Howler from Pieters (expected, he's poor) but Grant could of shouted for him to leave it. No Chelsea player in sight, piss weak header would of dribbled into his arms. He's all over the place when the ball comes across his area. The first goal is a catastrophic error. Bollocks, the first goal was fucking difficult to deal with, bounced in front of him and people running across his eyeline, very few players in the league could've done that Second one was a tired header by pieters, who by the way is poor going forward but defensively is sound Thrifty Grant has been nothing short of sensational since he's come in
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 14:37:56 GMT
Forgot about the Rooney free kick... poor as well. He's a good shot stopper, but do are 99.9% of top flight goal keepers. There's a reason why Stoke are his first PL club in 34 years. And people have forgotten this because of Given and Haugaard imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 14:39:12 GMT
Because you're basing it on his career history (which is solid by the way apart from a poor spell at the end of his Derby career when he actually played through injury) and not his performances in the red and white of Stoke City. So who do you think you're going to get as 2nd choice that's better than Grant yet happy to sit on the bench all season when Butland is fit? Grant is as perfect a number two for Butland as we could get, buy a young up and coming goalkeeper for the future and farm him straight out on loan..... His performances for us have been a lot of saves he should make, a few outstanding displays and lots of little iffy things that worry. His command of his area is poor and he doesn't come off his line quick enough. His kicking is also piss poor. He's decent enough but he isn't this messiah he's painted as and the outcry over him not being selected for England was pathetic. Jordan Pickford when they're relegated! But there's just something I don't trust about him long term. Pickford who's destined for big things? Of course he will. Come on name names?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 14:39:23 GMT
Howler from Pieters (expected, he's poor) but Grant could of shouted for him to leave it. No Chelsea player in sight, piss weak header would of dribbled into his arms. He's all over the place when the ball comes across his area. The first goal is a catastrophic error. Bollocks, the first goal was fucking difficult to deal with, bounced in front of him and people running across his eyeline, very few players in the league could've done that Second one was a tired header by pieters, who by the way is poor going forward but defensively is sound Thrifty Grant has been nothing short of sensational since he's come in 1. Grant had plenty of time to see the free kick, there was no one in front of him. He got to it then pushed it in with two hands. CATASTROPHIC keeping. 2. It hit Pieters foot not head. A commanding keeper would have gone through him and claimed the ball. I suggest you watch the game, not spout what you want to see.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Mar 19, 2017 14:41:22 GMT
Bollocks, the first goal was fucking difficult to deal with, bounced in front of him and people running across his eyeline, very few players in the league could've done that Second one was a tired header by pieters, who by the way is poor going forward but defensively is sound Thrifty Grant has been nothing short of sensational since he's come in 1. Grant had plenty of time to see the free kick, there was no one in front of him. He got to it then pushed it in with two hands. CATASTROPHIC keeping. 2. It hit Pieters foot not head. A commanding keeper would have gone through him and claimed the ball. I suggest you watch the game, not spout what you want to see. I did, I saw a keeper beaten by a good free kick and a defender make one mistake after a solid game, these players are human not fucking robots You however seem to see whatever you want to to slag off the club
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 14:41:59 GMT
Bollocks, the first goal was fucking difficult to deal with, bounced in front of him and people running across his eyeline, very few players in the league could've done that Second one was a tired header by pieters, who by the way is poor going forward but defensively is sound Thrifty Grant has been nothing short of sensational since he's come in 1. Grant had plenty of time to see the free kick, there was no one in front of him. He got to it then pushed it in with two hands. CATASTROPHIC keeping. 2. It hit Pieters foot not head. A commanding keeper would have gone through him and claimed the ball. I suggest you watch the game, not spout what you want to see. By catastrophic you mean he made a mistake. Correct Your second point I will keep repeating is unbelievably harsh, Pieters makes the connection he should have and there's no issue.....
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Mar 19, 2017 14:44:15 GMT
1. Grant had plenty of time to see the free kick, there was no one in front of him. He got to it then pushed it in with two hands. CATASTROPHIC keeping. 2. It hit Pieters foot not head. A commanding keeper would have gone through him and claimed the ball. I suggest you watch the game, not spout what you want to see. By catastrophic you mean he made a mistake. Correct Your second point I will keep repeating is unbelievably harsh, Pieters makes the connection he should have and there's no issue..... Il Grant you he probably should have made a save but it was a bloody good free kick
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 14:45:40 GMT
1. Grant had plenty of time to see the free kick, there was no one in front of him. He got to it then pushed it in with two hands. CATASTROPHIC keeping. 2. It hit Pieters foot not head. A commanding keeper would have gone through him and claimed the ball. I suggest you watch the game, not spout what you want to see. By catastrophic you mean he made a mistake. Correct Your second point I will keep repeating is unbelievably harsh, Pieters makes the connection he should have and there's no issue..... Catastrophic - a direct cause of a goal. Mistakes are made all over the pitch but if a keeper makes one it's a goal. That's the harsh reality for a keeper. I think he could of done a lot better on the second but you are right, if Pieters had done his job it wouldn't have been an issue.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 14:47:11 GMT
1. Grant had plenty of time to see the free kick, there was no one in front of him. He got to it then pushed it in with two hands. CATASTROPHIC keeping. 2. It hit Pieters foot not head. A commanding keeper would have gone through him and claimed the ball. I suggest you watch the game, not spout what you want to see. I did, I saw a keeper beaten by a good free kick and a defender make one mistake after a solid game, these players are human not fucking robots You however seem to see whatever you want to to slag off the club Pieters made plenty of mistakes all game. He's badly off form mainly because his place is 100% nailed on. Too complacent IMHO.
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