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Post by salopstick on Dec 18, 2019 20:46:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 21:03:14 GMT
You ignore, take for granted,sneer at and ridicule the electorate at your peril. He still doesn’t get it. The working class are to be respected and looked after. Not a pet project for liberals who think they know better. You don’t have to speak slowly to blind people. They can still hear Donald Trump does nothing for the working class. He's increasing profits for the richest whilst stripping back the rights of workers systematically.
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Post by algor on Dec 18, 2019 21:24:21 GMT
He still doesn’t get it. The working class are to be respected and looked after. Not a pet project for liberals who think they know better. You don’t have to speak slowly to blind people. They can still hear Donald Trump does nothing for the working class. He's increasing profits for the richest whilst stripping back the rights of workers systematically. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 22:03:03 GMT
Donald Trump does nothing for the working class. He's increasing profits for the richest whilst stripping back the rights of workers systematically. View AttachmentThat shows a lot of bad things to me. Increase in coal miners, for example, may seem good, but that industry is dying, and it won't be long until they are again out of a job.
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Post by algor on Dec 18, 2019 22:06:30 GMT
That shows a lot of bad things to me. Increase in coal miners, for example, may seem good, but that industry is dying, and it won't be long until they are again out of a job. Oh I see, they are the wrong type of working class. Let me know what you consider to be the right type of working class and I will have a look into it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 22:11:55 GMT
That shows a lot of bad things to me. Increase in coal miners, for example, may seem good, but that industry is dying, and it won't be long until they are again out of a job. Oh I see, they are the wrong type of working class. Let me know what you consider to be the right type of working class and I will have a look into it. What? You've quoted a picture with some good numbers (e.g. increasing jobs) and some bad ones (decreasing number of people with insurance and increased CO2 emissions). I think he's stripping rights from working people whilst spinning it as other things, and making promises he cannot keep.
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Post by Gods on Dec 18, 2019 22:22:04 GMT
There seems to be a ground swell of opinion among some Democrats that the best thing to do is to not submit the impeachment papers to the Senate.
So this way it is on his record but if you put the impeachment forward to a sham trial in the Senate it will enable Trump to say he was cleared.
Sound crazy, but these are crazy times.
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 18, 2019 22:23:42 GMT
If he gets impeached it's his own fault. He has abused his power to try and get one up on an opponent in the upcoming election. He got caught so he should suck it up and stop complaining. If the boot was on the other foot they would be calling for the president to be impeached, that's how it should be.
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Post by algor on Dec 18, 2019 22:41:39 GMT
Oh I see, they are the wrong type of working class. Let me know what you consider to be the right type of working class and I will have a look into it. What? You've quoted a picture with some good numbers (e.g. increasing jobs) and some bad ones (decreasing number of people with insurance and increased CO2 emissions). I think he's stripping rights from working people whilst spinning it as other things, and making promises he cannot keep. You think he is stripping rights from working people or you can prove he is? The facts don't say that to be honest. I agree that the CO2 emissions are not good but he wasn't elected as president of the world, he was elected the president of the USA on a working class ticket that he really has delivered on! I don't like the guy at all, he is a dick but you can't say he isn't standing up for the USA on trade or that he isn't creating employment for the working class. Love him or hate him, it doesn't really matter as neither you or I have any say in it. He has done what he said would for the American working class, is that good for the rest of world? No! But we are not the ones voting for him.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Dec 18, 2019 22:55:20 GMT
Donald Trump does nothing for the working class. He's increasing profits for the richest whilst stripping back the rights of workers systematically. We've had a bull market since 2011 and unemployment has been going down since 2009. So any statistics related to the stock market or job production really have nothing to do with Trump. He's just riding Obama's wave. The one field those numbers mention, coal, has lost a lot of jobs in West Virginia recently even with a bail out from Trump. That industry probably won't exist here within 10 years, he just uses it as a blue collar worker ad campaign.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 23:02:28 GMT
What? You've quoted a picture with some good numbers (e.g. increasing jobs) and some bad ones (decreasing number of people with insurance and increased CO2 emissions). I think he's stripping rights from working people whilst spinning it as other things, and making promises he cannot keep. You think he is stripping rights from working people or you can prove he is? The facts don't say that to be honest. I agree that the CO2 emissions are not good but he wasn't elected as president of the world, he was elected the president of the USA on a working class ticket that he really has delivered on! I don't like the guy at all, he is a dick but you can't say he isn't standing up for the USA on trade or that he isn't creating employment for the working class. Love him or hate him, it doesn't really matter as neither you or I have any say in it. He has done what he said would for the American working class, is that good for the rest of world? No! But we are not the ones voting for him. I think he is, because that's what I've seen of his policies. It doesn't matter, you're right, but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on him.
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Post by felonious on Dec 19, 2019 6:58:53 GMT
He's the new cause célèbre for the left wing and this is a sham impeachment from the American left. It's such a shame that the people who get excitable about Trump don't seem to get so enraged about what the Chinese president is getting up to. Edit: ....or the Indian government.... can you imagine the furore if this was Trump
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 19, 2019 7:42:44 GMT
He's the new cause célèbre for the left wing and this is a sham impeachment from the American left. It's such a shame that the people who get excitable about Trump don't seem to get so enraged about what the Chinese president is getting up to. Edit: ....or the Indian government.... can you imagine the furore if this was Trump Or the British government. Can you imagine if Windrush was in the US?
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Post by zerps on Dec 19, 2019 7:52:54 GMT
We've had a bull market since 2011 and unemployment has been going down since 2009. So any statistics related to the stock market or job production really have nothing to do with Trump. He's just riding Obama's wave. The one field those numbers mention, coal, has lost a lot of jobs in West Virginia recently even with a bail out from Trump. That industry probably won't exist here within 10 years, he just uses it as a blue collar worker ad campaign. Massive global crash incoming whatever happens. Global debt at an all time high. This decade is the first decade without a us recession since the mid 1800’s.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 19, 2019 8:11:09 GMT
Congratulations to the Democratic Party.
Enjoy your second term Don
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 19, 2019 8:21:39 GMT
Congratulations to the Democratic Party. Enjoy your second term Don He’s going to get cross examined in the Senate. That in itself will be interesting & the World will see...
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 19, 2019 8:24:29 GMT
Never gets credit for a truly inspirational comb over.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 19, 2019 8:27:29 GMT
Congratulations to the Democratic Party. Enjoy your second term Don He’s going to get cross examined in the Senate. That in itself will be interesting & the World will see... Yep. Joe Biden will be shitting it
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 19, 2019 8:35:47 GMT
Congratulations to the Democratic Party. Enjoy your second term Don You might have thought, observing how Parliament’s repeated humiliations of Boris Johnson worked out, they may have thought twice how far to take this. I think though, they have forgotten that the primary purpose of politics is to win elections not to embarrass your opposition.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 19, 2019 8:53:20 GMT
Difficult to see what the end game is for the Democrats. He's almost certainly abused his position, but it's widely recognised there's no chance of the Senate voting against him due to party politics.
There's been reasons to open impeachment proceedings for a while, but they seem reluctant to do it until the time is right. Yet they've done when the time didn't appear to be right.
I can only think that they hope when Trump is put in front of the Senate he will completely incriminate himself. Which is possible, but a big risk.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 19, 2019 9:46:15 GMT
Difficult to see what the end game is for the Democrats. He's almost certainly abused his position, but it's widely recognised there's no chance of the Senate voting against him due to party politics. There's been reasons to open impeachment proceedings for a while, but they seem reluctant to do it until the time is right. Yet they've done when the time didn't appear to be right. I can only think that they hope when Trump is put in front of the Senate he will completely incriminate himself. Which is possible, but a big risk. They have been looking to impeach him from day 1 Democracy is not about looking to overturn elections as soon as you lost As much as an idiot he appears to be, he is no better or worse than the last few presidents. Trump has a huge electoral college margin. This won’t end well for the democrats. I think people the world over are fed up with this sort of politics hence the move to populism. The left continue to feed it
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Post by serpico on Dec 19, 2019 9:49:24 GMT
Trump up in the polls, as it stands he beats all the top democratic party contenders, Trump is probably cheering the democrats on privately, this is absolutely perfect for his narrative, even if he's guilty i doubt most americans actually care, they will just see it as the democrats trying to get him on a technicality for the sake of attacking him.
a win for 'Big Orange' is coming in 2020, the democrats cant help themselves, they think they're destroying him but the more they attack HIM, the stronger he gets.
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Post by yeokel on Dec 19, 2019 10:15:09 GMT
Congratulations to the Democratic Party. Enjoy your second term Don You might have thought, observing how Parliament’s repeated humiliations of Boris Johnson worked out, they may have thought twice how far to take this. I think though, they have forgotten that the primary purpose of politics is to win elections not to embarrass your opposition. Isn’t the primary purpose of politics to improve ‘the lot’ of the people? I know you can’t do that without elections, but there’s no point in standing unless your aim is to make things better. Or, in these days of career politicians, is that an old fashioned, out-of-touch idea?
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 19, 2019 10:16:42 GMT
Of the three presidents who have been impeached how many were convicted? answer is none and it will remain none, complete waste of time and money.
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Post by yeokel on Dec 19, 2019 10:22:08 GMT
Difficult to see what the end game is for the Democrats. He's almost certainly abused his position, but it's widely recognised there's no chance of the Senate voting against him due to party politics. There's been reasons to open impeachment proceedings for a while, but they seem reluctant to do it until the time is right. Yet they've done when the time didn't appear to be right. I can only think that they hope when Trump is put in front of the Senate he will completely incriminate himself. Which is possible, but a big risk. They have been looking to impeach him from day 1 Democracy is not about looking to overturn elections as soon as you lost As much as an idiot he appears to be, he is no better or worse than the last few presidents. Trump has a huge electoral college margin. This won’t end well for the democrats. I think people the world over are fed up with this sort of politics hence the move to populism. The left continue to feed it " Democracy is not about looking to overturn elections as soon as you lost" Are you sure? " As much as an idiot he appears to be, he is no better or worse than the last few presidents" He seems to be on a different scale of idiocy to me. His brain seems to have stopped evolving when he was about eight years old. The man is an embarrassment to human kind adulthood in my opinion. Although I agree with everyone else that the whole charade is just a pointless game of politics.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 19, 2019 10:36:06 GMT
Trump up in the polls, as it stands he beats all the top democratic party contenders, Trump is probably cheering the democrats on privately, this is absolutely perfect for his narrative, even if he's guilty i doubt most americans actually care, they will just see it as the democrats trying to get him on a technicality for the sake of attacking him. a win for 'Big Orange' is coming in 2020, the democrats cant help themselves, they think they're destroying him but the more they attack HIM, the stronger he gets. In the polls he loses (at least in %age terms) quite handsomely to Biden and Sanders, and also to Warren and Buttigieg with a far smaller margain. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2020_United_States_presidential_electionThat doesn't mean he will lose of course - there's a long way to go, polls are not always accurate, and winning the most votes doesn't mean winning the election in the US. However, it does mean he is not beating all top Democratic candidates in the polls.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Dec 19, 2019 11:43:20 GMT
We've had a bull market since 2011 and unemployment has been going down since 2009. So any statistics related to the stock market or job production really have nothing to do with Trump. He's just riding Obama's wave. The one field those numbers mention, coal, has lost a lot of jobs in West Virginia recently even with a bail out from Trump. That industry probably won't exist here within 10 years, he just uses it as a blue collar worker ad campaign. "Obama's wave"? What wave is that then? The wave that began with most devastating stock market crash since 1929 that wiped trillions of dollars off property prices, businesses, and personal net worth. Technically, the start of the bull market was 2013 - when the DOW, SP500, and Nasdaq exceeded their former peaks. Trump has abolished the personal mandate for those who have no health insurance, saving millions of poorer people thousands of dollars a year. Yes, Obama punished those who couldn't afford insurance. A true socialist. Obama's wave led to the imprisonment of more black Americans than any other president in history. How ironic. What about the tax cuts last year? And the huge increase in the standard allowance? Ordinary people are thousands of dollars better off thanks to Trump. Yes, the rich always get richer no matter who is in power. Trump is a chronic cheat and climate change denier. But don't cherry pick the points to bolster your political opinion.
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Post by serpico on Dec 19, 2019 13:16:35 GMT
I think trumps biggest problem could be trump fatigue syndrome, people are getting sick of the whole circus, he’s all encompassing, it’s trump all day, every day in the US.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 19, 2019 16:15:56 GMT
You might have thought, observing how Parliament’s repeated humiliations of Boris Johnson worked out, they may have thought twice how far to take this. I think though, they have forgotten that the primary purpose of politics is to win elections not to embarrass your opposition. Isn’t the primary purpose of politics to improve ‘the lot’ of the people? I know you can’t do that without elections, but there’s no point in standing unless your aim is to make things better. Or, in these days of career politicians, is that an old fashioned, out-of-touch idea? Yeah - you are, of course, right. That applies to all politicians. They genuinely believe what they propose does make society better. But it’s a bit shit if you if you don’t get to see your ideas put into practice and even worse see ideas you think are bad becoming reality. So, in practical terms, winning is what it is all about. Something Blair understood. Although, maybe that is all he understood.
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Post by serpico on Dec 19, 2019 19:11:45 GMT
some of these politicians over the pond are staying in the game for far too long, pelosi has clearly had tons of botox and plastic surgery done, her mind is also clearly addled, she can barely start a sentence let alone finish one, she's just garbling nonsense.
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