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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 15:13:27 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 2, 2017 15:21:23 GMT
Written off? People are just saying he isn't an attacking midfielder, which he isn't! Tongue in cheek, mate, but couldn't find a winky thing on my phone. I'd like us to persevere with Imbula, and as a previous poster said, last night was crying out for him. Me too but I think he needs a hell of a lot of work.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 2, 2017 15:28:55 GMT
Why not ? Players elsewhere have not " hit it off " at one club but still hold their fee Schneidelin and Depay are two off the top of my head If it was only one maybe but Porto who don't have a bad reputation in bringing players through gave up on him aswell. Poor signing by Mark and his team, he failed to make a significant impact at Porto in a pretty shit league why anyone deemed him good enough to spend £18m on is insane. The fact he did not start him again last night just about confirms he has no faith in him, the Palacios signing was shit but this tops it.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 2, 2017 15:40:42 GMT
Ferrari with a robin engine in , is this lad palacios love child
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Feb 2, 2017 15:44:06 GMT
I like imbula, and really would like to see him next to a younger more physically gifted version of Glenn Whelan, that way he would have someone covering his ass when he makes a long run and the other team counters.
His problem is he lacks the aggression necessary for playing at this level, which severely limits his ability to defend. His skill in terms of dribbling and passing are fantastic, and if he could match the tenacity and defensive awareness of players like cameron and adam (who both have their flaws but are miles ahead of imbula) we'd have a player worth the fee we paid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 15:48:39 GMT
There's a lightbulb that's just not turning on upstairs for some reason. Playing to his maximum, Imbula is one of the best midfielders in the league, the trouble with him his he constantly looks like a spaced out stoner on the pitch, watching the world go by. It's clearly not an ability issue, and I don't think it's a coaching issue as it's clear we've tried everything with him, it's on Gianelli this one is, he needs to shake himself out of the funk he's in or his career will have hit its peak here, which for a player of his ability would be very sad indeed. Exactly what I think. Just hope it clicks for him! Tbf if he got his act together, our midfield would have plenty of variation. We're just missing that colossus in midfield who can hold off others and drive forward at pace. Gilbert can be that player!
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 2, 2017 15:49:26 GMT
I like imbula, and really would like to see him next to a younger more physically gifted version of Glenn Whelan, that way he would have someone covering his ass when he makes a long run and the other team counters. His problem is he lacks the aggression necessary for playing at this level, which severely limits his ability to defend. His skill in terms of dribbling and passing are fantastic, and if he could match the tenacity and defensive awareness of players like cameron and adam (who both have their flaws but are miles ahead of imbula) we'd have a player worth the fee we paid. If my aunty had a penis she would be my uncle.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 2, 2017 15:58:43 GMT
Can't really say we weren't warned can we, Porto paid 20m for him and gave him a five-year contract, and then six months later were ready to let him leave... should have been some alarm bells ringing then really. They must have been pissing themselves when we came along to be honest.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 2, 2017 16:03:23 GMT
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Feb 2, 2017 16:09:50 GMT
I like imbula, and really would like to see him next to a younger more physically gifted version of Glenn Whelan, that way he would have someone covering his ass when he makes a long run and the other team counters. His problem is he lacks the aggression necessary for playing at this level, which severely limits his ability to defend. His skill in terms of dribbling and passing are fantastic, and if he could match the tenacity and defensive awareness of players like cameron and adam (who both have their flaws but are miles ahead of imbula) we'd have a player worth the fee we paid. If my aunty had a penis she would be my uncle. trans rights yo. Gender is fluid, and sex can change.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 2, 2017 16:11:59 GMT
So is he essentially suggesting that they were prepared to pay a loan fee of 1.75 million euros with an agreed fee of 10 million euros at the end of it if they wanted to keep him but then we upped the final fee from 10 to 15 million euros?
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 2, 2017 16:13:27 GMT
Italian is not my strong point either! I think he is saying they agreed a loan deal costing 1,750,000 Euros until the summer, but we tried to either change it to a permanent deal at 15 million Euros, or loan with view to permanent deal at that price in the summer. The second quote suggests that they may have been prepared to accept a loan with view to buy at 10m.
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 2, 2017 16:14:50 GMT
So is he essentially suggesting that they were prepared to pay a loan fee of 1.75 million euros with an agreed fee of 10 million euros at the end of it if they wanted to keep him but then we upped the final fee from 10 to 15 million euros?
Paul, my reading too! I'd have taken that personally, after his troubled time here.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 2, 2017 16:25:13 GMT
I like imbula, and really would like to see him next to a younger more physically gifted version of Glenn Whelan, that way he would have someone covering his ass when he makes a long run and the other team counters. His problem is he lacks the aggression necessary for playing at this level, which severely limits his ability to defend. His skill in terms of dribbling and passing are fantastic, and if he could match the tenacity and defensive awareness of players like cameron and adam (who both have their flaws but are miles ahead of imbula) we'd have a player worth the fee we paid.
I think this is right at the heart of all the issues that Hughes has got/had in midfield and why he's ultimately been forced to chop and change it so often over the last 12 months.
Until this issue is addressed, I think he's just going to go round and round in circles with his current crop of players.
I've said before, it's like trying to bake a cake without all the right ingredients but rather than going out and buying what is actually required, you just keep swapping the order of the recipe around.
If he had had an absolute beast of a DCM available, I'm certain we would have seen, regular successful performances from a midfield lining up as a 4-3-3
-----------DCM----------- ----Allen-------Imbula---
or as a 4-2-3-1
------Allen----DCM------- ---------Bojan------------
You can afford to have a player in your three who doesn't have to be concerned about winning the ball back, if you have absolute faith in the other two, Hughes (understandably) doesn't have this faith currently and hence we end up having to have all three players in there having to be able to put a tackle in.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Feb 2, 2017 16:31:48 GMT
I like imbula, and really would like to see him next to a younger more physically gifted version of Glenn Whelan, that way he would have someone covering his ass when he makes a long run and the other team counters. His problem is he lacks the aggression necessary for playing at this level, which severely limits his ability to defend. His skill in terms of dribbling and passing are fantastic, and if he could match the tenacity and defensive awareness of players like cameron and adam (who both have their flaws but are miles ahead of imbula) we'd have a player worth the fee we paid.
I think this is right at the heart of all the issues that Hughes has got/had in midfield and why he's ultimately been forced to chop and change it so often over the last 12 months.
Until this issue is addressed, I think he's just going to go round and round in circles with his current crop of players.
I've said before, it's like trying to bake a cake without all the right ingredients but rather than going out and buying what is actually required, you just keep swapping the order of the recipe around.
If he had had an absolute beast of a DCM available, I'm certain we would have seen, regular successful performances from a midfield lining up as a 4-3-3
-----------DCM----------- ----Allen-------Imbula---
or as a 4-2-3-1
------Allen----DCM------- ---------Bojan------------
You can afford to have a player in your three who doesn't have to be concerned about winning the ball back, if you have absolute faith in the other two, Hughes (understandably) doesn't have this faith currently and hence we end up having to have all three players in there having to put in a tackle.
Can't agree more Paul, and it's no slight against Whelan, he's been a rock in the middle of the park, we just need a new player that understand the game like he does.
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 2, 2017 17:07:28 GMT
But we've been after a Glenda upgrade for ever.
(And that's not to deride the sterling service he has given here.)
LMH's no 1 problem is that he didn't identify that day 1 and move heaven and earth to get one asap.
Convinced Gianelli was seen as a ready made Zonz mark ii. the reality that he isn't (yet anyway) has meant that LMH has been all over the place in the meantime.
Now he has chased down his greater obsession (Berra), maybe he can focus on that for the summer.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 2, 2017 17:44:09 GMT
We were obviously prepared to let him go without any replacement lined up.....why?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 2, 2017 17:46:22 GMT
So is he essentially suggesting that they were prepared to pay a loan fee of 1.75 million euros with an agreed fee of 10 million euros at the end of it if they wanted to keep him but then we upped the final fee from 10 to 15 million euros?
Paul, my reading too! I'd have taken that personally, after his troubled time here. www.goal.com/fr/news/33/transferts/2017/02/02/32249512/le-pr%C3%A9sident-du-torino-explique-pourquoi-imbula-na-pas-sign%C3%A9" We were following Imbula for some time, but the conditions suddenly changed, the loan price until the end of the season was 1.75 million euros with an option at €10M . I said 'bargain' but the amount of the purchase option, become mandatory, and ended up being set at €15M " www.footmercato.net/breves/le-torino-trouvait-imbula-trop-cher_195505"We were following Imbula for some time, but the conditions completely and suddenly changed. The loan price up to the end of the season was € 1.75 million, with an option to purchase at € 10 million.
I said, "Well, deal concluded."
But the amount of the purchase option suddenly became mandatory, and was then set at €15 million.
Can we spend that money on a player who has good potential but does not play for Stoke City? We discussed it, but we've finally done nothing because things have changed unexpectedly " On this translation, he seems to be saying he had originally negotiated an option to buy at 10m euros at the end of the season which we changed to a compulsory purchase at 15m euros.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 2, 2017 17:47:33 GMT
Paul, my reading too! I'd have taken that personally, after his troubled time here. " We were following Imbula for some time, but the conditions suddenly changed, the loan price until the end of the season was 1.75 million euros with an option at 10 M €. I said 'bargain' but the amount of the purchase option, become mandatory, and ended up being set at € 15 million " On this translation, he seems to be saying he had originally negotiated an option to buy at 10m euros at the end of the season which we changed to a compulsory purchase at 15m euros. Big loss after one season😮
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 2, 2017 17:51:07 GMT
If this is true what's it gonna do to the lads already shot confidence?
We've either got to keep him and try to get him playing consistently to his ability or offload and take a significant hit on the transfer fee.
His wages and length of unexpired contract are significant issues in any potential deal
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 17:59:01 GMT
Paul, my reading too! I'd have taken that personally, after his troubled time here. www.goal.com/fr/news/33/transferts/2017/02/02/32249512/le-pr%C3%A9sident-du-torino-explique-pourquoi-imbula-na-pas-sign%C3%A9" We were following Imbula for some time, but the conditions suddenly changed, the loan price until the end of the season was 1.75 million euros with an option at €10M . I said 'bargain' but the amount of the purchase option, become mandatory, and ended up being set at €15M " On this translation, he seems to be saying he had originally negotiated an option to buy at 10m euros at the end of the season which we changed to a compulsory purchase at 15m euros. We should have let him go. We're going to get stuck with a player on massive wages for the next four years. To be honest we're going to have to write most of his fee off. He'll never make a Premier League player. All the ability in the world does not make up for a lack of application and general football intelligence. Probably the worst deal in our history closely followed by Palacios. Questions need to be asked who the bloody hell scouted him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 2, 2017 18:03:24 GMT
We were obviously prepared to let him go without any replacement lined up.....why? Tbf, as it stands there wouldn't be much to replace, I really hope he starts to click soon.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 2, 2017 18:06:16 GMT
My worry is that Hughes simply won't give him another chance. Knowing Sparky, he'll start him away at Man City which will no doubt be a hiding to nothing just to prove the point he doesn't want him anymore.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 2, 2017 18:09:54 GMT
To wander off in a puerile direction when I saw the thread subject I thought some sleazy tabloid was revealing salacious sexual details about our second choice keeper and our most expensive signing!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 18:18:40 GMT
We should have let him go. We're going to get stuck with a player on massive wages for the next four years. To be honest we're going to have to write most of his fee off. He'll never make a Premier League player. All the ability in the world does not make up for a lack of application and general football intelligence. Probably the worst deal in our history closely followed by Palacios. Questions need to be asked who the bloody hell scouted him. Steady on mate. He was brilliant against Bournemouth. He was absolutely majestic against Chelsea. He was excellent at Watford. He most certainly has the ability to make the grade, but something has gone wrong. The culture, the climate, a falling out with Hughes or team mates, maybe a combination of all three, I don't know. To suggest it's anywhere near as bad as Palacios is ridiculous. He's still young. Just remember Nzonzi wasn't pulling up any trees at Blackburn and was hit and miss to begin with with us.
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Post by crownmeking on Feb 2, 2017 18:37:31 GMT
I like imbula, and really would like to see him next to a younger more physically gifted version of Glenn Whelan, that way he would have someone covering his ass when he makes a long run and the other team counters. His problem is he lacks the aggression necessary for playing at this level, which severely limits his ability to defend. His skill in terms of dribbling and passing are fantastic, and if he could match the tenacity and defensive awareness of players like cameron and adam (who both have their flaws but are miles ahead of imbula) we'd have a player worth the fee we paid. If my aunty had a penis she would be my uncle. Maybe your aunty does have a penis.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 2, 2017 18:43:14 GMT
If my aunty had a penis she would be my uncle. trans rights yo. Gender is fluid, and sex can change. no ta duck
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Post by jeycov on Feb 2, 2017 18:54:30 GMT
A loan maybe a good solution- can we afford to reduce the squad size? A bit like the Bojan situation, he gets playing time elsewhere but is still our player
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 2, 2017 19:00:42 GMT
I think if Shaqs out on Saturday Id be tempted to bring him in for Joe Allen as he looked very tired yesterday either that or bring in Berahino. If MH doesn't think he's ready for 90 mins then a midfield of ...........Adam..........Whelan............ Affelay...........Imbula...............Arni Playing both him and Bojan from the start was never going to work as neither have enough defensive responsibility but with Adam, Whelan and Affelay I think we could carry him defensively as he's good going forward. I really like Joe and think he is an awesome player, but I still agree he looks like he needs a short break to be back to his best. Maybe the attacking midfield role would suit Imbula more as well? Maybe worth a try I think!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 2, 2017 19:29:53 GMT
1 year in to a 5 1/2 year contract on an £18.3m transfer puts his book value at £15m. Given the £/€ rate at the moment a €15m price tag would mean a write off of a little over £2m for the club. Something they could live with?
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