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Post by felonious on Jan 8, 2017 9:32:17 GMT
Average net spend we're tenth, about right. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 8, 2017 9:56:09 GMT
I can see exactly where you are coming from . Sadly it's all about money now we are in ththe best league in the world for moneymaking if not football.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 8, 2017 9:59:15 GMT
Rory Delap was one of the best technical players i've seen at Stoke ..vastly underated player for us. Will never forget his goal at the bridge. Didn't think Rory could pull that off. As I recall, neither did he 😄 |
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Post by jefferson on Jan 8, 2017 10:09:46 GMT
£40 million over four seasons isn't what I call Premier League backing. I don't think the manager has been backed whatsoever. I agree with the sentiment of the original post though. Exactly. Pulis was backed far more relative to the teams around us, yet Hughes has had us in the top half every year playing some really good football. This season has been disappointing. The frustration of Bony being crap (we hoped he'd be the goalscorer we've lacked under Hughes), Imbula being a real waste and key injuries at the back, particularly Butland in terms of the bad start with Given in goal. The last year has been frustrating but before that we were playing the best football i've seen at Stoke. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 10:27:32 GMT
Average net spend we're tenth, about right. We've always looked rubbish on net spend as we seem to be unable to unload deadwood before the contracts run out. Compared to our peers we're spending less, and outperforming them. Facts that don't fit the "Hughes Out" agenda get lost on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 10:34:42 GMT
Imbula is the biggest problem for me, he's never going to make it if he's still trying in 2022 when his five and a half year contract comes up. He looks completely lost in the hurly-burly of a midfield in this country, he can't tackle, he has no pace and he can only kick with one foot. I mean how bad do you want a midfield player to be? I honestly wonder if Mr. Coates is going to simply have to swallow the £18m transfer signing fee and pay off the remaining 5 years of his wages and kiss his sorry ass goodbye. It would be around a £30 million write off but I don't see another option. There won't be anyone else willing to come to even a quarter of his wage so he is perfectly entitled to just sit even if someone were willing to pay a modest transfer fee. I seriously don't think we can still have him wearing out the carpets at Clayton Woods going in to 2022, we need to free up the squad place and get someone in who can do the job or at least looks like they might want to do it. I'm not sure he even warrants discussion any more. He's history (surely?)...never going to make it for as long as he's got a hole in his arse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 10:37:09 GMT
How many of our current lot would.....
Live on Meir Hay?
Socialise locally?
Open a cafe in the Town Centre when he retired?
That's right..none..every fucking one of them wipes their feet on the way out.
But that's modern football.
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Post by felonious on Jan 8, 2017 10:41:47 GMT
£40 million over four seasons isn't what I call Premier League backing. I don't think the manager has been backed whatsoever. I agree with the sentiment of the original post though. Exactly. Pulis was backed far more relative to the teams around us, yet Hughes has had us in the top half every year playing some really good football. This season has been disappointing. The frustration of Bony being crap (we hoped he'd be the goalscorer we've lacked under Hughes), Imbula being a real waste and key injuries at the back, particularly Butland in terms of the bad start with Given in goal. The last year has been frustrating but before that we were playing the best football i've seen at Stoke. The starting point for the Pulis years was after 23 years on non investment in the squad which is a fundamentally different starting position to that of Hughes. |
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Post by felonious on Jan 8, 2017 10:44:11 GMT
Average net spend we're tenth, about right. We've always looked rubbish on net spend as we seem to be unable to unload deadwood before the contracts run out. Compared to our peers we're spending less, and outperforming them. Facts that don't fit the "Hughes Out" agenda get lost on here. You'd better show me the deadwood chart then  |
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Post by Gods on Jan 8, 2017 11:13:41 GMT
Try and get the numbers right RAF  This prompted Ligue 1 side Marseille to sign Imbula for a fee of €7 million. He spent two seasons at the Stade Vélodrome before joining Portuguese side Porto in the summer of 2015 for €20 million. After seven months at Porto, Imbula joined English Premier League club Stoke City for a club record £18.3 million. Ok I'll admit I'm 2 mill out if you admit you were 12 mill out and never considered wages in your original bit of knicker wetting? H Fair cop RAF  |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 8, 2017 11:32:14 GMT
It's sad isn't it? We've got the most talented and richly assembled squad in our history, we've come 9th 3 consecutive years in a row yet suddenly there's an emptiness. The blokes we've got couldn't give any less of a shit about us, they couldn't be any further away from the working class area people they are supposed to represent. This era should go down as a golden era in years to come when we're plodding around in the second tier again, but the countless 4 goal drubbings and lack of fight are really starting to grate. We lost to a reserve championship side today and we lost in the league cup at home to the Hull reserves. This isn't a post about managers but the characters in the side. Give me a plodding Lawrence over Shaq. Give me Sidibe over Bony. Give me Eustace over Imbula. We need to step away from this high priced flair and get some players who'll fight for the shirt. If we're going to be a mid-table team we might as well do it bloodying some noses whilst we're at it Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Your first mistake is thinking that footballers in any way, shape or form represent the average fan. Football at this level isn't "the working man's game" anymore and hasn't been for a very long time. I don't believe a single footballer at Stoke City represents me any more than Robbie Williams does. The type of football you crave exists in the lower leagues and until Stoke go back there you won't see it again. |
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Post by stantheman on Jan 8, 2017 11:59:44 GMT
The difference is that Mama, Ric, Rory, Liam & Co. had to work hard in the lower leagues for a fair chunk of their careers before finally getting to the top. And when they got to the top they appreciated and realised it was the pinnacle of their career.
Now we have a lot of players who have no real affinity to the Club from their South Cheshire mansions and see us as a stepping stone Club whist getting paid millions
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Post by melonhead on Jan 8, 2017 13:40:29 GMT
Watching the likes of Rory, mama etc in the Pulis days was far more enjoyable than watching sideways and backwards passing and 20 mins per game of where Stoke are actually in control of the game.
Imbulla should be loaned out to a continental side where stoke try and stump up as little of his wages as possible. This way, he either gets his confidence back and then returns or puts himself in the shop window so as much as the 18 mill is recouperated as possible.
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Post by duckling on Apr 23, 2017 23:30:14 GMT
The talk about "do the players give a toss" reminded me of this thread.
I know people are complaining, with good reason, about the reliance on the old guard. Could it be that the old guard during training or in the dressing room give a toss more than the flashy newer players do?
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2017 5:57:42 GMT
Is it all Hughes fault though, Surely these players can do more on the pitch (effort wise). If your a manager what would you do? Hughes doesn't sign a player on his own, the scouts and others around give him all the information. He's just one of many, as we all know Hughes wanted many players but couldn't get them in and settled for 2nf best. Can we blame Hughes for this? All concerned with transfers at the club need to do their homework , why was Imbula was allowed to leave Porto after 6 months Because we offered both Porto and the player a shed load of money and the chance to play in the PL? |
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Post by RAF on Apr 24, 2017 6:19:20 GMT
Fergie spunked 28 million on Veron and that was 2001-2002 ish. Managers buy expensive players that don't work out.Poborski, Tosic, Cruyff, Manucho,Zaha et al but being the most successful British manager of all time I suppose he can be cut a little slack. So lets look at Benitez the bloke that many are spunking over on here recently. Babel, Morientez, Aquilani, Robbie Keane.
Then we have Brendan Rogers another name banded around on here as a replacement for Hughes. Borini, Assaidi, Luis Alberto, Aspas, Sakho,Ricky Lambert, Markovic, Balotelli, Danny Ings.
Some if these signings were known for questionable attitudes before signing as well.
It happens, and the sooner people acknowledge it the better.
H
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 24, 2017 9:10:20 GMT
Fergie spunked 28 million on Veron and that was 2001-2002 ish. Managers buy expensive players that don't work out.Poborski, Tosic, Cruyff, Manucho,Zaha et al but being the most successful British manager of all time I suppose he can be cut a little slack. So lets look at Benitez the bloke that many are spunking over on here recently. Babel, Morientez, Aquilani, Robbie Keane. Then we have Brendan Rogers another name banded around on here as a replacement for Hughes. Borini, Assaidi, Luis Alberto, Aspas, Sakho,Ricky Lambert, Markovic, Balotelli, Danny Ings. Some if these signings were known for questionable attitudes before signing as well. It happens, and the sooner people acknowledge it the better. H The difference with that though is Man U can afford to spunk 28mil on a player and not have it pay off, they just go and spunk a load more to correct it, but to a club like ours 18mil is a lot and not so easily written off. I do get where you're coming from though and near enough every manager has done it to some degree but its all relative. |
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Post by RAF on Apr 24, 2017 12:19:05 GMT
Fergie spunked 28 million on Veron and that was 2001-2002 ish. Managers buy expensive players that don't work out.Poborski, Tosic, Cruyff, Manucho,Zaha et al but being the most successful British manager of all time I suppose he can be cut a little slack. So lets look at Benitez the bloke that many are spunking over on here recently. Babel, Morientez, Aquilani, Robbie Keane. Then we have Brendan Rogers another name banded around on here as a replacement for Hughes. Borini, Assaidi, Luis Alberto, Aspas, Sakho,Ricky Lambert, Markovic, Balotelli, Danny Ings. Some if these signings were known for questionable attitudes before signing as well. It happens, and the sooner people acknowledge it the better. H The difference with that though is Man U can afford to spunk 28mil on a player and not have it pay off, they just go and spunk a load more to correct it, but to a club like ours 18mil is a lot and not so easily written off. I do get where you're coming from though and near enough every manager has done it to some degree but its all relative. I don't know why people get all precious about the money though. It's not theirs for a start. It's Peter Coates's and he's been around long enough to realise that there is a possibility signings won't come off. The fact he allowed the purchase of Palacios for 7 million quid and saw what happened there and it still didnt deter him from putting big money into signings should tell you he accepts this as part and parcel of football. H |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 24, 2017 16:34:58 GMT
All concerned with transfers at the club need to do their homework , why was Imbula was allowed to leave Porto after 6 months Because we offered both Porto and the player a shed load of money and the chance to play in the PL? Sorry pugs Porto just broke even I think . No reason to sell unless he was a bust |
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