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Post by wuzza on Dec 14, 2016 23:22:27 GMT
That delightful touch into the back of the net against Burnley barely a fortnight ago? ....seemed to have a fairly clear perception of the correct thing to do then. Are we dining out on that for the next 3 years then? No we can throw in all the other goals that have made him our top PL scorer too -that should keep us going for a fair old while. (we won't even bother with all the other work he has done, the goals he has created etc. or we'll never stop eating)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 23:22:58 GMT
Were you at The Emirates on Saturday? When Diouf had the free header, 10 yards out that almost went for a throw in? I'd rather have Butland on crutches up front. I can give individual examples as well, but Diouf is a better player up front, out wide wherever.....
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Post by chrisparker on Dec 14, 2016 23:23:15 GMT
Man of the Match again by a country mile. He had to occupy 4 of their players to give his team mates the opportunity to keep the rest of their team quiet. Not saying you're wrong, simply asking you to expand upon that if you wouldn't mind? How did Walters keep occupy four of their players? FWIW I wanted Hughes to replace him with Bony, swap Shaq for Bojan and have at least half an outlet. But I'm not the manager. Anyway, how did Walters occupy four players? That's why you're not the manager. Shaq was taken off because he wasn't helping Johnson out defensively, leaving him 2v1 on far too many situations. In fact all of Southampton's attacks were coming from that side because Charlie Adam was keeping Bouffal relatively quiet. It would've been extremely poor management to replace one player who doesn't do enough defending with another player who doesn't even bother to defend. Same goes for Bony & Walters. Defence took priority today which is why Bony wasn't brought on for SJW. You can argue all day that SJW just runs around without any end product but today running around was exactly what we needed.
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Dec 14, 2016 23:23:32 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 14, 2016 23:23:32 GMT
Walters was , well Walters. You know what you get and whereas I think like most Stokies we should be moving on when it comes to games like tonight there is no one, absolutely no one, who I'd rather have on the pitch We'd have won if Ricardo Fuller was up front for us.
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Dec 14, 2016 23:41:12 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 14, 2016 23:41:12 GMT
I say he knows jack shit. You can run around all day but eventually you'll get the ball and have to do something with it. He hadn't a clue when he had the ball at his feet. You and Johnno just can't let go can you😄The manager picks him just like the last one and the Irish one also,so are they all wrong? I'm more than happy to say he's played well if I think he as, just as I did v Burnley
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Dec 14, 2016 23:41:57 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2016 23:41:57 GMT
You and Johnno just can't let go can you😄The manager picks him just like the last one and the Irish one also,so are they all wrong? I'm more than happy to say he's played well if I think he as, just as I did v Burnley Ok mate I believe you😄
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Post by skip on Dec 14, 2016 23:55:00 GMT
Not saying you're wrong, simply asking you to expand upon that if you wouldn't mind? How did Walters keep occupy four of their players? FWIW I wanted Hughes to replace him with Bony, swap Shaq for Bojan and have at least half an outlet. But I'm not the manager. Anyway, how did Walters occupy four players? That's why you're not the manager. Shaq was taken off because he wasn't helping Johnson out defensively, leaving him 2v1 on far too many situations. In fact all of Southampton's attacks were coming from that side because Charlie Adam was keeping Bouffal relatively quiet. It would've been extremely poor management to replace one player who doesn't do enough defending with another player who doesn't even bother to defend. Same goes for Bony & Walters. Defence took priority today which is why Bony wasn't brought on for SJW. You can argue all day that SJW just runs around without really having any product but today running around was exactly what we needed. I know. I'm quite open on here about my sodding useless tactical nous.
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Dec 14, 2016 23:56:45 GMT
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Post by lordb on Dec 14, 2016 23:56:45 GMT
Like I give a fuck what you think of my opinion. 10 men or not, he was toss tonight. Ran around but did fuck all, as usual. His powder puff effort at the end summed him up...talentless. Likewise. He ran his bollocks off tonight and is one of the reasons we got a point tonight. Who would you prefer as a lone man striker? The prolific Crouch, Bony, Diouf, Joselu or Wayne fucking Biggins? Biggins by a mile. Exactly what we need.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 14, 2016 23:59:09 GMT
Likewise. He ran his bollocks off tonight and is one of the reasons we got a point tonight. Who would you prefer as a lone man striker? The prolific Crouch, Bony, Diouf, Joselu or Wayne fucking Biggins? Biggins by a mile. Exactly what we need. No one kissed a badge as beautifully as Wayne.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Dec 15, 2016 0:00:59 GMT
Like I give a fuck what you think of my opinion. 10 men or not, he was toss tonight. Ran around but did fuck all, as usual. His powder puff effort at the end summed him up...talentless. Likewise. He ran his bollocks off tonight and is one of the reasons we got a point tonight. Who would you prefer as a lone man striker? The prolific Crouch, Bony, Diouf, Joselu or Wayne fucking Biggins? Wayne Biggins, failing Bertie, then Diouf.................all day long
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Post by eastyorksexile on Dec 15, 2016 0:09:43 GMT
it seems to me super John is like marmite, you either love it or hate it......
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Post by kurt on Dec 15, 2016 9:40:55 GMT
Jonny the rednosed reindeer
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Post by owdestokie on Dec 15, 2016 13:35:13 GMT
Like I give a fuck what you think of my opinion. 10 men or not, he was toss tonight. Ran around but did fuck all, as usual. His powder puff effort at the end summed him up...talentless. Have you contacted Leslie and the backroom staff to enlighten them as your continual sniping suggests they know fuck all
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 13:55:04 GMT
It depresses me that a team with ambitions of Europe still play this clown up front. Then we have fans who judge a good game on how much running they do.
The similarities between Hughes and Pulis are stronger than people think. Stoke fans love it though they want the likes of Whelan, Adam, Walters and Crouch on the pitch week in week out.
Any club or fan base with real ambition would want these gone, nevermind rumours of extended contracts.
So much potential with the squad we have, so wasted by those making decisions.
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Post by kurt on Dec 15, 2016 14:10:52 GMT
It depresses me that a team with ambitions of Europe still play this clown up front. Then we have fans who judge a good game on how much running they do. The similarities between Hughes and Pulis are stronger than people think. Stoke fans love it though they want the likes of Whelan, Adam, Walters and Crouch on the pitch week in week out. Any club or fan base with real ambition would want these gone, nevermind rumours of extended contracts. So much potential with the squad we have, so wasted by those making decisions. This Never would be Walters, Whelan or Adam in my starting 11. They are synonym for the average Stoke has been for many years (till now), but the quality of our squad allows more. Its nonsense to spend so many millions in new players each season, when our manager just wants to keep this average.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 15, 2016 14:31:18 GMT
If we have top 7 aspirations we need better than SJW is the central striker position. No disrespect to him but he aint the man to take us forward..pace also has to be injected throughout the team.
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Post by march4 on Dec 15, 2016 17:26:03 GMT
Man of the Match again by a country mile. He had to occupy 4 of their players to give his team mates the opportunity to keep the rest of their team quiet. Not saying you're wrong, simply asking you to expand upon that if you wouldn't mind? How did Walters keep occupy four of their players? FWIW I wanted Hughes to replace him with Bony, swap Shaq for Bojan and have at least half an outlet. But I'm not the manager. Anyway, how did Walters occupy four players? We started with Arnie, Shaq, Allen and SJW up against their back 4. Once Arnie was sent off, Allen and Shaq dropped right back leaving SJW as one man countering their back 4. He stopped them building through the middle never giving any of them a second. He rarely lost a header and in the last 15mins was not only blocking their defenders but was also stiffling the runs of their midfielders. What I loved most was everytime we had a goal kick he would charge up the field, chest thrust forward straight into the face of one of their defenders ready to win the header from the long punt. It was an exceptional performance and the club should be collecting an extra £50 from everyone present last night who was blessed enough to see it.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 15, 2016 17:40:42 GMT
It depresses me that a team with ambitions of Europe still play this clown up front. Then we have fans who judge a good game on how much running they do. The similarities between Hughes and Pulis are stronger than people think. Stoke fans love it though they want the likes of Whelan, Adam, Walters and Crouch on the pitch week in week out. Any club or fan base with real ambition would want these gone, nevermind rumours of extended contracts. So much potential with the squad we have, so wasted by those making decisions. I like Shaq but he was beyond crap last night and his "potential" was of no use to us last night. In my opinion a successful team needs combination of work horses and flair players.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2016 17:46:42 GMT
Not saying you're wrong, simply asking you to expand upon that if you wouldn't mind? How did Walters keep occupy four of their players? FWIW I wanted Hughes to replace him with Bony, swap Shaq for Bojan and have at least half an outlet. But I'm not the manager. Anyway, how did Walters occupy four players? We started with Arnie, Shaq, Allen and SJW up against their back 4. Once Arnie was sent off, Allen and Shaq dropped right back leaving SJW as one man countering their back 4. He stopped them building through the middle never giving any of them a second. He rarely lost a header and in the last 15mins was not only blocking their defenders but was also stiffling the runs of their midfielders. What I loved most was everytime we had a goal kick he would charge up the field, chest thrust forward straight into the face of one of their defenders ready to win the header from the long punt. It was an exceptional performance and the club should be collecting an extra £50 from everyone present last night who was blessed enough to see it. That's why Fonte was playing as a number 10 last night.... He ran around a lot and did some decent defensive work. He won headers that went to nobody and when he had the ball at his feet he was comical. Saying that it was one of his better performances!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dec 15, 2016 17:51:13 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 15, 2016 17:51:13 GMT
Like I give a fuck what you think of my opinion. 10 men or not, he was toss tonight. Ran around but did fuck all, as usual. His powder puff effort at the end summed him up...talentless. Have you contacted Leslie and the backroom staff to enlighten them as your continual sniping suggests they know fuck all I've mentioned it to Eddie a few times yes. As for continual sniping, I think you'll find that prior to last night my last comments on Walters were about how well he'd played in occupying two good centre halves and what a good goal he had scored.
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Post by silverdollar on Dec 15, 2016 17:54:29 GMT
Outstanding tonight. Dropped back into midfield when needed. Pressured there back line. Won free kicks. Just a brilliant all round performance from him Of course he dropped back because we only had ten men. The least could have expected was for a forward to drop back. He "pressured their back line"???? I must have been on the toilet! I can remember him once dis-possessing someone on the half way line but unfortunately his lack of pace meant that the centre backs got back but Walters took the ball wide of the goal and had no angle to shoot. I am willing to concede that Walters is a whole hearted player who has been great for Stoke during his career but last night he was not brilliant. I was disappointed that he was chosen to start. If Mark Hughes is ever going to convince fans that Stoke are advancing in status players such as Walters should have disappeared from the team many matches ago. He has had money and transfer windows but although he should be able to know a good striker he has yet to find one. I was relieved we got a point last night and our team worked hard but it was more Southampton's ineptitude that helped to get the result plus one stupendous save by Grant.
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Post by jezzascfc on Dec 15, 2016 17:56:27 GMT
Can you really comment fairly on a striker's performance when playing with 10 men for 70 minutes and he had the thankless task of ploughing a lonely furrow in the opposition's half during that time?
We all know his limitations, and that he has performed sterling work for us over several campaigns, but one thing we can all agree on, without specific game reviews, is that we do need better than him as the main striker if we really are to push on to challenge for places 5-8 in the league.
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Post by owdestokie on Dec 15, 2016 18:21:28 GMT
Can you really comment fairly on a striker's performance when playing with 10 men for 70 minutes and he had the thankless task of ploughing a lonely furrow in the opposition's half during that time? We all know his limitations, and that he has performed sterling work for us over several campaigns, but one thing we can all agree on, without specific game reviews, is that we do need better than him as the main striker if we really are to push on to challenge for places 5-8 in the league. You are right on both points. His time will be over when the professional "footballing" management at the club deem it to be. Its sad that there are a number of posters who have been trying to convince all in sundry that his time was up three years ago. They seek any opportunity to peddle the same old crap. Hence the repetetive SJW posts. Its the same with Whelan unfortunately, who in time will face the same as Walters, a decision by the professionals.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2016 19:30:59 GMT
Can you really comment fairly on a striker's performance when playing with 10 men for 70 minutes and he had the thankless task of ploughing a lonely furrow in the opposition's half during that time? We all know his limitations, and that he has performed sterling work for us over several campaigns, but one thing we can all agree on, without specific game reviews, is that we do need better than him as the main striker if we really are to push on to challenge for places 5-8 in the league. You are right on both points. His time will be over when the professional "footballing" management at the club deem it to be. Its sad that there are a number of posters who have been trying to convince all in sundry that his time was up three years ago. They seek any opportunity to peddle the same old crap. Hence the repetetive SJW posts. Its the same with Whelan unfortunately, who in time will face the same as Walters, a decision by the professionals. I see you are absent from here when the likes of Shaq, Arnie, Bojan, Imbula etc get a caning? Wonder why? You should trust the professionals mate.
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Post by owdestokie on Dec 15, 2016 20:44:49 GMT
I'm not as vitriolic as some with long standing agendas against certain players and who fail to respect over a long period of time knowledge and understanding of football at a professional level.
It must really rub some up the wrong way when a Pulis favourite is now being picked by another manager who has clocked up 400 Premiership games. Hey what the fuck do I know
Walters as Whelan must do something right, or don't they?
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Dec 15, 2016 20:49:14 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 15, 2016 20:49:14 GMT
I'm not as vitriolic as some with long standing agendas against certain players and who fail to respect over a long period of time knowledge and understanding of football at a professional level. It must really rub some up the wrong way when a Pulis favourite is now being picked by another manager who has clocked up 400 Premiership games. Hey what the fuck do I know Walters as Whelan must do something right, or don't they? And both picked time and time again by two different international managers
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 15, 2016 22:03:39 GMT
Just for you pair(Pugs and Johnno)
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Post by samba :) on Dec 16, 2016 0:03:30 GMT
I loved how he kept holding there players back by the arms to piss them off
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 16, 2016 0:06:06 GMT
Just for you pair(Pugs and Johnno) I've always said that if you're going to play Walters then a. play him from the start and b. play him through the middle. Who knows, if this and the previous manager could sign a proper CF between them the record would be even better.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 16, 2016 0:08:31 GMT
For those who struggle with the Sentinel site: Mark Bowen told Radio Stoke before kick-off: "We've got a fantastic record with Jon as our number nine and we know what he gives the rest of the team." That record really is pretty hot. Walters has been in that role on three occasions in the league this season after being called upon to replace Wilfried Bony. They have won two and drawn the other, scoring three and not conceding. Last season he was used 10 times at nine, only losing once. The Potters won seven of those; at home against Bournemouth, Chelsea, Aston Villa and Newcastle; and on the road at Villa, Southampton and Bournemouth again. It was tried six times the season before that and only ended in defeat away at Chelsea. That run included a win at Leicester, a hat-trick in a home pasting of Queens Park Rangers and another win at Villa. That's half a season's worth of fixtures that have garnered 41 points; 12 wins, five draws, two losses, scoring 25 and letting in 13. If only Stoke could keep that up for a full campaign and they'd be… well, Leicester won the title with 81 points last season.
That's a remarkable record for Walters. He is so good he appears twice in Stoke's top scorer list a couple of seasons ago! : www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/stoke-city/2014-15/top-scorers.html
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