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Post by Soi Cowboy on May 13, 2008 1:12:15 GMT
Can remember like yesterday
The police did a fantastic job- what did get me and looking at it again was those bouncing up and down singing as folk were obviously desperately trying to get out
To be fair they probably didn't realise the level of what was happening at the time - was dreadful and to be fair so many ran to that poor fella's rescue but sadly too late
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 13, 2008 2:13:51 GMT
Oh my God, that's the first I've ever even head of that! RIP indeed, that's absolutely horrible!
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Post by mark71 on May 13, 2008 2:20:04 GMT
The thing that hits home is that could of been anyone of us that went to games during the 80's. it could of happened at any ground any week. Why didn't the Butler Street stand go up? it's only fate thats kept us here. Never forget. Never let it be forgotten.
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Post by ManderBeast on May 13, 2008 8:47:17 GMT
First time ive ever seen that!!! Fucking Tragic!!
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on May 13, 2008 9:10:35 GMT
you think about all the media attention hillsborough gets, which was someone's fault then you take this into account, which alot of people dont even know about, which was nobodies fault. ive actually seen the video before a few years ago on youtube, and i cant watch it again. truely horrifying. R.I.P. bradford fans
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Post by sovietonion on May 13, 2008 9:33:33 GMT
I don't agree that it shouldn't be shown. It's documented history and frankly it's a little more shocking that some people aren't aware of that day!! I was 12-13 at the time and watched the scenes on Grandstand. Truly scary and genuinely upsetting. However, what happened that day is a part of where we are today in British Football. There had been stadium disasters before, notably at Ibrox (twice) and Bolton (v us in 1947). The Bradford Fire, Heysel and Hillsborough though, all happened within the space of less than five years. Those three events are almost directly responsible for: The design of the ground you sit in today The number of safe, modern, purpose built grounds. Workable contingency plans for emergencies The reason why it is safer to watch a football match in Britain than it is ANYWHERE else in Europe. Why we aren't penned in like battery farm chickens anymore Better medical facilities and easier access for rapid response units Watch it once and never watch it again if you dont want to-use choice and discretion-, but for God's sake the lessons learned from that day may have saved countless lives here since. The Police that day were magnificent under horrific circumstances and nowadays we are prepared. It's such a shame a tragedy like that had to happen to ensure it.
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on May 13, 2008 9:46:38 GMT
Never seen that footage before. Unbelievable the speed in which it all unfolded.
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on May 13, 2008 9:49:19 GMT
sovietonion, what happened v bolton in 1947?
forgive my ignorance but it was the best over 40 years before i was born
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Post by sovietonion on May 13, 2008 9:58:54 GMT
sovietonion, what happened v bolton in 1947? forgive my ignorance but it was the best over 40 years before i was born I was born in 72 mate but I know of it through older folks. Look here: Burnden Park 9th March 1946 : Bolton Wanderers vs Stoke City, F.A. Cup 6th round, second leg. Thirty-two people were killed and over four hundred injured when crush barriers collapsed 12 minutes into the match and spectators spilled onto the pitch. Over 65,000 people were inside the ground and the tragedy was thought to have started when some of the estimated 20,000 fans locked outside broke down the gates and forced their way in. Stanley Matthews played for Stoke in this match: "As we trotted on to the pitch I noticed the crowd was tightly packed, but this was nothing unusual at a big cup-tie. Our boys began well, and after ten minutes we had reason to feel confident as we were having the best of the game. It then happened! There was a terrific roar from the crowd, and I glanced over my shoulder to see thousands of fans coming from the terracing behind the far goal on to the pitch." Referee George Dutton stopped play while the police pushed spectators back over the line. The game restarted with a dropped ball but within a few minutes a police sergeant came onto the pitch and spoke to the referee. Mr Dutton called captains Harry Hubbick and Neil Franklin together and told them that a spectator had been killed. He then took the teams off. The game resumed 26 minutes later on the advice of the Chief Constable of Bolton. As the teams went back out a spectator grabbed Stoke left-winger Frank Baker, shouting " It's a crime to carry on!" A fresh touch-line had to be marked with sawdust and the game continued with bodies draped in coats laying alongside the pitch. At half-time the teams turned straight around and continued with the game. The match finished with Stoke unable to recover from a two-goal first-leg deficit (in the 45-46 F.A. Cup all ties except the Final were played over two legs.) In common with subsequent disasters and contrary to popular opinion at the time, the players were unaware of the scale of the tragedy. Matthews' account continues: "In our dressing-room again we heard more rumours about the increasing number of casualties. Yet it was not until I was motoring home that evening that the shadow of the grim disaster descended on me like a storm-cloud." Following the disaster a Home Office enquiry recommended stricter inspection and licensing of grounds. www.11v11.com/index.php?pageID=286&id=5
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on May 13, 2008 10:01:47 GMT
I was 14 at the time don't think its really hit home like that before though, I think the video should be shown as it does help us remember that everyone should be more responsible at football grounds, and thank god the stadia these days are safer. To think I've been there and I take my two girls to football all the time is shocking to think it could happen to anyone of us.
R.I.P.
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Post by sovietonion on May 13, 2008 10:04:05 GMT
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Post by pattayapotter on May 13, 2008 10:30:24 GMT
The fact that people on here have never seen or heard of the terrible day is as good enough reason to leave the link. I can't believe the doo gooding political correct morons are at it again. Unfortunatley i had the pleasure of watching these horrific scenes unfold 'live' has it was happening on Grandstand. I was 15 years, and yes it certainly did leave me scarred but it is a very important part of our sporting history. Relegation that year was nothing in comparison
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2008 10:35:04 GMT
They really are tragic scenes and should never be forgotten. The speed at which the fire takes hold is the most striking thing for me.
RIP those that died.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on May 13, 2008 10:41:59 GMT
It's a quite horrific video, I can also remember watching it on Grandstand, like the Heysel and Hilssborough disasters subsequently. Just because it's horrific doesn't mean it shouldn't be shown, sometimes we need to see the full horror of something to appreciate what we must do to ensure such things never happen again.
Truly surreal images. The speed of events from a few small flames to a massive fireball is quite astonishing. Anyone whoever sat in the Butler Street stand will testify the thought crossed your mind that sitting on a pile of old wood and tar wasn't a nice thought post-Bradford.
It's also amazing how long the fans go on celebrating once the true size of the fire becomes evident. It's also amazing how fearlessly the coppers deal with it, going into a blazing inferno with only their helmets protecting their faces to drag smouldering fans from the wreckage.
Football in the 1980s was like the dark ages compared to today when you think back to some of the rotting and rusting hulks of grounds we watched games in.
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Post by knowles on May 13, 2008 11:02:22 GMT
That is truly awful.
I have seen it before but watching it, you cannot help but feel "it could have been me".
People complain about the Taylor Report but if it avoids shocking scenes like this and Hillsborough, Burnden (where some of our brothers were) and Ibrox, it can only be a good thing
Sleep well Bantams
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Post by Olgrligm on May 13, 2008 11:06:54 GMT
The whole video is vile. I don't think it should be taken down though, it's important to remember these things. RIP.
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Post by WurstBoy on May 13, 2008 11:13:45 GMT
I too watched it live and didn't feel the need to click on the link to watch it again. My wife actually cried when I told her about it (the incident not the link).
It needs to be remembered as do the innocents who lost their lives that day. I don't need to see it again.
Maybe other people, particularly younger people who either didn't see it, or surprisingly don't even know about it need to see this.
As a society we need to ensure that something like this can never happen again.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2008 11:29:19 GMT
If I remember rightly most of the people who died were trapped at the back unable to get out of the padlocked exits. Football grounds really were shocking places to be at in thoses days. A million miles away from todays stadiums. I too watched it unfold on grandstand & its one of thoses memories that will never fade.
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Post by shipshape on May 13, 2008 12:34:12 GMT
I also remember watching this all those years ago and to this day it remains one of the harrowing things I've ever seen.
I'm not surprised that many of the younger posters on here are unaware of what happened in Bradford. The disaster and the people that died are not given a fraction of the coverage that is devoted to Hillsborough which is a disgrace in my opinion.
Lets hope nowt like this is ever seen again. BTW suggesting that smoking in the bogs at the Brit could cause similar events to unfold is crassness in the extreme.
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Post by lordb on May 13, 2008 12:43:20 GMT
check out the Bradford City section of Simon Inglis (landmark book) The Football Ground of England & Wales 1st edition 1983
he describes that stand & the mountains of rubbish that had been deposited underneath over many many years,in the later (1989?) edition he is somewhat remorseful in that he didnt consider the safety angle of this - not that it was his responsibility.
the safety culture @ football,despite the Popplewell report,was virtually nil.
public consiousness,even after Bradford (& for many even after Hilsborough),was directed almost entirley @ hooliganism. imho,this was created by piss poor policing for decades & the OTT media - especially the rags such as the Mail who only ever considered football fans - all fans - as subhuman scum.
I hate hooliganism,I really do,but the mentality of people in power & influence should hang their heads in shame
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on May 13, 2008 12:49:38 GMT
Spot on lordb, it's tempting to see health and safety as just petty rules and regulations, but the situation where thousands of people were effectively sitting on a large bonfire awaiting ignition is absolutely staggering from a modern perspective.
Thankfully it could never happen today, but sadly it took lives of ordinary fans to make it happen.
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Post by devonstokie111 on May 13, 2008 12:54:39 GMT
RIP to all who were lost in all tradagies these should be shown so we can pay respect and learn never again hopefully
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Post by goatboy on May 13, 2008 13:00:37 GMT
RIP - Just looking at that 'in memoriam' list is heart-breaking, particularly when you see this:
GREENWOOD, Felix Winspear 13 Denholme GREENWOOD, Peter 46 Denholme GREENWOOD, Rupert Benedict 11 Denholme
A dad & his 2 lads, just going to celebrate a successful season.
Awful.
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Post by goatboy on May 13, 2008 13:05:40 GMT
I can't believe the doo gooding political correct morons are at it again. That's a fucking disgraceful comment - whatever your opinion is on whether it should be shown, this is not the time or place to be airing your political paranoias. Grow up.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on May 13, 2008 13:27:06 GMT
Irony upon tragic irony (from here: LINK):
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on May 13, 2008 13:30:28 GMT
And some truly scary pictures, starting with one taken from within the stand as it started burning: LINK
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Post by pulisjr on May 13, 2008 14:46:52 GMT
I'd never heard about this, an absolute tragedy i can't even imagine the fear of what that would be like.
Thinking about it now it probably took more than 4 minutes for me to get from the back of the boothen onto to pitch vs Leicester let alone with everyone clambering over one another for their lives.
RIP to all involved and families.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2008 15:50:59 GMT
Got to know a fair few Bardford fans after that as they came down collecting at our game v Coventry...RIP fellas I know Hboro often gets a bashing , but before people do they should remember beyond all the sentimentality people died in horrific cicrcumstances...take a look at some of the unedited footage that exisits ..horrendous. RIP And finally the Bolton disaster.... www.merseysidepotters.com/Burnden.htmTBH one of the few ( indeed possibly still the only ) place on the internet you'll find a list detailing those that lost their lives..RIP
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Post by redrob on May 13, 2008 18:59:26 GMT
Watching that I cant belive the speed that the incident went from a small fire to an inferno, its amazing more pepole didnt die, the panic in the ground must have been horrific. Makes you think how far we've come in stadia design. I dont understand why this doesnt get more attention its very important to remember that people lost their lives and many more suffered because of it.
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Post by algor on May 13, 2008 19:27:25 GMT
I was only a young un at the time and whilst I did know about it I hadn't seen the clip. We all know how long it takes to get down the steps and out of a block after a game. To think of all those people trying to get out with a fire burning at their backs is terrible. The image of that poor man on fire walking in "apparent calmness" onto the pitch will stay with me forever. RIP fellow football fans
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