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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 9:39:21 GMT
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 10, 2016 9:54:21 GMT
Interesting but could be difficult to achieve at different INDIVIDUAL stadiums.
Many clubs inc ourselves are virtually sold out to season ticket holders, and a whole block would have to be dispossessed of their seats and presumably sat to the rear of the goal.
The away section at Leicester I thought was quite good taking a corner section which extended through to the side.
This could be an ideal situation for the 365, filling in the scoreboard corner with a view to accomadate visiting supporters and the new rule at the same time.
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Post by rorymscfc on Nov 10, 2016 9:57:01 GMT
I think when they say pitch side they mean close to the pitch rather than stuck up in the gods as you get at Newcastle.
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 10, 2016 9:58:41 GMT
Interesting but could be difficult to achieve at different INDIVIDUAL stadiums. Many clubs inc ourselves are virtually sold out to season ticket holders, and a whole block would have to be dispossessed of their seats and presumably sat to the rear of the goal. The away section at Leicester I thought was quite good taking a corner section which extended through to the side. This could be an ideal situation for the 365, filling in the scoreboard corner with a view to accomadate visiting supporters and the new rule at the same time. Away fans are already pitchside at the 365 The new rule is for grounds like Newcastle where they put you up in the clouds.
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Post by werrington on Nov 10, 2016 10:19:09 GMT
Interesting but could be difficult to achieve at different INDIVIDUAL stadiums. Many clubs inc ourselves are virtually sold out to season ticket holders, and a whole block would have to be dispossessed of their seats and presumably sat to the rear of the goal. The away section at Leicester I thought was quite good taking a corner section which extended through to the side. This could be an ideal situation for the 365, filling in the scoreboard corner with a view to accomadate visiting supporters and the new rule at the same time. Leicester is pitch side
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 10, 2016 10:23:01 GMT
I think when they say pitch side they mean close to the pitch rather than stuck up in the gods as you get at Newcastle. Hopefully, same at Sunderland.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Nov 10, 2016 10:25:39 GMT
Sunderland apparently just went through a massive load of messing around to move away fans from behind 1 goal to up in the heavens and then this rule has come out lol.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 10, 2016 10:31:09 GMT
Ok I misunderstood, I was thinking touhline.
Still think the new corner would be good for visitors and move them away from the tunnel.
Agree about Newcastle, to far away and up from the pitch.
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Post by andylgr on Nov 10, 2016 10:59:21 GMT
Theres could be too much logistically outside the ground that would need to be done to move the away fans in to the corner. They'd have to have segregation like they have now outside the away end. I think they'll leave them where they are.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 10, 2016 11:00:35 GMT
The FSF have been promoting this with the PL, and we are pleased that they have acted to introduce this new rule. It doesn't have to be all away fans, just at least one block so that the position at Man City and West Ham where they are split between different tiers would be still be permitted, but that at Sunderland and Newcastle wouldn't. The PL of course know that the atmosphere and the sight of away fans celebrating a goal is all part of selling the TV product which is not helped when they are stuck away in the gods.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 11:10:23 GMT
Sunderland apparently just went through a massive load of messing around to move away fans from behind 1 goal to up in the heavens and then this rule has come out lol. If it comes in next season for Premier League clubs then I don't think it will affect them.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 10, 2016 11:14:39 GMT
Sunderland apparently just went through a massive load of messing around to move away fans from behind 1 goal to up in the heavens and then this rule has come out lol. If it comes in next season for Premier League clubs then I don't think it will affect them. Beat me to it!
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Nov 10, 2016 11:42:50 GMT
Sunderland apparently just went through a massive load of messing around to move away fans from behind 1 goal to up in the heavens and then this rule has come out lol. If it comes in next season for Premier League clubs then I don't think it will affect them. Damn good point, don't even know what I was thinking
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Nov 10, 2016 11:47:39 GMT
Are there pitchside away seats at Old Trafford, or is there a small section of Man Utd fans below the away end?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 10, 2016 11:50:05 GMT
If I was Sunderland or Swansea I'd want the home seats further away from pitch side so I wouldn't have to watch the guff on the pitch.
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Post by Gods on Nov 10, 2016 11:55:41 GMT
I guess it is all about TV.
The cameras spend nearly as much time filming the passionate faces of the management teams and the fans as they do the action, the idea being that the viewer should be emotionally involved, it is every bit as much a part of the TV product as the sport itself. It becomes why you should care.
They do the same at Wimbledon, as much time filming Andy Murray's fans, Kim Sears his wife, his coaching team, the people on Henman Hill, his mother as they do the man himself.
They do it brilliantly at the Olympics, take someone you have never heard of and therefore don't care about and make up a short montage of their home life and those that care about that person and some adversity they have got over...and you are already starting to melt.
You start to confuse other peoples pain and joy with your own and, BANG, they have you where they want you. Total success is if they can achieve the giving of tears!
Editing of this kind is the core skill of TV these days.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 10, 2016 12:16:39 GMT
Are there pitchside away seats at Old Trafford, or is there a small section of Man Utd fans below the away end? Yes, there is a small section of home fans in that corner below the away fans.
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Post by rawli on Nov 10, 2016 13:26:05 GMT
Sunderland apparently just went through a massive load of messing around to move away fans from behind 1 goal to up in the heavens and then this rule has come out lol. Isn't the ruling only for Premier League though? Bastard. The world and his wife have already thought of that.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Nov 10, 2016 13:43:35 GMT
Sunderland apparently just went through a massive load of messing around to move away fans from behind 1 goal to up in the heavens and then this rule has come out lol. Isn't the ruling only for Premier League though? Bastard. The world and his wife have already thought of that. And yet it was that obvious it went straight over my head while I was posting it.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 10, 2016 13:44:55 GMT
The FSF have been promoting this with the PL, and we are pleased that they have acted to introduce this new rule. It doesn't have to be all away fans, just at least one block so that the position at Man City and West Ham where they are split between different tiers would be still be permitted, but that at Sunderland and Newcastle wouldn't. The PL of course know that the atmosphere and the sight of away fans celebrating a goal is all part of selling the TV product which is not helped when they are stuck away in the gods. So what about clubs like Everton, Bournemouth & Leicester where they are pitchside but still hidden from the TV cameras view. Could this rule end up going further & saying away fans must be pitchside AND behind a goal? (Which is how it should be in my view)
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 10, 2016 13:52:11 GMT
The FSF have been promoting this with the PL, and we are pleased that they have acted to introduce this new rule. It doesn't have to be all away fans, just at least one block so that the position at Man City and West Ham where they are split between different tiers would be still be permitted, but that at Sunderland and Newcastle wouldn't. The PL of course know that the atmosphere and the sight of away fans celebrating a goal is all part of selling the TV product which is not helped when they are stuck away in the gods. So what about clubs like Everton, Bournemouth & Leicester where they are pitchside but still hidden from the TV cameras view. Could this rule end up going further & saying away fans must be pitchside AND behind a goal? (Which is how it should be in my view) If you've got that view you'll be fine!
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Post by flea79 on Nov 10, 2016 14:07:35 GMT
Are there pitchside away seats at Old Trafford, or is there a small section of Man Utd fans below the away end? Yes, there is a small section of home fans in that corner below the away fans. I think that in that area below away fans is also an area adapted for people with various disabilities, they have some small screens embedded on a wall that is for partially sighted people, I also think they have audio feeds for deaf folk in that area
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Post by 3putts on Nov 10, 2016 14:15:01 GMT
Ok I misunderstood, I was thinking touhline. Still think the new corner would be good for visitors and move them away from the tunnel. Agree about Newcastle, to far away and up from the pitch. what is it with this obsession of moving the away fans away from the tunnel? seeing as we have been reasonably strong at home i cannot see how it will have an impact.it will never happen anyway due to logistics.
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Post by burge2u on Nov 10, 2016 15:09:17 GMT
Ok I misunderstood, I was thinking touhline. Still think the new corner would be good for visitors and move them away from the tunnel. Agree about Newcastle, to far away and up from the pitch. The new corner is an ideal place to try safe standing (for home fans).
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Post by KevinWhimper on Nov 10, 2016 15:48:31 GMT
Ok I misunderstood, I was thinking touhline. Still think the new corner would be good for visitors and move them away from the tunnel. Agree about Newcastle, to far away and up from the pitch. The new corner is an ideal place to try safe standing (for home fans). Would be great but its against league rules.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Nov 10, 2016 16:51:01 GMT
I guess it is all about TV. The cameras spend nearly as much time filming the passionate faces of the management teams and the fans as they do the action, the idea being that the viewer should be emotionally involved, it is every bit as much a part of the TV product as the sport itself. It becomes why you should care. They do the same at Wimbledon, as much time filming Andy Murray's fans, Kim Sears his wife, his coaching team, the people on Henman Hill, his mother as they do the man himself. They do it brilliantly at the Olympics, take someone you have never heard of and therefore don't care about and make up a short montage of their home life and those that care about that person and some adversity they have got over...and you are already starting to melt. You start to confuse other peoples pain and joy with your own and, BANG, they have you where they want you. Total success is if they can achieve the giving of tears! Editing of this kind is the core skill of TV these days. By delineating just how cynically I'm being manipulated when I watch televised sport God's, you've ruined the events calendar for the next 20 years.....humbug. 😉
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Post by block22stokie on Nov 10, 2016 17:34:45 GMT
Ok I misunderstood, I was thinking touhline. Still think the new corner would be good for visitors and move them away from the tunnel. Agree about Newcastle, to far away and up from the pitch. what is it with this obsession of moving the away fans away from the tunnel? seeing as we have been reasonably strong  at home i cannot see how it will have an impact.it will never happen anyway due to logistics. There's nothing wrong with it. People just like a good moan about anything on here
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Post by albundy on Nov 10, 2016 17:52:46 GMT
Surely this is nothing to do with TV and all about people like Malcolm lobbying to improve the match day experience for fans
You can stick a camera on the fans wherever they are
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 10, 2016 17:54:01 GMT
The FSF have been promoting this with the PL, and we are pleased that they have acted to introduce this new rule. It doesn't have to be all away fans, just at least one block so that the position at Man City and West Ham where they are split between different tiers would be still be permitted, but that at Sunderland and Newcastle wouldn't. The PL of course know that the atmosphere and the sight of away fans celebrating a goal is all part of selling the TV product which is not helped when they are stuck away in the gods. Great sentiment obviously to get away supporters better views but I can't think of too much worse than say, at Newcastle or Sunderland, a block with 200-300 supporters pitch side with the rest of the crowd in the gods. That wouldn't help the atmosphere at all. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that two tiered away stands are a bigger destroyer of an atmosphere than aways fans being in the gods so to speak. Two tiered away stands are crap. All away supporters should be located in the same stand. At Newcastle and Sunderland coordinated chants from top and bottom sections would be impossible. It wouldn't surprise me to see clubs abuse this by putting away fans at different ends of the stadium though I guess you are assuming policing and segregation would prevent such abuse. You've also got the added issue that some of the views low down/pitchside are horrendous...west ham, arsenal, Everton, Liverpool to name just four...and Chelsea. Get the fans in one stand, on one tier, regardless of where that is and you'll get a better atmosphere, if indeed that's what this is all about.
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Post by slpmarc on Nov 10, 2016 17:56:30 GMT
How will West Ham get on with this rule, they cannot give pitch side seats to the home supporters
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