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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 3:41:15 GMT
In the Spurs match day programme quite recently there was a feature on Garth for the game against us.
He said his most memorable moment in football was running out at The Vic on his debut, turning towards the boothen and looking at the spot where he normally stood. He said that nothing else he ever achieved quite matched that moment. Bear in mind he won two FA Cups and The UEFA Cup at Spurs. Talk about peaking early.
I've loved him ever since hearing that.
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Post by davethebass on Aug 10, 2017 5:48:46 GMT
So while we were all in the Boothen saying "fuckin ell its Garth!", Garth was on the pitch thinking "fuckin ell its the Boothen End"! Brilliant nice one, suppose we'd all feel like that but it's good to hear the story ... I remember it crossing my mind at the time what a buzz it must have been!
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Post by neilb987 on Aug 10, 2017 8:05:38 GMT
Think it's a pity he never got to play a full season in the Hudson-Greenhoff team. Image the goals he might have scored for us with that level of service!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 8:09:36 GMT
Looks like he's been on the Alan Brazil diet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 9:51:53 GMT
I really don't understand this "accent" thing, to me he still has a very clear Potteries slant to his voice, particularly on vowels. It might have faded it a little but he's lived in London for decades. To be fair, I wouldn't even begrudge him if he'd tried harder to lose some of it, it's an incredibly grating and annoying accent when you hear it juxtaposed with others on the box. Never notice it out and about in general but when it's on telly I cringe, because mine is really strong too. Yet nobody bats an eye lid when our beloved chairman openly admitted to ditching the Stoke accent. That's ok though apparently. I also agree about the Stoke accent, it's awful and when you hear it on tv it makes the person sound incredibly thick.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 10, 2017 9:59:07 GMT
I really don't understand this "accent" thing, to me he still has a very clear Potteries slant to his voice, particularly on vowels. It might have faded it a little but he's lived in London for decades. To be fair, I wouldn't even begrudge him if he'd tried harder to lose some of it, it's an incredibly grating and annoying accent when you hear it juxtaposed with others on the box. Never notice it out and about in general but when it's on telly I cringe, because mine is really strong too. Yet nobody bats an eye lid when our beloved chairman openly admitted to ditching the Stoke accent. That's ok though apparently. I also agree about the Stoke accent, it's awful and when you hear it on tv it makes the person sound incredibly thick. In my job (education) I had to work quite hard on reinventing my accent when I left Stoke especially the habit of dropping h's, It takes quite a bit of work to get them working and a for a few years they sound artificial, which is a bit like what I was hearing in Garth. also things like catching the bus, not the buzz! I don't think it sounds awful, but its not appropriate for certain lines of work.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 10, 2017 10:02:15 GMT
Thing is he's lived in London for 37 years. Some of his accent is bound to go.
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Post by philb on Aug 10, 2017 10:08:45 GMT
After getting rid of capitalist pig dog cuntbubble Sky I'm now having to watch red button final score on BBC 1 When did Garth Crooks ditch his plummy southern puffy accent and start doing amphetamines. he's really quite engaging GD Worth getting Sky back for just that reason?
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Post by jstoke7 on Aug 10, 2017 11:56:56 GMT
Thing is he's lived in London for 37 years. Some of his accent is bound to go. Cannot understand the hate.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 10, 2017 11:58:08 GMT
Thing is he's lived in London for 37 years. Some of his accent is bound to go. Cannot understand the hate. Nor me
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 10, 2017 12:43:09 GMT
This "having to drop your Stoke accent to get on" thing is bollocks. I got into Oxford Uni (required interview not just written application), and have worked for big law firms the world over and I still have my Stoke accent pretty much in tact (okay, I may say lunch and dinner, not dinner and tea, to some folk so they know what I mean!). If you are good enough at your job, no one gives a shit.
Having said that, I watched the whole Crooks interview and he came across as showing a real love for Stoke, the club, the place and the fans. I develop a renewed level of respect for him, even if his prediction of our finishing between 6th and 10th seems unduly optimistic right now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 12:46:55 GMT
I always thought he was from Abbey Hulton. I always thought he was from Campbell Rd or one of them streets near the ground; used walk all over for miles looking for games, with his boots round his neck. Story went Waddo saw him doing shooting practice against a brick wall (shooting from 20 yards then volleying the rebound back, over and over without the ball touching the ground, he was that good) and was so impressed he offered him a trial. He was in the first team a fortnight later! We were in the boothen end and gobsmacked when we saw him! "Fuckin ell its Garth!". I witnessed first hand the racism he faced; he paved the way for more acceptance of black people in football, and in the community. Greatest respect for the bloke, the man's a legend. And he's *our* legend! He was brought up in Stoke.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 10, 2017 12:50:37 GMT
This "having to drop your Stoke accent to get on" thing is bollocks. I got into Oxford Uni (required interview not just written application), and have worked for big law firms the world over and I still have my Stoke accent pretty much in tact (okay, I may say lunch and dinner, not dinner and tea, to some folk so they know what I mean!). If you are good enough at your job, no one gives a shit. Having said that, I watched the whole Crooks interview and he came across as showing a real love for Stoke, the club, the place and the fans. I develop a renewed level of respect for him, even if his prediction of our finishing between 6th and 10th seems unduly optimistic right now. Re: pronunciation, surely it depends what job you are in? Teaching English you have to pronounce your h's......same with broadcasting, so maybe not so important in your job, that's fine.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 10, 2017 12:52:03 GMT
This "having to drop your Stoke accent to get on" thing is bollocks. I got into Oxford Uni (required interview not just written application), and have worked for big law firms the world over and I still have my Stoke accent pretty much in tact (okay, I may say lunch and dinner, not dinner and tea, to some folk so they know what I mean!). If you are good enough at your job, no one gives a shit. Having said that, I watched the whole Crooks interview and he came across as showing a real love for Stoke, the club, the place and the fans. I develop a renewed level of respect for him, even if his prediction of our finishing between 6th and 10th seems unduly optimistic right now. Re: pronunciation, surely it depends what job you are in? Teaching English you have to pronounce your h's......same with broadcasting, so maybe not so important in your job, that's fine. Pronunciation is different to an accent. You can say words correctly, but still have an accent.
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Post by jstoke7 on Aug 10, 2017 12:52:06 GMT
This "having to drop your Stoke accent to get on" thing is bollocks. I got into Oxford Uni (required interview not just written application), and have worked for big law firms the world over and I still have my Stoke accent pretty much in tact (okay, I may say lunch and dinner, not dinner and tea, to some folk so they know what I mean!). If you are good enough at your job, no one gives a shit. Having said that, I watched the whole Crooks interview and he came across as showing a real love for Stoke, the club, the place and the fans. I develop a renewed level of respect for him, even if his prediction of our finishing between 6th and 10th seems unduly optimistic right now. If you live down south for years your accent mellows...it's not rocket science.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 10, 2017 12:54:14 GMT
This "having to drop your Stoke accent to get on" thing is bollocks. I got into Oxford Uni (required interview not just written application), and have worked for big law firms the world over and I still have my Stoke accent pretty much in tact (okay, I may say lunch and dinner, not dinner and tea, to some folk so they know what I mean!). If you are good enough at your job, no one gives a shit. Having said that, I watched the whole Crooks interview and he came across as showing a real love for Stoke, the club, the place and the fans. I develop a renewed level of respect for him, even if his prediction of our finishing between 6th and 10th seems unduly optimistic right now. If you live down south for years your accent mellows...it's not rocket science. Agreed - my accent has softened a little after years abroad as well, although it is still there and gets stronger when talking to Stoke mates/family or going back home, but it seemed he made a conscious effort to lose it, to go all "plummy", at one time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 12:56:17 GMT
This "having to drop your Stoke accent to get on" thing is bollocks. I got into Oxford Uni (required interview not just written application), and have worked for big law firms the world over and I still have my Stoke accent pretty much in tact (okay, I may say lunch and dinner, not dinner and tea, to some folk so they know what I mean!). If you are good enough at your job, no one gives a shit. Having said that, I watched the whole Crooks interview and he came across as showing a real love for Stoke, the club, the place and the fans. I develop a renewed level of respect for him, even if his prediction of our finishing between 6th and 10th seems unduly optimistic right now. If you live down south for years your accent mellows...it's not rocket science. It mellows even quicker with elocution lessons.
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Post by jstoke7 on Aug 10, 2017 12:57:34 GMT
If you live down south for years your accent mellows...it's not rocket science. Agreed - my accent has softened a little after years abroad as well, although it is still there and gets stronger when talking to Stoke mates/family or going back home, but it seemed he made a conscious effort to lose it, to go all "plummy", at one time. Maybe he was forced to? Or thought he had to to fit in. I'm not saying it was right but to chastise him for it is unfair IMO. I'm from London and he is good mates with a guy who owns a cafe down the road. He always used to tell us how much Garth talks about Stoke when he see's him.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 10, 2017 12:57:44 GMT
Re: pronunciation, surely it depends what job you are in? Teaching English you have to pronounce your h's......same with broadcasting, so maybe not so important in your job, that's fine. Pronunciation is different to an accent. You can say words correctly, but still have an accent. so you dont think 'having to drop your Stoke pronunciation' is bollocks then? I would say accent and pronunciation are intertwined with each other. Stoke accent invariably (at least when I was growing up in Fenton) meant dropping h's
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 10, 2017 13:03:50 GMT
Pronunciation is different to an accent. You can say words correctly, but still have an accent. so you dont think 'having to drop your Stoke pronunciation' is bollocks then? I would say accent and pronunciation are intertwined with each other. Stoke accent invariably (at least when I was growing up in Fenton) meant dropping h's Now you are getting into the realms of dialect, which is a wholly different matter. No, I don't speak in legal meetings like "ow fer towk rate in staffycher", or call my clients duck - there has to be some accommodation to the situation, but I can do that and still have a Stoke accent.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 10, 2017 13:04:07 GMT
If you live down south for years your accent mellows...it's not rocket science. Agreed - my accent has softened a little after years abroad as well, although it is still there and gets stronger when talking to Stoke mates/family or going back home, but it seemed he made a conscious effort to lose it, to go all "plummy", at one time. I worked in India for 4 months in the 90s and I had to really consciously change my pronunciation of certain words to be understood. I'm pretty sure I was sounding 'plummy' for a while and I think it changed my way of speaking forever. I was aware I had to over exaggerate certain vowels in some words etc, it sounded quite ridiculous to me at times and other native English speakers have picked up on it from time to time too. Depends how your accent & pronunciation is in the first place and where you are applying it.
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Post by ruts66 on Aug 10, 2017 13:06:00 GMT
Late 70's, I remember seeing Garth get racist abuse at The Goldstone Ground, Brighton.
Bananas thrown on the pitch, monkey noises, the lot.
Must have been tough being a black kid in front of a sea of white faces back then...
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Post by stokiekm on Aug 10, 2017 13:09:56 GMT
Garth acually refers to Stoke as 'we'! And says we'll come between 6th-10th! He obviously doesn't read stuff on here. If he did he sure wouldn't say 'the fans love the players '.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 13:26:37 GMT
The Barry Sidall horror show is seconds into the second half
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Post by borges on Aug 10, 2017 13:48:06 GMT
It's sad to see the vitriol that some Stoke fans reserve for Garth, especially when you consider that he essentially had a 1 in 3 record for Stoke during his 5 seasons as a professional for the club, all before his 23rd birthday. That alone should means he should command a certain amount of respect, but some people can't being themselves to see past his supposed slights on the city and club.
He very obviously (to me, anyway) still has a Potteries accent, although it's unsurprisingly mellowed after almost 40 years of living outside the city. He might well have had elocution lessons to further his broadcasting career, but they appear to have been a worthwhile investment: he's managed to make a living from the media since the 90s and his is still the only Potteries voice you hear on television, even in an era where the BBC are actively trying to recruit more talent with regional accents.
As for him 'never mentioning that he played for Stoke'; how many of us get annoyed when an ex-pro shows any sort of bias towards a former club? Shearer, Carragher and Lineker all get pelters for supposedly not being objective when it comes to Newcastle, Liverpool and Leicester, but Crooks is castigated for doing exactly the opposite!
I hate to make it about race, but I question whether he'd be remembered far more fondly by some supporters if he were white; ironic, considering you'd be hard pressed to find a player more local to Stoke City FC than Garth Crooks.
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Post by philb on Aug 10, 2017 13:52:23 GMT
Re: pronunciation, surely it depends what job you are in? Teaching English you have to pronounce your h's......same with broadcasting, so maybe not so important in your job, that's fine. Pronunciation is different to an accent. You can say words correctly, but still have an accent. Ask Tony Angelino 😂😂😂
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 10, 2017 14:07:45 GMT
For us living overseas, we get Robbie Earle on NBC Sports football coverage, who clearly retains a very strong Potteries accent despite working in American media......just saying.
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Post by alster on Aug 10, 2017 14:21:57 GMT
It's sad to see the vitriol that some Stoke fans reserve for Garth, especially when you consider that he essentially had a 1 in 3 record for Stoke during his 5 seasons as a professional for the club, all before his 23rd birthday. That alone should means he should command a certain amount of respect, but some people can't being themselves to see past his supposed slights on the city and club. He very obviously (to me, anyway) still has a Potteries accent, although it's unsurprisingly mellowed after almost 40 years of living outside the city. He might well have had elocution lessons to further his broadcasting career, but they appear to have been a worthwhile investment: he's managed to make a living from the media since the 90s and his is still the only Potteries voice you hear on television, even in an era where the BBC are actively trying to recruit more talent with regional accents. As for him 'never mentioning that he played for Stoke'; how many of us get annoyed when an ex-pro shows any sort of bias towards a former club? Shearer, Carragher and Lineker all get pelters for supposedly not being objective when it comes to Newcastle, Liverpool and Leicester, but Crooks is castigated for doing exactly the opposite! I hate to make it about race, but I question whether he'd be remembered far more fondly by some supporters if he were white; ironic, considering you'd be hard pressed to find a player more local to Stoke City FC than Garth Crooks. I don't think it was just an accent thing. He seemed to become a posh London bloke which annoyed people who knew his roots were poor working class potteries. Some people say the same about Coates but I'd never heard of him before he was some posh bloke from a different social class.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 10, 2017 14:23:30 GMT
so you dont think 'having to drop your Stoke pronunciation' is bollocks then? I would say accent and pronunciation are intertwined with each other. Stoke accent invariably (at least when I was growing up in Fenton) meant dropping h's Now you are getting into the realms of dialect, which is a wholly different matter. No, I don't speak in legal meetings like "ow fer towk rate in staffycher", or call my clients duck - there has to be some accommodation to the situation, but I can do that and still have a Stoke accent. Accent is pronunciation. That's exactly what it is. Dialect means words or phrases that are specific to an area. "Owrate" is the word "alright" pronounced in a North Staffs accent, it's not a dialectical word in the same way "nesh" is, for example.
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Post by borges on Aug 10, 2017 14:45:00 GMT
It's sad to see the vitriol that some Stoke fans reserve for Garth, especially when you consider that he essentially had a 1 in 3 record for Stoke during his 5 seasons as a professional for the club, all before his 23rd birthday. That alone should means he should command a certain amount of respect, but some people can't being themselves to see past his supposed slights on the city and club. He very obviously (to me, anyway) still has a Potteries accent, although it's unsurprisingly mellowed after almost 40 years of living outside the city. He might well have had elocution lessons to further his broadcasting career, but they appear to have been a worthwhile investment: he's managed to make a living from the media since the 90s and his is still the only Potteries voice you hear on television, even in an era where the BBC are actively trying to recruit more talent with regional accents. As for him 'never mentioning that he played for Stoke'; how many of us get annoyed when an ex-pro shows any sort of bias towards a former club? Shearer, Carragher and Lineker all get pelters for supposedly not being objective when it comes to Newcastle, Liverpool and Leicester, but Crooks is castigated for doing exactly the opposite! I hate to make it about race, but I question whether he'd be remembered far more fondly by some supporters if he were white; ironic, considering you'd be hard pressed to find a player more local to Stoke City FC than Garth Crooks. I don't think it was just an accent thing. He seemed to become a posh London bloke which annoyed people who knew his roots were poor working class potteries. Some people say the same about Coates but I'd never heard of him before he was some posh bloke from a different social class. So when his playing career ended, Garth should have known his place, come back to Stoke and gone down the pit? He's done well for himself, and all off his own back, too- I'm not sure why anyone else would be annoyed by that.
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