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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 14:40:44 GMT
Wollscheid could put in a performance on par with Bobby Moore v Brazil ,Mexico 1970 and it wouldn't matter one jot to some who have already made their minds up,largely due to who he isn't rather than who he is. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind there are folk who actually WANT him to perform badly. Fucking this. Even though (being a dopey bastard for Negredo's goal aside) he looked really solid and was quietly impressive on Sat, it's not good enough for the 'HE'S NOT HUTH' brigade. I bet I've poked the hornet's nest btw
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 15, 2016 14:41:51 GMT
how dare you praise the scapegoat!? Don't you know he wears gloves and runs funny? I'm not sure any outfield player should wear gloves!!
There was a time in the 90s when it was widespread no matter the weather, players wore them like fashion accessories - must have thought they were receivers in the NFL
Around the same time, they all had this thing for cycling shorts as well - another fad that's disappeared
I bet Denis Smith never wore gloves
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 15, 2016 14:54:19 GMT
One game in and we have this hatred bollocks again by the same posters And the crazy thing is he actually had a good game He runs funny though mate and he does some crazy "jazz hands" shit. His name isn't Robert Huth as well so courtesy of those 3 things he's wank regardless of how well he played. I thought we were shit on Saturday and an excellent goal saved our blushes. Only Wooly and Imbula emerged with any real credit yet still people criticise him.
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Post by multiplescoregasms on Aug 15, 2016 14:57:00 GMT
He could make no mistakes all season and be flawless and I would still get worried every time he came near the ball, has the ability just don't think he quite has a footballing brain at the minute.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 15, 2016 15:06:15 GMT
One game in and we have this hatred bollocks again by the same posters And the crazy thing is he actually had a good game He runs funny though mate and he does some crazy "jazz hands" shit. His name isn't Robert Huth as well so courtesy of those 3 things he's wank regardless of how well he played. I thought we were shit on Saturday and an excellent goal saved our blushes. Only Wooly and Imbula emerged with any real credit yet still people criticise him. That's not really what has happened on this thread is it. Someone opened with the entirely ludicrous notion that he had and I quote, 'a great game'. He didn't he was the best of a very bad bunch in a back four, was involved in the goal and like most players on the day a 5/10. It seems the treatment of this player goes two ways. "Great game", my arse!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2016 15:10:58 GMT
He runs funny though mate and he does some crazy "jazz hands" shit. His name isn't Robert Huth as well so courtesy of those 3 things he's wank regardless of how well he played. I thought we were shit on Saturday and an excellent goal saved our blushes. Only Wooly and Imbula emerged with any real credit yet still people criticise him. That's not really what has happened on this thread is it. Someone opened with the entirely ludicrous notion that he had and I quote, 'a great game'. He didn't he was the best of a very bad bunch in a back four, was involved in the goal and like most players on the day a 5/10. It seems the treatment of this player goes two ways. "Great game", my arse! Seems fair to me. The only player I'd give more than a 5 is Imbula from Saturday.
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 15, 2016 15:17:47 GMT
He's an average player, not terrible, not brilliant
I think he's excellent as second choice CB, can be relied on to step in
But I don't think he should be the first choice partner for Ryan. He's actually taking flak for being a decent squad player and possibly being elevated to a level of responsibility that exceeds his skill set.
As for a funny run, well when you think about it the basic concept of running around chasing a ball is quite funny to start with!
He shouldn't be scapegoated and neither should he be lifted to the level of Steve Bould either. The Oatcake is a polarising place with firm views usually to the left or right on every issue, never in the middle.
Fact of the matter is, as it stands, we'd be fucked if he got injured this week!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2016 15:18:35 GMT
He's an average player, not terrible, not brilliant I think he's excellent as second choice CB, can be relied on to step in But I don't think he should be the first choice partner for Ryan. He's actually taking flak for being a decent squad player and possibly being elevated to a level of responsibility that exceeds his skill set. As for a funny run, well when you think about it the basic concept of running around chasing a ball is quite funny to start with! He shouldn't be scapegoated and neither should he be lifted to the level of Steve Bould either. The Oatcake is a polarising place with firm views usually to the left or right on every issue, never in the middle. Fact of the matter is, as it stands, we'd be fucked if he got injured this week! Muni would come in, we really wouldn't.
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 15, 2016 15:18:36 GMT
That's not really what has happened on this thread is it. Someone opened with the entirely ludicrous notion that he had and I quote, 'a great game'. He didn't he was the best of a very bad bunch in a back four, was involved in the goal and like most players on the day a 5/10. It seems the treatment of this player goes two ways. "Great game", my arse! Seems fair to me. The only player I'd give more than a 5 is Imbula from Saturday. Shaqiri?? If only for the goal?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2016 15:19:32 GMT
Seems fair to me. The only player I'd give more than a 5 is Imbula from Saturday. Shaqiri?? If only for the goal? Nah, he was pretty awful I thought. The goal bumps him up from a 3..... I thought we were wank on Saturday though in all areas. We couldn't defend and we didn't create anything in open play.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 15, 2016 15:20:21 GMT
So much black and white, when in reality it is varying shades of grey (not 50 though).
Wolly is okay - pluses are technical ability, passing, reading of game and height, negatives are runs strangely and very slowly, quick temper, lapses in concentration and lack of physicality (forget the bloody gloves!). He is neither wonderful nor terrible, like most of our defenders. He will play well and he will play poorly, often even in the same game, let alone from one game to the next.
Will he do okay for us if we do not bring in a replacement? Probably. Should we be aiming for better if we want to consolidate a top 10 place? Probably.
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 15, 2016 15:34:58 GMT
So much black and white, when in reality it is varying shades of grey (not 50 though). Wolly is okay - pluses are technical ability, passing, reading of game and height, negatives are runs strangely and very slowly, quick temper, lapses in concentration and lack of physicality (forget the bloody gloves!). He is neither wonderful nor terrible, like most of our defenders. He will play well and he will play poorly, often even in the same game, let alone from one game to the next. Will he do okay for us if we do not bring in a replacement? Probably. Should we be aiming for better if we want to consolidate a top 10 place? Probably. Very sensible post
If he was that good or any of them were they wouldn't be playing at Stoke in the first place
We may well still only have Ryan because of injury issues and lack of England recognition
We're never going to have an Adams/Bould or Pallister/Bruce or Hendry/Berg or a John Terry at the heart of defence
We can do better but maybe need to recognise the level we can attract
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 15, 2016 16:12:30 GMT
Looking forward to seeing how the Shawcross Wolf partnership transpires this season. I've had me doubts about them as a pairing. Always seemed to be an undercurrent of Pushmepullyou battle for the dominant role, and for the right hand side. But Ryan has been crocked for most of their appearances together. So I'm looking forward to seeing how it pans out. Can't believe he's adapted so well to the left berth so far.
Yes he's a bit slow, but generally his positioning compensates for that, yes he's a bit effete, but I don't see him as weak. I'll call Adrian Street for the defence.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 15, 2016 16:18:49 GMT
I'd love us to bring in an upgrade on wolly, shit I'd even want an upgrade on shawcross if there's one available. While they're here though they're the best we have.
But it still won't stop the usual few with an agenda though.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 15, 2016 16:21:57 GMT
He's an average player, not terrible, not brilliant I think he's excellent as second choice CB, can be relied on to step in But I don't think he should be the first choice partner for Ryan. He's actually taking flak for being a decent squad player and possibly being elevated to a level of responsibility that exceeds his skill set. As for a funny run, well when you think about it the basic concept of running around chasing a ball is quite funny to start with! He shouldn't be scapegoated and neither should he be lifted to the level of Steve Bould either. The Oatcake is a polarising place with firm views usually to the left or right on every issue, never in the middle. Fact of the matter is, as it stands, we'd be fucked if he got injured this week! Muni would come in, we really wouldn't. So on the basis of last season, you would play Muni ahead of Wolly at center back? Sometimes I wonder what games you watch. I like Muni and think there could be a decent player in there somewhere if he could stay fit, but his performances at center half have been fucking dreadful. I've never seen any of our defenders get pulled out of position as much as Muni, and for somebody who was schooled at Barcelona, his ability to lose posession under no pressure at all is hard to comprehend.
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 15, 2016 16:23:37 GMT
Looking forward to seeing how the Shawcross Wolf partnership transpires this season. I've had me doubts about them as a pairing. Always seemed to be an undercurrent of Pushmepullyou battle for the dominant role, and for the right hand side. But Ryan has been crocked for most of their appearances together.So I'm looking forward to seeing how it pans out. Can't believe he's adapted so well to the left berth so far. Yes he's a bit slow, but generally his positioning compensates for that, yes he's a bit effete, but I don't see him as weak. I'll call Adrian Street for the defence. Very good point you raise there Cheese, things might be different with a bang on form Shawcross to show him the ropes
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 15, 2016 16:28:04 GMT
I like Wollscheid, I think he is great on the ground tackling and passing but I think could use some jumping skills and garner more of a presence when he's marking. I don't think he's "great," but I think he's definitely above average and improving and with the likes of Cameron and Muniesa being right there to call up, I'd like to see what Hughes does with Wilson seemingly out the door. Does he go for a starter or another good CB to make competition. I'd like to think maybe a swap with a championship club or even WBA for a center-back is in order?
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 15, 2016 16:32:10 GMT
I like Wollscheid, I think he is great on the ground tackling and passing but I think could use some jumping skills and garner more of a presence when he's marking. I don't think he's "great," but I think he's definitely above average and improving and with the likes of Cameron and Muniesa being right there to call up, I'd like to see what Hughes does with Wilson seemingly out the door. Does he go for a starter or another good CB to make competition. I'd like to think maybe a swap with a championship club or even WBA for a center-back is in order?You really don't know what youre letting yourself in for....
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 15, 2016 16:35:55 GMT
I like Wollscheid, I think he is great on the ground tackling and passing but I think could use some jumping skills and garner more of a presence when he's marking. I don't think he's "great," but I think he's definitely above average and improving and with the likes of Cameron and Muniesa being right there to call up, I'd like to see what Hughes does with Wilson seemingly out the door. Does he go for a starter or another good CB to make competition. I'd like to think maybe a swap with a championship club or even WBA for a center-back is in order?You really don't know what youre letting yourself in for.... I think I can handle it boss.
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 15, 2016 16:38:15 GMT
You really don't know what youre letting yourself in for.... I think I can handle it boss. To be fair you've had to put up with the Bush family!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 15, 2016 16:40:26 GMT
Looking forward to seeing how the Shawcross Wolf partnership transpires this season. I've had me doubts about them as a pairing. Always seemed to be an undercurrent of Pushmepullyou battle for the dominant role, and for the right hand side. But Ryan has been crocked for most of their appearances together.So I'm looking forward to seeing how it pans out. Can't believe he's adapted so well to the left berth so far. Yes he's a bit slow, but generally his positioning compensates for that, yes he's a bit effete, but I don't see him as weak. I'll call Adrian Street for the defence. Very good point you raise there Cheese, things might be different with a bang on form Shawcross to show him the ropes Not so sure about the 'showing the ropes' thing. Just work on complimenting/covering each other. Partnerships take time, and usually some struggles along the way. We'll see mate.
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 15, 2016 16:43:07 GMT
I think I can handle it boss. To be fair you've had to put up with the Bush family! Hahaha to be honest, they aren't the worst we've had in sometime. But they aren't really Texan either, they are more like a transplant who bought up alot of something ala Man City and the sheikhs.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2016 16:46:35 GMT
Muni would come in, we really wouldn't. So on the basis of last season, you would play Muni ahead of Wolly at center back? Sometimes I wonder what games you watch. I like Muni and think there could be a decent player in there somewhere if he could stay fit, but his performances at center half have been fucking dreadful. I've never seen any of our defenders get pulled out of position as much as Muni, and for somebody who was schooled at Barcelona, his ability to lose posession under no pressure at all is hard to comprehend. He was poor last season but the season before he performed excellently at CB. His passing is the best of the bunch too. And he and Ryan generally form a good partnership, Wolly and Ryan do not.
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