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Post by trentvale68 on Jul 5, 2016 21:26:46 GMT
You cannot avoid economic reality, the die has been cast since 2008 and all the Keynesian tricks it the world cannot stop the inevitable correction that is needed, will brexit be the catalyst for it ? maybe, but nobody can say it was the cause of our problems by a long shot! If you can blame all economic problems from here on out on Brexit, then can we, retrospectively, blame every economic disasters pre june 2016 on us being a part of the european union ? Totally correct
Whether In or Out, the levels of world debt cannot possibly continue- some of it will have to be written off or else there will be a serious depression, never mind recession
This is coming regardless of this insignificant little vote!
Of course the likes of Rockefeller, Jacob Rothschild, George Soros, Warren Buffet will all be alright!!
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Jul 5, 2016 21:36:44 GMT
Who mentioned immigration? I didn't but then again there's the truth coming out. Do you think we are in any position to negotiate with the EU on free movement free trade or anything else. We've chose out so don't think they will be queuing up to bend over backwards to help us. Shaft us yes but not help.
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Post by desman2 on Jul 5, 2016 21:39:37 GMT
You cannot avoid economic reality, the die has been cast since 2008 and all the Keynesian tricks it the world cannot stop the inevitable correction that is needed, will brexit be the catalyst for it ? maybe, but nobody can say it was the cause of our problems by a long shot! If you can blame all economic problems from here on out on Brexit, then can we, retrospectively, blame every economic disasters pre june 2016 on us being a part of the european union ? Totally correct
Whether In or Out, the levels of world debt cannot possibly continue- some of it will have to be written off or else there will be a serious depression, never mind recession
This is coming regardless of this insignificant little vote!
Of course the likes of Rockefeller, Jacob Rothschild, George Soros, Warren Buffet will all be alright!!
And who does that little band of crooks lobby heavily. The European Union.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 5, 2016 21:40:16 GMT
I love these Remain voters... FTSE and/or £ goes down any amount - "Brexit, Brexit!!! This is all to do with Brexit!!! We warned you, we fucking warned you!!!". FTSE and/or £ goes up any amount - "Oh well you can't judge anything yet, it'll take years for it to all settle down. Only a fool would take any notice of what is happeneing right now". FTSE and/or £ goes down any amount - "Brexit, Brexit!!! This is all to do with Brexit!!! We warned you, we fucking warned you!!!".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 21:43:40 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 5, 2016 21:45:41 GMT
Come then how will we be better off for it????? Don't tell me when free movement is stopped and all those who came here looking to better themselves and pay their taxes fair and square have had to leave the country; their places in the NHS etc etc etc etc will be filled by the hordes of.................who exactly the ex pats who will have to come back home????? Anyone coming here with a job and/or qualifcation and/or trade we need will still be able to come here. We'll also be opening up our doors to be even handed to people who're unfortunate enough to be born outside of the EU... See, currently we favour EU member nationals over non-EU member nationals (How rasict/bigoted/xenophobic is that!) Where as post-Brexit our Great country will be open to the best the entire world has to offer.
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Jul 5, 2016 21:47:32 GMT
Fucking hells bells that's one hell of a dream mate. Can I have some of what your on?
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Post by desman2 on Jul 5, 2016 21:47:44 GMT
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Jul 5, 2016 21:53:07 GMT
I think by the time the lawyers have finished arguing over this we will all be pushing up daisies anyway and Putin will be our Lord and Master.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 5, 2016 22:26:27 GMT
You cannot avoid economic reality, the die has been cast since 2008 and all the Keynesian tricks it the world cannot stop the inevitable correction that is needed, will brexit be the catalyst for it ? maybe, but nobody can say it was the cause of our problems by a long shot! If you can blame all economic problems from here on out on Brexit, then can we, retrospectively, blame every economic disasters pre june 2016 on us being a part of the european union ? True, but is anyone saying ALL our economic problems from here on in are as a result of Brexit? Or is it just that we were warned a lot of this shit would happen and its starting. We haven't even tried fucking leaving yet! Sounds to me like some Leave voters are trying to position themselves with excuses about how its nothing to do with Brexit already! As someone e else said, us Leave voters have just made a shitty economic outlook a whole lot worse and for what, so Farage and Cameron and Johnson can have their own private cock measuring contest then fuck off at the first hint of trouble, so we can replace an unelected head of Europe with an unelected PM, so we can rack up even more debt and have austerity throughout the 2020s trying to pay off our budget deficits. Fucking conned I tell you and it'll be the poor who suffer most as well. I regret voting Leave more every day. Absolutely fucking conned by those on the Leave side.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 22:32:50 GMT
You cannot avoid economic reality, the die has been cast since 2008 and all the Keynesian tricks it the world cannot stop the inevitable correction that is needed, will brexit be the catalyst for it ? maybe, but nobody can say it was the cause of our problems by a long shot! If you can blame all economic problems from here on out on Brexit, then can we, retrospectively, blame every economic disasters pre june 2016 on us being a part of the european union ? True, but is anyone saying ALL our economic problems from here on in are as a result of Brexit? Or is it just that we were warned a lot of this shit would happen and its starting. We haven't even tried fucking leaving yet! Sounds to me like some Leave voters are trying to position themselves with excuses about how its nothing to do with Brexit already! As someone e else said, us Leave voters have just made a shitty economic outlook a whole lot worse and for what, so Farage and Cameron and Johnson can have their own private cock measuring contest then fuck off at the first hint of trouble, so we can replace an unelected head of Europe with an unelected PM, so we can rack up even more debt and have austerity throughout the 2020s trying to pay off our budget deficits. Fucking conned I tell you and it'll be the poor who suffer most as well. I regret voting Leave more every day. Absolutely fucking conned by those on the Leave side. Your a mug
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Post by upnorth on Jul 5, 2016 23:30:21 GMT
Come then how will we be better off for it????? Don't tell me when free movement is stopped and all those who came here looking to better themselves and pay their taxes fair and square have had to leave the country; their places in the NHS etc etc etc etc will be filled by the hordes of.................who exactly the ex pats who will have to come back home????? Whos said theyll be kicked out. Put the statement on here and we might believe you. Well when the Brexit miracle doesn't happen and the economy tanks who will UKIP blame for that? My guess is that the R word won't be far away. Then wait for the million pensioners in Spain and France to be sent back and you will really find out what pressure on the NHS is all about. Oh sorry, there won't be any doctors or nurses to treat them or carers to mop up their sh1t.
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Post by upnorth on Jul 5, 2016 23:39:40 GMT
Come then how will we be better off for it????? Don't tell me when free movement is stopped and all those who came here looking to better themselves and pay their taxes fair and square have had to leave the country; their places in the NHS etc etc etc etc will be filled by the hordes of.................who exactly the ex pats who will have to come back home????? and what about all the hospital beds, houses and school places that are being taken by immigrants???
Youre not going to suggest that there isn't significant pressure on all of those by the sheer amount of people coming into the country?!!
On the contrary, they are stopping the whole system falling apart. They are treating our ageing population and caring for the elderly while making very few demands on the NHS. They are mainly young, healthy and single whereas the endemic population is growing old and needing care.
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Post by upnorth on Jul 5, 2016 23:43:31 GMT
Come then how will we be better off for it????? Don't tell me when free movement is stopped and all those who came here looking to better themselves and pay their taxes fair and square have had to leave the country; their places in the NHS etc etc etc etc will be filled by the hordes of.................who exactly the ex pats who will have to come back home????? Anyone coming here with a job and/or qualifcation and/or trade we need will still be able to come here. We'll also be opening up our doors to be even handed to people who're unfortunate enough to be born outside of the EU... See, currently we favour EU member nationals over non-EU member nationals (How rasict/bigoted/xenophobic is that!) Where as post-Brexit our Great country will be open to the best the entire world has to offer. Do you really think that's what most leavers voted for? Dream on!!!
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Post by upnorth on Jul 5, 2016 23:48:28 GMT
Do you only read the Daily Express to get your balanced view of the world or do you sneak a look at the Mail and the Sun just to confirm your paranoia?
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 6, 2016 3:25:41 GMT
Better to struggle through it now, rather than when the EU collapses. It won't be forever. I can't understand why people want to be governed by a european parliment anyway. We'll see if you feel the same way in 2 or 3 years when austerity has been ratcheted up a few notches, unemployment is through the roof and your pension is worth pennies on the pound. The EU is going nowhere. There are two paths if we leave. It stays exactly as it is and the whole Brexit episode is forgotten, in which case we get left behind. Or it may well reform into a better organisation, but we'll no longer be part of it to reap the benefits. Either way we lose.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 6, 2016 6:04:21 GMT
Come then how will we be better off for it????? Don't tell me when free movement is stopped and all those who came here looking to better themselves and pay their taxes fair and square have had to leave the country; their places in the NHS etc etc etc etc will be filled by the hordes of.................who exactly the ex pats who will have to come back home????? and what about all the hospital beds, houses and school places that are being taken by immigrants???
Youre not going to suggest that there isn't significant pressure on all of those by the sheer amount of people coming into the country?!!
Do you think that if, instead of immigrants, we'd just had more babies years ago, that would have mean things would be better, worse or about the same for the NHS, schools etc?
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Post by tuum on Jul 6, 2016 6:11:37 GMT
Better to struggle through it now, rather than when the EU collapses. It won't be forever. I can't understand why people want to be governed by a european parliment anyway. We'll see if you feel the same way in 2 or 3 years when austerity has been ratcheted up a few notches, unemployment is through the roof and your pension is worth pennies on the pound. The EU is going nowhere. There are two paths if we leave. It stays exactly as it is and the whole Brexit episode is forgotten, in which case we get left behind. Or it may well reform into a better organisation, but we'll no longer be part of it to reap the benefits. Either way we lose. You honestly believe the EU will stay as it is or get better? I can only see the EU going one way and that is down. It will only get worse. Any changes due to pressure from other pissed of nations will take years to enact and the EU will only reform if there is a threat of revolution in the air. By then, it will be too late. The decision has been made for the UK. We need to show some positivity and get on with moving forward. The behavior and actions of the political classes in the last two weeks has been appalling and sets a really bad example to the rest of the population. It is this behavior/fallout that is causing the current concern. It will pass eventually but it could have been managed better if our politicians had waited a few weeks before the backstabbing & infighting began...but they couldn't help themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 6:35:36 GMT
Better to struggle through it now, rather than when the EU collapses. It won't be forever. I can't understand why people want to be governed by a european parliment anyway. We'll see if you feel the same way in 2 or 3 years when austerity has been ratcheted up a few notches, unemployment is through the roof and your pension is worth pennies on the pound. The EU is going nowhere. There are two paths if we leave. It stays exactly as it is and the whole Brexit episode is forgotten, in which case we get left behind. Or it may well reform into a better organisation, but we'll no longer be part of it to reap the benefits. Either way we lose. Similar thing happened to my family after The Tories got in
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2016 6:50:38 GMT
True, but is anyone saying ALL our economic problems from here on in are as a result of Brexit? Or is it just that we were warned a lot of this shit would happen and its starting. We haven't even tried fucking leaving yet! Sounds to me like some Leave voters are trying to position themselves with excuses about how its nothing to do with Brexit already! As someone e else said, us Leave voters have just made a shitty economic outlook a whole lot worse and for what, so Farage and Cameron and Johnson can have their own private cock measuring contest then fuck off at the first hint of trouble, so we can replace an unelected head of Europe with an unelected PM, so we can rack up even more debt and have austerity throughout the 2020s trying to pay off our budget deficits. Fucking conned I tell you and it'll be the poor who suffer most as well. I regret voting Leave more every day. Absolutely fucking conned by those on the Leave side. Your a mug No mate just someone who isn't scared to call it like it is. I got it wrong, so did millions of others. Admitting it isn't about losing face, a perennial problem on here, its about doing the right thing. Rarely, if ever, have two of the main drivers behind a policy change decided to fuck off rather than see it through, and this despite winning. Says it all IMO. I see the pound is tanking again, the FTSE 250 took another dive and another lot of investment firms had to refuse to allow their own customers access to their money yesterday because so many were wanting to withdraw it. I repeat, we haven't even started yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 6:50:40 GMT
Better to struggle through it now, rather than when the EU collapses. It won't be forever. I can't understand why people want to be governed by a european parliment anyway. We'll see if you feel the same way in 2 or 3 years when austerity has been ratcheted up a few notches, unemployment is through the roof and your pension is worth pennies on the pound. The EU is going nowhere. There are two paths if we leave. It stays exactly as it is and the whole Brexit episode is forgotten, in which case we get left behind. Or it may well reform into a better organisation, but we'll no longer be part of it to reap the benefits. Either way we lose. If france hold a referendum, they could easily vote leave too, it is likely that they will get one too. The way pensions are going, i don't think i will receive one by the time i am that old. However old i might have to be by then. We will not be left behind, we are going through a transition period. Politicians are just worried about their gravy train. As for these bankers making statements every other day, i wonder how much money they are making out of it. Everytime they or osbourne speak the pound takes a hit. I wonder if they are playing the system, exchanging currency before they speak. Is mark carney trying to become a celebrity, i had never seen him before, now he is on tv everyday. I wish these politicians would just shut up and do what they have been told to do. If they spent more time working and less time moaning, the country will be back on it's feet a lot quicker. It's shameful the way these politicians have acted since the result, for people so educated (supposedly) they act like spoilt children not getting their own way. Teresa may says she just gets on with the job, she ought to educate the rest of them if she becomes PM.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 6:57:47 GMT
No mate just someone who isn't scared to call it like it is. I got it wrong, so did millions of others. Admitting it isn't about losing face, a perennial problem on here, its about doing the right thing. Rarely, if ever, have two of the main drivers behind a policy change decided to fuck off rather than see it through, and this despite winning. Says it all IMO. I see the pound is tanking again, the FTSE 250 took another dive and another lot of investment firms had to refuse to allow their own customers access to their money yesterday because so many were wanting to withdraw it. I repeat, we haven't even started yet. It depends why you voted, i voted because i don't want our country to be governed by a european parliment. Which is the final phase of the EU project. They have had some control now but the plan is for them to have full control. Now that really does not appeal to me, no matter how bad things look at the moment.
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 6, 2016 7:04:21 GMT
We'll see if you feel the same way in 2 or 3 years when austerity has been ratcheted up a few notches, unemployment is through the roof and your pension is worth pennies on the pound. The EU is going nowhere. There are two paths if we leave. It stays exactly as it is and the whole Brexit episode is forgotten, in which case we get left behind. Or it may well reform into a better organisation, but we'll no longer be part of it to reap the benefits. Either way we lose. You honestly believe the EU will stay as it is or get better? I can only see the EU going one way and that is down. It will only get worse. Any changes due to pressure from other pissed of nations will take years to enact and the EU will only reform if there is a threat of revolution in the air. By then, it will be too late. The decision has been made for the UK. We need to show some positivity and get on with moving forward. The behavior and actions of the political classes in the last two weeks has been appalling and sets a really bad example to the rest of the population. It is this behavior/fallout that is causing the current concern. It will pass eventually but it could have been managed better if our politicians had waited a few weeks before the backstabbing & infighting began...but they couldn't help themselves. There is no way the EU collapses and we all go back to Francs, Deutschmarks and individual governments. The entire world depends on it and it won't be allowed to happen. Most importantly though, the EU is not that bad. They'll either sweep this under the carpet and carry on, or they'll learn a lesson and improve things. I really don't see anyone else calling a referendum after they've seen the mess ours has caused.
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 6, 2016 7:05:08 GMT
We'll see if you feel the same way in 2 or 3 years when austerity has been ratcheted up a few notches, unemployment is through the roof and your pension is worth pennies on the pound. The EU is going nowhere. There are two paths if we leave. It stays exactly as it is and the whole Brexit episode is forgotten, in which case we get left behind. Or it may well reform into a better organisation, but we'll no longer be part of it to reap the benefits. Either way we lose. Similar thing happened to my family after The Tories got in So that's reason enough to vote for it to happen again?
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Post by starkiller on Jul 6, 2016 7:15:14 GMT
Carney needs removing.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 6, 2016 7:43:27 GMT
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 6, 2016 7:49:04 GMT
You cannot avoid economic reality, the die has been cast since 2008 and all the Keynesian tricks it the world cannot stop the inevitable correction that is needed, will brexit be the catalyst for it ? maybe, but nobody can say it was the cause of our problems by a long shot! If you can blame all economic problems from here on out on Brexit, then can we, retrospectively, blame every economic disasters pre june 2016 on us being a part of the european union ? I'm not saying brexit is the cause of economic problems because they already existed, what I'm saying is that brexit is exacerbating those pre-existing economic issues. Unnecessarily so.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 6, 2016 7:53:13 GMT
Why? Because the 'Leave' lot don't like somebody who hangs around to stop/mitigate the mess they've caused! This country is extremely lucky to have such a stunningly brilliant central banker as Governor. Of course, we could replace him with a non-expert? There must be loads of 'Leave' people with fewer than two G.C.S.E.s to choose from?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 8:19:02 GMT
Similar thing happened to my family after The Tories got in So that's reason enough to vote for it to happen again? Oh please
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 6, 2016 8:23:13 GMT
You cannot avoid economic reality, the die has been cast since 2008 and all the Keynesian tricks it the world cannot stop the inevitable correction that is needed, will brexit be the catalyst for it ? maybe, but nobody can say it was the cause of our problems by a long shot! If you can blame all economic problems from here on out on Brexit, then can we, retrospectively, blame every economic disasters pre june 2016 on us being a part of the european union ? I'm not saying brexit is the cause of economic problems because they already existed, what I'm saying is that brexit is exacerbating those pre-existing economic issues. Unnecessarily so. Or Osborne is using Brexit to cover up his own failures?
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