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Post by LDE76 on Jun 29, 2016 21:46:03 GMT
Hoddle's not a brilliant man-manager is he? I can imagine him taking Jack Wilshere to one side and telling him it's his own fault for being a member of an Einsatzgruppe in a former life.
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Post by samba :) on Jun 29, 2016 22:03:57 GMT
Jeff and the boys minus Jeff and the Scottish one,
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 30, 2016 9:56:15 GMT
Marginal gains ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibnJJzaA6ZhfTOIekEAf.gif)
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Post by metalhead on Jun 30, 2016 10:31:35 GMT
Klinsmann would be a good choice. Can't see him falling for the FA bullshit either. He would pick good players, respective of their teams.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 30, 2016 10:36:47 GMT
There is literally no one on the list that inspires any confidence.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 30, 2016 10:39:38 GMT
There is literally no one on the list that inspires any confidence. Yep unless they can pull a Pochettino or Bilic out (and they can't), this is going to be the most underwhelming appointment since......Roy! Klinsmann new favHas anyone actually read any views about him in America? He's viewed as a clown.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 30, 2016 10:44:23 GMT
There is literally no one on the list that inspires any confidence. Yep unless they can pull a Pochettino or Bilic out (and they can't), this is going to be the most underwhelming appointment since......Roy! Klinsmann new favHas anyone actually read any views about him in America? He's viewed as a clown. Yeah, I think I'd rather have an Allardyce or someone than Klinsmann. Strikes me as a blagger who isn't massively up for it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 30, 2016 11:56:15 GMT
Yep unless they can pull a Pochettino or Bilic out (and they can't), this is going to be the most underwhelming appointment since......Roy! Klinsmann new favHas anyone actually read any views about him in America? He's viewed as a clown. Yeah, I think I'd rather have an Allardyce or someone than Klinsmann. Strikes me as a blagger who isn't massively up for it. They lost to Guatemala recently.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jun 30, 2016 12:59:22 GMT
The more I read about those we are rumoured to be interested in, the more I yearn for someone like Guus Hiddink. As far as assistants, why don't we identify a young group of English coaches, who take turns to be involved on a game by game basis, to get exposure to international football, learn from him and also show if they have what it takes to succeed him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 13:31:25 GMT
If it has to bd an all English camp I would say Hoddle on a 2 year contract with a strong eye on succession. Not ideal but he doesnt have some of the problems the other have. Although does he want it back? Hi Joe. Congratulations. I only just noticed, and did a countback, and reckon this was post No 60,000....It's been a journey and long may it continue... How long are you in France for, then off to Blighty I guess...
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 30, 2016 13:53:48 GMT
After Claudio Ranieri's achievements with Leicester, I would have expected his name to be among the contenders. especially after his success with Greece
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 30, 2016 20:08:45 GMT
Pro-Allardyce column here. Goo on Big Sam!
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Post by petemac on Jun 30, 2016 20:14:18 GMT
Big Sam would be ideal. He will put players in the correct positions and telling them they are nothing special unless they are a team. All the "so called" superstars would be punched in the face just for trying to dilly, dally with the ball. But im sure my oasis does not exist ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by jezzascfc on Jun 30, 2016 20:26:12 GMT
Pro-Allardyce column here. Goo on Big Sam! Avid readers of the Oatie this past week know my views - Big Sam is the man. Of course, just like Cloughie was the man in the late '70s and we got Ron Greenwood, the FA will find a way of getting a "yes man" who fits in with the blazer brigade and nothing much will change......
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 30, 2016 21:08:17 GMT
The more I read about those we are rumoured to be interested in, the more I yearn for someone like Guus Hiddink. As far as assistants, why don't we identify a young group of English coaches, who take turns to be involved on a game by game basis, to get exposure to international football, learn from him and also show if they have what it takes to succeed him. Been banging the Hiddink drum as well...top top coach and tactician.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 30, 2016 21:18:35 GMT
The idea that the players just need a bollocking and everything will be fine ignores a big part of the actual problem which is they're terrified of making a mistake. We need to take the pressure off them, not heap more on it.
Of course, because they make so much money we expect them to be robots who aren't affected by basic human conditions.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 30, 2016 21:42:20 GMT
All the papers seem to be claiming the "senior players" want a foreign manager - and Klinsmann and Laurent Blanc are being strongly mentioned.
Christ knows what either of them have got on their CVs to impress anyone.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 30, 2016 21:44:24 GMT
All the papers seem to be claiming the "senior players" want a foreign manager - and Klinsmann and Laurent Blanc are being strongly mentioned. Christ knows what either of them have got on their CVs to impress anyone. I'd probably take Blanc over most of the others. Intelligent bloke.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 30, 2016 21:49:38 GMT
All the papers seem to be claiming the "senior players" want a foreign manager - and Klinsmann and Laurent Blanc are being strongly mentioned. Christ knows what either of them have got on their CVs to impress anyone. I'd probably take Blanc over most of the others. Intelligent bloke. Can't say I'd be bowled over. If he was called Larry White, I doubt he'd be in the mix. Is anyone impressed by winning the equivalent of the Scottish Premier League 3 times in a row with the budget of the rest of the league combined? But looks like we're doing the normal thing of having the next manager as different as possible to the previous one
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 30, 2016 21:52:13 GMT
I'd probably take Blanc over most of the others. Intelligent bloke. Can't say I'd be bowled over. If he was called Larry White, I doubt he'd be in the mix. Is anyone impressed by winning the equivalent of the Scottish Premier League 3 times in a row with the budget of the rest of the league combined? But looks like we're doing the normal thing of having the next manager as different as possible to the previous one Yeah, he's not hugely inspiring either. I think he's set PSG up well in the Champions League though and he seems to value youth and development. Don't agree with the Larry White thing - if an Englishman had won three league titles in France there'd be a campaign to get him in the job pronto. We have people making cases for the bloke who finished 15th in the league vs the bloke who finished 17th, so we're well and truly scraping the barrel regardless.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jun 30, 2016 21:53:17 GMT
It's a complete shambles from top to bottom.
The guys at the top are incompetent and I have no confidence in them to appoint the best man for the job.
As for Hodgson, he's been paid the best part of 20 million and done nothing that me or you couldn't. It was embarrassing 2 years ago and a repeat show at the Euros.
Having said all that though, the players need to take responsibility too. The 11 that are selected should've had enough to beat Iceland regardless of tactics and formation. I'm not saying that part of the game is irrelevant but the players can't shirk their part of the blame.
Our movement was non existent. Intelligence and nous was lacking. We were beat by a team that was more organised and wanted it more. Overseen by a manager (who was also a dentist) paid peanuts in comparison.
Our players freeze on the big stage. Like a rabbit caught in the headlights. We pay them millions the second they show a glimpse of talent, we build them up into superheros in the press but ultimately, they're nowhere near as good as they or we think.
I have no idea what the answer is. Simply changing the manager won't be the quick fix, although it will help if we appoint somebody who knows what he's doing.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 30, 2016 22:10:03 GMT
The idea that the players just need a bollocking and everything will be fine ignores a big part of the actual problem which is they're terrified of making a mistake. We need to take the pressure off them, not heap more on it. Of course, because they make so much money we expect them to be robots who aren't affected by basic human conditions. That was the great stride forward that Sven made after Keegan. They did a whole episode of Horizon on how he overcame the fear of failure with them, and how the pressure on the players prior to the final game at old Wembley vs Germany was so immense that the players were petrified of even putting a foot wrong. I know he'd run his course by the end of his time in charge, but that was a very important step that he made. We seem to have gone backwards since then. That said, I'm sure Allardyce's man management is more nuanced than that of, say, Roy Keane. For me, it's not the thought of him screaming and bawling at the players that's the important bit, no matter how satisfying it would be to see that; it's the organisation that he would bring to the side, and the team ethic. Both of those might go some way towards overcoming the fear of failure, and the problem of too much individualism in the side.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 1, 2016 7:03:14 GMT
The idea that the players just need a bollocking and everything will be fine ignores a big part of the actual problem which is they're terrified of making a mistake. We need to take the pressure off them, not heap more on it. Of course, because they make so much money we expect them to be robots who aren't affected by basic human conditions. That was the great stride forward that Sven made after Keegan. They did a whole episode of Horizon on how he overcame the fear of failure with them, and how the pressure on the players prior to the final game at old Wembley vs Germany was so immense that the players were petrified of even putting a foot wrong. I know he'd run his course by the end of his time in charge, but that was a very important step that he made. We seem to have gone backwards since then. That said, I'm sure Allardyce's man management is more nuanced than that of, say, Roy Keane. For me, it's not the thought of him screaming and bawling at the players that's the important bit, no matter how satisfying it would be to see that; it's the organisation that he would bring to the side, and the team ethic. Both of those might go some way towards overcoming the fear of failure, and the problem of too much individualism in the side. Agree, Sven did to that to a degree (shame it didn't extend to penalties) and overall was comfortably the best England manager we've had this century. Yet he seems to be cast as a failure while we're clamouring for Hoddle to come back. Weird one that... Allardyce would know when to put and arm round them and he does seem to be a good manager. I just think if we're serious about developing the national team the end game can't be lump it up to Andy Carroll. Do we just want a half-flukey moment in the sun like Greece, or do we actually want to put together a half-decent, last eight side again?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 1, 2016 7:27:37 GMT
That was the great stride forward that Sven made after Keegan. They did a whole episode of Horizon on how he overcame the fear of failure with them, and how the pressure on the players prior to the final game at old Wembley vs Germany was so immense that the players were petrified of even putting a foot wrong. I know he'd run his course by the end of his time in charge, but that was a very important step that he made. We seem to have gone backwards since then. That said, I'm sure Allardyce's man management is more nuanced than that of, say, Roy Keane. For me, it's not the thought of him screaming and bawling at the players that's the important bit, no matter how satisfying it would be to see that; it's the organisation that he would bring to the side, and the team ethic. Both of those might go some way towards overcoming the fear of failure, and the problem of too much individualism in the side. Agree, Sven did to that to a degree (shame it didn't extend to penalties) and overall was comfortably the best England manager we've had this century. Yet he seems to be cast as a failure while we're clamouring for Hoddle to come back. Weird one that... Allardyce would know when to put and arm round them and he does seem to be a good manager. I just think if we're serious about developing the national team the end game can't be lump it up to Andy Carroll. Do we just want a half-flukey moment in the sun like Greece, or do we actually want to put together a half-decent, last eight side again? Surely that's a much wider and long term issue than who gets appointed as manager now? I think there should be some attempt to get the current generation of youth academy players to spend time in foreign football cultures, like Eric Dier, amongst other things. I don't think we should see ourselves above the occasional long ball or set piece proficiency, as we seem to now.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 1, 2016 7:45:18 GMT
Agree, Sven did to that to a degree (shame it didn't extend to penalties) and overall was comfortably the best England manager we've had this century. Yet he seems to be cast as a failure while we're clamouring for Hoddle to come back. Weird one that... Allardyce would know when to put and arm round them and he does seem to be a good manager. I just think if we're serious about developing the national team the end game can't be lump it up to Andy Carroll. Do we just want a half-flukey moment in the sun like Greece, or do we actually want to put together a half-decent, last eight side again? Surely that's a much wider and long term issue than who gets appointed as manager now? I think there should be some attempt to get the current generation of youth academy players to spend time in foreign football cultures, like Eric Dier, amongst other things. I don't think we should see ourselves above the occasional long ball or set piece proficiency, as we seem to now. Allardyce isn't about 'the occasional' one though is he? I just don't want another attempted quick fix. We should have something more holistic to work towards at all levels. As far as the present day goes, we have a talented group of players now who could, with the right manager, play some good stuff.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 6, 2016 16:30:34 GMT
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Post by Waggy on Jul 6, 2016 16:36:33 GMT
I like Eddie Howe, good young lad infact younger than i but feel he needs club management at the moment.
So Big Sam for me, i'd love to see him whip each player into shape ( not literally) and think he would get the fans back on side with his honesty and determination
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Post by iplayinthehole on Jul 6, 2016 16:39:26 GMT
Just go and get Rafa!
Easy really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 20:17:34 GMT
Find a top young Enlish manager who can do it part time, not living far From London
So, why not give it the Bournemouth guy a as part time role with his club management intact ?
That is surely how the job should be done from now on
Whilst we at it, make the entire FA - part time -with commensurate salary reductions for the entire
FA management team
and plough the money saved, back into grass roots, park and school football
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 6, 2016 22:29:08 GMT
I am totally at a loss on this. Now I am thinking Sam. I might change my mind by Friday.
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