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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2016 17:05:28 GMT
All of that means fuck all if the coaching and talent isn't there. You really are a miserable old sod! I'm just honest.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 4, 2016 17:09:22 GMT
Cant see what we will get out of it at all. Sending our young players there is pointless, better standard of football in Div 2 , would be better to send them there. No players over there worth coming here. Home for has beens and failures in the English divisions. Invest when the stock is low so when it skyrockets in the next 10 years or so you'll be locked in. I'm an Orlando City season ticket holder and we take our team seriously, of course MLS isn't at the level of the Premier League or the European leagues but that's only because of money. The league is taking off right now and when they get a new TV deal in the next 5 years they'll be in more markets and they'll get much more revenue. More revenue means among other things a higher salary cap. Right now the MLS cap is about 3.6 million USD a year with 3 designated players allowed to make more out of the ownership's pocket. The 2014-15 Stoke roster cost $68,000,000 by comparison. So it's not that you all have better football because of where you are, it's just that you can afford better players and it translates to a higher quality game. Remember, this is the USA, we spend billions on the Top 3 American sports leagues. An NBA salary cap is $70 million dollars for 15 players. MLB is 189 million. NFL is 155 million. MLS will be one of the best leagues in the world in the next 10-15 years, I have no doubt. Imagine MLS teams with salary caps of 100 million dollars. Think you might be interested in some of those players? That's why the legendary Stoke City has a partnership with the lowly Orlando City right now. That's the way I see it too. The soccer revolution is finally taking off, in part due to increased revenues but also due to parents' concern about the dangers of head injuries in football. I live in a town that lives and breathes American football. The high school regularly wins the State Championship and the University has won the Division II Natiuonal Championship three times in the last 10 years. So until recently it's been an uphill battle to recruit boys to play soccer in this town. Now parents are actively discouraging their boys to play "tackle" football until high school. This means they can only play a watered down version called flag football where there's no contact. If they only play flag football till HS they are so far behind those that play tackle football they have no chance. So many are switching to soccer instead. Interesting times.
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Post by iconoclastimatic on Jun 4, 2016 17:43:28 GMT
All of that means fuck all if the coaching and talent isn't there. So when we start getting salary caps up in the high 8 to 9 figure range, you don't think we'll get better players and coaches? Cool story.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2016 17:49:02 GMT
All of that means fuck all if the coaching and talent isn't there. So when we start getting salary caps up in the high 8 to 9 figure range, you don't think we'll get better players and coaches? Cool story. You might do but you make it sound like the two will go hand in hand which it won't. You've only got to look at England to see that it doesn't go hand in hand. And you might attract better players but you attract good players now but I don't think it helps and actually is of detriment to the domestic American player.
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Post by Sfance on Jun 4, 2016 17:55:31 GMT
Fortunately, Stoke have more foresight than Bayern.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2016 17:58:56 GMT
Fortunately, Stoke have more foresight than Bayern. The American market is massive and I've been calling for more links with Orlando for longer than anyone on here so less of that shit thank you. My issue is with that post and how easy he makes it sound. It's clearly not!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2016 18:04:54 GMT
One simple question-
Is the wage structure going to change significantly in the MLS soon?
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Post by iconoclastimatic on Jun 4, 2016 18:33:16 GMT
Fortunately, Stoke have more foresight than Bayern. The American market is massive and I've been calling for more links with Orlando for longer than anyone on here so less of that shit thank you. My issue is with that post and how easy he makes it sound. It's clearly not! It's not been easy, MLS has been around for 20 years. They just last season got kit sponsors for all 20 teams. But the attendance is there and the buzz about it is starting to grow. When you have people that understand how successful football clubs are built on a fundamental level like Rawlins does, throw in the added capital and it's not a matter of if but when. If there wasn't a strong market, Orlando City wouldn't be privately funding their new stadium. The NBA and NFL didn't really start experiencing stratospheric success until the '80s and the '90s after having been around for 40 years. MLS is far ahead of that pace. Just watch and enjoy the benefits that Stoke City will reap from having the foresight to start up this partnership.
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Post by iconoclastimatic on Jun 4, 2016 18:33:47 GMT
One simple question- Is the wage structure going to change significantly in the MLS soon? In the next 5 years, likely.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2016 18:35:58 GMT
One simple question- Is the wage structure going to change significantly in the MLS soon? In the next 5 years, likely. So in the next 5 years the thing that is pretty central to your argument might happen. There we are!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2016 18:39:40 GMT
The American market is massive and I've been calling for more links with Orlando for longer than anyone on here so less of that shit thank you. My issue is with that post and how easy he makes it sound. It's clearly not! It's not been easy, MLS has been around for 20 years. They just last season got kit sponsors for all 20 teams. But the attendance is there and the buzz about it is starting to grow. When you have people that understand how successful football clubs are built on a fundamental level like Rawlins does, throw in the added capital and it's not a matter of if but when. If there wasn't a strong market, Orlando City wouldn't be privately funding their new stadium. The NBA and NFL didn't really start experiencing stratospheric success until the '80s and the '90s after having been around for 40 years. MLS is far ahead of that pace. Just watch and enjoy the benefits that Stoke City will reap from having the foresight to start up this partnership. It's not really foresight is it? We had one anyway and then it disappeared with no one noticing (on here) bar me! The MLS is a fun league for sure but the standard needs to improve massively. For that to happen the wage structure has to change and get rid of the designated players. I just can't see how that helps. It's got massive potential, it always has but the execution has always been poor. And it does seem like that is changing but not enough is. You need relegation too!
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Post by Sfance on Jun 5, 2016 1:25:26 GMT
So Bayern, excuse me for being dim, but are you in favor of the affiliation or not?
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 5, 2016 3:06:28 GMT
It's not been easy, MLS has been around for 20 years. They just last season got kit sponsors for all 20 teams. But the attendance is there and the buzz about it is starting to grow. When you have people that understand how successful football clubs are built on a fundamental level like Rawlins does, throw in the added capital and it's not a matter of if but when. If there wasn't a strong market, Orlando City wouldn't be privately funding their new stadium. The NBA and NFL didn't really start experiencing stratospheric success until the '80s and the '90s after having been around for 40 years. MLS is far ahead of that pace. Just watch and enjoy the benefits that Stoke City will reap from having the foresight to start up this partnership. It's not really foresight is it? We had one anyway and then it disappeared with no one noticing (on here) bar me! The MLS is a fun league for sure but the standard needs to improve massively. For that to happen the wage structure has to change and get rid of the designated players. I just can't see how that helps. It's got massive potential, it always has but the execution has always been poor. And it does seem like that is changing but not enough is. You need relegation too! You, Sir are hubris personified!!!!!
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 5, 2016 3:34:26 GMT
The American market is massive and I've been calling for more links with Orlando for longer than anyone on here so less of that shit thank you. My issue is with that post and how easy he makes it sound. It's clearly not! It's not been easy, MLS has been around for 20 years. They just last season got kit sponsors for all 20 teams. this is So incorrect.... I hope they change their purple kit as well to a colour that resembles ours if this is really happening
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2016 7:34:50 GMT
It's not really foresight is it? We had one anyway and then it disappeared with no one noticing (on here) bar me! The MLS is a fun league for sure but the standard needs to improve massively. For that to happen the wage structure has to change and get rid of the designated players. I just can't see how that helps. It's got massive potential, it always has but the execution has always been poor. And it does seem like that is changing but not enough is. You need relegation too! You, Sir are hubris personified!!!!! Nope. You Americans just need bringing down a peg or two that's all. You (they Royal you) over egg the MLS and American footballers beyond belief. And whilst it being hilarious to outsiders the fact that you guys believe what you say is amusing. Case in point being Dozy Altidore! Dreadful footballer but say that to an American and it was like you were burning the Stars and Stripes in front them. The MLS has massive potential of course it does but it needs a lot of work. The wage disparity just won't harbour what you need for a better standard in the league or a better quality of player for the national team. Pulisic looks a cracking little player and should be the blue print going forward with technical ability coming to the fore and not just loving an athlete!
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Post by lordb on Jun 5, 2016 8:48:35 GMT
Would like to see a couple of the youngsters spend a couple of summer months playing MLS.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jun 5, 2016 10:55:45 GMT
Cant see what we will get out of it at all. Sending our young players there is pointless, better standard of football in Div 2 , would be better to send them there. No players over there worth coming here. Home for has beens and failures in the English divisions. Invest when the stock is low so when it skyrockets in the next 10 years or so you'll be locked in. I'm an Orlando City season ticket holder and we take our team seriously, of course MLS isn't at the level of the Premier League or the European leagues but that's only because of money. The league is taking off right now and when they get a new TV deal in the next 5 years they'll be in more markets and they'll get much more revenue. More revenue means among other things a higher salary cap. Right now the MLS cap is about 3.6 million USD a year with 3 designated players allowed to make more out of the ownership's pocket. The 2014-15 Stoke roster cost $68,000,000 by comparison. So it's not that you all have better football because of where you are, it's just that you can afford better players and it translates to a higher quality game. Remember, this is the USA, we spend billions on the Top 3 American sports leagues. An NBA salary cap is $70 million dollars for 15 players. MLB is 189 million. NFL is 155 million. MLS will be one of the best leagues in the world in the next 10-15 years, I have no doubt. Imagine MLS teams with salary caps of 100 million dollars. Think you might be interested in some of those players? That's why the legendary Stoke City has a partnership with the lowly Orlando City right now. Great Post! I for one think it is fantastic news and a VERY shrewd move by both clubs. Rawlings being part of it makes it even better too. I spend time in the States with work and never fail to be impressed with how well sport is supported. High School games for the big 3 get TV coverage and also are very well attended. I would say when the balance adjusts slightly that we will be vying with MLS teams for players as we do now with mainland Europe. China, whilst the money is already there, will not threaten as much however due to the significant difference in lifestyle. However, compared to the US the UK doesn't do too well as the rich and famous tend to prefer to live there.
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 5, 2016 12:33:12 GMT
You, Sir are hubris personified!!!!! Nope. You Americans just need bringing down a peg or two that's all. You (they Royal you) over egg the MLS and American footballers beyond belief. And whilst it being hilarious to outsiders the fact that you guys believe what you say is amusing. Case in point being Dozy Altidore! Dreadful footballer but say that to an American and it was like you were burning the Stars and Stripes in front them. The MLS has massive potential of course it does but it needs a lot of work. The wage disparity just won't harbour what you need for a better standard in the league or a better quality of player for the national team. Pulisic looks a cracking little player and should be the blue print going forward with technical ability coming to the fore and not just loving an athlete! Oh Bayern you jammy tart! Good luck finding a Yank Whois going to have much good to say about Altidore these days, bit of an anchoring bias by you there. Probably talked to one pissed Yank at your local chippy who told you that! I haven't seen any of the "royal us" say MLS is better than the Prem, only that it is a league on the up and fun to watch.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2016 16:52:04 GMT
Nope. You Americans just need bringing down a peg or two that's all. You (they Royal you) over egg the MLS and American footballers beyond belief. And whilst it being hilarious to outsiders the fact that you guys believe what you say is amusing. Case in point being Dozy Altidore! Dreadful footballer but say that to an American and it was like you were burning the Stars and Stripes in front them. The MLS has massive potential of course it does but it needs a lot of work. The wage disparity just won't harbour what you need for a better standard in the league or a better quality of player for the national team. Pulisic looks a cracking little player and should be the blue print going forward with technical ability coming to the fore and not just loving an athlete! Oh Bayern you jammy tart! Good luck finding a Yank Whois going to have much good to say about Altidore these days, bit of an anchoring bias by you there. Probably talked to one pissed Yank at your local chippy who told you that! I haven't seen any of the "royal us" say MLS is better than the Prem, only that it is a league on the up and fun to watch. Hence the use of the word was old boy! He's always been crap but that was never the case in the eyes of your average American football fan. What you going on about? No ones mentioned that before your post!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 16:47:49 GMT
With pre season seemingly coming together and the Hamburg game having now been official confirmed , hopefully news of a 2nd USA game ( or confirmation that there's isn't to be one) will be announced soon to help with travel logistics and budgets..anyone heard anything stateside?
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Jun 7, 2016 17:47:55 GMT
It's not been easy, MLS has been around for 20 years. They just last season got kit sponsors for all 20 teams. this is So incorrect.... I hope they change their purple kit as well to a colour that resembles ours if this is really happening Its an affiliation not a hostile take over mate!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2016 18:12:24 GMT
I'm pretty certain the purple kit is an homage to an away kit we had in the 90s anyway. Their brand is excellent and purple is a massive part of that.
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 7, 2016 22:11:28 GMT
Ok Lads,
Bayern's "sod all things MLS" manifestos aside what do you lot attending the match prefer:
1) we take over Long Doggers beach bar right outside the venue or ...
2) we tailgate American style in the "car park"
Think about it. I prefer Long Doggers Post Road. I think I can get them to let me buy a keg we can drink there with compliments.
Bayern you jammy tart: you coming for this seminal match in Stoke's illustrious history?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2016 22:16:29 GMT
Newcastle Town is calling, sounds like it will be played in a better ground!
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 8, 2016 20:22:38 GMT
I'm pretty certain the purple kit is an homage to an away kit we had in the 90s anyway. Their brand is excellent and purple is a massive part of that. I know the shirt I used to wear it in 92. My ravin' clobber ;-)
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Post by BrianPotter on Jun 8, 2016 21:37:21 GMT
Ok Lads, Bayern's "sod all things MLS" manifestos aside what do you lot attending the match prefer: 1) we take over Long Doggers beach bar right outside the venue or ... 2) we tailgate American style in the "car park" Think about it. I prefer Long Doggers Post Road. I think I can get them to let me buy a keg we can drink there with compliments. Bayern you jammy tart: you coming for this seminal match in Stoke's illustrious history? Long Doggers for me. Theres 7 of us coming from Savannah GA(3 of which are Stoke season ticket holders) 3 from Calgary Canada, and a couple of Orlando Stokies
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 8, 2016 23:18:03 GMT
Ok Lads, Bayern's "sod all things MLS" manifestos aside what do you lot attending the match prefer: 1) we take over Long Doggers beach bar right outside the venue or ... 2) we tailgate American style in the "car park" Think about it. I prefer Long Doggers Post Road. I think I can get them to let me buy a keg we can drink there with compliments. Bayern you jammy tart: you coming for this seminal match in Stoke's illustrious history? Long Doggers for me. Theres 7 of us coming from Savannah GA(3 of which are Stoke season ticket holders) 3 from Calgary Canada, and a couple of Orlando Stokies Ok great. One vote for Long Doggers. Like I said I'll see if I can get a keg of ale for you lot. Can't promise it will be up to Waggy lad's high standards but it is Bayern's favorite: free!
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Post by kustokie on Jun 9, 2016 0:18:54 GMT
You, Sir are hubris personified!!!!! Nope. You Americans just need bringing down a peg or two that's all. You (they Royal you) over egg the MLS and American footballers beyond belief. And whilst it being hilarious to outsiders the fact that you guys believe what you say is amusing. Case in point being Dozy Altidore! Dreadful footballer but say that to an American and it was like you were burning the Stars and Stripes in front them. The MLS has massive potential of course it does but it needs a lot of work. The wage disparity just won't harbour what you need for a better standard in the league or a better quality of player for the national team. Pulisic looks a cracking little player and should be the blue print going forward with technical ability coming to the fore and not just loving an athlete! Hey, Bayern. Did anyone ever tell you that you might just have a bit of chip on your shoulder?
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Post by kustokie on Jun 9, 2016 0:20:27 GMT
Long Doggers for me. Theres 7 of us coming from Savannah GA(3 of which are Stoke season ticket holders) 3 from Calgary Canada, and a couple of Orlando Stokies Ok great. One vote for Long Doggers. Like I said I'll see if I can get a keg of ale for you lot. Can't promise it will be up to Waggy lad's high standards but it is Bayern's favorite: free! We'll have three 16 years old with us, so I vote for tailgate. Can we do both?
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 9, 2016 1:27:38 GMT
Ok great. One vote for Long Doggers. Like I said I'll see if I can get a keg of ale for you lot. Can't promise it will be up to Waggy lad's high standards but it is Bayern's favorite: free! We'll have three 16 years old with us, so I vote for tailgate. Can we do both? Chris, They will let the 16 year olds in, it is more of a eatery than a boozer
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