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Post by chrisparker on May 1, 2016 21:36:39 GMT
To quote my Spurs supporting boss, it has been a disappointing season as we finished behind Leicester. I like how you conveniently use that quote out of context. Leicester are having a one in a million season & if we were to finish above them then we'd be premier league champions. As someone said above, delusional.
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Post by mrcoke on May 1, 2016 21:54:50 GMT
"Disappointment depends on expectation. The greater the former, the more the latter is not fulfilled." (mrcoke 1.5.2016) Consequently to avoid disappointment, you must either achieve your expectations or have none. If it helps to cushion your disappointment, don't look up the table and be jealous of what others have achieved (mainly due to more money, fewer injuries, but also better team work), but look down the tables and see how the mighty are fallen and thank God that there but for the efforts of MH and his team we would be. The size of your success is measured by the strength of your desire; the size of your dream; and how you handle disappointment along the way. Robert Kiyosaki Read more at: www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/disappointment.html
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Post by swampySCFC on May 1, 2016 22:14:26 GMT
This delusion has led to one of the wankest atmospheres known since the Brit was assembled from a pack and folk were rattling around in it. The atmosphere at the Brit is whole different story. Let's be honest it's been missing since 2010. People settle in to that comfortable mid table position and want more. We haven't moved on this year despite our excellent position 10 games ago. If theres nothing at stake people don't get excited
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Post by thevoid on May 1, 2016 22:27:12 GMT
Apart from that purple patch before New Year it's been pretty turgid really- we even made hard work of the League Cup ties (Sheff Weds excepted). Leicester, Saints and West Ham have left us behind. We've had two seperate series of hammerings (0-3 x 3 and 12 in three), and I think Butland helped to prevent a few more thrashings early on (Arsenal, Norwich and Newcastle away spring to mind).
Yes we've had defensive injuries but we had problems in that department in January and did nothing during the window.
A big summer needed or else a poor start to next season could see some discontent.
Jack and Arnie have been the standout players and most of the memorable moments we've had have come from the Austrian. We really need to keep him.
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Post by swampySCFC on May 1, 2016 22:34:23 GMT
Fair point mate. Leicester have left everyone behind, West Ham we have been hanging on to coat tails all year. Southampton we were above but we haven't scored goals and closed out games. We go again next year with the money but we need to address issues
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Post by JoeinOz on May 1, 2016 22:47:07 GMT
I'm not disappointed. It has been a healthy season
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Post by swampySCFC on May 1, 2016 22:50:43 GMT
I'm not disappointed. It has been a healthy season Me too Jo in a kind of way. We can't be happy with those thrashings though
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Post by JoeinOz on May 1, 2016 22:54:27 GMT
I'm not disappointed. It has been a healthy season Me too Jo in a kind of way. We can't be happy with those thrashings though No we can't but in the ebb and flow of a season it can happen. There is plenty to work on and improve but this is a stable season.
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Post by swampySCFC on May 1, 2016 22:57:48 GMT
Me too Jo in a kind of way. We can't be happy with those thrashings though No we can't but in the ebb and flow of a season it can happen. There is plenty to work on and improve but this is a stable season. Yep Jo but we had those under TP. We were supposed to be moving on. I don't think we have. Wheres my mid table and Cup Final?
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Post by Gods on May 1, 2016 23:00:59 GMT
Apart from that purple patch before New Year it's been pretty turgid really- we even made hard work of the League Cup ties (Sheff Weds excepted). Leicester, Saints and West Ham have left us behind. We've had two seperate series of hammerings (0-3 x 3 and 12 in three), and I think Butland helped to prevent a few more thrashings early on (Arsenal, Norwich and Newcastle away spring to mind). Yes we've had defensive injuries but we had problems in that department in January and did nothing during the window. A big summer needed or else a poor start to next season could see some discontent. Jack and Arnie have been the standout players and most of the memorable moments we've had have come from the Austrian. We really need to keep him. I think that's a very fair summary.
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Post by ukcstokie on May 2, 2016 1:06:59 GMT
Some want us to do better every season.
Within a handful of years that means winning the League, FA Cup and League Cup. As well as the Champions League. Then the'd be complaints the next season that we hadn't progressed the following season.
Come-on. Reality check.
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Post by RAF on May 2, 2016 1:59:10 GMT
No we can't but in the ebb and flow of a season it can happen. There is plenty to work on and improve but this is a stable season. Yep Jo but we had those under TP. We were supposed to be moving on. I don't think we have. Wheres my mid table and Cup Final? So two top ten finishes in a row and a possible third isn't moving on? Mental H
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Post by kustokie on May 2, 2016 2:13:32 GMT
I'd like to suggest that most teams in the PL improved this season (except Villa, Norwich, Newcastle, Sunderland and Palace), just some improved a lot more than others. So you have to improve just to stay in place. It will be even more intense next season with more teams, with more cash fishing in the same pond to strengthen their squads. The teams that do best may be those that already have a strong squad that have gelled this season and will hit the ground running in August. Fasten your seat belts, folks. It is going to be a bumpy take off.
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Post by pottarius on May 2, 2016 3:34:51 GMT
I'd like to suggest that most teams in the PL improved this season (except Villa, Norwich, Newcastle, Sunderland and Palace), just some improved a lot more than others. So you have to improve just to stay in place. It will be even more intense next season with more teams, with more cash fishing in the same pond to strengthen their squads. The teams that do best may be those that already have a strong squad that have gelled this season and will hit the ground running in August. Fasten your seat belts, folks. It is going to be a bumpy take off. I'm not sure that comment is correct - I would say only the obvious suspects Foxes, Spuds & Irons teams have improved significantly (by a ridiculous amount in the Leicester case but bully for them) I think we have at best been static performance wise this season, but in reality without the exceptional Arnie and Jack coupled with many teams going backwards we'd be in a much worse place. If we start next season without them both then I agree we will see another poor start
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Post by pottermouth on May 2, 2016 5:29:50 GMT
Now that the season is inexorably reaching its end, the verdict will soon be out as to what we have achieved or failed to achieve this season. In my opinion, over-all, it was a disappointment. We had a very poor start and an even poorer finish to the season snd were saved by the purple patch we had at Xmas. A lesser point tally, one or two positions further down compared to last season and a much worse GD doesn't depict a rosy picture at all. All this in a season in which so many teams failed to live to their expectations that s team like Leicester is going to win the league !! We have certainly failed to reach the mythical next level and so it's back to the drawing board and a massive summer is needed to strengthen the squad, prune it of all the dead wood we have, find a proper and consistent system of play and then move on to the augured next level I assume you have seen the dark times from 1985 to 2008? Yes this has been a very frustrating season all round. Baffling tactics, injuries (but no worse than half the league), a nightmare goal difference and the non-emergence of any home grown talent. Without getting back what got us here in the first place, i.e., sheer hard work and evolution, we will struggle next season. Some pace and power is what is needed for next season now and if we don't get it we are in for a long season. Too much of our squad is slow and ponderous, not equipped for the pace and power that the Premier League has become.
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 2, 2016 5:55:40 GMT
Frustrating - yes Disappointing- no Optimistic for next season - Hell Yeah!
In a nutshell.
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 2, 2016 6:14:28 GMT
It's easy to understand a degree of disappointment at not quite achieving certain goals. Almost touching Europe and not quite, frustrating but a success to even give ourselves the chance. Penalties. Almost half a hand on a cup but winning over a full 120 minutes at Anfield, fucking success if you ask me. I'm as guilty as many, it's human nature, I was on the edge of my seat in that shootout, and yes I was disappointed at not going further, but the season as a whole, another bloody rollercoaster as per.
Bring on next season, can't come soon enough.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 2, 2016 7:23:49 GMT
"Disappointment depends on expectation. The greater the former, the more the latter is not fulfilled." (mrcoke 1.5.2016) Consequently to avoid disappointment, you must either achieve your expectations or have none. If it helps to cushion your disappointment, don't look up the table and be jealous of what others have achieved (mainly due to more money, fewer injuries, but also better team work), but look down the tables and see how the mighty are fallen and thank God that there but for the efforts of MH and  his team we would be. The size of your success is measured by the strength of your desire; the size of your dream; and how you handle disappointment along the way. Robert Kiyosaki Read more at: www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/disappointment.html It's not the size of the bird in the fight, it's the size of the chicks before they hatch. Or something.
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Post by harryburrows on May 2, 2016 7:24:48 GMT
Frustrating - yes Disappointing- no Optimistic for next season - Hell Yeah!
In a nutshell.
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Post by harryburrows on May 2, 2016 7:25:22 GMT
In a nutshell.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 7:30:40 GMT
I still don't get this " we finished 9th or 10th therefore it's been a good season" argument. The amount of points we have thrown away has been alarming. The -12 GD is of great concern to me. The fact that we made some enormous moves in the transfer market, and simply failed to deliver, is very disappointing. We have not advanced this season, far from it in fact, and yes, injuries have been dreadful, but so have a lot of performances. Glass always half full for me, so with the likes of Imbula, Bojan, Shaq, getting a good preseason in then who knows, but one thing is glaringly obvious, our select 11 from a fit squad is outstanding, but the cover for injuries/suspensions is very poor indeed.
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Post by Davef on May 2, 2016 7:31:54 GMT
I'd like to suggest that most teams in the PL improved this season (except Villa, Norwich, Newcastle, Sunderland and Palace), just some improved a lot more than others. So you have to improve just to stay in place. It will be even more intense next season with more teams, with more cash fishing in the same pond to strengthen their squads. The teams that do best may be those that already have a strong squad that have gelled this season and will hit the ground running in August. Fasten your seat belts, folks. It is going to be a bumpy take off. Chelsea haven't, Man City haven't, Man Utd haven't, Arsenal haven't, Swansea haven't, Everton haven't and West Brom haven't. If you add us and possibly Liverpool into the equation then it's not most teams is it?
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Post by jarhead on May 2, 2016 7:34:45 GMT
It's fucking amazing how fucking deluded some of our lot have become in such a short amount of time. If you hadn't noticed we are at the next level, and that was delivered by Hughes in his first season. You know 'Top Half' that was touted as the next step, and he did it in the second season as well. Funny when the last incumbent was here anything from 17th upwards would be ok ,even after the massive amount of cash he was afforded. You have to be an absolute fuckwitt to not acknowledge injuries have had a massive impact on our season. Have a look at Leicester and West Hams injury list compared to ours and ask yourself why they have been consistent. I think Hughes could have been a bit more astute in the January window, but he has plenty in the bank for me. So in summary for me, it's been an OK season frustrated by injuries and a decent cup run. Unlike the ungrateful twats who can't manage their own expectations I'm looking forward to a great summer transfer window, an injury free pre-season and getting amongst it again next season. If all else fails just blame Wolly like a few of the subnormal tools on here. Onwards and Upwards Stoke. H Pretty much spot on RAF well said.
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Post by jarhead on May 2, 2016 7:35:19 GMT
Off the top of my head at least 25 far more disappointing seasons spring to mind. Frustrating certainly. Most disappointing crop of injuries since 74/75 but overall I think we can live with 2015/16. 100% yes
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 7:37:02 GMT
Apart from that purple patch before New Year it's been pretty turgid really- we even made hard work of the League Cup ties (Sheff Weds excepted). Leicester, Saints and West Ham have left us behind. We've had two seperate series of hammerings (0-3 x 3 and 12 in three), and I think Butland helped to prevent a few more thrashings early on (Arsenal, Norwich and Newcastle away spring to mind). Yes we've had defensive injuries but we had problems in that department in January and did nothing during the window. A big summer needed or else a poor start to next season could see some discontent. Jack and Arnie have been the standout players and most of the memorable moments we've had have come from the Austrian. We really need to keep him. You make a great point regarding Butland saving us a few thrashings...Yes I want a good goalie, but I don't want him to be MotM. I want my attacking midfielders or my strikers to be MotM, I want to put the opposition to the sword and take the game to them, like we did over xmas to the 2 manchesters, not defend like hell and stave off a bombardment... We have the team to do good things, so let August roll on and do it... I think we will have a good preseason with all our pegs in the right holes, and lets hope Butland, Shawcross and later in the season Affey all get back to form...
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Post by univex on May 2, 2016 8:10:35 GMT
To quote my Spurs supporting boss, it has been a disappointing season as we finished behind Leicester. I like how you conveniently use that quote out of context. Or perhaps it just went straight over your head?
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Post by fca47 on May 2, 2016 8:25:20 GMT
The team has gone backwards, but obviously to do with injuries, whether they can come back is the conundrum .
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 2, 2016 8:33:48 GMT
The team has gone backwards, but obviously to do with injuries, whether they can come back is the conundrum . Do not agree with that - it is normal fayre throughout the Premier League seasons - sometimes we flatter to deceive ad we have good and bad runs One could argue it takes a season for new, none Prem players to find their feet. There are gaps in our side, but there always will be as the whole sickeningly rich Premiership evolves Just because we buy so called 'bigger players' does not mean anything as standing still means we go backwards Expectations are higher and the manager welcomes that, so I can understand the frustration and he has to take that (and boy have I been frustrated at some games) But, if we finish top 10, this will only be the 2nd time in our history we have done it 3 times in a row The key thing is we can all see the areas that need to be addressed and can see a way forward. Could not say that a few years ago
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Post by scfc75 on May 2, 2016 8:45:37 GMT
We are a mid table club. We have a mid table squad, pay mid table wages and get mid table crowds.
Finishing mid table is disappointing?
Finishing 16th would be disappointing. Finishing 8th or higher would be exceeding expectations.
We have had a decent season, broadly on par with where we were expected to finish.
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 2, 2016 9:15:59 GMT
I sincerely fucking hope not, but I get your point, pun definitely intended.
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