|
Bojan
May 3, 2016 23:06:42 GMT
Post by chrisparker on May 3, 2016 23:06:42 GMT
Thought he was one of a handful of bright sparks vs Swansea in the number 10 role and then followed that up with a goal at Anfield. And then Hughes tried the false 9 bollocks out, which just doesn't work. I was surprised he didn't start as the number 10 at the weekend and he should be starting there this weekend. He scored a goal at Anfield but he was woeful in that game & was one of the reasons Liverpool's midfield ran past our front line so effortlessly. Doesn't even attempt to put a challenge in. Our defence improved significantly when he came off & that's why Hughes tried the false 9 against Tottenham because he knows Bojan is a huge liability in midfield when we're defending. Didn't work, fine, we move on but Bojan has got nothing to complainn about. Fortunately I don't believe the story written in the Mail, I think it's a load of bollocks. Bojan seems like a nice guy & I don't think he's the sort of player who'd be questioning the manager's decision especially considering our defensive frailties in recent games.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 3, 2016 23:08:21 GMT
via mobile
Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2016 23:08:21 GMT
The false 9 doesn't work and was a stupid idea vs them and in general. Not his problem when he's playing in a system that just doesn't work. I thought he was excellent vs Swansea and subbing him lost us the initiative and lost us 2 points. Were you saying that either side of Xmas when the only really good games he's had this season came from that very position/system??? Yes. After the Man Yoo game I called it out for what it is. It only really worked vs Man City and one half vs Man Yoo and then they sussed it. Press high and we then don't have the talent at the back to pass it so have to go long to Bojan. The false 9 fails, easy. It's exactly what teams did and what Spurs did.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 3, 2016 23:09:20 GMT
via mobile
Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2016 23:09:20 GMT
Thought he was one of a handful of bright sparks vs Swansea in the number 10 role and then followed that up with a goal at Anfield. And then Hughes tried the false 9 bollocks out, which just doesn't work. I was surprised he didn't start as the number 10 at the weekend and he should be starting there this weekend. He scored a goal at Anfield but we woeful in that game & was one of the reasons Liverpool's midfield ran past our front line so effortless. Doesn't even attempt to put a challenge in. Our defence improved significantly when he came off. I don't believe the story written in the Mail, I think it's a load of bollocks. Bojan seems like a nice guy & I don't think he's the sort of player who'd be questioning the manager's decision especially considering our defensive frailties in recent games. I don't particularly want him putting challenges in! That's not his job!
|
|
|
Bojan
May 3, 2016 23:14:04 GMT
via mobile
Post by davejohnno1 on May 3, 2016 23:14:04 GMT
Ah right. He's thrown his toys out of the pram because he hasn't featured for the last two games??? More short sighted bullshit from a player who thinks he's far better than he actually is (if true of course which I doubt very much) He's barely played this year after being over played when he came back from injury. Fuck knows what the manager is doing. But it's not too hard to see why a player would be pissed off with what's gone on with him. He should be the number 10, there's no one close to lace his boots. So it isn't the last few games then? Its the whole season where by your own admission, the manager overplayed him...this despite the fact that bojan himself, allegedly wanted to play more because he was free from all injury issues. Seems like mr bojan, according to you and the article, wants his cake and wants to eat it as well. He must be great for team morale and a super character to have in the dressing room. Mind you, he has played like he'll play when it suits him to play which I suppose backs up your thoughts. If you are correct, and mutley and the article are correct, he's symptomatic of why the last few games have been abysmal. If he's so unhappy at his treatment, hand in a transfer request and fuck off back to some other foreign outpost where he will struggle to settle again. If this is true, it seems to me that little bojan has every excuse going for being crap. Its never his fault. Fortunately, I doubt any of it is true. He was happy enough to sign a new 4-5 year contract only a matter of weeks ago.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2016 23:17:01 GMT
He's barely played this year after being over played when he came back from injury. Fuck knows what the manager is doing. But it's not too hard to see why a player would be pissed off with what's gone on with him. He should be the number 10, there's no one close to lace his boots. So it isn't the last few games then? Its the whole season where by your own admission, the manager overplayed him...this despite the fact that bojan himself, allegedly wanted to play more because he was free from all injury issues. Seems like mr bojan, according to you and the article, wants his cake and wants to eat it as well. He must be great for team morale and a super character to have in the dressing room. Mind you, he has played like he'll play when it suits him to play which I suppose backs up your thoughts. If you are correct, and mutley and the article are correct, he's symptomatic of why the last few games have been abysmal. If he's so unhappy at his treatment, hand in a transfer request and fuck off back to some other foreign outpost where he will struggle to settle again. If this is true, it seems to me that little bojan has every excuse going for being crap. Its never his fault. Fortunately, I doubt any of it is true. He was happy enough to sign a new 4-5 year contract only a matter of weeks ago. It will be both but his treatment over the last few games has been pretty shit. Another one of the managers many baffling decisions this season. Hughes needs to take a long hard look at what he's doing.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 3, 2016 23:21:25 GMT
via mobile
Post by davejohnno1 on May 3, 2016 23:21:25 GMT
So it isn't the last few games then? Its the whole season where by your own admission, the manager overplayed him...this despite the fact that bojan himself, allegedly wanted to play more because he was free from all injury issues. Seems like mr bojan, according to you and the article, wants his cake and wants to eat it as well. He must be great for team morale and a super character to have in the dressing room. Mind you, he has played like he'll play when it suits him to play which I suppose backs up your thoughts. If you are correct, and mutley and the article are correct, he's symptomatic of why the last few games have been abysmal. If he's so unhappy at his treatment, hand in a transfer request and fuck off back to some other foreign outpost where he will struggle to settle again. If this is true, it seems to me that little bojan has every excuse going for being crap. Its never his fault. Fortunately, I doubt any of it is true. He was happy enough to sign a new 4-5 year contract only a matter of weeks ago. It will be both but his treatment over the last few games has been pretty shit. Another one of the managers many baffling decisions this season. Hughes needs to take a long hard look at what he's doing. You're right mate. His juggling of an unprecedented injury list, fielding teams that have 3-4 players playing because there is no one else available and they are the least injured in the club has been nothing short of an unmitigated disaster. If only he'd have utilised bojan properly we might not have got dicked so often...oh hang on a minute, bojan played in his favoured position v Liverpool and we got thumped! I'm off to bed!
|
|
|
Bojan
May 3, 2016 23:27:38 GMT
via mobile
Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2016 23:27:38 GMT
It will be both but his treatment over the last few games has been pretty shit. Another one of the managers many baffling decisions this season. Hughes needs to take a long hard look at what he's doing. You're right mate. His juggling of an unprecedented injury list, fielding teams that have 3-4 players playing because there is no one else available and they are the least injured in the club has been nothing short of an unmitigated disaster. If only he'd have utilised bojan properly we might not have got dicked so often...oh hang on a minute, bojan played in his favoured position v Liverpool and we got thumped! I'm off to bed! Unprecedented? It happened last year, this is the second year in a row and the second year we've had a lot of muscle injuries. As ever you're being simplistic! And the defeat vs Liverpool was obviously all on him. This season has imo been our second worst since we got up and has been incredibly dull and one to forget. Hughes has a lot to sort out including how to get the best of his players. Because seemingly he's bought another player for one position and he actually can't play it but plays as a #10. It's happening far too often with his top targets. Massive questions over the managers head and rightly so.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 23:53:01 GMT
This season has imo been our second worst since we got up and has been incredibly dull and one to forget. Massive questions over the managers head and rightly so. The table makes you wrong. Likely the third best season we've had since returning. A work in progress, transition still taking place, and of course, a frustrating and disappointing season. Some concern but all this dramatic commenting about MH is just knee jerk knicker wetting from the peanut gallery.
|
|
|
Post by Bojan Mackey on May 4, 2016 0:08:17 GMT
What a load of unfounded, libellous, abortive and gutter journalism bollocks that is. Whoever came up with that festering pile of arse gravy wants hanging up by their testes and beating with their own chair that they sat inventing that horseshit on. I've heard the story was fed to the Mail by an anonymous source called Boother, in an attempt to unsettle the Little Matador and leave him vulnerable to your love-rival's advances. I'd watch your back if I were you. That's the last time I let him borrow my Bojan doll, treacherous parasite.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 6:19:05 GMT
via mobile
Post by davejohnno1 on May 4, 2016 6:19:05 GMT
You're right mate. His juggling of an unprecedented injury list, fielding teams that have 3-4 players playing because there is no one else available and they are the least injured in the club has been nothing short of an unmitigated disaster. If only he'd have utilised bojan properly we might not have got dicked so often...oh hang on a minute, bojan played in his favoured position v Liverpool and we got thumped! I'm off to bed! Unprecedented? It happened last year, this is the second year in a row and the second year we've had a lot of muscle injuries. As ever you're being simplistic! And the defeat vs Liverpool was obviously all on him. This season has imo been our second worst since we got up and has been incredibly dull and one to forget. Hughes has a lot to sort out including how to get the best of his players. Because seemingly he's bought another player for one position and he actually can't play it but plays as a #10. It's happening far too often with his top targets. Massive questions over the managers head and rightly so. It isn't simplistic to comment on an article saying a player is unhappy because he isn't playing when the said player hasn't played anywhere near well enough to deserve the game time he seems to think he merits. This isn't about a wider malaise (and if imbula can only play the role he played on Saturday then Hughes will rightly be criticised) but about a player seemingly unhappy with his lot a matter of weeks after signing a new long term contract. Edit - the injury woes of last season are nowhere near the scale of this season
|
|
|
Post by Kjones9 on May 4, 2016 7:43:23 GMT
If Bojan was starting these games bayern would still slag Hughes off for over playing him.
No doubt claiming that somethings baffling and weird along the way.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 7:44:27 GMT
Post by jeycov on May 4, 2016 7:44:27 GMT
I think that Bojan will feature v Crystal Palace on Saturday
For our last game, the set up with Crouch didn't really suit him as a starter imo (although I was surprised when he did not feature from the bench)
MH is showing his support for Crouch at the moment too, I think he wants PC to stay here
I believe he will show the same support for Bojan on Saturday and he will feature
An important part of management is keeping all of the players happy an fully focussed - QUITE A CHALLENGE
MH has done a great job with Arnie, it has taken a while and I expect some of our other signings will take time to fulfil their potential here
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 7:48:38 GMT
Post by kurt on May 4, 2016 7:48:38 GMT
Think he has made a big step backwards this season, great player though
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 7:56:50 GMT
via mobile
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 7:56:50 GMT
So it isn't the last few games then? Its the whole season where by your own admission, the manager overplayed him...this despite the fact that bojan himself, allegedly wanted to play more because he was free from all injury issues. Seems like mr bojan, according to you and the article, wants his cake and wants to eat it as well. He must be great for team morale and a super character to have in the dressing room. Mind you, he has played like he'll play when it suits him to play which I suppose backs up your thoughts. If you are correct, and mutley and the article are correct, he's symptomatic of why the last few games have been abysmal. If he's so unhappy at his treatment, hand in a transfer request and fuck off back to some other foreign outpost where he will struggle to settle again. If this is true, it seems to me that little bojan has every excuse going for being crap. Its never his fault. Fortunately, I doubt any of it is true. He was happy enough to sign a new 4-5 year contract only a matter of weeks ago. It will be both but his treatment over the last few games has been pretty shit. Another one of the managers many baffling decisions this season. Hughes needs to take a long hard look at what he's doing. Charlie seems happy enough ...and on the pitch now
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 7:57:58 GMT
via mobile
Post by metalhead on May 4, 2016 7:57:58 GMT
He'll be excellent next season.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 7:59:05 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2016 7:59:05 GMT
This season has imo been our second worst since we got up and has been incredibly dull and one to forget. Massive questions over the managers head and rightly so. The table makes you wrong. Likely the third best season we've had since returning. A work in progress, transition still taking place, and of course, a frustrating and disappointing season. Some concern but all this dramatic commenting about MH is just knee jerk knicker wetting from the peanut gallery. If I just looked at the table that would be ace. The season has been boring beyond belief, the football at home has generally been poor and we might be in transition but what are we transitioning in to? There are lots of questions over the manager and he has to provide a lot of answers over the summer and first few months next season.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 8:05:59 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2016 8:05:59 GMT
Unprecedented? It happened last year, this is the second year in a row and the second year we've had a lot of muscle injuries. As ever you're being simplistic! And the defeat vs Liverpool was obviously all on him. This season has imo been our second worst since we got up and has been incredibly dull and one to forget. Hughes has a lot to sort out including how to get the best of his players. Because seemingly he's bought another player for one position and he actually can't play it but plays as a #10. It's happening far too often with his top targets. Massive questions over the managers head and rightly so. It isn't simplistic to comment on an article saying a player is unhappy because he isn't playing when the said player hasn't played anywhere near well enough to deserve the game time he seems to think he merits. This isn't about a wider malaise (and if imbula can only play the role he played on Saturday then Hughes will rightly be criticised) but about a player seemingly unhappy with his lot a matter of weeks after signing a new long term contract. Edit - the injury woes of last season are nowhere near the scale of this season He has though, 2 in 2 then played in a formation we know doesn't work and then dropped. It's worked for Crouch. Last season was shocking for injuries and it's only got worse, another question over the manager imo. And yes we've had a few ones like knee injuries but take Afellay's is it really a surprise (and bad luck) when you look at his recent playing history and then he's playing so regular. I went to the England vs Holland game and he looked knackered after 70 minutes in that, he shouldn't have started that weekend for us.
|
|
|
Post by toppercorner on May 4, 2016 8:13:18 GMT
he should be one of the first names on the team sheet. He's one of few players who can genuinely conjure something up from nothing. When he does play, more often thaan not, he either scores or sets one up
against liverpool, the whole team were awful
also, can someone tell me what this magical preseason can do for players? To me, they are full time athletes who train and keep fit all year. Unless they are carrying an injury i see no reason for them to be tired (this applies to all players). If you aren't fit then serious questions nee to be asked of a training regime. Why, if you don't get a proper preseason in, can you assume the player will be poor for an entire 9 months?
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 8:34:37 GMT
Really starting to worry he might push for a move if we don't start playing him.
He's top draw, should be the first name on the team sheet.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 8:47:21 GMT
via mobile
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 8:47:21 GMT
Our defending has been poor since the Leicester game and Bojan adds nothing to our defence. Affelay has made the creative mid-field role his and deserved to keep his position till injured. Apart from Afellay doesn't really "create" like Bojan does.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 8:49:51 GMT
via mobile
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 8:49:51 GMT
2 in 2 from the number 10 position and then dropped after one game in the managers hair brained false 9 idea. I'd be fuming too. Ah right. He's thrown his toys out of the pram because he hasn't featured for the last two games??? More short sighted bullshit from a player who thinks he's far better than he actually is (if true of course which I doubt very much) Why are you hell bent on putting words into Bojan's mouth just to merit having a go at him? It's embarrassing.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 9:29:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 9:29:59 GMT
Thought he was one of a handful of bright sparks vs Swansea in the number 10 role and then followed that up with a goal at Anfield. And then Hughes tried the false 9 bollocks out, which just doesn't work. I was surprised he didn't start as the number 10 at the weekend and he should be starting there this weekend. He scored a goal at Anfield but he was woeful in that game & was one of the reasons Liverpool's midfield ran past our front line so effortlessly. Doesn't even attempt to put a challenge in. Our defence improved significantly when he came off & that's why Hughes tried the false 9 against Tottenham because he knows Bojan is a huge liability in midfield when we're defending. Didn't work, fine, we move on but Bojan has got nothing to complainn about. Fortunately I don't believe the story written in the Mail, I think it's a load of bollocks. Bojan seems like a nice guy & I don't think he's the sort of player who'd be questioning the manager's decision especially considering our defensive frailties in recent games. He may very well be a nice guy, but he's a sportsman. He will want to play, if he's not playing he will eventually want to go somewhere he will play. You saw the hunger he had to get back into the game when he was out injured, imagine the hunger when he's fully fit just not getting picked.
|
|
|
Post by muglump on May 4, 2016 9:44:29 GMT
I'm glad hes pissed off at not playing so he should be. He should be mithering hughes constantly about it not just as a highly paid sportsman but also as a competitor. Sadly he's a string puller and we have looked threadbare this season. It is not his job to defend and not his fault no bugger else can most of the time
|
|
|
Post by chiefdelilah on May 4, 2016 9:50:46 GMT
Bojan plays behind the striker, it's the one role in the team that doesn't require any defending, so chipping off at him for that seems unfair.
There was a point earlier in the season where he was badly struggling and rightly out of the team.
He's been desperately unlucky to be dropped of late just as he was finding some form though, and god knows what he thinks of finding himself lower down the pecking order than a player signed to play an entirely different role.
Hughes surely has big plans for him though and with a full pre-season behind him he should remind everyone next season exactly what a star he is. If he doesn't, something somewhere is seriously wrong, either with him or with us.
|
|
|
Post by mickmillslovechild on May 4, 2016 9:54:21 GMT
He'll be excellent next season. fingers crossed mate! i do agree with what bayern's been saying for a while now though in that Hughes does need to sort out what system he wants to use and start playing it regularly instead of seemingly shoehorning in every big name we've got just because. it does no favours to anyone, let alone one of the biggest talents we have who's struggling to find form after a serious injury and long lay off. most of the time Bojan gets played nowadays i've got no fucking clue where he's supposed to be and by the time i've worked it out Hughes has made subs and changed it all again. sort our Bojan's best position, sort out Affellay's best position, sort out what system he wants to play and stick to it...if that means leaving one of them out because the other is in better form then so be it. the injuries we've had this season have largely been in other positions and not really effected this area of the park too much but for some unknown reason Hughes still doesn't seem to know from one week to another what to do up top/between Glenn and the forward
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 9:59:23 GMT
I'd still like to see Boj as part of a striker pairing (just behind, I suppose, but ideally alongside) with either Diouf or Jos (but only if Jos was in his 'win everything and dominate' target-man mode).
Boj's ideal position is 'secondary striker', is it not? Not dissimilar to Muller or Griezmann?
I know their ways of setting up and playing are vastly different to us (murderball etc. and tika-taka) but Simeone seemed to use Griezmann as a foil for Torres last night (in a sort of 442) to excellent effect.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 10:21:52 GMT
Post by reddipotter on May 4, 2016 10:21:52 GMT
It seems to me that there are two issues here. One is Bojan's form. We saw a very good player for a comparatively short while just before his injury. Before that and since he has looked, apart from brief flashes, rather ordinary. The other issue is where you play him. He can really only play in a free role around other forwards. Since we change our formation every couple of games or so, it is difficult for him to settle into that role. (I can't help thinking that that's Imbula's problem, too.)If Hughes thinks Bojan is an exceptional player, he needs to settle on a formation that suits him (build the team around him, if you like) and if he doesn't rate him that highly then it's difficult to see how he gets into a Premier League team.
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on May 4, 2016 10:49:00 GMT
He'll be excellent next season. fingers crossed mate! i do agree with what bayern's been saying for a while now though in that Hughes does need to sort out what system he wants to use and start playing it regularly instead of seemingly shoehorning in every big name we've got just because. it does no favours to anyone, let alone one of the biggest talents we have who's struggling to find form after a serious injury and long lay off. most of the time Bojan gets played nowadays i've got no fucking clue where he's supposed to be and by the time i've worked it out Hughes has made subs and changed it all again. sort our Bojan's best position, sort out Affellay's best position, sort out what system he wants to play and stick to it...if that means leaving one of them out because the other is in better form then so be it. the injuries we've had this season have largely been in other positions and not really effected this area of the park too much but for some unknown reason Hughes still doesn't seem to know from one week to another what to do up top/between Glenn and the forward The problem is that playing Afellay in his best position results in dropping Bojan. So you shoehorn Afellay in and have to drop either Whelan or Imbula. Quite frankly, I don't think Whelan has been up to scratch lately, so I would have considered dropping him for the Sunderland game. That said, the decision was made easy by Afellay's injury. Still, we have a problem. I think Afellay is a vital player in our team, but I've slowly began to realize that while bayernoatcake is wrong in his vitriol about Afellay, he's right about one thing, we do attack much quicker when Bojan is in the team. Afellay won't be playing on the wings, and I think long term Bojan has to be behind the strikers. So we either drop Whelan or we drop Afellay.
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 10:59:00 GMT
via mobile
Post by timbo1988 on May 4, 2016 10:59:00 GMT
fingers crossed mate! i do agree with what bayern's been saying for a while now though in that Hughes does need to sort out what system he wants to use and start playing it regularly instead of seemingly shoehorning in every big name we've got just because. it does no favours to anyone, let alone one of the biggest talents we have who's struggling to find form after a serious injury and long lay off. most of the time Bojan gets played nowadays i've got no fucking clue where he's supposed to be and by the time i've worked it out Hughes has made subs and changed it all again. sort our Bojan's best position, sort out Affellay's best position, sort out what system he wants to play and stick to it...if that means leaving one of them out because the other is in better form then so be it. the injuries we've had this season have largely been in other positions and not really effected this area of the park too much but for some unknown reason Hughes still doesn't seem to know from one week to another what to do up top/between Glenn and the forward The problem is that playing Afellay in his best position results in dropping Bojan. So you shoehorn Afellay in and have to drop either Whelan or Imbula. Quite frankly, I don't think Whelan has been up to scratch lately, so I would have considered dropping him for the Sunderland game. That said, the decision was made easy by Afellay's injury. Still, we have a problem. I think Afellay is a vital player in our team, but I've slowly began to realize that while bayernoatcake is wrong in his vitriol about Afellay, he's right about one thing, we do attack much quicker when Bojan is in the team. Afellay won't be playing on the wings, and I think long term Bojan has to be behind the strikers. So we either drop Whelan or we drop Afellay. Afellay is out injured until Christmas though so decision is a lot easier!
|
|
|
Bojan
May 4, 2016 11:03:50 GMT
via mobile
Post by imho on May 4, 2016 11:03:50 GMT
The problem with bojan is his lack of physicality. He really needs to be played in a front 2 (the old fashioned big lad small lad) or allowed to roam from a midfield position - the problem with this is we play with one up top and if he's roaming about it leaves to many holes in midfield, especially if arnie (can get stuck in but does go missing) aff and Shaq are on the pitch. Personally I thought he looked most impressive when sjw was on the right. Silk and steel in combo!
|
|