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Post by chuffedstokie on May 11, 2016 10:28:54 GMT
If there was an opportunity to do the 'fly on the wall' gig, I'd love to be in the same room to witness the exchanges between the interested parties and find out first hand just what format takes place. How demands, stumbling blocks etc are all aired and discussed. Then fly down and sting the wankers into action and get something done. (or not).
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Post by nott1 on May 13, 2016 11:29:00 GMT
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Post by Discovery Stoke on May 15, 2016 9:23:46 GMT
We really need to get behind the lads today. Nobody more than Arnie. By a million miles our best outfield player this year and is worth the entry fee alone just to watch him sometimes. We need to show him the love that we always have done and then some.
I for one will be absolutely devastated if today is the last time we see Arnie in a Stoke shirt. He really has been a guy that has deserved the number 10 shirt off Ric
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 9:42:57 GMT
We really need to get behind the lads today. Nobody more than Arnie. By a million miles our best outfield player this year and is worth the entry fee alone just to watch him sometimes. We need to show him the love that we always have done and then some. I for one will be absolutely devastated if today is the last time we see Arnie in a Stoke shirt. He really has been a guy that has deserved the number 10 shirt off Ric West Ham will be very vocal as always. Even if we are second best in this game we really do need to support the team well, regardless of results.....atmosphere is everything and this seasons vocal support has been pretty much a washout .....it's end of season lets bring the bear pit back, just for one game at least please.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on May 15, 2016 9:44:45 GMT
Whats annoying is his continued insistence that he doesn't get involved in his negotiations..bollox.. Arnie. Passing the buck to your agent brother is beneath you. If you wanted to stay you are the decision maker not him...just be honest and tell everyone whats going on..you want away on big money to a champions league team after one decent season. Breaking news...no one is in for you at that level... and the other mans grass is not always greener. Just sayin'
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 9:55:58 GMT
Whats annoying is his continued insistence that he doesn't get involved in his negotiations..bollox.. Arnie. Passing the buck to your agent brother is beneath you. If you wanted to stay you are the decision maker not him...just be honest and tell everyone whats going on..you want away on big money to a champions league team after one decent season. Breaking news...no one is in for you at that level... and the other mans grass is not always greener. Just sayin' Fair points.
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Post by AlliG on May 15, 2016 10:07:50 GMT
Whats annoying is his continued insistence that he doesn't get involved in his negotiations..bollox.. Arnie. Passing the buck to your agent brother is beneath you. If you wanted to stay you are the decision maker not him...just be honest and tell everyone whats going on..you want away on big money to a champions league team after one decent season. Breaking news...no one is in for you at that level... and the other mans grass is not always greener. Just sayin' Footballers are not known for their intellectual capacity. Brains in their feet is not too far from the truth. Without knowing the specifics about Arnie's financial and legal knowledge, why would anyone expect a footballer to negotiate with people who are experts in financial and legal matters. That is what you pay your agent to do. I wouldn't be too surprised if the Clubs don't prefer the players to stay out of most of the negotiations beyond the initial and final phases.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on May 15, 2016 10:14:21 GMT
Whats annoying is his continued insistence that he doesn't get involved in his negotiations..bollox.. Arnie. Passing the buck to your agent brother is beneath you. If you wanted to stay you are the decision maker not him...just be honest and tell everyone whats going on..you want away on big money to a champions league team after one decent season. Breaking news...no one is in for you at that level... and the other mans grass is not always greener. Just sayin' Footballers are not known for their intellectual capacity. Brains in their feet is not too far from the truth. Without knowing the specifics about Arnie's financial and legal knowledge, why would anyone expect a footballer to negotiate with people who are experts in financial and legal matters. That is what you pay your agent to do. I wouldn't be too surprised if the Clubs don't prefer the players to stay out of most of the negotiations beyond the initial and final phases. All he needs to do is say..".I have told my brother i am happy here and want to stay and he is trying to reach a deal with the club" Nothing more.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 10:16:55 GMT
Whats annoying is his continued insistence that he doesn't get involved in his negotiations..bollox.. Arnie. Passing the buck to your agent brother is beneath you. If you wanted to stay you are the decision maker not him...just be honest and tell everyone whats going on..you want away on big money to a champions league team after one decent season. Breaking news...no one is in for you at that level... and the other mans grass is not always greener. Just sayin' How do you know? PSG were rumoured in Jan. They're a champions league side. As for the grass isn't always greener, there's two sides. There's Asmir and there's N'Zonzi. Arnie owes Stoke nothing. If he goes we should wish him well as he steps up his career. If he doesn't, bonus.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 15, 2016 10:22:04 GMT
I don't think he'll have a better thing than he has with us. He's truly idolised because he's our kingpin and we love him for all his faults. If he goes elsewhere fans could get on his back after a couple of bad games. I truly think he's at the best place for both us and him. I cant help thinking that some of him not signing is down to Scholes.
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Post by AlliG on May 15, 2016 10:26:00 GMT
Footballers are not known for their intellectual capacity. Brains in their feet is not too far from the truth. Without knowing the specifics about Arnie's financial and legal knowledge, why would anyone expect a footballer to negotiate with people who are experts in financial and legal matters. That is what you pay your agent to do. I wouldn't be too surprised if the Clubs don't prefer the players to stay out of most of the negotiations beyond the initial and final phases. All he needs to do is say..".I have told my brother i am happy here and want to stay and he is trying to reach a deal with the club" Nothing more. Why? To paraphrase Sam Goldwyn, such a verbal statement isn't worth the paper it is written on. He is a professional footballer. This is his career. Why would you expect him to base his decisions on some sentimental tosh and not hard headed logic. He is a player who was unsuccessful at one of Europe's biggest clubs, who stepped down a level to rebuild his reputation and is shortly to play on the 2nd biggest stage in World football. Big performances over the summer and who knows. Why would anyone want to make a decision before The Euros are over? I would love to see him sign up long time and be successful here.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 15, 2016 10:28:59 GMT
I don't think he'll have a better thing than he has with us. He's truly idolised because he's our kingpin and we love him for all his faults. If he goes elsewhere fans could get on his back after a couple of bad games. I truly think he's at the best place for both us and him. I cant help thinking that some of him not signing is down to Scholes. Based on what though Cobham? Footballers don't think like that. They want to achieve as much success and win as much as they can over what is a short career.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 15, 2016 10:33:12 GMT
He's doing what's best for Arnie and his young family and rightly so. Remember we are the only constant at Stoke.
You have a product that has a shelf life of another 5 or 6 years. You have a chance to showcase that product at a major European convention where you may be able to increase your sales whilst also having the security of a more than respectable income from home sales and a chance to carry that on, even increasing it slightly.
Do you:
a. Sign for the domestic market and forget about increasing your sales markedly. b. Wait to see how the European convention goes.
I really hope he stays but he's hardly likely to come out and say what's really going on and alienating his current fanbase. I have no doubt he has a lot of feelings for Stoke and may be sad to leave, but at the end of the day he has to look after himself.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 10:35:49 GMT
If its the last day I will see him in our colours - I will be gutted
watching this fella has been a privilege
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 15, 2016 10:36:57 GMT
I don't think he'll have a better thing than he has with us. He's truly idolised because he's our kingpin and we love him for all his faults. If he goes elsewhere fans could get on his back after a couple of bad games. I truly think he's at the best place for both us and him. I cant help thinking that some of him not signing is down to Scholes. Based on what though Cobham? Footballers don't think like that. They want to achieve as much success and win as much as they can over what is a short career. Based on numerous players that have left in the past and never quite achieved what they were hoping for. Most recently Bego, NZonzi and Sheron. I guess only time will tell. I just don't want him to go I guess that's why I got his name on my shirt this season . I seem to be a bit of a jinx with shirt names as last season I got Bojan. I think this season I'll leave it blank.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 15, 2016 10:49:24 GMT
I would say its about 60% sure he will leave in the summer.
We are a stepping stone club in the Prem at the moment. We can only break that cycle by qualifying for European football on a semi-regular basis.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 15, 2016 10:49:45 GMT
Based on what though Cobham? Footballers don't think like that. They want to achieve as much success and win as much as they can over what is a short career. Based on numerous players that have left in the past and never quite achieved what they were hoping for. Most recently Bego, NZonzi and Sheron. I guess only time will tell. I just don't want him to go I guess that's why I got his name on my shirt this season . I seem to be a bit of a jinx with shirt names as last season I got Bojan. I think this season I'll leave it blank. I mean what basis is there for blaming Scholes for this one specifically? Of course the grass isn't always greener, but they're top professionals and they back themselves to succeed at any level. If they didn't they wouldn't be the players they are. Nzonzi's done pretty well hasn't he? Played Champions League football, playing in a European final, might qualify for the Champions League again?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 15, 2016 11:00:56 GMT
Interesting view on Scholes .
I'd argue that next level first base is keeping your best players Everton and Leicester showed that In the last tie windows
We on the other hand lost the centre piece of our team Last year blah blah but who lets the best players get to the last year .
Always been my view our stadium shop and customer service are amateurish by our new elevated status we out grew certain players and manager and yet we still have the same CEO and the same Issues
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Post by wuzza on May 15, 2016 11:02:10 GMT
He's doing what's best for Arnie and his young family and rightly so. Remember we are the only constant at Stoke. You have a product that has a shelf life of another 5 or 6 years. You have a chance to showcase that product at a major European convention where you may be able to increase your sales whilst also having the security of a more than respectable income from home sales and a chance to carry that on, even increasing it slightly. Do you: a. Sign for the domestic market and forget about increasing your sales markedly. b. Wait to see how the European convention goes. I really hope he stays but he's hardly likely to come out and say what's really going on and alienating his current fanbase. I have no doubt he has a lot of feelings for Stoke and may be sad to leave, but at the end of the day he has to look after himself. Best for his family - probably to stay put where you are settled and are earning more money than you will be able to spend in this lifetime! Professionally - the bloke doesn't fit in easily, wherever he goes to it will be a big gamble for him and the club involved. Could easily be the end of his top level career, he has struggled often enough before. Conclusion - he is daft if he moves to anything other than a club guaranteed to bring him honours, playing time and a massive boost in income. ( sadly though the agents interests usually have the biggest part to play in these decisions)
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 15, 2016 11:07:48 GMT
He's doing what's best for Arnie and his young family and rightly so. Remember we are the only constant at Stoke. You have a product that has a shelf life of another 5 or 6 years. You have a chance to showcase that product at a major European convention where you may be able to increase your sales whilst also having the security of a more than respectable income from home sales and a chance to carry that on, even increasing it slightly. Do you: a. Sign for the domestic market and forget about increasing your sales markedly. b. Wait to see how the European convention goes. I really hope he stays but he's hardly likely to come out and say what's really going on and alienating his current fanbase. I have no doubt he has a lot of feelings for Stoke and may be sad to leave, but at the end of the day he has to look after himself. Best for his family - probably to stay put where you are settled and are earning more money than you will be able to spend in this lifetime! Professionally - the bloke doesn't fit in easily, wherever he goes to it will be a big gamble for him and the club involved. Could easily be the end of his top level career, he has struggled often enough before. Conclusion - he is daft if he moves to anything other than a club guaranteed to bring him honours, playing time and a massive boost in income. ( sadly though the agents interests usually have the biggest part to play in these decisions) Well that's the point he has the chance of a massive boost in income but will get a boost in income if he stays anyway. So he's not going to make a stement and piss on his chips here.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 15, 2016 11:31:48 GMT
He's doing what's best for Arnie and his young family and rightly so. Remember we are the only constant at Stoke. You have a product that has a shelf life of another 5 or 6 years. You have a chance to showcase that product at a major European convention where you may be able to increase your sales whilst also having the security of a more than respectable income from home sales and a chance to carry that on, even increasing it slightly. Do you: a. Sign for the domestic market and forget about increasing your sales markedly. b. Wait to see how the European convention goes. I really hope he stays but he's hardly likely to come out and say what's really going on and alienating his current fanbase. I have no doubt he has a lot of feelings for Stoke and may be sad to leave, but at the end of the day he has to look after himself. Best for his family - probably to stay put where you are settled and are earning more money than you will be able to spend in this lifetime! Professionally - the bloke doesn't fit in easily, wherever he goes to it will be a big gamble for him and the club involved. Could easily be the end of his top level career, he has struggled often enough before. Conclusion - he is daft if he moves to anything other than a club guaranteed to bring him honours, playing time and a massive boost in income. ( sadly though the agents interests usually have the biggest part to play in these decisions) What I was trying to say just better
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Post by stantheman on May 15, 2016 11:31:56 GMT
Please dont get injured today. I'm taking my kids ro see Austria v Iceland in Paris on 22nd June
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Post by Clayton Wood on May 15, 2016 11:39:34 GMT
Whats annoying is his continued insistence that he doesn't get involved in his negotiations..bollox.. Arnie. Passing the buck to your agent brother is beneath you. If you wanted to stay you are the decision maker not him...just be honest and tell everyone whats going on..you want away on big money to a champions league team after one decent season. Breaking news...no one is in for you at that level... and the other mans grass is not always greener. Just sayin' It's a win-win this way for him though. If he goes the he can say his brother negotiated a better deal at a bigger (CL?) club and it was too good to turn down. If he stays he can say despite the interest, he feels at home here, and no matter what his brother brought to the table he's made his own mind up to sign a new contract with us. Goes= Brother found a dream move, blame him. Stays= Turned down better offers to stay, I came good.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 15, 2016 11:41:26 GMT
I'm sure there will be plenty of body language experts on later to tell us what's happening.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 15, 2016 11:45:33 GMT
£2 million we paid for him, that's it.
One of the greatest pieces of transfer business this club has ever finalised, to replace him will cost a minimum of £20 million, minimum.
A superb footballer who can be frustrating at times, but when he's on song he's worth the admission fee alone, if he does go I'll be fucking gutted, I love Arnie, the sad thing is though is there's some fans who can't wait to see the back of him, which makes me sick.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 15, 2016 11:49:50 GMT
He's doing what's best for Arnie and his young family and rightly so. Remember we are the only constant at Stoke. You have a product that has a shelf life of another 5 or 6 years. You have a chance to showcase that product at a major European convention where you may be able to increase your sales whilst also having the security of a more than respectable income from home sales and a chance to carry that on, even increasing it slightly. Do you: a. Sign for the domestic market and forget about increasing your sales markedly. b. Wait to see how the European convention goes. I really hope he stays but he's hardly likely to come out and say what's really going on and alienating his current fanbase. I have no doubt he has a lot of feelings for Stoke and may be sad to leave, but at the end of the day he has to look after himself. Best for his family - probably to stay put where you are settled and are earning more money than you will be able to spend in this lifetime! Professionally - the bloke doesn't fit in easily, wherever he goes to it will be a big gamble for him and the club involved. Could easily be the end of his top level career, he has struggled often enough before. Conclusion - he is daft if he moves to anything other than a club guaranteed to bring him honours, playing time and a massive boost in income. ( sadly though the agents interests usually have the biggest part to play in these decisions) I really don't think any of us are qualified to tell Marko Arnautovic what's best for his family.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 15, 2016 12:07:51 GMT
Can we please give the great man an awesome reception today given it could be his last game. Finest footballer this club have had in years.
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Post by milky on May 15, 2016 12:23:44 GMT
If he has a stormer today and gets a hat trick you won't know whether to laugh or cry !
My gut feeling is today is his farewell appearance. Love to be wrong though !
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 15, 2016 12:30:32 GMT
If he stays it will be fantastic,if he goes,he will no longer be a Stoke player,so fuck him.
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Post by lordb on May 15, 2016 12:45:02 GMT
Not had a red card At Stoke
Just saying...
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