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Post by ryan4england on Mar 26, 2016 8:04:39 GMT
I wonder if Roy will grow a set and drop Rooney for the Euros? Wooney won't be dwopped he's captain and expewienced in touwnament football, he's failed many times
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 26, 2016 8:25:44 GMT
With the squad we've picked I'd have stuck Walcott out wide. Lallana's in form and Walcott isn't. Lallana is garbage. If it's about form, why not Drinkwater over Henderson
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 26, 2016 8:27:47 GMT
Lallana's in form and Walcott isn't. Lallana is garbage. If it's about form, why not Drinkwater over Henderson He should be playing Drinkwater or Noble or Barkley or anybody instead of Henderson I agree. But that's the mistake, not the Lallana pick IMO. I thought we wanted the team picked on form and Roy was a senile old fool for not doing that?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 26, 2016 8:29:30 GMT
With the squad we've picked I'd have stuck Walcott out wide. He's having a nightmare season and is the Arsenal fans whipping boy If you think Lallana has been shit I'm not sure how you come to Walcott Because I think Lallana is that bad. And Theo carries more of a goal threat.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 26, 2016 8:30:47 GMT
Lallana is garbage. If it's about form, why not Drinkwater over Henderson He should be playing Drinkwater or Noble or Barkley or anybody instead of Henderson I agree. But that's the mistake, not the Lallana pick IMO. I thought we wanted the team picked on form and Roy was a senile old fool for not doing that? Should be Albrighton out wide then.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 26, 2016 8:33:44 GMT
Lallana is not usually my cup of tea but he's playing well at the moment and Klopp looks to be making a player out of him. He's looked direct, clever and creative rather than insipid and moaney like he was under Rodgers.
Think that improvement warrants a go in the circumstances.
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Post by werrington on Mar 26, 2016 8:34:58 GMT
He's having a nightmare season and is the Arsenal fans whipping boy If you think Lallana has been shit I'm not sure how you come to Walcott Because I think Lallana is that bad. And Theo carries more of a goal threat. In it at all advocating Lallana mate just pointing out Walcott is having a mare this season and is probably only selected due to his name Just what has happened to him and still only about 27 ?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 26, 2016 8:40:39 GMT
Because I think Lallana is that bad. And Theo carries more of a goal threat. In it at all advocating Lallana mate just pointing out Walcott is having a mare this season and is probably only selected due to his name Just what has happened to him and still only about 27 ? I'd still take a chance on him due to his pace (one of the most valuable asset for attackers) and he does carry more of a goal theat. I'd even give Vardy a game on the left side of attack. Again, pace, goal threat and assists.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 26, 2016 8:41:55 GMT
Don't you need to have a bit of creativity out wide somewhere as well though?
And Theo's goal threat for England amounts to two against San Marino and one against Estonia in the last three years.
He shouldn't be anywhere near the squad.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 26, 2016 8:50:32 GMT
Don't you need to have a bit of creativity out wide somewhere as well though? And Theo's goal threat for England amounts to two against San Marino and one against Estonia in the last three years. He shouldn't be anywhere near the squad. Creativity? How many goals and assists has Vardy got this season? He's not just a goal scorer.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 26, 2016 8:51:10 GMT
Don't you need to have a bit of creativity out wide somewhere as well though? And Theo's goal threat for England amounts to two against San Marino and one against Estonia in the last three years. He shouldn't be anywhere near the squad. Creativity? How many goals and assists has Vardy got this season? He's not just a goal scorer. Vardy isn't a wide player though.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 26, 2016 8:53:22 GMT
Creativity? How many goals and assists has Vardy got this season? He's not just a goal scorer. Vardy isn't a wide player though. I'm not suggesting he play on the wing. Similar to Welbeck on the other side.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 26, 2016 8:57:42 GMT
Vardy isn't a wide player though. I'm not suggesting he play on the wing. Similar to Welbeck on the other side. Welbeck does play wide quite often though and has done ok in that role. I also think if you have three out and out strikers in your front three who from the rest of that side is going to create for them? It puts a lot of pressure on Delle Alli and the full backs.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 26, 2016 9:00:02 GMT
I'm not suggesting he play on the wing. Similar to Welbeck on the other side. Welbeck does play wide quite often though and has done ok in that role. I also think if you have three out and out strikers in your front three who from the rest of that side is going to create for them? It puts a lot of pressure on Delle Alli and the full backs. Vardy has the same number of assists as Lallana in the Premier League this season.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 26, 2016 9:02:03 GMT
Welbeck does play wide quite often though and has done ok in that role. I also think if you have three out and out strikers in your front three who from the rest of that side is going to create for them? It puts a lot of pressure on Delle Alli and the full backs. Vardy has the same number of assists as Lallana in the Premier League this season. But he isn't a wide player. He looks lost when he plays out wide. It wouldn't be doing him or us any favours to shoehorn him out of position when Lallana is currently playing well in that position.
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Post by roostershair on Mar 26, 2016 9:04:45 GMT
Because I think Lallana is that bad. And Theo carries more of a goal threat. In it at all advocating Lallana mate just pointing out Walcott is having a mare this season and is probably only selected due to his name Just what has happened to him and still only about 27 ? You asked if I would call Hodgson a senile old prick if he picks Jack? Yes, I would!! ok?
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Post by hotterpotter on Mar 26, 2016 9:09:46 GMT
So who do you suggest....and please don't say Noble! With the squad we've picked I'd have stuck Walcott out wide. Walcott's injured apparently - someone gave him a dead leg.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 26, 2016 9:10:53 GMT
Vardy has the same number of assists as Lallana in the Premier League this season. But he isn't a wide player. He looks lost when he plays out wide. It wouldn't be doing him or us any favours to shoehorn him out of position when Lallana is currently playing well in that position. I do agree that Lallana has improved recently but I just think Roy would have picked him regardless. He's one of those who seems to get picked regardless, due to who he plays for more than how his form is. Same with Downing when he played for said club. And Carroll. And Henderson. Etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 9:11:40 GMT
Lallana will never cut it at international level, nice skilful player but lacks a yard of pace and any real strength. If I was a manager of a top European nation looking at England's line up seeing Lallana (and Henderson) I'd be having a wry smile......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 9:13:22 GMT
With the squad we've picked I'd have stuck Walcott out wide. Walcott's injured apparently - someone gave him a dead leg. He's had a dead head for 10 years but never stopped England managers picking him for some reason?
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Post by hotterpotter on Mar 26, 2016 9:17:04 GMT
Walcott's injured apparently - someone gave him a dead leg. He's had a dead head for 10 years but never stopped England managers picking him for some reason? True. Can run fast but not much football going on in the brain it seems!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 26, 2016 9:17:56 GMT
If he picks Forster he'll have an anti-Stoke agenda. If he picks Butland he'll be 'hanging him out to dry against the world champions'. He is up there as one of the worst managers in England history Rob (statistically) so i suspect whatever decision he makes will be wrong. It was an utter scandel that Hodgson wasnt potted after such a shambolic world cup exit in Brazil.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 26, 2016 9:19:46 GMT
If he picks Forster he'll have an anti-Stoke agenda. If he picks Butland he'll be 'hanging him out to dry against the world champions'. He is up there as one of the worst managers in England history Rob (statistically) so i suspect whatever decision he makes will be wrong. It was an utter scandel that Hodgson wasnt potted after such a shambolic world cup exit in Brazil. Can you point me in the direction of these stats mate? He's just a bang average England manager. There have been at least three worse in my lifetime alone.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 26, 2016 9:40:07 GMT
I wonder if Roy will grow a set and drop Rooney for the Euros? Of course he won't, he plays for Man U you know. And when fit is one of the best we have. But let's not let that fact get in the way.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 26, 2016 9:42:58 GMT
Of course he won't, he plays for Man U you know. And when fit is one of the best we have. But let's not let that fact get in the way. He's not done much this season to warrant a start. On form it has to be Kane through the middle. Dele in behind.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 9:47:03 GMT
Lallana is garbage. If it's about form, why not Drinkwater over Henderson He should be playing Drinkwater or Noble or Barkley or anybody instead of Henderson I agree. But that's the mistake, not the Lallana pick IMO. I thought we wanted the team picked on form and Roy was a senile old fool for not doing that? Drinkwater was due to start, but then he shit in the bath
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 26, 2016 10:20:50 GMT
He is up there as one of the worst managers in England history Rob (statistically) so i suspect whatever decision he makes will be wrong. It was an utter scandel that Hodgson wasnt potted after such a shambolic world cup exit in Brazil. Can you point me in the direction of these stats mate? He's just a bang average England manager. There have been at least three worse in my lifetime alone. Getting knocked out in the Euro quarters followed by failure to get out the group stages of a world cup. Can you tell me how many England managers have been allowed to take England to a third major tournament after such failure? He should have been sacked after the euros when it was clear he didnt have a plan b and had no idea how to put out a team capable of keeping possession for any length of time. The result aside (ie we didnt lose in normal time), our performance against Italy in Ukraine was hapless. Who are the two managers you have in mind? Sven and Glenn Hoddle make this guy look shit let alone a manager who might actually come close to (dare i say it) winning something. The worst thing about all this is that after weve failed in France this year, the fa are threatening to renew his contract. No wonder Woy has a grin on his face these days.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 26, 2016 10:28:41 GMT
Can you point me in the direction of these stats mate? He's just a bang average England manager. There have been at least three worse in my lifetime alone. Getting knocked out in the Euro quarters followed by failure to get out the group stages of a world cup. Can you tell me how many England managers have been allowed to take England to a third major tournament after such failure? He should have been sacked after the euros when it was clear he didnt have a plan b and had no idea how to put out a team capable of keeping possession for any length of time. The result aside (ie we didnt lose in normal time), our performance against Italy in Ukraine was hapless. Who are the two managers you have in mind? Sven and Glenn Hoddle make this guy look shit let alone a manager who might actually come close to (dare i say it) winning something. The worst thing about all this is that after weve failed in France this year, the fa are threatening to renew his contract. No wonder Woy has a grin on his face these days. I agree there was a case for him to go after the world cup. Taylor, Keegan and McClaren were all worse England managers. I don't think he did badly at Euro 2012 given the circumstances. Got through a group that wasn't easy and came within penalties of the semis. World Cup was a disaster absolutely and that's on him. He really needs someone to talk for him as he buries himself every time he opens his mouth and his big club obsession is a bit embarrassing, but I like that he's brought some talented young players through and he's done better than those managers who couldn't even get us to qualify for major tournaments. I think he's gone after the Euros regardless of how we do. I also think history might remember him as being a better manager that he's currently thought of.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 26, 2016 10:29:40 GMT
Can you point me in the direction of these stats mate? He's just a bang average England manager. There have been at least three worse in my lifetime alone. Getting knocked out in the Euro quarters followed by failure to get out the group stages of a world cup. Can you tell me how many England managers have been allowed to take England to a third major tournament after such failure? He should have been sacked after the euros when it was clear he didnt have a plan b and had no idea how to put out a team capable of keeping possession for any length of time. The result aside (ie we didnt lose in normal time), our performance against Italy in Ukraine was hapless. Who are the two managers you have in mind? Sven and Glenn Hoddle make this guy look shit let alone a manager who might actually come close to (dare i say it) winning something. The worst thing about all this is that after weve failed in France this year, the fa are threatening to renew his contract. No wonder Woy has a grin on his face these days. Keegan Taylor and Revie were much worse. Until July 1st 1990 Robson was widely reviled. All things borne in mind Roys record isn't too bad. England are a bang average football international team. Look at the records and compare ours with other nations. The rest of the world doesn't bat an eyelid when we get knocked out. We have never had true world power status. In an age where the world's medium standard teams develop and we stand still why would we do better than before? Screaming the P word is no use.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 26, 2016 10:30:48 GMT
Can you point me in the direction of these stats mate? He's just a bang average England manager. There have been at least three worse in my lifetime alone. Getting knocked out in the Euro quarters followed by failure to get out the group stages of a world cup. Can you tell me how many England managers have been allowed to take England to a third major tournament after such failure? He should have been sacked after the euros when it was clear he didnt have a plan b and had no idea how to put out a team capable of keeping possession for any length of time. The result aside (ie we didnt lose in normal time), our performance against Italy in Ukraine was hapless. Who are the two managers you have in mind? Sven and Glenn Hoddle make this guy look shit let alone a manager who might actually come close to (dare i say it) winning something. The worst thing about all this is that after weve failed in France this year, the fa are threatening to renew his contract. No wonder Woy has a grin on his face these days. Keegan Taylor and Revie were much worse. Until July 1st 1990 Robson was widely reviled. All things borne in mind Roys record isn't too bad. England are a bang average football international team. Look at the records and compare ours with other nations. The rest of the world doesn't bat an eyelid when we get knocked out. We have never had true world power status. In an age where the world's medium standard teams develop and we stand still why would we do better than before? Screaming the P word is no use.
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