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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 11:11:27 GMT
And ladies and Gents this is why depression is still hard to admit because of the reaction it gets, I knew as soon as this thread was posted it would end this way in bitter arguments and with somebody deleting from the forum.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 8, 2016 11:17:35 GMT
I don't really want to go into own experiences but if anyone here is suffering ........ exercise! I don't know if it is medically advised but it's certainly helped me in the past. Exercise is very advisable, it effectively triggers the release of "happiness chemicals" from the brain. Problem is motivating yourself to do it in the first place and to maintain it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 14:42:34 GMT
I don't really want to go into own experiences but if anyone here is suffering ........ exercise! I don't know if it is medically advised but it's certainly helped me in the past. Exercise is very advisable, it effectively triggers the release of "happiness chemicals" from the brain. Problem is motivating yourself to do it in the first place and to maintain it. Very true, it can take weeks to make that initial first commitment. Once you do though, I have always found there is nothing better. From my own experience having too much time to think is one of the biggest causes and naturally when you do an 8 mile run you have a lot of time to think, though your thoughts are considerably more positive than say if you were lying in bed. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jan 9, 2016 12:11:37 GMT
Sorry, I've been awol for a few days and just opened the thread this morning.
To the OP and anyone else. I agree with thevoid, if you are worried about depression go and see your doctor. Take that step. Things can get better for you.
riv makes the point that other people such as the Alton Towers injured and others suffer more and by implication he has "less right" to be depressed. That "guilty" feeling is felt at some point by most people suffering depression.
If you are reading this riv, I'd go back to the doctor and ask about options other than antidepressants if you aren't happy with them. I found Cognitive Behaviour Therapy to be useful.
Lastly, come back to the OC riv. The more ex-Black Horsers the better mate!
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Post by borat on Jan 9, 2016 12:25:14 GMT
I'm in a very very dark place at the minute and have suffered depression for 17 years. It is by far the most horrible, evil thing ever, I'd prefer physical pain than the mental torture I have to suffer day in day out. I am on anti-depressants and they help 20% or thereabouts but they don't stop it. The thing that keeps me going is my son.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jan 9, 2016 12:32:55 GMT
I'm in a very very dark place at the minute and have suffered depression for 17 years. It is by far the most horrible, evil thing ever, I'd prefer physical pain than the mental torture I have to suffer day in day out. I am on anti-depressants and they help 20% or thereabouts but they don't stop it. The thing that keeps me going is my son. Keep going mate. The CBT did me a bit of good. And plenty of exercise, as mentioned above. I try and get out for a walk and a bit of fresh air first thing. |
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Post by borat on Jan 9, 2016 12:38:05 GMT
I've tried everything mate like I say 17 years. Exercise doesn't really do it for me or long walks because if I'm alone all I'm doing is thinking. I'm getting fed up of battling it and I think to myself " is it worth battling this for the next 30/40/50 years" is life really that important?? My sisters ex boyfriend suffered from it and sadly he took his own life about 8 weeks ago.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 9, 2016 12:44:50 GMT
I've tried everything mate like I say 17 years. Exercise doesn't really do it for me or long walks because if I'm alone all I'm doing is thinking. I'm getting fed up of battling it and I think to myself " is it worth battling this for the next 30/40/50 years" is life really that important?? My sisters ex boyfriend suffered from it and sadly he took his own life about 8 weeks ago. Life is really that worth it, I have also been battling severe depression bought on by working for psychological bullies, I take medication daily which does help have been through CBT which sort of helped, I gave had super support from my immediate family and immense myself in physical work as much as possible which works for me, keep on battling lad. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jan 9, 2016 13:07:22 GMT
I've tried everything mate like I say 17 years. Exercise doesn't really do it for me or long walks because if I'm alone all I'm doing is thinking. I'm getting fed up of battling it and I think to myself " is it worth battling this for the next 30/40/50 years" is life really that important?? My sisters ex boyfriend suffered from it and sadly he took his own life about 8 weeks ago. It runs in my family. I'm ok now but I struggled off and on in the past. It can get better mate. Try not to dwell on the sad news about your sisters ex. If you are feeling particularly poorly at the moment I'd go and see the doctor. Perhaps some change to your medication might be useful. The council used to organise regular walking groups, if individual exercise doesn't do you much good. Might be worth looking into. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 9, 2016 13:22:58 GMT
I've tried everything mate like I say 17 years. Exercise doesn't really do it for me or long walks because if I'm alone all I'm doing is thinking. I'm getting fed up of battling it and I think to myself " is it worth battling this for the next 30/40/50 years" is life really that important?? My sisters ex boyfriend suffered from it and sadly he took his own life about 8 weeks ago. It runs in my family. I'm ok now but I struggled off and on in the past. It can get better mate. Try not to dwell on the sad news about your sisters ex. If you are feeling particularly poorly at the moment I'd go and see the doctor. Perhaps some change to your medication might be useful. The council used to organise regular walking groups, if individual exercise doesn't do you much good. Might be worth looking into. Amen to that. Best wishes Borat. |
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Post by heavysoul on Jan 9, 2016 13:54:36 GMT
I know it is a taboo subject, but does anyone get depressed? Not taboo at all ! In the times we live in now it's more common than you think everyone knows someone who is affected by this. |
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 9, 2016 14:24:23 GMT
I've tried everything mate like I say 17 years. Exercise doesn't really do it for me or long walks because if I'm alone all I'm doing is thinking. I'm getting fed up of battling it and I think to myself " is it worth battling this for the next 30/40/50 years" is life really that important?? My sisters ex boyfriend suffered from it and sadly he took his own life about 8 weeks ago. As Winston Churchill, a renowned depressive once said. If you find yourself going through Hell, don't stop. As you know Borat, it comes in cycles & some are worse than others. Just take it one day at a time & know that although it may not be perfect, it will get better & console yourself in your son, remembering how much you love himXx |
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 9, 2016 17:41:03 GMT
Borat
Don't give up.
Your Son is clearly and obviously your World.
I'm no expert, but have suffered, on and off, for 20 years.
Maybe use your Son, a photo, an event or special occasion with him as
a memory 'trigger' to try and turn your thought around.
All the best (you're not alone)
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 9, 2016 19:30:49 GMT
I'm in a very very dark place at the minute and have suffered depression for 17 years. It is by far the most horrible, evil thing ever, I'd prefer physical pain than the mental torture I have to suffer day in day out. I am on anti-depressants and they help 20% or thereabouts but they don't stop it. The thing that keeps me going is my son. He is your future you are his, he needs you and you need him, my kids and grandchildren have helped me all the best . |
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 9, 2016 20:05:03 GMT
Great that we're talking like this, I had a long period of depression after my accident (not right at the start when I was elated to be alive, when the rality kicked in post-hospital and rehab was my low point), thankfully not had it long term at any other time in my life (as yet) but one of my best mates does and she's had some really tough times, even with meds and good support she feels she's on a tightrope and could fall at any time  |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 9, 2016 21:03:58 GMT
Great that we're talking like this, I had a long period of depression after my accident (not right at the start when I was elated to be alive, when the rality kicked in post-hospital and rehab was my low point), thankfully not had it long term at any other time in my life (as yet) but one of my best mates does and she's had some really tough times, even with meds and good support she feels she's on a tightrope and could fall at any time Let's hope there is a safety net in place if she does, it still seems that treatment for depression is not all it could be, it is enlightening but disturbing at the same time that on a football message board there are so many of our posters who have been directly or indirectly affected by this horrible debilitating illness that can not be seen, the company I worked for boasted their support and expertise in dealing with people with health issues and disabilities !, when I was diagnosed with depression which my direct boss attributed to in a major way (in my opinion and my counsellor) they gave me very little support and even less understanding, I am still fighting for my pension on the grounds of ill health which they are still refusing to consent to after 18 months. |
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Post by robstokie on Jan 9, 2016 21:22:09 GMT
Whilst depression is not as much of a taboo subject as it was in the past, and awareness/information available to sufferers and their loved ones is better than ever, the biggest problem with peoples perceptions about depression is that it is a short term illness. The truth is that depression, in my opinion, never really leaves you when you have got it, but you learn to cope with it to a certain extent and needs to be looked upon as a long-term illness. In short, we need to change the perception that depression can be cured by a few weeks of therapy or pills, and start to look at it as an ongoing battle.
As someone who has been on anti-depressants since last year, but in hindsight been struggling with it for as long as I can remember, the best advice I can give anyone suffering is to firstly admit to yourself that you are struggling, then, when you are ready, open up to people who are closest to you and try and get yourself to the doctors.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 9, 2016 21:28:45 GMT
I spent an internship doing research in Parliament and another intern was doing mental health. The job was basically to go around interviewing loads of experts then write a 4-page note that sort of becomes a crib sheet for politicians or government people working on the topic. His report was "Parity of Esteem for Mental Health" and it's here. Full of government language but it looks like people are starting to take serious notice of how important mental health is and experts are seeing that mental and physical health are linked. At a hospital in Birmingham they started providing mental health support and they reckon it saves millions a year because it's a cheaper way of making people get better, faster. |
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Post by borat on Jan 10, 2016 15:34:13 GMT
I'm not after sympathy or attention but this is probably the lowest I've been since 2007 when I went prison (again due to depression). I'm in debt, I haven't a penny to my name, I'm on the sick (but still employed,JUST), my relationship is horrible (but I've got nowhere else go). If I get out of this it will be a miracle.
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 10, 2016 20:06:11 GMT
Suffered myself off and on over the years to point I emigrated to New Zealand thinking I'd leave all my troubles behind it worked for a bit then we issues with my lad being bullied for being English and my missus missing family.
Came back and was drinking heavy the doctor told me my liver count was high and I broke down in the surgery and the advise he gave me was well just cut down on the beer a bit!
I did myself use exercise and went from 19 stone down to 14 and a half stone but have recently had a bout and drunk too much, I don't eat but then when you've had a few you end up eating all the wrong food at the wrong time but am in a better frame of mind again mow and kicked back in with the exercise to help.
A few on here will know a good friend of our family and great lad who we will be burying a week tomorrow after he lost his fight with it and took his own life at just 37 leaving behind a wife and 4 children.
I still think a lot goes undiagnosed in my opinion simply because of the cost on the NHS.
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Post by 36dd on Jan 10, 2016 23:02:56 GMT
Due to past events that clearly changed my life I've been depressed to go as far as taking an overdose when I was about 17. I eventually seeked the right counselling which helped me come to terms with it.
But on occasion the anxiety comes back & I get down, the guilt is horrible as I'm happily married & have two beautiful children.
My ego gets in the way to go the doctors & I try to deal with it without the assistance of prescribed medicines.
Usually I will get caught up in the emotion of having to attend a funeral or learn of someone dying unexpected. Again feeling guilty of how I have previously felt about myself.
I think exercise does help me & when I have a healthy diet I feel more positive.
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Post by borat on Jan 10, 2016 23:59:13 GMT
Depression can be as destructive as any physical condition. It's not a case of making a choice not to be depressed it's a biological response to a trauma or summated traumas that causes a literal drop in serotonin levels in the body, which in turn damages cognition in the brain. It should never be taboo, because it can happen to anyone, at anytime. The current treatments available on the NHS are nothing short of a joke, 8 weekly sessions of generic treatment. Nowhere near enough time to get enough cognitive behavioural therapy in order to make a difference. It's a subject very close to me, both my mother, father, sister and uncle have had depression, with one of those taking an overdose and very nearly dying. Thankfully they survived and got help, but education on all mental health issues is nothing short of criminal in this country. Reading this is spot on. 7 months ago when this depression came back of mine I went the doctors and told him I tried hang myself. He phoned a few numbers and I went the hope centre the next day. They "assessed" me then put me through to a counselling place. Guess how long the waiting list was?? 10 weeks! I've got depression off my mums side as none of my dads family has had it (to my knowledge). I just hope my son doesn't have it when he's older! |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 11, 2016 0:29:36 GMT
Depression can be as destructive as any physical condition. It's not a case of making a choice not to be depressed it's a biological response to a trauma or summated traumas that causes a literal drop in serotonin levels in the body, which in turn damages cognition in the brain. It should never be taboo, because it can happen to anyone, at anytime. The current treatments available on the NHS are nothing short of a joke, 8 weekly sessions of generic treatment. Nowhere near enough time to get enough cognitive behavioural therapy in order to make a difference. It's a subject very close to me, both my mother, father, sister and uncle have had depression, with one of those taking an overdose and very nearly dying. Thankfully they survived and got help, but education on all mental health issues is nothing short of criminal in this country. Reading this is spot on. 7 months ago when this depression came back of mine I went the doctors and told him I tried hang myself. He phoned a few numbers and I went the hope centre the next day. They "assessed" me then put me through to a counselling place. Guess how long the waiting list was?? 10 weeks! I've got depression off my mums side as none of my dads family has had it (to my knowledge). I just hope my son doesn't have it when he's older! Sounds very rough mate, hope you're holding up alright in spite of it all. It's been ignored for far too long and unfortunately by far too many important people which has lead to the situation we've got now. In terms of the doctors, the people I work with just (mostly) just have their hands tied with what they can do for patients which leads to scenarios as you describe. Although you do get the occasional idiot GP who unfortunately doesn't take cases seriously. Just try and encourage your son to talk to you about how he's doing pal, that would be my advice, I think a lot of us suffer from it because we were brought up in environments where to show feeling was often frowned upon, but in the modern day, kids should defo be educated about the risks and signs of depression. Hope it all goes well mate, best wishes to you and your family. |
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Post by borat on Jan 11, 2016 0:41:00 GMT
Cheers mate, my son is only 2 he's still a baba!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 11, 2016 17:14:43 GMT
Cheers mate, my son is only 2 he's still a baba! Fair enough mate might be a bit soon to talk about anything to him beyond Thomas the Tank engine at the moment  |
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Post by overthehills on Jan 11, 2016 19:48:13 GMT
Interesting thread. Well done to everyone opening up, it shows we are not alone. What I am interested in, is people who suffer with depression who have posted on this thread, how was your childhood/any trauma in your life?
Bit about me, suffer with depression for too many years, had various counselling courses on NHS, had CBT courses x3 private and EMDR course private. Various medicines. Nothing seems to help but it does help me understand how I feel. Suffered trauma as a child and suffered traumatic events at work including suicides.
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Post by heavysoul on Jan 11, 2016 20:30:11 GMT
I don't really want to go into own experiences but if anyone here is suffering ........ exercise! I don't know if it is medically advised but it's certainly helped me in the past. You can't beat a good gym session, especially after work. I've put weight on lately which gets me down, so I've signed up again. Also try Mindfulness its meditation I use it and it really helps me. It's about being kind to yourself give it a go. |
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Post by trentvale68 on Jan 11, 2016 20:40:01 GMT
Suffered with it on & off for years, been on different antidepressants most of the past 20 years. Relationships, bereavements -especially this year losing my mum. I think even when I'm happy that my mind conjures something up to worry about. Oh yes, OCD as well.
Really grates me the lip service the government and in particular IDS/DWP pay to it
they couldn't care less how many top themselves either
I certainly shan't miss this world when my time comes, that's for sure!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 21:45:20 GMT
I've tried everything mate like I say 17 years. Exercise doesn't really do it for me or long walks because if I'm alone all I'm doing is thinking. I'm getting fed up of battling it and I think to myself " is it worth battling this for the next 30/40/50 years" is life really that important?? My sisters ex boyfriend suffered from it and sadly he took his own life about 8 weeks ago. I would say I suffer from depression, exercise and long bike rides do it for me whilst listening to music maybe it makes me forget about everything and just enjoy myself...on my own. I got this really bad itching and red marks around my neck and body I still get it now thankfully they are pills I have, nothing major. I was thinking why me? Why am I getting this, I get it whenever I am warm the doctor said it is depression I didn't think it was necessary to talk to someone because if I do then I'll have to talk about everything that has happened it wouldn't be worth it. I really won't get into it but I feel the world is against me, the amount of times someone has beeped whilst I've been jogging or on my bike, amount of times someone has called me a dick or whatever, I've been bullied I've been heartbroken my mum passed away when I was 6, can barely remember her, my family, music and Stoke City FC are some of a few to keep me going. |
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Post by trentvale68 on Jan 11, 2016 22:07:38 GMT
I've tried everything mate like I say 17 years. Exercise doesn't really do it for me or long walks because if I'm alone all I'm doing is thinking. I'm getting fed up of battling it and I think to myself " is it worth battling this for the next 30/40/50 years" is life really that important?? My sisters ex boyfriend suffered from it and sadly he took his own life about 8 weeks ago. I would say I suffer from depression, exercise and long bike rides do it for me whilst listening to music maybe it makes me forget about everything and just enjoy myself...on my own. I got this really bad itching and red marks around my neck and body I still get it now thankfully they are pills I have, nothing major. I was thinking why me? Why am I getting this, I get it whenever I am warm the doctor said it is depression I didn't think it was necessary to talk to someone because if I do then I'll have to talk about everything that has happened it wouldn't be worth it. I really won't get into it but I feel the world is against me, the amount of times someone has beeped whilst I've been jogging or on my bike, amount of times someone has called me a dick or whatever, I've been bullied I've been heartbroken my mum passed away when I was 6, can barely remember her, my family, music and Stoke City FC are some of a few to keep me going. I can relate to a lot of that
It really pisses me off when some arseholes come past in a car and shout some inane comment
I have to stop myself from reacting as one of two things are likely to happen - they either get out of the car and kick the shit out of me ... or I end up putting the boot in ..and I know I wouldn't stop ..so that's me in fucking prison.
I just offer a silent prayer to the universe that the brakes fail...
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