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Post by darius on Dec 1, 2015 12:50:43 GMT
Have you seen it? Obviously not. What did you make of Dean's decision to not even have a word with Larsson after he took Bojan clean out on the touchline? You're right, and the blatant penalty when Lens was fouled but tried to stay on his feet. He made a few mistakes. It could and probably should have been three nil.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 13:10:18 GMT
As Shawcross was technically 'last man' should Mike Dean of brandished a straight red?
This would've allowed the opportunity to appeal.
It would be interesting to know what decision Dean would have made if Ryan hadn't been on a yellow.
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Post by interestedobserver on Dec 1, 2015 14:11:44 GMT
We didn't play well on Saturday and I'm not blaming the loss on the ref. We have also had some calls go our way this season. But I don't think it's off limits to talk about how the refs conduct themsevles.
My concern is that it is almost seems like Dean came out after half-time eager to send Ryan off.
Perhaps some will disagree. But I believe players conduct themselves differently when playing with a yellow. But as things turned out, Ryan was never really playing under a yellow because Dean (rightly or wrongly) decided at half time that he should have shown yellow on Ryan's first tackle along the touch line and then decided to make up for it by showing Ryan a second yellow whatever the circumstance.
Not quite fair to the player.
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Post by KevinWhimper on Dec 1, 2015 16:15:39 GMT
As Shawcross was technically 'last man' should Mike Dean of brandished a straight red? This would've allowed the opportunity to appeal. It would be interesting to know what decision Dean would have made if Ryan hadn't been on a yellow. A red card for being the 'Last Man' isn't a rule though. The rule is you get sent off for denying a goal scoring opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 17:23:40 GMT
I know the rule isn't 'last man' - but some refs could interpret the position of the foul as denying a goal scoring opportunity.
Yes the ball was moving away from goal, but I've seen red cards given in that position and further out.
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Post by homer32 on Dec 1, 2015 19:39:24 GMT
I can see both sides of the argument on the questions of yellows, Malcolm. But I think it is incredibly unfair if, for example, a player has to miss a cup final or a playoff game, when he has been dismissed for two yellows if the second yellow is clearly wrong, but another player in the same match does have the right to appeal a straight red. It is a bit like that chap in the USA who was convicted years ago for a serious crime for which someone else (unconnected to him) subsequently confessed and was convicted. You'd think they'd just release the guy who has been in prison for years. But it has taken years to secure his release (after a plea from the judge at the first trial) and he still faces a retrial. Sometimes we are too keen to stick to the rules even when it is clear that those rules are producing a serious injustice. Indeed. You've now provoked me into raising this with the FRA ( Football Regulatory Authority) at the FA . I will let you know the outcome (don't hold your breath ! ) Don't get me started on the American justice system Thank you Malcolm for taking up my issue with the FA and I will look forward to their response. For any player to end up being suspended can be critical and very expensive for the club and we need to know the decisions that caused it were correct. It will create more work for the FA but so be it.
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