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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 28, 2015 17:52:58 GMT
I called Dean a Cunt on another thread, I was wrong to do so. A cunt is useful.
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Nov 28, 2015 17:53:48 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 28, 2015 17:53:48 GMT
Shawcross won thE BALL. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Diabolical decision. It's not plain and simple though is it? I have just seen the incident for the first time and I can understand why the ref thought it was a bookable offence. I can understand when an earlier poster said the ref needed to be 100% certain but he has two options....no foul and play on or foul and book Shawcross. He can't really give a foul and not book Shawcross given that there was full contact across Watmores knee. The ref may have got it wrong but from all the chatter on here during the game I was expecting the incident to be much more clear cut than the clip I have just seen on the TV. Andy Townsend felt it was clumsy and the correct decision. I think Townsend is fuckin useless as a commentator but it shows that some people see it completely different to many Stoke fans. Not when it is shown from several different angles. It is quite clear when you see it from the front, however from his view (30 yards back) it couldnt be clear. You are right that Townsend is useless. We didn't deserve to win but would have limped home with a draw except for the incorrect decisions by Dean. That said he is an absolutely crap ref for both sides and believes it is all about him.
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Post by right on Nov 28, 2015 17:57:10 GMT
You could argue that Shawcross should have gotten a yellow for his first challenge in the 1st half. But then you could argue that he would not have made the lounging tackle that got him the yellow card if he had already been on the yellow. That's why refs doing "make up calls" is a complete farce. Completely ruined the game.
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Post by liamo on Nov 28, 2015 18:02:50 GMT
You could argue that Shawcross should have gotten a yellow for his first challenge in the 1st half. But then you could argue that he would not have made the lounging tackle that got him the yellow card if he had already been on the yellow. That's why refs doing "make up calls" is a complete farce. Completely ruined the game. We can also argue that Pantillimon handled outside the box and that several yellows should have been handed out for diving, we rely on the ref to get things right, Ryan Shawcross on a yellow made a very good challenge on Watmore and was sent off for it, basically, the jasper carrott looking nobhead made too many mistakes and those mistakes had a massive impact on the result of the game
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Nov 28, 2015 18:44:01 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Nov 28, 2015 18:44:01 GMT
No-one questioning the decision on my channel. Shawx was clumsy according to Townsend. I'm sure if it was any of the top 6 teams they would still be analyzing it now Townsend is a total bell end I'm sure hates us, we were spared his inane ramblings today thankfully, channel we watched came to the correct conclusion after analysis from several angles.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 28, 2015 18:45:09 GMT
The moron gave Sland at least two more points than they deserved!
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Nov 28, 2015 19:46:36 GMT
No-one questioning the decision on my channel. Shawx was clumsy according to Townsend. I'm sure if it was any of the top 6 teams they would still be analyzing it now Townsend is a total bell end I'm sure hates us, we were spared his inane ramblings today thankfully, channel we watched came to the correct conclusion after analysis from several angles. Michael Owen just been asked whether they were yellows after Hughes interview & he said yes. Shawx got none of the ball according to him. He's obviously seen it from an angle no fucker else has
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Nov 28, 2015 19:49:53 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 28, 2015 19:49:53 GMT
Only ourselves to blame he should not have been on the pitch by the sending off withdrawn for tactical reasons at half time .
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 28, 2015 19:51:00 GMT
It's always been about Mike Dean. He's an arrogant bastard of a referee.
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Nov 28, 2015 19:53:57 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 28, 2015 19:53:57 GMT
But that's not new news and we need to manage the game and the team accordingly .
We chose to deliberately ignore the black ice at half time and crashed off as a result totally avoidable
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Post by Northy on Nov 28, 2015 20:00:05 GMT
Only ourselves to blame he should not have been on the pitch by the sending off withdrawn for tactical reasons at half time . Oh shut up you daft fooker, do you substitute players just because they get a yellow? No you don't, unless its woodgate at right back having a mare, you would end up playing with 9 at times and some hobbling with injuries.
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Post by Northy on Nov 28, 2015 20:01:41 GMT
We can also argue that Larsson could have had 2 yellows, his petulant outburst and then a cynical shove on shaq or Bojan nor long after Charlie's booking for a cynical trip.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 28, 2015 20:05:23 GMT
Dean is a real p...! End of discussion!
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Nov 28, 2015 20:07:28 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 28, 2015 20:07:28 GMT
Northwich
Tell me then how on 45 mins i said it was an inevitable red on 45 mins and it happened on 47
It wasn't just a yellow it was the circumstances ref , opposition , ground , media , chance for allardyce to get at dean that mad it inevitable I'm afraid your the daft one On this occasion as I saw it , called it in advance and it happened totally avoidable .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 20:12:12 GMT
Shawcross won thE BALL. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Diabolical decision. It's not plain and simple though is it? I have just seen the incident for the first time and I can understand why the ref thought it was a bookable offence. I can understand when an earlier poster said the ref needed to be 100% certain but he has two options....no foul and play on or foul and book Shawcross. He can't really give a foul and not book Shawcross given that there was full contact across Watmores knee. The ref may have got it wrong but from all the chatter on here during the game I was expecting the incident to be much more clear cut than the clip I have just seen on the TV. Andy Townsend felt it was clumsy and the correct decision. I think Townsend is fuckin useless as a commentator but it shows that some people see it completely different to many Stoke fans. Yes it is clear and simple. As someone who as played the game it's very simple. Watch the movement of the ball when Ryan slides in. The ball goes in the direction Ryan tackles! Now that doesn't take a genius to realise that he's won the ball. It should have been a corner to Sunderland and that's it
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Post by liamo on Nov 28, 2015 20:12:36 GMT
Northwich Tell me then how on 45 mins i said it was an inevitable red on 45 mins and it happened on 47 It wasn't just a yellow it was the circumstances ref , opposition , ground , media , chance for allardyce to get at dean that mad it inevitable I'm afraid your the daft one On this occasion as I saw it , called it in advance and it happened totally avoidable . Of course everyone thought it might happen, but only if Shawcross did something stupid, which he didn't, he made a decent challenge and was sent off for it, the ref ruined the match and the fault lies on him
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Nov 28, 2015 20:22:25 GMT
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Post by Onneravineet on Nov 28, 2015 20:22:25 GMT
He is an absolutely useless official who is incompetent at his job.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 28, 2015 20:37:55 GMT
he is an absolute joke he deserves to be stoned in the center of hanley Most people up Hanley are stoned. Dean, on the other hand, deserves to be horsewhipped and dragged through the streets then nailed to a tree and....
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Post by potterglen on Nov 28, 2015 20:46:57 GMT
Its a disgrace of a decision.. With Ryan already on a yellow he had to be 100% sure of that decision... absolute farce... When will our team recognise they're being 'played'? It was obvious that Fletchers job was to get Shawcross and/or Wolly booked and eventually sent off, unfortunately we don't have a player in the squad with an ounce of nouse and able to see the game plan.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 28, 2015 20:52:20 GMT
Its a disgrace of a decision.. With Ryan already on a yellow he had to be 100% sure of that decision... absolute farce... When will our team recognise they're being 'played'? It was obvious that Fletchers job was to get Shawcross and/or Wolly booked and eventually sent off, unfortunately we don't have a player in the squad with an ounce of nouse and able to see the game plan. A little bit unfair given our CBs have recently been very successful against the arch "player" himself;Mr Costa of Chelsea.
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Post by potterglen on Nov 28, 2015 21:02:03 GMT
When will our team recognise they're being 'played'? It was obvious that Fletchers job was to get Shawcross and/or Wolly booked and eventually sent off, unfortunately we don't have a player in the squad with an ounce of nouse and able to see the game plan. A little bit unfair given our CBs have recently been very successful against the arch "player" himself;Mr Costa of Chelsea. I'm referring to today's game, they were well and truly taken for fools today and you only have to watch the diving to see that - it worked beautifully.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 28, 2015 21:12:17 GMT
You could argue that Shawcross should have gotten a yellow for his first challenge in the 1st half. But then you could argue that he would not have made the lounging tackle that got him the yellow card if he had already been on the yellow. That's why refs doing "make up calls" is a complete farce. Completely ruined the game. We can also argue that Pantillimon handled outside the box and that several yellows should have been handed out for diving, we rely on the ref to get things right, Ryan Shawcross on a yellow made a very good challenge on Watmore and was sent off for it, basically, the jasper carrott looking nobhead made too many mistakes and those mistakes had a massive impact on the result of the game I'm not saying I agree but I'm sure a keeper was sent off for handling outside the box in a recent game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 21:19:33 GMT
So basically. Big Sam will go to any ends to get the result he wants. Does the word cheat apply in this case. IMHO, yes. It doesn't help that I do not like the c--- either?
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Nov 28, 2015 21:31:52 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 28, 2015 21:31:52 GMT
Liamo
Sorry wrong Again he was going for any tackle and if was plain for all to see hence my comments at half time
It's about knowing the personalities and the circumstances and the environment Ryan was caught in the perfect storm
Clattenberg at home Martinez the opposing manger completely different outcome but it was dean , Sunderland away allardyce and Either side of their maximum opportunity to influence inevitable .
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 28, 2015 21:39:57 GMT
Liamo Sorry wrong Again he was going for any tackle and if was plain for all to see hence my comments at half time It's about knowing the personalities and the circumstances and the environment Ryan was caught in the perfect storm Clattenberg at home Martinez the opposing manger completely different outcome but it was dean , Sunderland away allardyce and Either side of their maximum opportunity to influence inevitable . I can see where your coming from but all said it was a rotten decision and you just cant take players off because they've been booked unless they've completely lost it. Ryan hadn't. What would have happened if we'd taken him off and our new defensive partnership had shipped a couple of silly goals MH would have looked really silly.
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Nov 28, 2015 21:48:51 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 28, 2015 21:48:51 GMT
Cobham
I get that but it was the perfect storm exceptional circumstances and if i could sense it and predict it with unerring accuracy from 5000 miles away its hugely diappointng management didn't react to it far too passive in game management
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 28, 2015 22:11:56 GMT
Cobham I get that but it was the perfect storm exceptional circumstances and if i could sense it and predict it with unerring accuracy from 5000 miles away its hugely diappointng management didn't react to it far too passive in game management Hindsight is a great thing but he is our best defender and if him being subbed off backfired and we'd lost MH would have got a lot of stick. So I think it's a case of damned if he did damned if he don't. For me I'd question more his selection of Walters ahead of Diouf which made no sense. I think Mame would have caused there defence real problems if he had started. The longer he doesn't play the more time he'll need to get to the pace of things.
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Nov 28, 2015 22:21:24 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 28, 2015 22:21:24 GMT
Cobham
Beg to differ on Ryan but agree on Diof totally just think there're might be something we can't see as its all a bit odd .
Hopefully he will get 90 mins Tuesday and a few others too affelay Ireland , Joselu . Crouch , van Ginkel , sidwell , Bardsley , muniesa Wilson all need game time with the 5 games around the corner
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 28, 2015 23:35:25 GMT
Dean is just one of those cunts. Its all about him. I want to smash his fucking smug face in.
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Nov 28, 2015 23:44:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 23:44:46 GMT
Dean is just one of those cunts. Its all about him. I want to smash his fucking smug face in. This. Wasn't too fussed about the loss until I saw the highlights/decisions. I'm now speechless with quiet rage. How can one cubt buy in so easily to it? Makes my blood boil.
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