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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 10:43:01 GMT
Is there any indication that the fan base (home and/or overseas) is growing? In terms of home support it seems pretty static with the argument that we shouldn't expand as we have some empty seats each game. In terms of overseas support I have no idea. Perhaps shirt sales could give an indication but I don't know where to find that kind of info. It would be interesting if someone is able to provide some kind of growth trend analysis for the club over the past 5-8 years. For any area. I'm interested to see if we've actually grown in any way aside from financially. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 8, 2015 10:51:22 GMT
Haven't virtually all home games (in the home areas) so far this season been sell outs - apart from the odd single seats dotted around the Brit? That isn't a huge increase in numbers but it is an increase and, if it continues, we are set to have our highest home crowd figures since promotion. That being the case it is difficult to argue against expanding one corner next summer unless there is a significant tail off in sales.
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 10:55:15 GMT
Haven't virtually all home games (in the home areas) so far this season been sell outs - apart from the odd single seats dotted around the Brit? That isn't a huge increase in numbers but it is an increase and, if it continues, we are set to have our highest home crowd figures since promotion. That being the case it is difficult to argue against expanding one corner next summer unless there is a significant tail off in sales. I know mate, but a few hundred or so extra ticket sales over an 8 year period is peanuts and could be down to just playing style since MH took over. I guess that shirt sales here and overseas (ordered online) would give a decent indication, if that info was available anywhere?
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Post by tijuanabrass on Oct 8, 2015 10:58:33 GMT
If only there was some way, some darned way we could get more people into that stadium...
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 11:00:12 GMT
If only there was some way, some darned way we could get more people into that stadium... We could if it wasn't for those pesky kids!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 8, 2015 11:02:17 GMT
Haven't virtually all home games (in the home areas) so far this season been sell outs - apart from the odd single seats dotted around the Brit? That isn't a huge increase in numbers but it is an increase and, if it continues, we are set to have our highest home crowd figures since promotion. That being the case it is difficult to argue against expanding one corner next summer unless there is a significant tail off in sales. I know mate, but a few hundred or so extra ticket sales over an 8 year period is peanuts and could be down to just playing style since MH took over. I guess that shirt sales here and overseas (ordered online) would give a decent indication, if that info was available anywhere? But how do you grow the fan base in an already virtually full stadium - other than by expanding the stadium - in our case by building the scoreboard corner which already has the footings in place and for which planning permission is still in place (although only for 2 more years, I think)? I'm sure we'll need to continue to give away or subsidise some of the seats in the new corner at cut price for a year or so - but that is how you expand your fan base in our position - by offers to encourage new fans and for existing fans to bring friends. Hopefully, a percentage of those new fans will become regulars. That is the only way to do it if a club is not in the happy position of either having a waiting list for season tickets or is in a part of the country where tourists/visitors will boost the numbers.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 8, 2015 11:02:32 GMT
like the club give a shit
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 11:05:28 GMT
I know mate, but a few hundred or so extra ticket sales over an 8 year period is peanuts and could be down to just playing style since MH took over. I guess that shirt sales here and overseas (ordered online) would give a decent indication, if that info was available anywhere? But how do you grow the fan base in an already virtually full stadium - other than by expanding the stadium - in our case by building the scoreboard corner which already has the footings in place and for which planning permission is still in place (although only for 2 more years, I think)? I'm sure we'll need to continue to give away or subsidise some of the seats in the new corner at cut price for a year or so - but that is how you expand your fan base in our position - by offers to encourage new fans and for existing fans to bring friends. Hopefully, a percentage of those new fans will become regulars. That is the only way to do it if a club is not in the happy position of either having a waiting list for season tickets or is in a part of the country where tourists/visitors will boost the numbers. Increasing your fan base and increasing attendances are not in complete correlation are they. New fans might not be season ticket holders or just opt to go to random games. Same for overseas fans? I would expect that these have grown in number, but by how much and from what to what I have no idea.
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 11:06:44 GMT
like the club give a shit I'd appreciate you not souring my thread with your foul language. Thank you very much.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 8, 2015 11:08:10 GMT
Haven't virtually all home games (in the home areas) so far this season been sell outs - apart from the odd single seats dotted around the Brit? That isn't a huge increase in numbers but it is an increase and, if it continues, we are set to have our highest home crowd figures since promotion. That being the case it is difficult to argue against expanding one corner next summer unless there is a significant tail off in sales. I know mate, but a few hundred or so extra ticket sales over an 8 year period is peanuts and could be down to just playing style since MH took over. I guess that shirt sales here and overseas (ordered online) would give a decent indication, if that info was available anywhere? I don't think shirt sales are much of a guide to be honest. In a poor area like SOT shirt sales may be depressed because of economic conditions or because a particular shirt might not appeal to the mass market - or even because of supply problems!!! And, from the club's point of view the profit on a single shirt sale might be £20 whereas the profit on a single season ticket is £100s. Build the corner and sell more tickets and the shirt sales will increase gradually in years to come - but it doesn't happen the opposite way round.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 8, 2015 11:09:16 GMT
If they don't fill in the corners in the next close season it will never ever happen.
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 11:13:41 GMT
I know mate, but a few hundred or so extra ticket sales over an 8 year period is peanuts and could be down to just playing style since MH took over. I guess that shirt sales here and overseas (ordered online) would give a decent indication, if that info was available anywhere? I don't think shirt sales are much of a guide to be honest. In a poor area like SOT shirt sales may be depressed because of economic conditions or because a particular shirt might not appeal to the mass market - or even because of supply problems!!! And, from the club's point of view the profit on a single shirt sale might be £20 whereas the profit on a single season ticket is £100s. Build the corner and sell more tickets and the shirt sales will increase gradually in years to come - but it doesn't happen the opposite way round. I'm talking shirt sales in volume, not revenue. I expect that anyone who usually buys one a season will continue to do so. It's headings like this that bug me 'Xherdan Shaqiri Signing Sees Huge Spike In Replica Stoke City Shirt Sales'. Then you read the article and there are no numbers. What I'd really like to know is if the fan base abroad is growing but I can't find anything on that.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Oct 8, 2015 11:15:10 GMT
I hope so. I remember going on a record shop visit up the area over 10 years ago and I was dismayed to not actually recall seeing a stoke shirt while I was out and about. A few weeks ago I came up to do the same thing and there just seemed to be more evidence that there was actually a local football team. Shirts, stuff in shop windows etc. There just seems to be more pride in the club again from the wider local community. Everyone should welcome new supporters from far and wide not chuck comments around berating the fact they didn't go to Grimsby away in the dark old days. The future is so bright it's incredible. But the club itself needs to grow with the times, embrace our history and help move the new era forward. That requires big time thinking from those who run it.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 8, 2015 11:17:15 GMT
I don't think shirt sales are much of a guide to be honest. In a poor area like SOT shirt sales may be depressed because of economic conditions or because a particular shirt might not appeal to the mass market - or even because of supply problems!!! And, from the club's point of view the profit on a single shirt sale might be £20 whereas the profit on a single season ticket is £100s. Build the corner and sell more tickets and the shirt sales will increase gradually in years to come - but it doesn't happen the opposite way round. I'm talking shirt sales in volume, not revenue. I expect that anyone who usually buys one a season will continue to do so. It's headings like this that bug me 'Xherdan Shaqiri Signing Sees Huge Spike In Replica Stoke City Shirt Sales'. Then you read the article and there are no numbers. What I'd really like to know is if the fan base abroad is growing but I can't find anything on that. Either ask the club (tony.scholes@stokecityfc.com) or ask the Supporters Council to ask the club at their next meeting.
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 11:23:27 GMT
I'm talking shirt sales in volume, not revenue. I expect that anyone who usually buys one a season will continue to do so. It's headings like this that bug me 'Xherdan Shaqiri Signing Sees Huge Spike In Replica Stoke City Shirt Sales'. Then you read the article and there are no numbers. What I'd really like to know is if the fan base abroad is growing but I can't find anything on that. Either ask the club (tony.scholes@stokecityfc.com) or ask the Supporters Council to ask the club at their next meeting. I emailed him. He'd better fucking reply pronto.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 8, 2015 11:31:19 GMT
The really gay way to measure fan base is to compare twitter/facebook followers, but might help in this case Foster: folos.im/Stoke are 86 most followed twitter team in the world - just ahead of Orlando Pirates in South Africa. We have more than West Brom too woohoo 363,390 followers and counting (and I dont even use Twatter so that makes it 363,391)
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 11:36:02 GMT
The really gay way to measure fan base is to compare twitter/facebook followers, but might help in this case Foster: folos.im/Stoke are 86 most followed twitter team in the world - just ahead of Orlando Pirates in South Africa. We have more than West Brom too woohoo 363,390 followers and counting (and I dont even use Twatter so that makes it 363,391) IS there a FB way? I think 'likes' on FB would give a slightly more accurate (but still inaccurate) indication than twitter, which has loads of random people following all sorts of teams and people.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 8, 2015 11:42:29 GMT
Dont see a Facebook list anywhere
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 11:43:07 GMT
Stoke City Football Club Fans by Country
Local Fans Percentage Of Fan Base United Kingdom 71 882 12.2 % Thailand 33 095 5.6 % Indonesia 28 675 4.9 % Egypt 26 170 4.4 % Brazil 25 809 4.4 % Vietnam 23 087 3.9 % Algeria 21 116 3.6 % India 20 283 3.4 % Morocco 16 136 2.7 % Malaysia 14 400 2.4 % United States 11 380 1.9 % Mexico 11 175 1.9 % Turkey 10 987 1.9 % Italy 10 067 1.7 % Tunisia 8 492 1.4 % Bangladesh 8 423 1.4 % Nigeria 8 133 1.4 % Argentina 7 545 1.3 % Pakistan 7 373 1.3 % Poland 7 322 1.2 % Myanmar 7 109 1.2 % France 6 888 1.2 % Ghana 6 842 1.2 % Iraq 6 786 1.2 % Germany 6 096 1.0 % Colombia 5 847 1.0 % Serbia 5 383 0.9 % Cambodia 5 131 0.9 % Portugal 4 990 0.8 % Senegal 4 794 0.8 % Australia 4 696 0.8 % Bosnia and Herzegovina 4 667 0.8 % Tanzania 4 637 0.8 % Austria 4 516 0.8 % Romania 4 375 0.7 % Nepal 4 361 0.7 % Greece 4 326 0.7 % Peru 4 219 0.7 % Spain 4 209 0.7 % Uganda 3 802 0.6 % Kenya 3 694 0.6 % Ireland 3 444 0.6 % Albania 3 259 0.6 % South Africa 3 009 0.5 % Ethiopia 2 977 0.5 % Other and not yet targeted Countries 97 358 16.5 %
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 11:46:18 GMT
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 11:53:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 12:27:16 GMT
answered your own OP there mate see Foster, if you'd just held off for another 30 mins worth of googling time you wouldn't have needed this thread you muppet
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Post by elystokie on Oct 8, 2015 12:28:19 GMT
Stoke City Football Club Fans by Country Local Fans Percentage Of Fan Base United Kingdom 71 882 12.2 % Thailand 33 095 5.6 % Indonesia 28 675 4.9 % Egypt 26 170 4.4 % Brazil 25 809 4.4 % Vietnam 23 087 3.9 % Algeria 21 116 3.6 % India 20 283 3.4 % Morocco 16 136 2.7 % Malaysia 14 400 2.4 % United States 11 380 1.9 % Mexico 11 175 1.9 % Turkey 10 987 1.9 % Italy 10 067 1.7 % Tunisia 8 492 1.4 % Bangladesh 8 423 1.4 % Nigeria 8 133 1.4 % Argentina 7 545 1.3 % Pakistan 7 373 1.3 % Poland 7 322 1.2 % Myanmar 7 109 1.2 % France 6 888 1.2 % Ghana 6 842 1.2 % Iraq 6 786 1.2 % Germany 6 096 1.0 % Colombia 5 847 1.0 % Serbia 5 383 0.9 % Cambodia 5 131 0.9 % Portugal 4 990 0.8 % Senegal 4 794 0.8 % Australia 4 696 0.8 % Bosnia and Herzegovina 4 667 0.8 % Tanzania 4 637 0.8 % Austria 4 516 0.8 % Romania 4 375 0.7 % Nepal 4 361 0.7 % Greece 4 326 0.7 % Peru 4 219 0.7 % Spain 4 209 0.7 % Uganda 3 802 0.6 % Kenya 3 694 0.6 % Ireland 3 444 0.6 % Albania 3 259 0.6 % South Africa 3 009 0.5 % Ethiopia 2 977 0.5 % Other and not yet targeted Countries 97 358 16.5 % Seems some (more) missionary work is needed in a few areas! I'll take Kenya (love it and not been for ages :) ), South Africa (never been) and Nepal (again never been but my lad says it's great) :D
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 8, 2015 12:44:44 GMT
Those empty seats you see are probably season ticket holders who didn't make it for whatever reason
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 8, 2015 13:14:15 GMT
Those empty seats you see are probably season ticket holders who didn't make it for whatever reason That's often the case. Is there a system for people to let the T/O know in advance if they aren't going and the seats be made available for resale? This season I've regularly seen blocks of 2 and 3 seats together left vacant. They would go like hot cakes.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Oct 8, 2015 13:21:01 GMT
I'm just curious how the fuck we got 7,109 fans in Myanmar?! Goooarn Myanmar!
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Oct 8, 2015 13:22:47 GMT
I'm just curious how the fuck we got 7,109 fans in Myanmar?! Goooarn Myanmar! Bugger me, its got a population of over 50m.
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Post by Gods on Oct 8, 2015 13:23:01 GMT
Rather than pick expensively at the edges we should really just have done with it and build a new ground fit for the new era. The Britannia will be 20 years old the year after next and I would imagine in todays throwaway world we must have already achieved our target Return On Investment on a structure that cost us less than Joselou if anyone can still remember him
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Post by foster on Oct 8, 2015 13:24:47 GMT
answered your own OP there mate see Foster, if you'd just held off for another 30 mins worth of googling time you wouldn't have needed this thread you muppet Yeah, in the last 6 months we've seen an increase in SCFC page likes of more than 20%. Local UK based fans only represent 12-13% of the those that like the page too. To be fair, our likes total is pretty pathetic. Villa have over 2m. Though over the past 6 months we have added 15k more than them.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 8, 2015 13:24:53 GMT
If only there was some way, some darned way we could get more people into that stadium... There is and Stoke do it, free tickets.
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