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Post by Northy on Oct 7, 2015 21:07:37 GMT
Yep, they switched the wingers sides and have gone 4.3.3 2nd half, manager must have read my post. The locals are mumbling about getting rid of Sheringham and getting Westley back Sorry mate. Didn't know anything about the 'set up' or changes. Just saw the score update and couldn't resist. Gotta hand it to Cureton though.....he's STILL doing it. I know soon as he scored I thought id get a bit of banter, i spent 10 minutes at half time trying to find out how to start a new thread on this proboards app, couldnt find it so posted on here
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 21:08:15 GMT
Nothing shout home about. I'd be surprised if Shenton becomes a Stoke regular. Telford and Mossely if any. Best player on the pitch was Vale's left back, very impressive. That's very disheartening to hear. How often have you seen him play?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2015 21:09:07 GMT
Nothing shout home about. I'd be surprised if Shenton becomes a Stoke regular. Telford and Mossely if any. Best player on the pitch was Vale's left back, very impressive. That's very disheartening to hear. How often have you seen him play? You had to search hard to find him on the pitch tonight tbh.
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Post by stokie25 on Oct 7, 2015 21:12:46 GMT
Maybe you should pop that detail on the OVF site that you seem to frequent.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 7, 2015 21:13:19 GMT
I thought Verlinden had their left back on toast tbh but his final ball was just fucking dreadful. Moha had to be nursed through the game with constant encouragement, he just looks like he needs a hug and a cuddle. Molina looked tidy in possession. Watkins-Clark when he came on was ace. And when it became U-21 vs U-21 we were much the better team (as it should be). Missed this one Bayern. How did Skapetis look? Oh and was Shenton out wide again? I'm not familiar with Watkins-Clark.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2015 21:16:48 GMT
I thought Verlinden had their left back on toast tbh but his final ball was just fucking dreadful. Moha had to be nursed through the game with constant encouragement, he just looks like he needs a hug and a cuddle. Molina looked tidy in possession. Watkins-Clark when he came on was ace. And when it became U-21 vs U-21 we were much the better team (as it should be). Missed this one Bayern. How did Skapetis look? Oh and was Shenton out wide again? I'm not familiar with Watkins-Clark. He looked lively. When him and Telford came on we had a lot more up front and it coincided with them taking O'Connor and Birchall off so we started to get on top. Senton played in the middle, he just didn't do very much at all. Him and Moha were definitely the right two to take off. We got him from Villa, he came on like a man possessed tbh. He attacked the ball like none of the other young centre backs on display were. And if he didn't get the ball, he rugby tackled the man-I like that.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 7, 2015 21:21:33 GMT
Missed this one Bayern. How did Skapetis look? Oh and was Shenton out wide again? I'm not familiar with Watkins-Clark. He looked lively. When him and Telford came on we had a lot more up front and it coincided with them taking O'Connor and Birchall off so we started to get on top. Senton played in the middle, he just didn't do very much at all. Him and Moha were definitely the right two to take off. We got him from Villa, he came on like a man possessed tbh. He attacked the ball like none of the other young centre backs on display were. And if he didn't get the ball, he rugby tackled the man-I like that. Excellent. Thanks mate. Let's hope Skapetis stays fit. Him and Telford sound good!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2015 21:25:41 GMT
He looked lively. When him and Telford came on we had a lot more up front and it coincided with them taking O'Connor and Birchall off so we started to get on top. Senton played in the middle, he just didn't do very much at all. Him and Moha were definitely the right two to take off. We got him from Villa, he came on like a man possessed tbh. He attacked the ball like none of the other young centre backs on display were. And if he didn't get the ball, he rugby tackled the man-I like that. Excellent. Thanks mate. Let's hope Skapetis stays fit. Him and Telford sound good! Definitely, he was out for a good 9/10 months so hopefully he can stay fit and start scoring again. It was a bloody interesting game though to watch, if both sides were clinical and could have pounced on the errors being made it could have been 5-5. The Vale goal was a great example of inexperience. Verlinden jumped in and his body shape was just all wrong which allowed the left back free reign down the wing and from that they scored. But what I liked is that Verlinden went absolutely apeshit with himself. He knew. I thought he showed a maturity out there well beyond his years. Moha couldn't have been the more opposite. No idea if he isn't settling well or anything but he just didn't look a happy bunny.
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 7, 2015 21:34:37 GMT
Complaining about EVERYTHING. Including a slow announcement of a sub. And they got the first wrong saying Moseley came on (I whinged about that too). So it was you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 21:34:21 GMT
That's very disheartening to hear. How often have you seen him play? You had to search hard to find him on the pitch tonight tbh. Ye I understand he wasn't great tonight but it's one game. I want to know how many times humphrey has seen him. Obviously if he's seen him play 20 times then it's fair for him to make a big judgement. If tonight was the first time he's seen him playing for the u21s then he shouldn't be saying that.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 7, 2015 21:37:04 GMT
Excellent. Thanks mate. Let's hope Skapetis stays fit. Him and Telford sound good! Definitely, he was out for a good 9/10 months so hopefully he can stay fit and start scoring again. It was a bloody interesting game though to watch, if both sides were clinical and could have pounced on the errors being made it could have been 5-5. The Vale goal was a great example of inexperience. Verlinden jumped in and his body shape was just all wrong which allowed the left back free reign down the wing and from that they scored. But what I liked is that Verlinden went absolutely apeshit with himself. He knew. I thought he showed a maturity out there well beyond his years. Moha couldn't have been the more opposite. No idea if he isn't settling well or anything but he just didn't look a happy bunny. Great stuff. At their age they will make errors like Verlinden. You learn much from how they react. Moha may just need longer to settle I suppose. New country, new culture and approach to the game. Easier for some than others at that age. I like the look of Gyollai. He might have a bit to come. I prefer him to Kurasik (and Eve if I'm honest).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2015 21:38:02 GMT
You had to search hard to find him on the pitch tonight tbh. Ye I understand he wasn't great tonight but it's one game. I want to know how many times humphrey has seen him. Obviously if he's seen him play 20 times then it's fair for him to make a big judgement. If tonight was the first time he's seen him playing for the u21s then he shouldn't be saying that. Very true. The one I'm worried about is Moha. Hodges in the first half shouted to Shenton to encourage him and then in the second half Banks was encouraging him all the way through, putting his arm around him and just willing him through. It didn't work. Hopefully he was just having a shit day!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2015 21:42:21 GMT
Definitely, he was out for a good 9/10 months so hopefully he can stay fit and start scoring again. It was a bloody interesting game though to watch, if both sides were clinical and could have pounced on the errors being made it could have been 5-5. The Vale goal was a great example of inexperience. Verlinden jumped in and his body shape was just all wrong which allowed the left back free reign down the wing and from that they scored. But what I liked is that Verlinden went absolutely apeshit with himself. He knew. I thought he showed a maturity out there well beyond his years. Moha couldn't have been the more opposite. No idea if he isn't settling well or anything but he just didn't look a happy bunny. Great stuff. At their age they will make errors like Verlinden. You learn much from how they react. Moha may just need longer to settle I suppose. New country, new culture and approach to the game. Easier for some than others at that age. I like the look of Gyollai. He might have a bit to come. I prefer him to Kurasik (and Eve if I'm honest). I think that is entirely it. Especially now the night's are drawing in and it was absolutely fucking freezing up there tonight. It's a massive culture change and if he's feeling a bit down (just me guessing) then it will translate on the pitch. Got to be honest I agree re Gyollai but he was awful tonight! Got caught out twice rushing off his line and was nowhere near the ball which lead to some excellent defending from us and some shite finishing from them.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 7, 2015 21:47:10 GMT
Great stuff. At their age they will make errors like Verlinden. You learn much from how they react. Moha may just need longer to settle I suppose. New country, new culture and approach to the game. Easier for some than others at that age. I like the look of Gyollai. He might have a bit to come. I prefer him to Kurasik (and Eve if I'm honest). I think that is entirely it. Especially now the night's are drawing in and it was absolutely fucking freezing up there tonight. It's a massive culture change and if he's feeling a bit down (just me guessing) then it will translate on the pitch. Got to be honest I agree re Gyollai but he was awful tonight! Got caught out twice rushing off his line and was nowhere near the ball which lead to some excellent defending from us and some shite finishing from them. It is brass out tonight. Coldest so far. Ta for the run down! Night!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 21:47:22 GMT
Nothing shout home about. I'd be surprised if Shenton becomes a Stoke regular. Telford and Mossely if any. Best player on the pitch was Vale's left back, very impressive. That's very disheartening to hear. How often have you seen him play? 4/5 times. You would think he would show a bit of something in tonight's fixture but I honestly couldn't tell you anything about his game tonight. The no.10 Waddington had a bit more about him in the middle but still, miles off it. I would be pleasantly be surprised if anyone from tonight played, apart from the two subs who came on. Then again, I don't like to judge people off one game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2015 21:48:28 GMT
That's very disheartening to hear. How often have you seen him play? 4/5 times. You would think he would show a bit of something in tonight's fixture but I honestly couldn't tell you anything about his game tonight. The no.10 Waddington had a bit more about him in the middle but still, miles off it. I would be pleasantly be surprised if anyone from tonight played, apart from the two subs who came on. Then again, I don't like to judge people off one game. And don't judge Moseley, cos he didner play!
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Post by andylgr on Oct 7, 2015 21:57:59 GMT
I was disappointed with how Stoke played tonight, I expected to see a style of play similar to our 1st team, but I thought the midfielders didn't link up well at all, with Shenton being anonymous for most of it and not picking up good positions behind the strikers, whilst the lad from Madrid kept dropping deep to pick up the ball I didn't think he was very creative. Our main plot seemed to be long diagonal balls for the wingers. Our centre forward was out of the game completely for most of it. The young right winger looked very tricky, but needs to improve on his final delivery, I'm sure that will come with time. He was at fault for the goal as he should have showed the left back inside instead of down the line. Moha didn't nothing except 1 run and just didn't seem up for it. I thought stoke improved once Ryan went off and the lad who came on centre half was really up for it and I was impressed by him. The subs in the second half definitely added more attacking flair and the equaliser was well deserved and came from the Vale centre half dwelling on the ball.
As for Vale they looked the better team IMO first half, but their subs took the wind out of their sales whilst Stokes gave us the initiative. And whilst the left back was very quick going forward he wasn't as good defending. Maybe the fact our right winger looked better than Moha says a lot for how their full backs defended.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2015 22:03:07 GMT
I was disappointed with how Stoke played tonight, I expected to see a style of play similar to our 1st team, but I thought the midfielders didn't link up well at all, with Shenton being anonymous for most of it and not picking up good positions behind the strikers, whilst the lad from Madrid kept dropping deep to pick up the ball I didn't think he was very creative. Our main plot seemed to be long diagonal balls for the wingers. Our centre forward was out of the game completely for most of it. The young right winger looked very tricky, but needs to improve on his final delivery, I'm sure that will come with time. He was at fault for the goal as he should have showed the left back inside instead of down the line. Moha didn't nothing except 1 run and just didn't seem up for it. I thought stoke improved once Ryan went off and the lad who came on centre half was really up for it and I was impressed by him. The subs in the second half definitely added more attacking flair and the equaliser was well deserved and came from the Vale centre half dwelling on the ball. As for Vale they looked the better team IMO first half, but their subs took the wind out of their sales whilst Stokes gave us the initiative. And whilst the left back was very quick going forward he wasn't as good defending. Maybe the fact our right winger looked better than Moha says a lot for how their full backs defended. He was the defensive midfielder, it's not his job to be creative?? That needed to come from Waddington and Shenton and it never did but our main tactic was diagonals behind their full backs and it worked until the final deliver (as you say). Agree with every word of that last paragraph though! Their right back really impressed me actually.
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Post by andylgr on Oct 7, 2015 22:08:30 GMT
bayernoatcake When he's dropping deep to collect the ball off the centre halves I expected more to happen from him. Maybe for him to dictate play from there and maybe play through Shenton more than he did. Second half with the subs, the link up play between defence, midfield and attack got much better and much quicker.
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Post by heavysoul on Oct 7, 2015 22:12:29 GMT
Shawcross is back ! You could tell he was easing himself in. Came off at half time. Stoke grabbed a draw. Shawcross with my boy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2015 22:13:39 GMT
bayernoatcake When he's dropping deep to collect the ball off the centre halves I expected more to happen from him. Maybe for him to dictate play from there and maybe play through Shenton more than he did. Which is fair enough but when you've got two other midfielders in Shenton and Waddington who were in the side to create stuff and got the ball a bit (or didn't come to get) then surely that's the issue? He can't do everything. Defensively I'm still suspicious with him but I thought on the ball he looked good. He wasn't creative but I didn't expect him to be. He was neat, tidy and efficient and never looked troubled even when under pressure. I really like that.
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Post by andylgr on Oct 7, 2015 22:23:44 GMT
bayernoatcake When he's dropping deep to collect the ball off the centre halves I expected more to happen from him. Maybe for him to dictate play from there and maybe play through Shenton more than he did. Which is fair enough but when you've got two other midfielders in Shenton and Waddington who were in the side to create stuff and got the ball a bit (or didn't come to get) then surely that's the issue? He can't do everything. Defensively I'm still suspicious with him but I thought on the ball he looked good. He wasn't creative but I didn't expect him to be. He was neat, tidy and efficient and never looked troubled even when under pressure. I really like that. I agree he was confident on the ball and wanted it. But I think when he's going in to take it off the defenders then how he linked with the other 2 midfielders could have been better, maybe creative was the wrong word to use because it was the midfield 3 as a whole that struggled to take hold of the game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2015 22:31:13 GMT
Which is fair enough but when you've got two other midfielders in Shenton and Waddington who were in the side to create stuff and got the ball a bit (or didn't come to get) then surely that's the issue? He can't do everything. Defensively I'm still suspicious with him but I thought on the ball he looked good. He wasn't creative but I didn't expect him to be. He was neat, tidy and efficient and never looked troubled even when under pressure. I really like that. I agree he was confident on the ball and wanted it. But I think when he's going in to take it off the defenders then how he linked with the other 2 midfielders could have been better, maybe creative was the wrong word to use because it was the midfield 3 as a whole that struggled to take hold of the game. That I agree with but that definitely changed when O'Connor and Birchall went off. Those two controlled the game as you'd expect and from there with our subs as you said we were right on top and I thought Molina did well when it became a more even battle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 23:19:12 GMT
4/5 times. You would think he would show a bit of something in tonight's fixture but I honestly couldn't tell you anything about his game tonight. The no.10 Waddington had a bit more about him in the middle but still, miles off it. I would be pleasantly be surprised if anyone from tonight played, apart from the two subs who came on. Then again, I don't like to judge people off one game. And don't judge Moseley, cos he didner play! Sorry bayern, forgot you don't go away games (still voice the most exploitative opinions) and know the u21s by first name.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2015 23:20:51 GMT
And don't judge Moseley, cos he didner play! Sorry bayern, forgot you don't go away games (still voice the most exploitative opinions) and know the u21s by first name. I go to some away games...... I do know the U-21's you are right. Not personally mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 23:27:30 GMT
Sorry bayern, forgot you don't go away games (still voice the most exploitative opinions) and know the u21s by first name. I go to some away games...... I do know the U-21's you are right. Not personally mind. You admitted recently your away attendance was poor, yet always the most vocal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2015 23:30:24 GMT
I go to some away games...... I do know the U-21's you are right. Not personally mind. You admitted recently your away attendance was poor, yet always the most vocal. It is poor but what of it? And only with stuff that clearly happens and has been shown on MOTD, which I don't think there is anything wrong with. I always say I haven't seen it etc. I won't change so you're barking up the wrong tree here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 0:28:33 GMT
Shawcross is back ! You could tell he was easing himself in. Came off at half time. Stoke grabbed a draw. Shawcross with my boy. Great picture, but I find something very odd about the sight of Mr Stoke City with vale park in the background.
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Post by heavysoul on Oct 8, 2015 6:07:16 GMT
Shawcross is back ! You could tell he was easing himself in. Came off at half time. Stoke grabbed a draw. Shawcross with my boy. Great picture, but I find something very odd about the sight of Mr Stoke City with vale park in the background. Same here mate the location comes up on my iPhone as well. Which seems odd. Not many people can say they met Shawcross at Vale Park.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 8, 2015 6:52:36 GMT
Wonder if Moha was expecting he'd feature more in the senior squad?
His agent said when he signed that the fact he'd be closer to first team football here was a big factor in his decision to sign.
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