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Post by stokemanusa on Sept 1, 2015 18:13:19 GMT
I'm glad this wasn't our club in this situation with a kiddie.. whew.
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 1, 2015 18:18:29 GMT
Should all transfers be money up front? If you cant afford to pay the asking price, tough Titty. Have you got a mortgage, a car loan, a telly on finance, a credit card or any other kind of personal finance? No
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 1, 2015 18:21:36 GMT
Why on earth wouldn't you snap someone's arms off if they offered you north of £20m for Saido Berahino? Maybe because they value him at £30m+ Well done West Scrum. Fuck Levy and Spuds. Gouranga. They don't and if they do they're mental.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 19:08:02 GMT
Do you think Pulis would sign someone like him? Answer. Not a chance. I hope he digs his heels in and never plays for them again personally.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 1, 2015 20:15:37 GMT
Have you got a mortgage, a car loan, a telly on finance, a credit card or any other kind of personal finance? No Cavemen don't count
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 2, 2015 7:18:53 GMT
Where would this kiddie play in a Pulis side? Personally can't see him anywhere other than the bench. He will be on a park bench now draped in newspapers if when Pulis gets his way !!
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Post by jeycov on Sept 2, 2015 7:43:03 GMT
Do you think that he has fallen out with both Peace and Pulis?
TP may just have the right experience to get him back on track if there is a glimmer of hope there.
Well done to West Brom for not being bullied by Spurs on this one
Some England U21 fixtures on the horizon, wonder how that will play out - is he with the squad?
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Berahino
Sept 2, 2015 8:20:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 8:20:58 GMT
Send him to rot in the U21s.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 2, 2015 8:31:02 GMT
Well done to West Brom for not being bullied by Spurs on this one Apparently West Brom's deal for Fazio was wanted on a similar structured payments deal. As much as a twat Levy is, You can't try and make deals a certain way then complain when someone tries to get the same sort of deal off you.
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Post by alster on Sept 2, 2015 8:45:57 GMT
I can see both sides of this. I admire the Baggies for standing their ground but also feel for the lad being made to stay somewhere you don't want to be and having made that clear its going to be really unpleasant for him in his working life. Regardless of the ridiculous sums of money they are paid I'm not sure such a situation is fair from a human point of view. I really do think more than ever that pre agreed buyout clauses are the way forward for every player.
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Berahino
Sept 2, 2015 8:46:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 8:46:56 GMT
Yes but hadn't spurs already made 2 bids for Berahino before the talk of sending Fazio the other way?
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Post by alster on Sept 2, 2015 8:48:51 GMT
I'm glad this wasn't our club in this situation with a kiddie.. whew. What you're glad we've not produced any young players worth 20 odd million. Strange.
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Post by alster on Sept 2, 2015 8:52:16 GMT
I can see both sides of this. I admire the Baggies for standing their ground but also feel for the lad being made to stay somewhere you don't want to be and having made that clear its going to be really unpleasant for him in his working life. Regardless of the ridiculous sums of money they are paid I'm not sure such a situation is fair from a human point of view. I really do think more than ever that pre agreed buyout clauses are the way forward for every player. Adding to my point I wonder if any player has thought of challenging the status quo under human rights legislation. Surely there must be a case to be heard.
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 2, 2015 8:54:32 GMT
The contract he signed cuts both ways. I am sure if Berahino had been shit for the last couple of years and broke his leg he wouldn't be kicking off. Fact is he signed the contract and it was good enough then so tough luck Saido, you need to grit your teeth and get on with it................Makes my blood boil, how many kids (and adults) would love to play professional football for a living and to get 30k (or whatever he is on) per week with all the trappings and this lad has the gumption to moan about it.
Try working in a factory for a week Saido for £300 per week and see how you get on!!!
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Post by jeycov on Sept 2, 2015 8:55:05 GMT
We've been linked with and missed out on some big names during this window.
Some of these have proved to be extremely frustrating and not at all straightforward and we have lost out
Who knows just what was going on in our bids for Yarmolenko and Konoplyanka - it's all be kept in house
Players out of contract, wanting to leave, owners / management blocking moves
2 of our most valuable players have left for bargain prices, we let them get to the last 12 months of their contracts - a lesson to be learnt there?
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Post by alster on Sept 2, 2015 9:07:15 GMT
We've been linked with and missed out on some big names during this window. Some of these have proved to be extremely frustrating and not at all straightforward and we have lost out Who knows just what was going on in our bids for Yarmolenko and Konoplyanka - it's all be kept in house Players out of contract, wanting to leave, owners / management blocking moves 2 of our most valuable players have left for bargain prices, we let them get to the last 12 months of their contracts - a lesson to be learnt there? Yeah I think the best thing players could do would refuse to make any comment whatsoever on transfer speculation or ongoing deals. If the deal does not materialise/go through they leave themselves in a very awkward position. Dear Gea for instance, if I were Van Gaal I'd make it clear that a very fair and lucrative 5 year contract with a 40 million Euro buyout was on the table and that I wouldn't consider him for selection unless he signed it. It's a clash between the business and human world that's hard to settle. In an ideal world being a professional footballer would be just like any other job and they would be able to move from one employer to another without being traded like pieces of meat.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2015 9:10:36 GMT
I can see both sides of this. I admire the Baggies for standing their ground but also feel for the lad being made to stay somewhere you don't want to be and having made that clear its going to be really unpleasant for him in his working life. Regardless of the ridiculous sums of money they are paid I'm not sure such a situation is fair from a human point of view. I really do think more than ever that pre agreed buyout clauses are the way forward for every player. Adding to my point I wonder if any player has thought of challenging the status quo under human rights legislation. Surely there must be a case to be heard. What - are you serious? Player signs a contract for x years and then tries to get it overturned on human rights grounds? How about when a club signs a contract with a player (call him Palacios if it helps) for x years and then decides it isn't working out so they use human rights grounds for not paying him the last two years of that contract? Actually I'm beginning to see some merit in your idea!
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Post by mozzer on Sept 2, 2015 9:28:28 GMT
At the end of the day he has made himself look foolish and greedy by his comments, less so than the massively overrated Stirling and a less cringe worthy way than the loyalty shown by "I am here for the long haul, No I have changed my mind I’m off" Delph.
Why clubs do not stick a gagging order built within contracts towards keeping everything internal is beyond me, the contracts are all legal documents so could be tailored with any proposal required, I worked for a company over 20 years ago and part of my contract was an assurance that I never spoke to any media without the express permission or vetting of the company, failure to comply was classed as gross misconduct and could ultimately lead to being shown the door....even though looking back I struggle to comprehend such a stern and final outcome if broken I was more than willing to sign it as I wanted the position and more importantly money.
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Berahino
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 2, 2015 9:47:44 GMT
Bet Pulis was spitting venom.....he wanted that £20M to put an offer in for Crouch & Walters!!!
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Sept 2, 2015 10:03:51 GMT
Adding to my point I wonder if any player has thought of challenging the status quo under human rights legislation. Surely there must be a case to be heard. What - are you serious? Player signs a contract for x years and then tries to get it overturned on human rights grounds? How about when a club signs a contract with a player (call him Palacios if it helps) for x years and then decides it isn't working out so they use human rights grounds for not paying him the last two years of that contract? Actually I'm beginning to see some merit in your idea! I can imagine the hearing... Poor little Berahino in his £5,000 suit, £25,000 Rolex and other assorted finery, pleading for justice... "they're only paying me £30,000 a week, it's just NOT FAIR!" Foot stamping tantrum and all.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Sept 2, 2015 10:04:24 GMT
By the way, in case it's not clear, I think he's a little turd.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 10:13:58 GMT
We've been linked with and missed out on some big names during this window. Some of these have proved to be extremely frustrating and not at all straightforward and we have lost out Who knows just what was going on in our bids for Yarmolenko and Konoplyanka - it's all be kept in house Players out of contract, wanting to leave, owners / management blocking moves 2 of our most valuable players have left for bargain prices, we let them get to the last 12 months of their contracts - a lesson to be learnt there? but the 2 most valuable players were both offered extensions BEFORE they got to their last years...it was THEM who didn't want to sign the extensions!!!!!!!!!!! you can't learn any lessons if the players DON'T WANT TO SIGN FOR YOU!!!!!!! i really, really, really really, really, really, really,really wish people would stop using N'Zonzi and Bego as some sign that we've made mistakes and actually look at what bloody happened in reality!!! you CANNOT force ANY player to sign an extension to their contract and BOTH made it clear they didn't want to (N'Zonzi had at every available transfer window for over 2 years FFS!) there was and is quite literally NOTHING a club can do if you offer extensions to players and they refuse them (and can we please remember that according to both players themselves, their refusal to sign extensions and desires to move on had nothing to do with money etc. it was apparently because of their ambition to play for the biggest sides...or sit on the bench at the biggest sides anyway in Bego's case) THEIR faults, NOT the club's!!!!!!
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Post by RAF on Sept 2, 2015 10:26:16 GMT
We've been linked with and missed out on some big names during this window. Some of these have proved to be extremely frustrating and not at all straightforward and we have lost out Who knows just what was going on in our bids for Yarmolenko and Konoplyanka - it's all be kept in house Players out of contract, wanting to leave, owners / management blocking moves 2 of our most valuable players have left for bargain prices, we let them get to the last 12 months of their contracts - a lesson to be learnt there? but the 2 most valuable players were both offered extensions BEFORE they got to their last years...it was THEM who didn't want to sign the extensions!!!!!!!!!!! you can't learn any lessons if the players DON'T WANT TO SIGN FOR YOU!!!!!!! i really, really, really really, really, really, really,really wish people would stop using N'Zonzi and Bego as some sign that we've made mistakes and actually look at what bloody happened in reality!!! you CANNOT force ANY player to sign an extension to their contract and BOTH made it clear they didn't want to (N'Zonzi had at every available transfer window for over 2 years FFS!) there was and is quite literally NOTHING a club can do if you offer extensions to players and they refuse them (and can we please remember that according to both players themselves, their refusal to sign extensions and desires to move on had nothing to do with money etc. it was apparently because of their ambition to play for the biggest sides...or sit on the bench at the biggest sides anyway in Bego's case) THEIR faults, NOT the club's!!!!!! Unfortunately some on here are fucking too thick to understand that concept. Either that or their agenda can't accept it! H
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Post by alster on Sept 2, 2015 10:30:32 GMT
Adding to my point I wonder if any player has thought of challenging the status quo under human rights legislation. Surely there must be a case to be heard. What - are you serious? Player signs a contract for x years and then tries to get it overturned on human rights grounds? How about when a club signs a contract with a player (call him Palacios if it helps) for x years and then decides it isn't working out so they use human rights grounds for not paying him the last two years of that contract? Actually I'm beginning to see some merit in your idea! Yeah I'm serious I don't personally believe that any person unless detained by law should be kept in a situation in which they are unhappy. I value personal freedom more than money, whether that be supported by human rights, the right to pursue happiness or whatever means. I don't earn thousands of pounds a week but am free to do what I want when I want and am certainly a lot happier and mentally well adjusted person than I was before that was the case. I'm certainly not clever enough to come up with a fair solution, the whole concept of buying and selling people is not one that's sits easily with me. Agreed buy out fees with some sort of formula linked to wages and length of contract remaining might make the system fairer but still not ideal. Ideally a player like most other people should just be able to give notice. I know that's simplistic and would have many knock on effects but it seems to work for the rest of society why should football be a special case?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2015 10:56:28 GMT
What - are you serious? Player signs a contract for x years and then tries to get it overturned on human rights grounds? How about when a club signs a contract with a player (call him Palacios if it helps) for x years and then decides it isn't working out so they use human rights grounds for not paying him the last two years of that contract? Actually I'm beginning to see some merit in your idea! Yeah I'm serious I don't personally believe that any person unless detained by law should be kept in a situation in which they are unhappy. I value personal freedom more than money, whether that be supported by human rights, the right to pursue happiness or whatever means. I don't earn thousands of pounds a week but am free to do what I want when I want and am certainly a lot happier and mentally well adjusted person than I was before that was the case. I'm certainly not clever enough to come up with a fair solution, the whole concept of buying and selling people is not one that's sits easily with me. Agreed buy out fees with some sort of formula linked to wages and length of contract remaining might make the system fairer but still not ideal. Ideally a player like most other people should just be able to give notice. I know that's simplistic and would have many knock on effects but it seems to work for the rest of society why should football be a special case? Football is not a special case. Much of the world of employment does (as you say) work on the principle of an open contract where the employee can give a set amount of notice. But much of the world of employment (not just football) works on the principle of fixed length contracts. This is especially true of job where there is an international aspect to the work. Would you uproot your family and head off to another country - perhaps on the far side of the world - if you didn't have a fixed length contract of employment? As it happens the English born and bred son of the lady in my life lives and works in Thailand for an Anglo/US/German international renewable energy company. He was headhunted after university by several companies and chose the job he now has, not because they paid the most, but because they offered the length of contract which he felt most comfortable with.
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Post by baystokie on Sept 2, 2015 11:45:11 GMT
What - are you serious? Player signs a contract for x years and then tries to get it overturned on human rights grounds? How about when a club signs a contract with a player (call him Palacios if it helps) for x years and then decides it isn't working out so they use human rights grounds for not paying him the last two years of that contract? Actually I'm beginning to see some merit in your idea! Yeah I'm serious I don't personally believe that any person unless detained by law should be kept in a situation in which they are unhappy. I value personal freedom more than money, whether that be supported by human rights, the right to pursue happiness or whatever means. I don't earn thousands of pounds a week but am free to do what I want when I want and am certainly a lot happier and mentally well adjusted person than I was before that was the case. I'm certainly not clever enough to come up with a fair solution, the whole concept of buying and selling people is not one that's sits easily with me. Agreed buy out fees with some sort of formula linked to wages and length of contract remaining might make the system fairer but still not ideal. Ideally a player like most other people should just be able to give notice. I know that's simplistic and would have many knock on effects but it seems to work for the rest of society why should football be a special case? What do you suggest as an acceptable (to both sides) period of notice? It cannot be so short that the manager suddenly finds out that a number of his players have handed in their notice and will be leaving in ....... weeks/months/season and he needs to find a keeper, a centre back and 2 wingers before those notices expire. No use going down the Job Centre!
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 2, 2015 11:52:59 GMT
Five Live last night were saying that Pulis wanted to sell him but Peace wanted him to stay. Maybe he needed the money for 30+ year old has beens, don't know.
If it fucks WBA about then all power to Berahino.
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Post by alster on Sept 2, 2015 12:41:31 GMT
Yeah I'm serious I don't personally believe that any person unless detained by law should be kept in a situation in which they are unhappy. I value personal freedom more than money, whether that be supported by human rights, the right to pursue happiness or whatever means. I don't earn thousands of pounds a week but am free to do what I want when I want and am certainly a lot happier and mentally well adjusted person than I was before that was the case. I'm certainly not clever enough to come up with a fair solution, the whole concept of buying and selling people is not one that's sits easily with me. Agreed buy out fees with some sort of formula linked to wages and length of contract remaining might make the system fairer but still not ideal. Ideally a player like most other people should just be able to give notice. I know that's simplistic and would have many knock on effects but it seems to work for the rest of society why should football be a special case? Football is not a special case. Much of the world of employment does (as you say) work on the principle of an open contract where the employee can give a set amount of notice. But much of the world of employment (not just football) works on the principle of fixed length contracts. This is especially true of job where there is an international aspect to the work. Would you uproot your family and head off to another country - perhaps on the far side of the world - if you didn't have a fixed length contract of employment? As it happens the English born and bred son of the lady in my life lives and works in Thailand for an Anglo/US/German international renewable energy company. He was headhunted after university by several companies and chose the job he now has, not because they paid the most, but because they offered the length of contract which he felt most comfortable with. So if he decides he doesn't want to be in Thailand anymore he can't just give notice and go work somewhere else? If that's so it obviously shows my narrow horizons I always thought if you wanted to quit one job and move to another there really wasn't much anybody could do about it. In my experience even notice is courtesy, if you don't want to be somewhere you leave.
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Post by alster on Sept 2, 2015 12:43:23 GMT
Yeah I'm serious I don't personally believe that any person unless detained by law should be kept in a situation in which they are unhappy. I value personal freedom more than money, whether that be supported by human rights, the right to pursue happiness or whatever means. I don't earn thousands of pounds a week but am free to do what I want when I want and am certainly a lot happier and mentally well adjusted person than I was before that was the case. I'm certainly not clever enough to come up with a fair solution, the whole concept of buying and selling people is not one that's sits easily with me. Agreed buy out fees with some sort of formula linked to wages and length of contract remaining might make the system fairer but still not ideal. Ideally a player like most other people should just be able to give notice. I know that's simplistic and would have many knock on effects but it seems to work for the rest of society why should football be a special case? What do you suggest as an acceptable (to both sides) period of notice? It cannot be so short that the manager suddenly finds out that a number of his players have handed in their notice and will be leaving in ....... weeks/months/season and he needs to find a keeper, a centre back and 2 wingers before those notices expire. No use gowing down the Job Centre! I don't know. Why can't it every other industry on the planet has to live with it.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 2, 2015 12:50:57 GMT
What do you suggest as an acceptable (to both sides) period of notice? It cannot be so short that the manager suddenly finds out that a number of his players have handed in their notice and will be leaving in ....... weeks/months/season and he needs to find a keeper, a centre back and 2 wingers before those notices expire. No use gowing down the Job Centre! I don't know. Why can't it every other industry on the planet has to live with it. Most other industries don't have to pay Millions to aquire your services tho do they ?
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