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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 26, 2015 8:38:29 GMT
Yeah he's a better defender than Geoff. I do believe I refer to them both as "error strewn idiots" though and would happily sell them both and don't like the way either of them defend. But taking the moral high ground when Geoff was so bloody weak in the lead up to the goal is pretty hilarious! I'm not sure I took the moral high ground? I said the blame for the goal for me lay mostly at the ground of Wilson because he's failed to track his man. Your saviour Bards wasn't brilliant in all that either. There were numerous people at fault. Geoff was one of them.
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Post by Stoke711 on Aug 26, 2015 8:41:19 GMT
Always thought his debut for us against Arsenal where he played CM is one of his best games for us.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 26, 2015 8:45:35 GMT
Yes, but you need to remember he came on fresh towards the end of normal time. He did not have to pace himself for 90 mins and was up against tired 3rd rate opposition.
Nevertheless he was like a breath of fresh air. He also played with authority, like a captain. Clearly being a first choice CB (over Wolly) has given him confidence.
I'd still stick to the regular back 4 for Saturday and if necessary bring Wilson on and move Geoff further forward. Bardsley didn't do enough to displace Johnson.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2015 9:03:14 GMT
Yeah he's a better defender than Geoff. I do believe I refer to them both as "error strewn idiots" though and would happily sell them both and don't like the way either of them defend. But taking the moral high ground when Geoff was so bloody weak in the lead up to the goal is pretty hilarious! I'm not sure I took the moral high ground? I said the blame for the goal for me lay mostly at the ground of Wilson because he's failed to track his man. Your saviour Bards wasn't brilliant in all that either. I think most of it lies with Bardsley. He nodded off, Geoff had to be stronger and Wolly and Wilson had to be closer together. From all 4 of then it was 4 basic schoolboy errors that sums them all up. Not good enough.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2015 9:12:08 GMT
I'm not sure I took the moral high ground? I said the blame for the goal for me lay mostly at the ground of Wilson because he's failed to track his man. Your saviour Bards wasn't brilliant in all that either. There were numerous people at fault. Geoff was one of them. I don't remember you pinning blame on Sidwell who was rolled far too easily on the Coutinho goal. Funny how certain minds pick and choose who they want to pin blame on. I'm not sure I took the moral high ground? I said the blame for the goal for me lay mostly at the ground of Wilson because he's failed to track his man. Your saviour Bards wasn't brilliant in all that either. I think most of it lies with Bardsley. He nodded off, Geoff had to be stronger and Wolly and Wilson had to be closer together. From all 4 of then it was 4 basic schoolboy errors that sums them all up. Not good enough. For me, most of it lies with Wilson. As a centre half in that situation, you MUST anticipate a cross coming in. I am not sure Cameron's mistake is anywhere near the same level as Wilson's. Why do I feel this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that if Cameron had missed, you'd have smiled more than when he scored? I really hope I'm wrong Bayern, I really hope so lad.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 26, 2015 9:18:18 GMT
There were numerous people at fault. Geoff was one of them. I don't remember you pinning blame on Sidwell who was rolled far too easily on the Coutinho goal. Funny how certain minds pick and choose who they want to pin blame on. I think most of it lies with Bardsley. He nodded off, Geoff had to be stronger and Wolly and Wilson had to be closer together. From all 4 of then it was 4 basic schoolboy errors that sums them all up. Not good enough. For me, most of it lies with Wilson. As a centre half in that situation, you MUST anticipate a cross coming in. I am not sure Cameron's mistake is anywhere near the same level as Wilson's. Why do I feel this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that if Cameron had missed, you'd have smiled more than when he scored? I really hope I'm wrong Bayern, I really hope so lad. Geoff was rolled far more easily than Sidwell for my money. Also think it's one thing to be rolled by a world-class player and another to be done by a bloke playing for a team currently 90th in the Football League. I thought Geoff on the whole played well last night and took his penalty beautifully, but this high-pitched shrieking of "WITCH!" every time anyone criticises any aspect of his game is getting embarrassing now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2015 9:20:08 GMT
There were numerous people at fault. Geoff was one of them. I don't remember you pinning blame on Sidwell who was rolled far too easily on the Coutinho goal. Funny how certain minds pick and choose who they want to pin blame on. I think most of it lies with Bardsley. He nodded off, Geoff had to be stronger and Wolly and Wilson had to be closer together. From all 4 of then it was 4 basic schoolboy errors that sums them all up. Not good enough. For me, most of it lies with Wilson. As a centre half in that situation, you MUST anticipate a cross coming in. I am not sure Cameron's mistake is anywhere near the same level as Wilson's. Why do I feel this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that if Cameron had missed, you'd have smiled more than when he scored? I really hope I'm wrong Bayern, I really hope so lad. Of course it is. He could stop it easily. He jumped in to nick the ball and missed it, it's a big mistake when it leads to a goal. He has 3 options, win the ball, jockey him or nail him. He did none of the above. Wilson was shit for it. Like I said it just highlights how weak all of them are and the issues we have. Why the fuck would I have wanted him to miss?
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Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2015 9:29:03 GMT
I don't remember you pinning blame on Sidwell who was rolled far too easily on the Coutinho goal. Funny how certain minds pick and choose who they want to pin blame on. For me, most of it lies with Wilson. As a centre half in that situation, you MUST anticipate a cross coming in. I am not sure Cameron's mistake is anywhere near the same level as Wilson's. Why do I feel this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that if Cameron had missed, you'd have smiled more than when he scored? I really hope I'm wrong Bayern, I really hope so lad. Of course it is. He could stop it easily. He jumped in to nick the ball and missed it, it's a big mistake when it leads to a goal. He has 3 options, win the ball, jockey him or nail him. He did none of the above. Wilson was shit for it. Like I said it just highlights how weak all of them are and the issues we have. Why the fuck would I have wanted him to miss? OK, so now that we've established you think the entire back four is shit, exactly who would you play? I'm genuinely interested in your answer to this question. Huth has gone and you can't say N'Zonzi four times. So please, using all your FM experience, tell me who you'd play right now across the back four?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2015 9:34:07 GMT
Of course it is. He could stop it easily. He jumped in to nick the ball and missed it, it's a big mistake when it leads to a goal. He has 3 options, win the ball, jockey him or nail him. He did none of the above. Wilson was shit for it. Like I said it just highlights how weak all of them are and the issues we have. Why the fuck would I have wanted him to miss? OK, so now that we've established you think the entire back four is shit, exactly who would you play? I'm genuinely interested in your answer to this question. Huth has gone and you can't say N'Zonzi four times. So please, using all your FM experience, tell me who you'd play right now across the back four? What? None of them should be in the starting back 4 when they're all fit! I'd sign a new defender, like I've been saying since I knew Shawcross was fucked in early July....... It's from 2012 so I'd go Romario Shawcross Jones Taylor Beasts.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2015 9:40:06 GMT
OK, so now that we've established you think the entire back four is shit, exactly who would you play? I'm genuinely interested in your answer to this question. Huth has gone and you can't say N'Zonzi four times. So please, using all your FM experience, tell me who you'd play right now across the back four? What? None of them should be in the starting back 4 when they're all fit! I'd sign a new defender, like I've been saying since I knew Shawcross was fucked in early July....... It's from 2012 so I'd go Romario Shawcross Jones Taylor Beasts. No answer then
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2015 9:41:40 GMT
What? None of them should be in the starting back 4 when they're all fit! I'd sign a new defender, like I've been saying since I knew Shawcross was fucked in early July....... It's from 2012 so I'd go Romario Shawcross Jones Taylor Beasts. No answer then I'd sign a new centre back... And why should I answer when you're giving the Football Manager bollocks? That's just disrespectful and damn right churlish.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 26, 2015 9:48:39 GMT
Fucking cracking player. Always gives 100% for the team, like Whelan and Walters; with a bit of class thrown in.
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Post by datguy on Aug 26, 2015 9:51:02 GMT
He should be in midfield against WBA. Give us height and strength then they attack. Wollschied - Muniesa Whelan - Cameron
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2015 9:52:50 GMT
The same strength he showed when getting outmuscled in the turn for their goal?
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Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2015 10:08:44 GMT
I'd sign a new centre back... And why should I answer when you're giving the Football Manager bollocks? That's just disrespectful and damn right churlish. Oh come off it Bayern, don't get all precious on me. You think we should sign a centre back? Who? Name and price?
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Post by liathroid on Aug 26, 2015 10:12:41 GMT
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Post by desman2 on Aug 26, 2015 10:13:15 GMT
He should be in midfield against WBA. Give us height and strength then they attack. Wollschied - Muniesa Whelan - Cameron Seems to enjoy getting a shot off from central as well
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 10:20:47 GMT
I've been impressed with Geoff at CB in Ryan's absence he done a very good job. I prefer him at CB than Wilson and he's proved his worth so far this season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2015 10:41:58 GMT
I'd sign a new centre back... And why should I answer when you're giving the Football Manager bollocks? That's just disrespectful and damn right churlish. Oh come off it Bayern, don't get all precious on me. You think we should sign a centre back? Who? Name and price? Joleon Lescott, cheapish.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 26, 2015 10:42:24 GMT
"You're a tiger!(Geoff, not you!).
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 26, 2015 10:45:02 GMT
Midfield is undoubtedly his best position for us and at the moment would add steel to the midfield until Van Ginkel sorts himself out. Wilson is a better defender than Geoff so makes sense all ways round.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2015 10:47:26 GMT
How is Van Ginkel going to sort himself out by not playing? For now he has to stay in the side.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 26, 2015 10:49:39 GMT
How is Van Ginkel going to sort himself out by not playing? For now he has to stay in the side. He can play cup games, get himself in the gym and come off the bench when appropriate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 10:50:15 GMT
Midfield is undoubtedly his best position for us and at the moment would add steel to the midfield until Van Ginkel sorts himself out. Wilson is a better defender than Geoff so makes sense all ways round. Current form would not back that up, Geoff has done very well at CB.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 26, 2015 10:50:53 GMT
Bar being the reason it was needed! Your boy Wils was at fault for their goal, not Geoff. He's just a PATSY!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 26, 2015 10:52:23 GMT
Bardsley was at fault for the goal and nearly cost us another, he's the one who needs to be first out of the door.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2015 10:52:29 GMT
How is Van Ginkel going to sort himself out by not playing? For now he has to stay in the side. He can play cup games, get himself in the gym and come off the bench when appropriate. First of all the manager needs to use him correctly, then it's fair to judge imo.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2015 10:53:47 GMT
Your boy Wils was at fault for their goal, not Geoff. He's just a PATSY! So getting turned like you're not there and thus allowing the move to continue isn't being at fault? He was partially at fault with 3 others who are error prone messes too.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2015 11:05:40 GMT
Oh come off it Bayern, don't get all precious on me. You think we should sign a centre back? Who? Name and price? Joleon Lescott, cheapish. Isn't going to happen though is it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2015 11:06:18 GMT
Joleon Lescott, cheapish. Isn't going to happen though is it? Why?
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