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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2015 11:48:39 GMT
Not playing I think the other way of looking at it, is that's it's unfair to expect the manager to keep performing miracles. If he's happy enough then you might say 'so what' but I look at our ins and outs and the decline of a few players in key areas and I can't see us progressing next season at this point. The job Hughes has done has been remarkable, recognised but underrated in the wider world but he will know better than anyone that the time to strengthen is when you're at the top. The transfer team (including Hughes) have acquired the right tools though and the performing micarcles has been the signing of the right players. It's not like Hughes has been handed donkeys to work with. Hughes himself said at the end of last season, that what we had been doing was unsustainable. He recognised the need to spend. If he's happy, then that's largely OK but how will he feel if we finish 13th next year. Perfectly acceptable of course but is that how he will see it?
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Post by Binndy on Jul 30, 2015 11:48:36 GMT
We need to win 10+ games.I dont mind the price of our players.A win , A win. If it against a top side .The smile is a lot bigger. Team work wins matches.We need to remember the hidden costs.No player is free. Im still not convinced we are willing to spend big.Regardless of the rumors.I dont much care.I pay to be entertained .We are in progression.I will never forget the 0-0 verses villa.Bored.com.onwards and upwards with a good attacking team.With the right amount of defensive work.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 30, 2015 11:49:33 GMT
Give WHU 17m for Mark Noble. Makes no sense but it means we will have spent money and that's what counts eh? Literally nobody is saying that. I know mate.I was using an extreme example to make a point. I assume we have some money. If the right players aren't available to invest in why the hurry?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 11:51:05 GMT
I'd quite happily see us spend £15m on the likes of Alex Mowatt and Sam Byram at Leeds, John Souttar at Dundee Utd and other young up and coming British players who could take up part of the homegrown quota in the squad, but as others have said the obsession with spending money is baffling really......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 11:52:14 GMT
Literally nobody is saying that. I know mate.I was using an extreme example to make a point. I assume we have some money. If the right players aren't available to invest in why the hurry? It depends if you believe that we have some money.....I don't overly and seeing it is the only thing that will make me believe. But it needs to be on the correct player obviously. I just don't get the seeming complete change of policy, I got it in the first year....see how Hughes does etc but then for it to carry on? The wage bill so far has stayed the same and we're spending less money. It doesn't add up to being properly backed to me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2015 11:52:25 GMT
I'd quite happily see us spend £15m on the likes of Alex Mowatt and Sam Byram at Leeds, John Souttar at Dundee Utd and other young up and coming British players who could take up part of the homegrown quota in the squad, but as others have said the obsession with spending money is baffling really...... The manager seemed to be pretty keen on the idea of spending money in May.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 11:53:53 GMT
I'd quite happily see us spend £15m on the likes of Alex Mowatt and Sam Byram at Leeds, John Souttar at Dundee Utd and other young up and coming British players who could take up part of the homegrown quota in the squad, but as others have said the obsession with spending money is baffling really...... The manager seemed to be pretty keen on the idea of spending money in May. For the right player yes definitely. And I'm sure he still would if the chance arises.........
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 30, 2015 11:54:48 GMT
The transfer team (including Hughes) have acquired the right tools though and the performing micarcles has been the signing of the right players. It's not like Hughes has been handed donkeys to work with. Hughes himself said at the end of last season, that what we had been doing was unsustainable. He recognised the need to spend. If he's happy, then that's largely OK but how will he feel if we finish 13th next year. Perfectly acceptable of course but is that how he will see it? It depends how the next 4 weeks pan out. If we do go balls out for this next level signing then obviously you're right and Hughes isn't happy with bargain shopping. There's no reason though why we can't maintain or even better last years total/position with the squad we have. Personally at this moment in time I only think we are weaker because we've lost N'Zonzi, but that is because I've not seen enough of van Ginkel yet to form an opinion of him. Hughes obviously rates him though.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 30, 2015 11:55:13 GMT
I know mate.I was using an extreme example to make a point. I assume we have some money. If the right players aren't available to invest in why the hurry? It depends if you believe that we have some money.....I don't overly and seeing it is the only thing that will make me believe. But it needs to be on the correct player obviously. I just don't get the seeming complete change of policy, I got it in the first year....see how Hughes does etc but then for it to carry on? The wage bill so far has stayed the same and we're spending less money. It doesn't add up to being properly backed to me. Well praps Mark isn't that keen to spend big money. Perhaps he thinks he they don't have to spend massively. Which is a good thing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 11:56:04 GMT
I'm curious, why do fans think that spending money means success for a small club that are doing very well in the middle of the table? We aren't taking too many chances at the moment financially, which may just mean that we are investing money elsewehere.....maybe the academy? Also, what premier league team around us actually has a 20 goal a season striker?
We replaced Huth with Wollscheid and we have replaced Moses with Afellay.
Losing Huth shouldn't have any effect as, unlike Wolly, he didn't play last season for us. And Afellay is an unknown, he may only be fit enough to play a few games, but so did Moses and we still did very well.
This year will be decided by our injury table, if we can keep players fit, I think we could do very well! N'zonzi is the only clear loss that I see, but the signing of Johnson may give Cameron the option to run the midfield and with both him and Adam raring to go, why shouldn't we get off to a good start.
I often wonder how far people think this club can actually go?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 11:56:27 GMT
I'd quite happily see us spend £15m on the likes of Alex Mowatt and Sam Byram at Leeds, John Souttar at Dundee Utd and other young up and coming British players who could take up part of the homegrown quota in the squad, but as others have said the obsession with spending money is baffling really...... Yeah do people when money spent when we've lost 3 of our best players and the CEO has promised we'll sign next level players. I can't see where it comes from!
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Post by rawli on Jul 30, 2015 11:57:16 GMT
I long for the days we spent millions on Dean Whitehead and Wilson Palacios. Much better than the free shit we have to endure now. Look at that wanker Bojan. He cost less than Andrew Davies. I find it embarrassing and huniliating that he's allowed to pull on the shirt.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 30, 2015 11:58:04 GMT
We obviously have money. I just think they're very cautious in spending it (quite rightly in my opinion). Everything that's come out of the club has mentioned the 'right player' If we can get this player we will.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 11:58:17 GMT
It depends if you believe that we have some money.....I don't overly and seeing it is the only thing that will make me believe. But it needs to be on the correct player obviously. I just don't get the seeming complete change of policy, I got it in the first year....see how Hughes does etc but then for it to carry on? The wage bill so far has stayed the same and we're spending less money. It doesn't add up to being properly backed to me. Well praps Mark isn't that keen to spend big money. Perhaps he thinks he they don't have to spend massively. Which is a good thing It is if you haven't lost some of the players we have in a window. All of the noises coming from the club since May have indicated a big spend....
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 30, 2015 11:58:34 GMT
I long for the days we spent millions on Dean Whitehead and Wilson Palacios. Much better than the free shit we have to endure now. Look at that wanker Bojan. He cost less than Andrew Davies. I find it embarrassing and huniliating that he's allowed to pull on the shirt. Boj was less than Andrew Davies. Bloomin nora eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 11:59:28 GMT
Judging by all the knicker wetting and speculation on this site all summer, I'm not the only one who would like to see some big signings made. Are we happy to stay in mid table or do we want to push on? I agree we have done brilliantly to finish where we have without massive outlay, but how long can we carry on doing it ? I think we have weakened the squad and recorded negative investment. Push on to what ? Untouchables Man City Man Utd Chelsea Arsenal Can't compete financially with Liverpool That leaves 6th spot to fight for or a cup to get into Europe. The main problem is Scholes telling us we're after next level signings getting everyones hopes up. I'd rather them run the club like this and keep the football affordable for us fans to go to watch than bleed us dry to pay mega money to the top stars. Exactly, its great that we don't, as fans, have to spend as much as many other clubs to go and see our team play. If Stoke was a more affluent area, you could guarantee that ticket prices would be up and so would attendance, but the truth is the area of the club dictates just how much potential we actually have. Not only can we not compete with Liverpool, but also Tottenham as well....which leaves 7th as the best we could do. It's amazing that we do as well as we have been considering the sizes of some of the clubs that historically take these positions. Cup runs are our only chance of glory.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 12:01:29 GMT
I'm curious, why do fans think that spending money means success for a small club that are doing very well in the middle of the table? We aren't taking too many chances at the moment financially, which may just mean that we are investing money elsewehere.....maybe the academy? Also, what premier league team around us actually has a 20 goal a season striker? We replaced Huth with Wollscheid and we have replaced Moses with Afellay. Losing Huth shouldn't have any effect as, unlike Wolly, he didn't play last season for us. And Afellay is an unknown, he may only be fit enough to play a few games, but so did Moses and we still did very well. This year will be decided by our injury table, if we can keep players fit, I think we could do very well! N'zonzi is the only clear loss that I see, but the signing of Johnson may give Cameron the option to run the midfield and with both him and Adam raring to go, why shouldn't we get off to a good start. I often wonder how far people think this club can actually go? We still haven't build the new dome for the academy which could be possibly vital to keeping category 1 status. And we've just cancelled the friendly vs Macc prsumably because we haven't got the players to play and those that would play would probably get a hammering.... I think we could have gone very far if we kept Fonzy and Bego, shame we didn't. That's how good I thought the side was last year, he's got to replicate that, it's going to hard.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 12:03:33 GMT
I'd quite happily see us spend £15m on the likes of Alex Mowatt and Sam Byram at Leeds, John Souttar at Dundee Utd and other young up and coming British players who could take up part of the homegrown quota in the squad, but as others have said the obsession with spending money is baffling really...... Yeah do people when money spent when we've lost 3 of our best players and the CEO has promised we'll sign next level players. I can't see where it comes from! Unlike FM2014 "next level" players don't just sign on the dotted line though. They wait and wait for a big club playing in Europe to snap them up, and only then do they contemplate coming to the likes of us. But the policy of picking up potential gems like Bojan and Afellay who have had injuries/loss of confidence and getting them back to their best is also a good one for a club like us. I'm comfortable with the squad and when I checked this morning my calendar said 30th July NOT 30th August..........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 12:08:18 GMT
Yeah do people when money spent when we've lost 3 of our best players and the CEO has promised we'll sign next level players. I can't see where it comes from! Unlike FM2014 "next level" players don't just sign on the dotted line though. They wait and wait for a big club playing in Europe to snap them up, and only then do they contemplate coming to the likes of us. But the policy of picking up potential gems like Bojan and Afellay who have had injuries/loss of confidence and getting them back to their best is also a good one for a club like us. I'm comfortable with the squad and when I checked this morning my calendar said 30th July NOT 30th August.......... Oh less of it, you're better than that. No they don't and especially not for us, I don't expect any of them to sign. I also don't expect our CEO to go on about it like they would. And it is but it comes with it's obvious risk and not everyone will end up like Bojan you'd imagine. And that plan is better when you're keeping your better players, which we haven't done this time around. I'm comfortable with it too, the first team looks a tad iffy mind and it is but there will be one? more signing? All this on the back of most people not wanting many signings to keep the squad settled!
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Post by chaydlestokie on Jul 30, 2015 12:14:27 GMT
We get one go at getting in the 'right' big figure signing. Unlike Man City etc., we cannot just sign names at a whim, flavours of the month and hope it works and if it doesnt so what we'll just consider 'it' broke and move 'it' on and get us a new one cus yea the game doesnt matter anymore and yea weve got that much fuckin money. If it doesnt happen this year then we try again next year. Tony Pulis spoke many great truisms whilst at Stoke, 'Evolution not revolution' being one of the best. Be patient, chillax and above all..... KTF.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 12:18:11 GMT
We get one go at getting in the 'right' big figure signing. Unlike Man City etc., we cannot just sign names at a whim, flavours of the month and hope it works and if it doesnt so what we'll just consider 'it' broke and move 'it' on and get us a new one cus yea the game doesnt matter anymore and yea weve got that much fuckin money. If it doesnt happen this year then we try again next year. Tony Pulis spoke many great truisms whilst at Stoke, 'Evolution not revolution' being one of the best. Be patient, chillax and above all..... KTF. Ah a good old bit of TP bollocks which Mark Hughes blew out of the water by changing the style of play almost over night!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 12:19:09 GMT
Unlike FM2014 "next level" players don't just sign on the dotted line though. They wait and wait for a big club playing in Europe to snap them up, and only then do they contemplate coming to the likes of us. But the policy of picking up potential gems like Bojan and Afellay who have had injuries/loss of confidence and getting them back to their best is also a good one for a club like us. I'm comfortable with the squad and when I checked this morning my calendar said 30th July NOT 30th August.......... Oh less of it, you're better than that. No they don't and especially not for us, I don't expect any of them to sign. I also don't expect our CEO to go on about it like they would. And it is but it comes with it's obvious risk and not everyone will end up like Bojan you'd imagine. And that plan is better when you're keeping your better players, which we haven't done this time around. I'm comfortable with it too, the first team looks a tad iffy mind and it is but there will be one? more signing? All this on the back of most people not wanting many signings to keep the squad settled! The FM2014 comment wasn't aimed at you by the way, but genuinely I think people underestimate the complexities of the transfer market especially when you're fishing in a bigger pond so to speak. If we got Yamalenko I'd be ecstatic, but if we got Moses on loan and that was our business done I'd still be happy with the squad as it is. 8/9 new players isn't ideal but the core of the starting XI will remain the same and the rest of the squad will have to fight for a starting place so it's not wholesale changes in that respect....
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 30, 2015 12:21:49 GMT
Signing on fees are often close to the market value of the player. It's criminal and demonstrates how Bosman has been twisted around to now favour players and agents.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 12:23:42 GMT
Oh less of it, you're better than that. No they don't and especially not for us, I don't expect any of them to sign. I also don't expect our CEO to go on about it like they would. And it is but it comes with it's obvious risk and not everyone will end up like Bojan you'd imagine. And that plan is better when you're keeping your better players, which we haven't done this time around. I'm comfortable with it too, the first team looks a tad iffy mind and it is but there will be one? more signing? All this on the back of most people not wanting many signings to keep the squad settled! The FM2014 comment wasn't aimed at you by the way, but genuinely I think people underestimate the complexities of the transfer market especially when you're fishing in a bigger pond so to speak. If we got Yamalenko I'd be ecstatic, but if we got Moses on loan and that was our business done I'd still be happy with the squad as it is. 8/9 new players isn't ideal but the core of the starting XI will remain the same and the rest of the squad will have to fight for a starting place so it's not wholesale changes in that respect.... Of course they do, the whole Kono bollocks showed that "why have Sevilla only just started talking to him and got further this" erm....it's like none of us had 6 months to sound him out beforehand and were probably whispering in his ear before that trying to get it done. About half of the core, people going on like Bego won't be a miss I don't get. It won't be as big of a miss due to Butland doing well last season but he will make mistakes and it could get bumpy, we've got to stick with him when it does. I think we've gone too "squady" and not enough quality so far....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 12:28:39 GMT
The FM2014 comment wasn't aimed at you by the way, but genuinely I think people underestimate the complexities of the transfer market especially when you're fishing in a bigger pond so to speak. If we got Yamalenko I'd be ecstatic, but if we got Moses on loan and that was our business done I'd still be happy with the squad as it is. 8/9 new players isn't ideal but the core of the starting XI will remain the same and the rest of the squad will have to fight for a starting place so it's not wholesale changes in that respect.... Of course they do, the whole Kono bollocks showed that "why have Sevilla only just started talking to him and got further this" erm....it's like none of us had 6 months to sound him out beforehand and were probably whispering in his ear before that trying to get it done. About half of the core, people going on like Bego won't be a miss I don't get. It won't be as big of a miss due to Butland doing well last season but he will make mistakes and it could get bumpy, we've got to stick with him when it does. I think we've gone too "squady" and not enough quality so far.... You can sound out as many players as you like though, if a bigger club or one playing in Europe comes calling you'll get dropped like a stone anyway. For us to land a Yarmalenko or Shaqiri it will go to the wire, but if on the 30th August no one has come in to meet the valuation and wage demands of Shaqiri I wouldn't be surprised if his agent comes calling......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 12:31:14 GMT
Of course they do, the whole Kono bollocks showed that "why have Sevilla only just started talking to him and got further this" erm....it's like none of us had 6 months to sound him out beforehand and were probably whispering in his ear before that trying to get it done. About half of the core, people going on like Bego won't be a miss I don't get. It won't be as big of a miss due to Butland doing well last season but he will make mistakes and it could get bumpy, we've got to stick with him when it does. I think we've gone too "squady" and not enough quality so far.... You can sound out as many players as you like though, if a bigger club or one playing in Europe comes calling you'll get dropped like a stone anyway. For us to land a Yarmalenko or Shaqiri it will go to the wire, but if on the 30th August no one has come in to meet the valuation and wage demands of Shaqiri I wouldn't be surprised if his agent comes calling...... Oh definitely. I still don't think Shaqiri would join us permanently though, a loan however. I would have been happy with a relative no mark like Carillo.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 30, 2015 12:32:56 GMT
Of course they do, the whole Kono bollocks showed that "why have Sevilla only just started talking to him and got further this" erm....it's like none of us had 6 months to sound him out beforehand and were probably whispering in his ear before that trying to get it done. About half of the core, people going on like Bego won't be a miss I don't get. It won't be as big of a miss due to Butland doing well last season but he will make mistakes and it could get bumpy, we've got to stick with him when it does. I think we've gone too "squady" and not enough quality so far.... You can sound out as many players as you like though, if a bigger club or one playing in Europe comes calling you'll get dropped like a stone anyway. For us to land a Yarmalenko or Shaqiri it will go to the wire, but if on the 30th August no one has come in to meet the valuation and wage demands of Shaqiri I wouldn't be surprised if his agent comes calling...... If it was possible ideally the first thing we'd know about buying a player is when the ink is dry on the contract.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 12:34:56 GMT
You can sound out as many players as you like though, if a bigger club or one playing in Europe comes calling you'll get dropped like a stone anyway. For us to land a Yarmalenko or Shaqiri it will go to the wire, but if on the 30th August no one has come in to meet the valuation and wage demands of Shaqiri I wouldn't be surprised if his agent comes calling...... If it was possible ideally the first thing we'd know about buying a player is when the ink is dry on the contract. Definitely - the problem is though "next level" players always seem to come with loudmouth agents....
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 30, 2015 12:36:15 GMT
These next level players we are going in for are not going to come to Stoke on the 30th July, they will wait until nearer the end of the window and see what else comes up, it isn't that long ago the likes of Darren Bent were turning their nose up at us at least now we are getting turned down by some quality players
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Jul 30, 2015 12:37:00 GMT
Matt, we might not be able to compete with Liverpool and Spurs financially, but that doesn't mean we have to settle for 7th-the prem table isn't arranged in order of how much money you've got, but how each team uses their resources to produce results. I think we could battle it out with those clubs for a higher position, if not this season, then in the near future!
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